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Jackie O: MLK Was Terrible, FDR a Phony
thenewamerican.com ^ | 091711 | Cort Kirkwood

Posted on 09/17/2011 6:05:50 AM PDT by VU4G10

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1 posted on 09/17/2011 6:05:56 AM PDT by VU4G10
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To: VU4G10

And what was her husband if not a terrible phoney himself?


2 posted on 09/17/2011 6:07:55 AM PDT by SoJoCo
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To: VU4G10

She may have been correct on several fronts but she was still a flake.


3 posted on 09/17/2011 6:11:38 AM PDT by traderrob6
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To: VU4G10

Perhaps Jackie O was more conservative than she herself realized?


4 posted on 09/17/2011 6:12:16 AM PDT by RockinRight (Carter Obama and Reagan the nation!)
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To: VU4G10
The Jackie Look--Kris Jensen, 1963
5 posted on 09/17/2011 6:12:49 AM PDT by Fiji Hill
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To: VU4G10

I bet the toys he played with in the bathtub was a PT boat and a Japanese cruiser.

At least I hope that was the kind of toys she was referring to...


6 posted on 09/17/2011 6:14:37 AM PDT by Abathar (Proudly posting without reading the article carefully since 2004)
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To: traderrob6

We watched the show on ABC the other night and it was hilarious watching and listening as Caroline followed immediately after some of these comments attempting to refute them. It was a case of who to believe, her or your lying ears and eyes.


7 posted on 09/17/2011 6:16:31 AM PDT by John W (Natural-born US citizen since 1955)
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To: VU4G10
“She thought liberal Democrat hero Franklin Delano Roosevelt was “an insincere show-off.”

Unfortunately, many of the messes we are dealing with today (Social Security) are the legacy of his “showing-off.”

Too bad liberals wouldn't have admitted this earlier!

8 posted on 09/17/2011 6:16:58 AM PDT by I cannot think of a name
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To: All

Kennedy family dressed for church.

WEDDING DAY (Jackie hated her gown---she wore her mother's bridal veil)

9 posted on 09/17/2011 6:23:57 AM PDT by Liz (The rule of law must prevail. We can’t govern ourselves by our personal point of view.)
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To: VU4G10

Well, yes, they were, but I wouldn’t say it while someone was taping me...


10 posted on 09/17/2011 6:27:33 AM PDT by Little Ray (FOR the best Conservative in the Primary; AGAINST Obama in the General.)
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To: John W

If everything about JFK was the same, and his policy decisions etc. were all the same, but it said R after his name rather than D how do you think history would view him at this point?


11 posted on 09/17/2011 6:29:12 AM PDT by pieceofthepuzzle
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To: VU4G10

The apples don’t fall far from the tree. Did anyhone else notice how often she used...”you know”?


12 posted on 09/17/2011 6:32:14 AM PDT by FES0844
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To: VU4G10

The apples don’t fall far from the tree. Did anyhone else notice how often she used...”you know”?


13 posted on 09/17/2011 6:32:24 AM PDT by FES0844
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To: VU4G10

Sobering to remember that during her short life of 64 years; Jacqueline Kennedy suffered one still-born and one child who lived only 3 days. Was widowed at 34 and again at 46. She also suffered through the death of Robert Kennedy and the loss of Alexander Onassis.

Such turbulent decades for an ‘educated’, but naive innocent. At least she was spared the death of John Jr.

I was not particularly interested in her fashion sense or the fawning adoration by the media - but she seems to have endured unimaginable challenges and adversity with grace and dignified silence. Very rare qualities.


14 posted on 09/17/2011 6:33:09 AM PDT by sodpoodle (Despair: Man's surrender. Laughter: God's redemption.)
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To: VU4G10
It's amusing to watch the iconoblasts scramble to correct the remarks and try to make them all fit into their politically correct delusions.

"She didn't really mean that."

"She was actually crazy about Lady Bird. She meant it as a compliment. In fact, she was a dog lover!"

15 posted on 09/17/2011 6:33:09 AM PDT by Savage Beast ("That is the great eternal question: Are 'Liberals' evil or stupid?" ~Ann Coulter)
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To: VU4G10

I watched about an hour of the Jackie show on an abc site (Diane Sawyer with Caroline, and lots of audio), and then, “Enough!”
The tapes portray a birdbrain, enhanced by pills and booze. Life threw her a cruel blow, but please — don’t ever mix pills and booze with audio tape.


16 posted on 09/17/2011 6:34:36 AM PDT by HomeAtLast
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To: VU4G10

A lot of what was apparently said reflects what for modern liberal/progressives is an unpleasant truth: once the democrats had conservatives as well as lunatics. Not any more.


17 posted on 09/17/2011 6:36:16 AM PDT by sayuncledave (A cruce salus)
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To: sodpoodle
Such turbulent decades for an ‘educated’, but naive innocent.

_______________________________________

Naive? I think that there are better words to describe a woman who sold her position in history and global elite society to a billionaire.

18 posted on 09/17/2011 6:38:25 AM PDT by wtc911 ("How you gonna get down that hill?")
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To: HomeAtLast
....don’t ever mix pills and booze with audio tape.

Or you'll have a fantastic triple platinum hard rock album...........

19 posted on 09/17/2011 6:40:43 AM PDT by Red Badger ("Treason doth never prosper.... What's the reason? Why if it prosper, none dare call it treason.")
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To: sayuncledave
As somebody noted above if JFK had an (R) after his name what would we think of him ~ well, for one, we'd think he was a RINO since he'd ended up as Republican only after his father was put away or was dead.

Second, his wife would look fairly Conservative as well and she did have some Republican ancestors.

Might give her a 6 on a scale of 10 ~ but still, she did hang around with entirely too many mind-numbed Leftwingtards.

20 posted on 09/17/2011 6:41:23 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: VU4G10; mickie
Someone refresh my memory, please.....didn't Caroline dearest sell these tapes to a TV network in return for it not running a negative series on Camelot, JFK and his family?

Leni

21 posted on 09/17/2011 6:42:24 AM PDT by MinuteGal (Too Bad Those of Us who Work for a Living Have to Support Those who Vote for a Living)
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To: pieceofthepuzzle

Since history is mostly written now by liberal fools, they would declare him a total failure versus the fawning admiration they show now. Doris Kearns Goodwin would describe him as a misogynist abuser of women instead of a loving caring family man.


22 posted on 09/17/2011 6:44:36 AM PDT by John W (Natural-born US citizen since 1955)
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To: VU4G10
MLK was terrible

Ut oh, Mrs Kennedy will have all MLK worshipers in a tizzy. Even a leftest icon such as Jackie O is not allowed to criticize the ultimate Marxist god!

23 posted on 09/17/2011 6:48:38 AM PDT by Altura Ct.
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To: SoJoCo
JFK was as real as Bubba Clinton, just a little classier.

Of course, JFK's wife was classier, too.

24 posted on 09/17/2011 6:49:20 AM PDT by magslinger (To properly protect your family you need a bible, a twelve gauge and a pig.)
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To: VU4G10

The truth hurts.


25 posted on 09/17/2011 6:52:06 AM PDT by Lonesome in Massachussets (Ceterum autem censeo, Obama delenda est.)
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To: SoJoCo
And what was her husband if not a terrible phoney himself?

I would say more misguided than a phoney. He was a hypocrite about sexual matters, but I believe that that was not particularly uncommon among a lot of "progressives" at the time. And please, please, do not engage in the causal slander of his and his brother's military service that seems to be nearly mandatory on Free Republic.

26 posted on 09/17/2011 6:55:48 AM PDT by Lonesome in Massachussets (Ceterum autem censeo, Obama delenda est.)
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To: sodpoodle
Jackie was very smart and somewhat witty, and I've gotten a kick out of some of her remarks and some of the tales about her. On the other hand, much of her wit seems to be at someone else's expense. (The secret of Lucille Ball's enduring loveability is that hers wasn't.)

She knew what was on the tapes. If she didn't mean what she had said or changed her mind, she had plenty of time to correct her remarks herself.

I do not know why Jackie made the tapes in the first place or why Caroline released them--but one thing's certain: they'll make lots of money.

27 posted on 09/17/2011 6:55:59 AM PDT by Savage Beast ("That is the great eternal question: Are 'Liberals' evil or stupid?" ~Ann Coulter)
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To: VU4G10
During the Cuban Missile Cuban Crisis, Mrs. Kennedy begged her husband not to send her away in the event of war, so devoted was she to her husband, despite his noted infidelities.

Like Tammy said, sometimes it's hard to be a woman.

Or maybe she was thinking of JFK's airbourne command post, underground bunker, and all the other perks the POTUS has at his disposal...

28 posted on 09/17/2011 6:58:54 AM PDT by ZOOKER ( Exploring the fine line between cynicism and outright depression)
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Courtesan?
29 posted on 09/17/2011 6:59:04 AM PDT by metesky (Brethren, leave us go amongst them! - Rev. Capt. Samuel Johnston Clayton - Ward Bond, The Searchers)
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To: Red Badger

LOL. Good point.


30 posted on 09/17/2011 7:00:04 AM PDT by HomeAtLast
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To: John W

I agree entirely, which tells us just how big a problem we have with the current alignment of the media.

In a different recent thread here there was a comment by Justice Beyer in which he basically said that elected politicians were, by virtue of their success getting elected, ‘experts’ on popularity.

This underscores how important popularity and public perception are in public policy. The problem is that what is ‘popular’ can be fairly handily manipulated in a media driven society (which is why companies spend so much money advertising). When the media are almost all from a single ideological camp, they can have dramatic effects on what is perceived as mainstream and what is popular.

If we don’t develop very aggressive and effective means to counter the bulk effect of the media (and the entertainment industry) on what is defined as ‘mainstream’ and popular in society we will have a very hard time stopping the insidious effects of the left on our nation.


31 posted on 09/17/2011 7:02:17 AM PDT by pieceofthepuzzle
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To: VU4G10

I think this says more about Jackie than anything else. And, points out the sickness of the celebrity-worship culture.


32 posted on 09/17/2011 7:06:35 AM PDT by SuzyQue
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To: traderrob6
She may have been correct on several fronts but she was still a flake.

There are different types of intelligence. (And education)

Didn't Old Man "I heart Adolph" Joe pay her a reported $10M for not divorcing JFK?

33 posted on 09/17/2011 7:09:01 AM PDT by Calvin Locke
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To: VU4G10

I listened for a few minutes to her whisper into the mic....... but I didn’t care about her when she was alive and I certainly don’t care about her now.


34 posted on 09/17/2011 7:09:38 AM PDT by Ditter
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To: wtc911

IIRC she married a man (Onassis) who adored her.

She was apparently too naive (or too normal) to not realize her “position in history” had a price tag.

Do those ‘positions’ give a young widow (with two children) companionship and financial security?


35 posted on 09/17/2011 7:09:38 AM PDT by sodpoodle (Despair: Man's surrender. Laughter: God's redemption.)
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It was a case of who to believe, her or your lying ears and eyes.

Can't stand her for oh so many reasons. Never paid much attention to
her until she tried to stop people from using her father's tax cut
speech, when she (& her brother) had tried to evade estate taxes themselves.

36 posted on 09/17/2011 7:16:48 AM PDT by Calvin Locke
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To: pieceofthepuzzle
If we don’t develop very aggressive and effective means to counter the bulk effect of the media (and the entertainment industry) on what is defined as ‘mainstream’ and popular in society we will have a very hard time stopping the insidious effects of the left on our nation.

I agree.

37 posted on 09/17/2011 7:18:25 AM PDT by EternalVigilance ('Truth is the first object.' -- Thomas Jefferson)
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To: SoJoCo
And what was her husband if not a terrible phoney himself?

The whole clan were phonies, and she just as much as they.

38 posted on 09/17/2011 7:19:19 AM PDT by SampleMan (Feral Humans are the refuse of socialism.)
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To: magslinger
Of course, JFK's wife was classier, too.

Was she really? Or did she benefit from the same fawning press that JFK himself basked in?

39 posted on 09/17/2011 7:32:52 AM PDT by SoJoCo
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To: Lonesome in Massachussets
I would say more misguided than a phoney.

I'm not so sure about that. He was calculating and the consummate political animal. Like all politicians, he did what was best for him and his political future more than what was best for the country. Yet he milked the whole 'Camelot' crap for all it was worth.

And please, please, do not engage in the causal slander of his and his brother's military service that seems to be nearly mandatory on Free Republic.

What criticism I may have of JFK does not extend to his military service. His actions as CO of PT-109 reflect well on him, and he probably deserved more than the Navy and Marine Corps Medal for saving the survivors in his crew.

40 posted on 09/17/2011 7:41:27 AM PDT by SoJoCo
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To: sodpoodle

Do you honestly think that she would have married a Dry Cleaner who ‘adored’ her? She sold her personal history and position for financial security. She’s certainly not the only woman in history to do so but painting her as naive and innocent is ridiculous.


41 posted on 09/17/2011 7:42:21 AM PDT by wtc911 ("How you gonna get down that hill?")
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To: VU4G10

This is hilarious. Poor dumb Caroline trying to say that Jackie didn’t say what she clearly said.


42 posted on 09/17/2011 7:44:02 AM PDT by Montanabound
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To: sodpoodle
she seems to have endured unimaginable challenges and adversity with grace and dignified silence. Very rare qualities.

I agree with you, and I'm sure she suspected her husband of infidelities, but she would have had no way of knowing the explicit details. It all started unraveling years later with Judith Campbell Exner, JFK's Mafia girlfriend...and other books.

43 posted on 09/17/2011 7:47:19 AM PDT by Dr. Scarpetta
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Poor dumb Caroline trying to say that Jackie didn’t say what she clearly said.

I find myself annoyed with Caroline. She always seems like the typical limousine liberal.

44 posted on 09/17/2011 7:49:04 AM PDT by Dr. Scarpetta
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To: VU4G10
FDR was a monster who started our nation on it's road to decline.
He attempted several ways to destroy our Constitution. He lengthened the Depression by several years. He hated private industry.

He gave Europe over the Russians with his poor negotiating skills at Yalta.
And some (many) people liked him at the time!!

45 posted on 09/17/2011 7:50:50 AM PDT by HereInTheHeartland (I love how the FR spellchecker doesn't recognize the word "Obama")
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To: Savage Beast
I do not know why Jackie made the tapes in the first place or why Caroline released them--but one thing's certain: they'll make lots of money.

If I remember correctly, Caroline sold most of Jackie's jewelry and made a lot of money. She did not donate the jewelry to a museum. QVC sells reproductions of her jewelry, and they carefully explain the history of each piece.

46 posted on 09/17/2011 7:52:45 AM PDT by Dr. Scarpetta
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To: SoJoCo
What criticism I may have of JFK does not extend to his military service. His actions as CO of PT-109 reflect well on him, and he probably deserved more than the Navy and Marine Corps Medal for saving the survivors in his crew.

The N&MCM criteria perfectly describe what he accomplished though the effort he put forth to do it may not be adequately recognized. The colored star medals, cross, and MOH are about combat or (some Bronze Stars) combat support. He was not in combat at the time. The medal was the minimum he deserved and the maximum that could be justified under the circumstances, and it made a pretty good movie script.

47 posted on 09/17/2011 7:54:52 AM PDT by jimfree (In 2012 Sarah Palin will have more quality executive experience than Barack Obama.)
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To: MinuteGal

Thank you. I thought that myself. Seems I read somewhere the tapes were released so as not to have the series. If that IS the case...the series must have been REALLY, REALLY BAD because these tapes are just awful as well.


48 posted on 09/17/2011 7:55:55 AM PDT by cubreporter (From TEA to Shining TEA - Go Rush Limbaugh..a giant of all that is good.)
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To: SoJoCo

I’m not sure that being calculating and self-interested or milking a favorable public image would make a politician, or anyone else, a “phony”. If so, who among is for real?


49 posted on 09/17/2011 7:59:44 AM PDT by Lonesome in Massachussets (Ceterum autem censeo, Obama delenda est.)
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To: John W
I thought Caroline's comments were incomprehensible. Weirdly contradicting what her mother so obviously meant.

Jackie was a pretty savvy reader of people. I want to hear more. Plus, I really dig that New York accent of hers. Libs must be cringing.

50 posted on 09/17/2011 8:09:16 AM PDT by Oratam
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