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France herds Muslim faithful off streets after prayer ban
Japan Today ^ | 09/17/11

Posted on 09/16/2011 7:50:01 PM PDT by TigerLikesRooster

France herds Muslim faithful off streets after prayer ban

World Sep. 17, 2011 - 07:15AM JST ( 13 )

PARIS —

A ban on praying in French streets came into effect on Friday, with thousands of the nation’s Muslim faithful being moved to temporary alternative spaces for their day of prayer.

From Paris to Marseille, Friday’s midday prayers will be led from disused barracks or other temporary buildings, after the question of Islam’s visibility became a political issue under right-wing President Nicolas Sarkozy.

France, home to Europe’s largest Muslim population, this year banned the face-covering burqa and earlier this week Interior Minister Claude Gueant warned that “from September 16 there will be no more prayers in the street.”

“If anyone happens to be recalcitrant we will put an end to it,” Gueant said, suggesting police could be brought in.

“Prayers in the street are unacceptable, a direct attack on the principle of secularism,” Gueant told AFP last month, citing the government’s defense of the republic’s secular values as reason for the new policies.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Extended News; Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: france; franceprayerban; islam; mohammedan; mohammedans; moslem; moslems; prayerban
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1 posted on 09/16/2011 7:50:12 PM PDT by TigerLikesRooster
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To: TigerLikesRooster; Cincinna; Travis McGee; AmericanInTokyo

P!


2 posted on 09/16/2011 7:51:04 PM PDT by TigerLikesRooster (The way to crush the bourgeois is to grind them between the millstones of taxation and inflation)
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To: TigerLikesRooster

Pretty sad when France has more balls and more guts than America.


3 posted on 09/16/2011 7:53:35 PM PDT by sonic109 (no compromise with Marxist)
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To: TigerLikesRooster

Good for France but oh man this is gonna get ugly. But it needs to come to a head. If the Europeans don’t stand up for their respective cultures they won’t have any culture but that of the Muslims.


4 posted on 09/16/2011 7:53:59 PM PDT by Graneros (The most fundamental purpose of government is defense, not empire. – Joseph Sobran)
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To: TigerLikesRooster

Would not wish to own a car in France after this. They will be burning in the streets.


5 posted on 09/16/2011 7:54:08 PM PDT by doc1019 (You do not need a parachute to skydive. You only need a parachute to skydive twice.)
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To: TigerLikesRooster

GOOD FOR THEM.
I’ve been to France a few times and they understand the problems from North Africa.
Shame this clown and his puppets do not.


6 posted on 09/16/2011 7:55:46 PM PDT by manc (Hannity admitted he is socially liberal, another phony conservative,1man +1 woman=marriage)
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To: TigerLikesRooster

And so it begins. muzzies are so stupid. Being played for the saps and pathetic enemy they are. A useful tool.


7 posted on 09/16/2011 7:56:44 PM PDT by TwoSwords (Has anyone seen my suspension of disbelief pills?)
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To: sonic109

... it’s fleeting ...


8 posted on 09/16/2011 7:57:26 PM PDT by BunnySlippers
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To: sonic109

Yep.


9 posted on 09/16/2011 8:08:18 PM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: sonic109
Pretty sad when France has more balls and more guts than America.

Dittos to what you said.

The only people they run off the streets in this country are Christians. Muzzies? No problemo.

10 posted on 09/16/2011 8:08:46 PM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (Hey Mexico! Your poverty isn't America's problem.)
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To: TigerLikesRooster
a direct attack on the principle of secularism

They are screwed to begin with.

11 posted on 09/16/2011 8:11:44 PM PDT by LowOiL ("Abomination" sure sounds like "ObamaNation" to me.)
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To: TigerLikesRooster; All

This has just begun. All across the Western world. Deporting muzzies will become a political necessity. Mark my words.


12 posted on 09/16/2011 8:14:56 PM PDT by TwoSwords (Has anyone seen my suspension of disbelief pills?)
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To: FlingWingFlyer

Seems that way


13 posted on 09/16/2011 8:15:31 PM PDT by sonic109 (no compromise with Marxist)
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To: TigerLikesRooster
the government’s defense of the republic’s secular values

I find the rationale chilling, since it would apply equally to Christianity and evokes principles behind the Reign of Terror.

The best solution is to distinguish between a religion and a cult, but no civil society has done that.

14 posted on 09/16/2011 8:20:42 PM PDT by Kennard
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To: Graneros

Secularism as a philosophical principle is a pretty weak reed upon which to lean when facing a demonically energized group. An unabashedly Christian society would fare better.


15 posted on 09/16/2011 8:23:17 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (There's gonna be a Redneck Revolution! (See my freep page) [rednecks come in many colors])
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To: TigerLikesRooster

I’ll believe it when I see it, and that should be not thousands, but tens of thousands.


16 posted on 09/16/2011 8:27:17 PM PDT by expat1000
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To: Kennard

To be fair, if Muslims mobbed public streets in the USA to carry on their daily prayers in huge numbers, they would be told to move along, as would practitioners of other faiths in an analogous situation. This isn’t talking about onesy-twosy impromptu prayers, or even protest prayers such as at an abortion facility. This is talking about streets packed with 4000 Moose at a time, five times a day. It would be an obstruction to traffic.


17 posted on 09/16/2011 8:32:22 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (There's gonna be a Redneck Revolution! (See my freep page) [rednecks come in many colors])
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To: TwoSwords

At this time, Islam is protected because liberals hold global power. That time is about over thanks to socialism collapsing on itself. Soon, the center and right will hold the political marbles on a global basis and so Islam will have no other choice than going Jihadi on an equally broad scale.

Non Jihadi Muslims will finally be forced to either get with the program or get back to the sandbox because there will be no coexsistance with Islam.

Notice how quickly, once the ‘ball’ got rolling, how fast Obama support is tanking from the left? Same will happen with the Muzzies. Once a strong enough person stands up and leads fearlessly, many on the right/center will quickly rally to the cause. And like Obama support, support for islam will vanish VERY rapidly.

The left is nothing but a small camp with a loud voice. Take that voice and the power it wields goes away with it.


18 posted on 09/16/2011 8:32:55 PM PDT by Norm Lenhart
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To: TigerLikesRooster
“Prayers in the street are unacceptable, a direct attack on the principle of secularism,”

Wait, secularism has principles?

Islam and Secularism -- may they destroy each other.
19 posted on 09/16/2011 8:41:15 PM PDT by Antoninus (Take the pledge: I will not vote for Mitt Romney under any circumstances. EVER.)
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To: TigerLikesRooster

Did Bill Handel do a Muzzy stampede traffic report there like he did for the Hajj?

“On January 12, 2006, Handel joked that pilgrims should hire traffic reporters to reduce the possibility of deadly incidents during the Hajj. The Council on American-Islamic Relations demanded an apology. Handel offered to apologize on the condition that CAIR would denounce terrorism, agree that Israel is a sovereign country, and claim it does not have ties with terrorists. CAIR did not take him up on his offer. Handel refused to apologize to CAIR, but did apologize to the actual victims of the Hajj stampede.”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Handel


20 posted on 09/16/2011 8:44:39 PM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine!)
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To: All

If you haven’t seen “The Third Jihad” yet you should stop what you’re doing and watch it - now.

http://www.thethirdjihad.com/10-year-911/


21 posted on 09/16/2011 8:54:06 PM PDT by rockrr (Everything is different now...)
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To: Norm Lenhart

I like your posts. However, I don’t consider that they’ve been given immigration into Western countries without a purpose. I don’t buy the maxim that we’ll democratize them. Anyone could see this wasn’t possible. They were brought in as a ruse, a threat. They’ll serve a purpose, and have, and then be removed. They are just a stupid pawn in the Great Game. Nothing more.


22 posted on 09/16/2011 8:55:30 PM PDT by TwoSwords (Has anyone seen my suspension of disbelief pills?)
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To: TwoSwords

I agree that they are a tool and nothing more, no question. The problem is that the left did so thinking they could easily ‘solve’ that issue as needed. What they really accomplished is unleashing human bombs, figuratively and literally in the population and they can’t control what will happen.

When we begin to solve the problem, they will still try using them as the intended propaganda ‘target of Islamophobic bigots’, which IMO is the intent in bring them in to begin with. What they will get in return is dead Americans at Muslim hands and war on the homefront for their trouble.

They will both lose. But the cost will be horrific.

But the problems will be solved regardless. Problems that should never have been.


23 posted on 09/16/2011 9:11:59 PM PDT by Norm Lenhart
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To: TigerLikesRooster
'Herds'

An excellent choice of verb !

(to be followed by 'fumigates' ?!)

24 posted on 09/16/2011 9:15:50 PM PDT by tomkat
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To: HiTech RedNeck

Google Images “Muslims praying in street New York City”


25 posted on 09/16/2011 9:16:07 PM PDT by supremedoctrine
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To: TwoSwords
How dreadful are the curses which Mohammedanism lays on its votaries!
Besides the fanatical frenzy, which is as dangerous in a man as hydrophobia in a dog, there is this fearful fatalistic apathy.
Improvident habits, slovenly systems of agriculture, sluggish methods of commerce, and insecurity of property exist wherever the followers of the Prophet rule or live.
A degraded sensualism deprives this life of its grace and refinement; the next of its dignity and sanctity.
The fact that in Mohammedan law every woman must belong to some man as his absolute property - either as a child, a wife, or a concubine - must delay the final extinction of slavery until the faith of Islam has ceased to be a great power among men

Winston Churchill   1899

26 posted on 09/16/2011 9:20:42 PM PDT by tomkat
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To: Norm Lenhart

I don’t believe the “left” brought them in. They were brought in to sow confusion at a minimum cost. 9-11 was their greatest accomplishment. What have they really done since then. Random, small accomplishments. They aren’t a real threat. Just a real justification for a overwatch on the rest of us. Also, a unifying force against a boogeyman.


27 posted on 09/16/2011 9:30:18 PM PDT by TwoSwords (Has anyone seen my suspension of disbelief pills?)
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To: tomkat
"(to be followed by 'fumigates' ?!)"

Odd you should use the term "fumigate." Zyclon B was originally a convenient way to exterminate insects and other pests in a sealed house. It was a blue crystalline powder, rather like pea gravel, in a sealed canister.

These would be dumped onto a rubber sheet in the room, and would sublimate into a bluish vapor, with the speed a function of the temperature of the room. The warmer the air, the faster. It was heavier than air, so when used, the people would tend to create a pyramid in one corner of the room, with the strongest at the peak.

Occasionally, there would be a survivor at the bottom of the pile, that would be thrown into the ovens with the rest.

Raises a point. If you read history, what facts do you edit out?

Something that should be considered when there is a Final Solution of the Islamic Problem.

It is also a bit of information that the gang bangers might consider, the next time they have a flash mob wilding...

28 posted on 09/16/2011 9:40:23 PM PDT by jonascord (Politicians should be pelted with human manure, weekly, to remind them of their worth to society.)
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To: TigerLikesRooster; afraidfortherepublic; mojo114; seenenuf; LucyT; Miss Didi; Think free or die; ...

Chapeau! TigerLikesRooster

One small step for man ...

Don't they have laws on the books about disturbing the peace, blocking traffic, etc?



29 posted on 09/16/2011 9:45:13 PM PDT by Cincinna ( *** NOBAMA 2012 ***)
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To: tomkat

The only reason the muzzie countries are a power is oil and their claims to Israel, the latter making them a cause celebre. They are militarily incompetent. They buy all their weaponry from other countries. They fell behind long ago and w/o oil would be Africa, at best.
They are being used, but just don’t know it. They are only a threat in how our leaders make them. They’ve created the Patriot Act. It was never about muzzies. It’s a long-term action on everyone else. They’ve served their purpose as the neighborhood dog whom no one likes.


30 posted on 09/16/2011 9:47:45 PM PDT by TwoSwords (Has anyone seen my suspension of disbelief pills?)
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To: TwoSwords

Oops...I should have been more specific.

IMO FWIW ETC...When I say ‘left’ I’m more referring to the globalist left than the Dems (though I believe the Dems ‘are’ largely responsible). Here’s why.

The Globalist Left needed a scapegoat that they can get behind and one they could fully exploit to destroy American culture, belief systems and identity from within.

Islam/Muslims fit the bill because the Secular nature of the G/Left allowed them to pit Islam against their biggest obstacle - Christianity. Witness just as a small example how Islamic issues are taught in school while Christian issues have become verboten...things like that - incremental and everpresent.

Also, go back to Desert Storm. I will forever believe that ‘Refugee’ and ‘persecuted’ Muslims imported into America were the ‘bargaining chip’ that Bush 1 had to accept in order to get the ‘coalition’ support he wanted. Same for Bush 2. Clinton was no stranger to bringing them in in quantity either.

So it’s been going on for some time (at the ‘mass’ level) and that ‘mass’ keeps increasing. Also, the UK left now admits doing exactly that - importing Muzzies to alter social/political structure.

For the damage they can inflict, no, not in the ‘wholesale’ sense I agree, but a thousand determined and spread out jihadis will devastate our morale and lives once they cut loose, short term...until we strike back and end them. Just the threat today causes people to shut their businesses down and turn their worlds upside down. When a couple schools get bombed or malls machine-gunned, it will have a tremendous effect.

But you are very correct in the boogeyman aspect as well for the reasons I just mentioned and others, such as the TSA crap etc. No argument there at all.


31 posted on 09/16/2011 9:53:01 PM PDT by Norm Lenhart
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To: Cincinna; supremedoctrine
Warning to Muslims who believe that the public space can be invaded without consequences. Ligue de Défense Française (LDF) ^ | November 20, 2010

Posted on Monday, 22 November 2010 8:59:01 AM by La Lydia

SOURCE

comment #13 MUSLIMS PRAY IN THE STREET IN NEW YOK CITY:

MORE IMAGES on this FR thread.

32 posted on 09/16/2011 10:07:46 PM PDT by Fred Nerks (fair dinkum!)
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To: Norm Lenhart

Your post was spot on to what I think. But I think the real fight is Catholic/Protestant. It is a fight that hasn’t been resolved. It may be more bloodier than anything we’ve ever seen.


33 posted on 09/16/2011 10:18:14 PM PDT by TwoSwords (Has anyone seen my suspension of disbelief pills?)
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To: Fred Nerks

Unfortunately few realize these public displays have nothing to do with praying.....it’s a mass ‘political statement’ that “we” are here and in numbers. It’s stealth jihad at it’s finest...masked as a religion and practice of.


34 posted on 09/16/2011 10:23:40 PM PDT by caww
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To: TigerLikesRooster

"Round up the usual suspects".

35 posted on 09/16/2011 10:27:29 PM PDT by Wiggins
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To: Fred Nerks

Random thought:

Can’t wait until a like number of Christian French do the same (copy the Muslim ‘street prayers’). Then if they aren’t treated equally to the Muslims, take France to “World Court”, demand ‘equality’ on human rights grounds and watch the fur fly ;) I’d love to see the EDL do the same in the UK and I REALLY want to see it happen here.

Alinsky - Hold them to their own impossible standards - works for us too. And scream bloody murder about it.

Until non muslims push back using the same ‘tricks’ the muslims/Left use, nothing will happen until the grand jihad begins. But if we force them off their timetable by forcing the issue in the courts and the VOTING BOOTH before they are ready, we ‘might’ avoid the mess to come. As long as it effects ‘certain areas’ then only ‘certain areas’ will complain. But if it occurs on a broad scale, the pols and courts either HAVE to deal with it or face an electorate that will vote them out.

A dream perhaps, but a nice one.


36 posted on 09/16/2011 10:42:26 PM PDT by Norm Lenhart
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To: Kennard
>"The best solution is to distinguish between a religion and a cult, but no civil society has done that. "

Then why don't we allow the Jivaro to practice their "religion"?

It's just as valid to them as ours is to us, and they have so much in common with the mudSlimes.

37 posted on 09/17/2011 1:40:35 AM PDT by rawcatslyentist (It is necessary that a person be born of a father who is a citizen; ~Vattel's Law of Nations)
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To: TwoSwords

About your Nom de Guerre, would that be Shiaa and Sunni?


38 posted on 09/17/2011 1:48:52 AM PDT by rawcatslyentist (It is necessary that a person be born of a father who is a citizen; ~Vattel's Law of Nations)
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To: TigerLikesRooster

Good for France. They have the mosques.


39 posted on 09/17/2011 2:55:54 AM PDT by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
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To: TwoSwords

I thought, with the ecumenical movement with the talks that have been going on for the past 40-50 years that have resolved the issues between Catholics and Protestants.


40 posted on 09/17/2011 3:01:07 AM PDT by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
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To: TigerLikesRooster

A good idea!


41 posted on 09/17/2011 3:21:14 AM PDT by AdmSmith (GCTGATATGTCTATGATTACTCAT)
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To: TwoSwords
"This has just begun. All across the Western world. Deporting muzzies will become a political necessity. Mark my words. "

I sure hope so. These people don't belong in a civilized world.

They need to go somewhere for a few thousand years and evolve some more.

42 posted on 09/17/2011 6:43:10 AM PDT by blam
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To: Norm Lenhart; TwoSwords

You are both exactly right, and I’ve been saying those same things on this forum since soon after 9-11.
The respective fates or destinies of BOTH the troublesome Islamic ‘presence’ AND the cult of illegal immigration and their attendant political ‘uses’ have been heavily promoted by the Left and comprise two linchpins for social and economic chaos which are being exploited in tandem, especially by the Left, but also recessively and passively by the Moderates on “the Right”. But both of these “issues” are only ‘valid’ as long as the Obama Administration is ‘valid’. The days of Obama’s validity are fading fast, and more and more can read the expiration date on the wall. Obama’s biggest mistake was foisting Obamacare on us, and doing it in an
unconstitutional way—if we add the clamorous dissonance of people like Trumka and Hoffa,Jr. to the mix, the overall feeling created in the public realm is of something just not being “right” , and the awareness that all of this would not be happening if Obama were not President.
The solution then presents itself -—Obama should be replaced, and a rollback of the power and influence of these three “special interests” should be shut down or rolled back.I don’t see mass deportations of Illegals or
Muzzies on the horizon, though, as a workable political solution, and the Republican candidates are all at least smart enough not to put that in their platform,except as something that is only vaguely hinted at.First step is to continue fighting against the Muzzie’s own version of Obamacare, which is the monumental “Ground Zero Mosque”—that will only be accomplished if we’re willing to make it a pitched battle with Mayor Bloomberg, this fool who still seems to want to wield dictatorial power in New York City.
The GZ mosque is as perfect example of “overreaching” as any of us will ever find to provide a parallel to Obamacare.
It was clear from the beginning that the Obama Administration was politically ruthless, careless, and naive about the methods they would use to both push and curate their Agenda. They’re still juggling so many balls in the air at the same time that all it will take will be a strong collective breath from the electorate to send them all tumbling to the ground. THAT will happen a little over a year from now.


43 posted on 09/17/2011 8:03:42 AM PDT by supremedoctrine
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To: rawcatslyentist

Luke 22:35-38


44 posted on 09/17/2011 11:28:04 AM PDT by TwoSwords (Has anyone seen my suspension of disbelief pills?)
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To: Norm Lenhart
...Until non muslims push back using the same ‘tricks’ the muslims/Left use, nothing will happen until the grand jihad begins...

I can't see that happening, we can't become barbarians to defeat the barbarians...can we? Not yet. Give it time though, that's what will happen.

45 posted on 09/17/2011 4:46:38 PM PDT by Fred Nerks (fair dinkum!)
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To: Fred Nerks

I don’t mean violently, I mean the ‘lawfare’ aspects. Let them ‘demand’ religious whatever. We just demand the same...and stick with it and not back down. ‘Tricks’ of that nature.

They demand burkas, we sue over safety concerns. Stuff like that. Just make it impossible for them to practice Islam/Sharia using our current laws that SHOULD BE ENFORCED AND Restricting that BS anyway.


46 posted on 09/17/2011 5:22:42 PM PDT by Norm Lenhart
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To: Norm Lenhart

I don’t have any answers, but let me give you an example of why the laws are NOT enforced...

We have an imam in Oz who maintained the reason he did not register his motor vehicle was because the koran did not require him to do so.

He probably instructed his followers also to forgo registration of their motor vehicles on the same grounds...

He was fined of course.

However, there are some five thousand members of his community, and the majority of them would own a vehicle. They could almost all be driving unregistered vehicles as result of his instructions, and quite probably also driving without a licence; because allah never told them they needed one...

Now what are the police to do?

Set up a force to check all muslim vehicle-owners and muslim drivers?

The howls of descrimination would be deafening, so they get away with it...and are only apprehended as the result of some other traffic infringement, or if an observant police-officer notices the out-of-date (or total lack of) registration sticker.

To break even the most basic of our laws is to follow the koran, even driving an unregistered vehicle is a PERSONAL JIHAD.


47 posted on 09/17/2011 5:41:59 PM PDT by Fred Nerks (fair dinkum!)
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To: Cincinna

Seriously...!
The French government is going to be providing ‘temporary’ space for thousands in order to get them off the streets.
How temporary do you think this will end up being?


48 posted on 09/17/2011 6:38:13 PM PDT by Sarah
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To: Fred Nerks

I do get what you’re saying...but...
Until we ‘let them howl’ nothing changes. I am tired of worrying about charges of bigotry. Hold our government/officials accountable to/for enforcing the law and / or make them look for work come election day. That’s the only real answer I believe in, short of military action.


49 posted on 09/17/2011 6:54:04 PM PDT by Norm Lenhart
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To: TwoSwords

The rebirth of Charles Martel.


50 posted on 09/17/2011 7:24:40 PM PDT by Pelham (Islam. The original Evil Empire)
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