Posted on 09/16/2011 4:58:32 PM PDT by TigerLikesRooster
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You can thank G. W Bush and the cowardly Navy crew that landed the Orion sigint bird in China (April 2001) rather that pushing it to the PI after the bump with the Chinese jet. They gave them everything.
Sssshhhh. DON’T confuse us with FACTS. And let the “Bushbots” sleep...they have been asleep for nearly four years now on FR.... /sarc
You mean they took a vote? I always thought the Pilot was in charge. Foolish me.
For the life of me, I can’t figure out why that plane wasn’t ditched and destroyed. Assuming there was a good reason to land it intact, just letting the Chinese and everyone else have access to it is beyond me. I guess there are self destruct devices on board and since planes burn fairly well, the crew should have torched it upon landing.
Reagan would have sent a carrier battle group and enough Marines to make sure that plane was left alone or bombed the area to prevent it from falling into Chinese hands.
We are going to regret going to the “wireless” military. We should thank N Korea for the warning.
We are going to regret going to the “wireless” military. We should thank N Korea for the warning.
That's assuming that we're telling THEM the truth...
Well, it seems to me that a plane with jammed GPS, could just “inadvertently” cross over the NK border, and drop some laser guided ordinance on some unsuspecting Norks, just because he wasn’t really sure where he was or where targets were.
MI Ping
“You mean they took a vote? I always thought the Pilot was in charge. Foolish me.”
Having been part of a military unit you bet for ass the crew influences the decision.
I don’t think your foolish, just unaware.
Having spent 10 years in the military, only a worthless leader takes a vote.
As for the influence of the crew, the captain of that plane still had the final decision. Not having been on that plane, I don’t know what influenced the pilot in his decision to land were he did, but the decision was his and his only.
To call the crew cowardly is to blame the entire crew for the decision of the captain of that aircraft. I don’t know why he made the decision he did, he might have been influenced by his concern for the safety his “cowardly” crew.
“To call the crew cowardly is to blame the entire crew for the decision of the captain of that aircraft. I dont know why he made the decision he did, he might have been influenced by his concern for the safety his cowardly crew.”
Pick your coward I don’t care. How many WW2 Bomber pilots flew much farther under worse conditions. That highly sensitive P3 Orion and what it carried was worth the risk it would take to keep it out of enemy hands and make the push for other options.
It begs the question, was it a gift to the Chinese?
My original disagreement was that you were calling the entire crew cowardly. My counter argument was that it was the pilots decision. You seemed to have strayed from that argument?
Not really. As to the decision making process inside the plane your points are in fact correct. My points that VOC often matters I believe is also valid. Neither of us know the decision making process going on “outside” the plane therefore my “begs the question” comment.
The USA is perceived as weak.
Having been part of a military unit
To quote you.
What military "unit" did you serve in?
And with the current asshat in charge, they are right.
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