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No apologies: Bachmann defends HPV remarks
CBS "News" ^ | 15 Sep 2011 | Sarah Huisenga

Posted on 09/16/2011 7:51:54 AM PDT by Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus

Michele Bachmann is on the defensive about comments she made earlier this week suggesting that a vaccine against a virus linked to cervical cancer poses a danger to young girls.

"During the debate, I didn't make any statements that would indicate that I'm a doctor, I'm a scientist or that I'm making any conclusions about the drug one way or another," the GOP presidential hopeful told reporters here who questioned her about the story she told suggesting that the vaccine had caused mental retardation. Asked whether she would apologize for comments that outraged medical experts say will discourage parents from getting their children immunized, Bachmann said: "Oh, I'm not going to answer that."

During the Republican debate Bachmann attacked her rival Rick Perry for mandating vaccinations against the human papillomavirus vaccine (HPV) for Texas school girls - a decision that the Texas legislature later overruled.

"To have innocent little 12-year-old girls be forced to have a government injection through an executive order is just flat out wrong," she said during the debate.

After the debate, Bachmann took her critique a step further, describing in several television interviews how a tearful mother had approached her after the debate saying that her daughter "suffered mental retardation" as a result of the vaccine.

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TOPICS: News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: antiscience; antivax; bachmann; bachmann4romney; bachmannisaliar; captaingardasil; gardasil; hpv; perry; perrycare; rinorick; scaremonger
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Stick a fork in her, she's done.

While she's right on the point about vaccination should be voluntary, the fact remains that her mouth seems to be working while her brain isn't - and that's been increasing the past few weeks (and we can't blame Ed Rollins for this one, since it was an off-the-cuff remark).

Even putting aside the spurious accusations against vaccination, how credible can Bachmann be when she appears determined to confuse autism with mental retardation - which are actually two very different things?

1 posted on 09/16/2011 7:51:57 AM PDT by Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus
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To: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus

You really seem fixated with her. How much is Perry paying you to post these threads.


2 posted on 09/16/2011 7:53:29 AM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus

She needs to close her mouth or she will lose her House seat next year.


3 posted on 09/16/2011 7:54:01 AM PDT by Perdogg (0bama got 0sama?? Really, was 0sama on the golf course?)
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To: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus
I have a question... since I don't have children, I don't know the answer to this... Don't they require that your children have a whole assortment of vaccinations anyway? Not that I agree with that, but how is this vaccine any different from the whole cocktail of vaccines your four-year-old is required to have before starting public school?

Just tell kids a shot is required before engaging in sex. Those legs will clamp shut faster than anything else you could tell them.

4 posted on 09/16/2011 7:54:51 AM PDT by ponygirl (People are calling our President the Fresh Prince of Bill Ayers; that’s not allowed is it?)
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To: driftdiver
How much is Perry paying you to post these threads.

$500 a post. I'd better get crackin', daddy needs a new bass boat!

5 posted on 09/16/2011 7:55:52 AM PDT by Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus ("A gentleman considers what is just; a small man considers what is expedient.")
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To: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus

“During the debate, I didn’t make any statements that would indicate that I’m a doctor, I’m a scientist or that I’m making any conclusions about the drug one way or another,”

How Clintonesque of Michelle! No, Michelle you didn’t make any conclusions about the drug. It was AFTER the debate in an interview that you said a woman approached you crying saying the HPV vaccine (which prevents 70% of cervical cancer) caused her daughter mental retardation with no scientific evidence whatsoever to back the claim!


6 posted on 09/16/2011 7:56:04 AM PDT by KansasGirl
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To: driftdiver

She’s got diarrhea of the mouth. It’s embarassing. Everyone can see that.


7 posted on 09/16/2011 7:56:15 AM PDT by DRey (Perry/Rubio 2012)
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To: driftdiver

Frankly I actually like to see that at least one candidate in the race has the moral courage to stand by what she says.

If anything, the so called outrage is just a means of distracting from St Rick’s cronyism.


8 posted on 09/16/2011 7:57:07 AM PDT by cripplecreek (A vote for Amnesty is a vote for a Permenant Democrat majority. ..Choose well.)
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To: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus

Any chance I can get in on that $$? I’ll do it for $50/post.


9 posted on 09/16/2011 7:57:44 AM PDT by DRey (Perry/Rubio 2012)
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To: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus

If she had only stuck to the forced vaccination angle, it wouldn’t have been quite as pathetic. The mental retardation link has been pretty thoroughly debunked by genetic research. Her biggest problem though was focusing on that issue instead of important “save us from Obama” issues.


10 posted on 09/16/2011 7:57:48 AM PDT by Codeflier (Bush, Clinton, Bush, Obama - 4 democrat presidents in a row and counting...)
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To: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus
You should go look up http://www.drugs.com/clinical_trials/studies-gardasil-merck-s-cervical-cancer-vaccine-hpv-16-vaccine-component-gardasil-presented-7192.html ~ kind of interesting if you read the whole thing (had 24,000+ test subjects or controls).

Remembering that Merck did these studies during the same period when their internal quality control systems were in sort of FREE FALL and unable to keep fraudulent data OUT of their formal reports, I am sure you are interested in them.

I'm sure you've forgotten it but they'd hired a guy (and his peeps) to keep track of and evaluate Merck anesthetics and sedatives. He made up the data.

11 posted on 09/16/2011 7:57:48 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus
Perry admits that his handling of the original issue wasn't everything it should have been.
I think that Bachmann has mishandled this issue and has hurt herself.

But I have to say I like a politician who will not apologize for what they feel just because someone takes offense or because their original statement didn't play well in the media. Say what you mean. Mean what you say. Don't apologize.

This issue may end up sinking Bachmann, but I respect her and I would still vote for her.(I'd probably vote for Perry as well.)

12 posted on 09/16/2011 7:58:35 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy (The USSR spent itself into bankruptcy and collapsed -- and aren't we on the same path now?)
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To: ponygirl
I have a question... since I don't have children, I don't know the answer to this... Don't they require that your children have a whole assortment of vaccinations anyway? Not that I agree with that, but how is this vaccine any different from the whole cocktail of vaccines your four-year-old is required to have before starting public school?

I think that if you're going to have your kids in public schools, then the standard set of shots (MMR, tetanus, polio, etc.) are required, because of the communicability of those diseases. I had to get them when I was in school. Not that I think children should be forced to, but at least its understandable, because of how one kid could spread measles, etc. to all the others, before they even knew they had it.

The HPV is not communicable other than by having sex, and as such, doesn't seem to present as much of an acute health risk, which makes it even less justifiable for forcible vaccination in my mind.

13 posted on 09/16/2011 7:59:57 AM PDT by Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus ("A gentleman considers what is just; a small man considers what is expedient.")
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To: Codeflier
And a link to that 'retardation link" where any connection between Gardasil and retardiation is thoroughly debunked?

Hope you have that one.

14 posted on 09/16/2011 8:00:07 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: DRey

“She’s got diarrhea of the mouth. It’s embarassing. Everyone can see that.”

Yes you’re embarrassing. What do you expect her to do, when someone asks her a question perhaps she should just say “DRey thinks I shouldn’t say anything”.


15 posted on 09/16/2011 8:00:39 AM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: ponygirl
Don't they require that your children have a whole assortment of vaccinations anyway?

Yes, including for Hepatitis B, a blood or body fluid born virus not spread through causal contact, commonly spread through sex.

16 posted on 09/16/2011 8:00:55 AM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: cripplecreek

She’s checked in to the Waffle House.


17 posted on 09/16/2011 8:01:02 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks (I want a Triple A president for our Triple A country)
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To: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus

I wonder only this, if there was an Attackwatch.com since say, 2007, including all of the attacks on Palin and other non-Obama supporters the list would be atrocously long, nasty and true. The thuggery from the “other side” must end as they paint a picture of horrid TEA party racists( and so much more)then they claim some minority status BS and play the victim. Michelle Bachman is only part and partial to have as Gingrich says, the republican ( and all other) candidates fight against each other instead of watching demoncrats and left winger socialist pukes fuel the fires on stories like this.


18 posted on 09/16/2011 8:01:16 AM PDT by Karliner ("If we were real domestic terrorists, shoot, Obama would want to pal around with us, wouldn't he?")
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To: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus
> How much is Perry paying you to post these threads.

$500 a post. I'd better get crackin', daddy needs a new bass boat!

Can I get in on that action? Pharmacy school is expensive.

19 posted on 09/16/2011 8:01:55 AM PDT by Slings and Arrows (You can't have Ingsoc without an Emmanuel Goldstein.)
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To: DRey

Well, Rush says she jumped the shark...put a folk in her she’s done.


21 posted on 09/16/2011 8:02:55 AM PDT by shield (Rev 2:9 Woe unto those who say they are Judahites and are not, but are of the syna GOG ue of Satan.)
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To: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus

This is illustrative of a principle I’ve always tried to follow when considering candidates for political offices. Anyone can “say the right things.” Anyone can even say the right things and have a track record of doing the right things. But ultimately, a person put into political office has to be able to govern, and do it both wisely, effectively and with great discretion. That’s a consideration that has to be thrown into the mix when choosing a candidate to support.


22 posted on 09/16/2011 8:03:05 AM PDT by Mr Ramsbotham (Laws against sodomy are honored in the breech.)
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To: ClearCase_guy

I like her and respect her too. I also will vote for anyone who gets the nomination, except for Ron Paul, but I don’t think that will be an issue.

I also tend to think she hurt herself. She was doing a lot better when she was attacking Obama as opposed to attacking the other GOP candidates.

Much as I hate to say it, it does seem like she talks fist and thinks second from time to time.

Nonetheless, if she gets the nod, she gets my vote.


23 posted on 09/16/2011 8:03:12 AM PDT by chris37 (representative)
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To: DRey

What facts are those?

“perhaps she should get her facts straight or else close that anus she calls a mouth.”

You could lead by example.


24 posted on 09/16/2011 8:03:19 AM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: muawiyah

This all is fine, but doesn’t demonstrate a link between Gardasil and mental retardation (or autism, either, for that matter).


25 posted on 09/16/2011 8:03:19 AM PDT by Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus ("A gentleman considers what is just; a small man considers what is expedient.")
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To: ponygirl
A Libertarian Doctor called into a talkshow regarding an incident where kids who refused to get vaccinated were not permitted to go to school. The whole deal with vaccinations is that the effectiveness of vaccination is dependent on other people getting shots.

The only reason people complain about the HPV vaccine is that people consider this a state licence to fornicate. This, of course, is ridiculous. The State is trying to headoff a wave of healthcare cost of treating cases of cancer in populations who cannot afford cancer treatment.

It is cheaper to pay $35 per vaccine than it is to pay hundred of thousands of dollars in healthcare cost per person. If you were the State of Texas what would you bet on - $35 per person or $500,000 per person?
26 posted on 09/16/2011 8:03:45 AM PDT by Perdogg (0bama got 0sama?? Really, was 0sama on the golf course?)
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To: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus

She does great in the debates and swings the focus back to her campaign only to head out to crazy town and say Gardalsil causes Retardation. This is not going to do. Citing no name victims on totally bogus claims like this is something the Leftists do. She needs to tighten up her message and stop the baseless claims if she thinks that she is going up against the Rat machine.


27 posted on 09/16/2011 8:03:52 AM PDT by Lazlo in PA (Now living in a newly minted Red State.)
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To: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus
Rick Santorum got it right.

I think we need to hear what Governor Perry’s saying. He’s saying that his policy was right. He believes that what he did was right. He thinks he went about it the wrong way.

I believe your policy is wrong. Why — ladies and gentlemen, why do we inoculate people with vaccines in public schools? Because we’re afraid of those diseases being communicable between people at school. And therefore, to protect the rest of the people at school, we have vaccinations to protect those children.

Unless Texas has a very progressive way of communicating diseases in their school by way of their curriculum, then there is no government purpose served for having little girls inoculated at the force and compulsion of the government. This is big government run amok. It is bad policy, and it should not have been done

28 posted on 09/16/2011 8:03:52 AM PDT by McGruff (Vetting - The process of examination and evaluation of a candidate's record.)
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To: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus
Doubling down on stupid.

A truly ‘not ready for prime time’ player.

What an embarrassment.

29 posted on 09/16/2011 8:04:20 AM PDT by allmendream (Tea Party did not send the GOP to D.C. to negotiate the terms of our surrender to socialism.)
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To: Perdogg

People who live in her district are re-thinking their support for her.


30 posted on 09/16/2011 8:04:20 AM PDT by shield (Rev 2:9 Woe unto those who say they are Judahites and are not, but are of the syna GOG ue of Satan.)
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To: driftdiver

lol. You are so predictable.


31 posted on 09/16/2011 8:04:44 AM PDT by DRey (Perry/Rubio 2012)
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To: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus

Stick a fork in her, she’s done.
____________________________________________________________She was trying to take-out Rick Perry because he has cut into her poll numbers drastically. She came across a little “witchy” in the Debate and her comments after the Debate demonstrate desperation on her part. BTW, this is not the first time she’s put her foot in her mouth.


32 posted on 09/16/2011 8:06:19 AM PDT by no dems (No matter who it might be, when I find out a person is a Democrat, I lose respect for them.)
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To: ClearCase_guy

I’m with you.

She didn’t cave to the pressure to be PC.

That’s a good thing. She’s got more .... um... backbone than many other politicians.


33 posted on 09/16/2011 8:06:35 AM PDT by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore, & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus

She must be working for Romney.


34 posted on 09/16/2011 8:06:59 AM PDT by TheThirdRuffian (Nothing to see here. Move along.)
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To: Slings and Arrows
Can I get in on that action? Pharmacy school is expensive.

You bet! There's plenty of Merck money to go around!

35 posted on 09/16/2011 8:07:46 AM PDT by Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus ("A gentleman considers what is just; a small man considers what is expedient.")
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To: DRey

As are you with your radical liberal behavior.

Why get down in the gutter like them and insult conservative candidates? Why do people like you relish attacking conservatives so much? It doesn’t help the conservative movement. Its petty and immature.

The communists don’t need to beat the conservative movement to win. All they have to do is throw a few comments out and people like you will happily tear conservative candidates to shreds.


36 posted on 09/16/2011 8:08:12 AM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: cripplecreek
Frankly I actually like to see that at least one candidate in the race has the moral courage to stand by what she says.

Ron Paul stands by his statements that the US is the reason for 911. Are you excited by his standing on principal even though it is a wildly incorrect and dangerous theory?

37 posted on 09/16/2011 8:09:00 AM PDT by Lazlo in PA (Now living in a newly minted Red State.)
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To: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus

You mean perry didn’t get all the Merck money?


38 posted on 09/16/2011 8:09:16 AM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus

Why is she not allowed to speak of RISK?

PerryCARE I proposed the use of children as Mandated
Lab rats for a few campaign dollars (direct and indirect).

Were the children informed of the risk?


39 posted on 09/16/2011 8:09:18 AM PDT by Diogenesis ("Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. " Pres. Ronald Reagan)
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To: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus
It doesen't? Have you seen the followup data on the phenomenon of test subjects but not controls getting sudden intense headaches?

Don't you have the slightest curiosity what thats about? Even Merck prefaces their report by stating that certain highly sensitive people shouldn't receive the vaccine.

So, what happened to those highly sensitive people ~ to the degree Merck was willing to abandon them to their fate ~ undoubtedly horrid if they engage in sex without ever having had the vaccine?

Think about what Merck's study managers saw and why they would be willing to give up the protective advantage? Just how much cerebral blowout happened?

Frankly, given Merck's history with anesthesia I think we need to know first!

40 posted on 09/16/2011 8:09:29 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Perdogg
She needs to close her mouth or she will lose her House seat next year.

I was under the impression that redistricting was already going to take care of that. She has nothing to lose, which is probably why she started on this ill-advised adventure in the first place.

41 posted on 09/16/2011 8:09:54 AM PDT by kevkrom (This space for rent.)
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To: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus

Bachmann digging in.

Many times one has to stop digging. Bachmann should consider doing so, as this may not be ‘the issue’ she wants to hang her president run on.

Advice: Pick your battles. This is NOT one that will boost you. Real doctors have already proclaimed the retardation comment as wrong.


42 posted on 09/16/2011 8:10:20 AM PDT by TomGuy
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To: ponygirl
-- ... but how is this vaccine any different from the whole cocktail of vaccines your four-year-old is required to have before starting public school? --

One big difference is the mortality rate. Another, for some but not all of the mandated vaccines, is communicability.

The mortality rate for influenza is greater than for HPV. If 10,000 people get flu, and 10,000 people get HPV, more will die from flu and complications than from HPV.

Measles, diptheria, whooping cough are highly contagious, and have higher mortality rates than influenza.

43 posted on 09/16/2011 8:10:49 AM PDT by Cboldt
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To: driftdiver

Frankly, driftwood, we need a higher caliber conservative than someone like Michelle O’Bachmann that goes on hysterical, almost delusional rants against fellow conservatives, blathering info she got from yet another hysterical groupie (or else she just made it up). She’s a national figure as a candidate. She needs to step up her game and act like one. Pitiful.


44 posted on 09/16/2011 8:12:02 AM PDT by DRey (Perry/Rubio 2012)
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To: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus
I think that if you're going to have your kids in public schools, then the standard set of shots (MMR, tetanus, polio, etc.) are required, because of the communicability of those diseases.

Thank you, that makes perfect sense.

I have a friend-of-a-friend whose daughter is severely disabled with autism and he blames the immunizations, I guess because she was fine up until the point of being vaccinated. Not sure how I feel about that, as I've heard different arguments there. I also have a family member whose little boy was diagnosed with "autism spectrum disorder" at 18 months and she immediately put him on a whole protocol of vitamins and supplements and he is now testing completely normal. So if I did have kids, this kind of vaccine stuff would really freak me out. I can understand the measles, polio, etc... but the other stuff I think I would reconsider. I wouldn't like them telling me it was mandatory.

45 posted on 09/16/2011 8:12:31 AM PDT by ponygirl (People are calling our President the Fresh Prince of Bill Ayers; that’s not allowed is it?)
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To: driftdiver
You mean perry didn’t get all the Merck money?

Well, how exactly do you think I bought my new Ferrari?

46 posted on 09/16/2011 8:13:07 AM PDT by Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus ("A gentleman considers what is just; a small man considers what is expedient.")
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To: ponygirl
Just tell kids a shot is required before engaging in sex. Those legs will clamp shut faster than anything else you could tell them.
Did you forget to put the Sarcasmn Tag (/s) on this post. Surely you're not serious. AIDS didn't stop people from having sex so fear of a needle certainly will not curtail teen promiscuity.
47 posted on 09/16/2011 8:13:11 AM PDT by no dems (No matter who it might be, when I find out a person is a Democrat, I lose respect for them.)
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To: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus
$500 a post. I'd better get crackin', daddy needs a new bass boat!

$500? I'd have held out for $550, at least. Well, $525 anyway.
48 posted on 09/16/2011 8:13:26 AM PDT by TomGuy
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To: Lazlo in PA

Don’t care what Ron Paul says.

Frankly I have yet to see a Perry supporter with the least moral courage to face the real issue here which is his cronyism.


49 posted on 09/16/2011 8:15:00 AM PDT by cripplecreek (A vote for Amnesty is a vote for a Permenant Democrat majority. ..Choose well.)
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To: Cboldt

Over 4,000 people die per year to cervical cancer.

How many people die each year in the US due to flu?


50 posted on 09/16/2011 8:15:00 AM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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