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Senate Appropriators Cut 200,000 Jobs From Defense Request
Defence Professionals and Lexington Institute ^ | 16 September 2011 | Loren B. Thompson, Ph.D.

Posted on 09/17/2011 8:19:00 AM PDT by SkyPilot

15:27 GMT, September 16, 2011 This week the defense subcommittee of the Senate Appropriations Committee cut $26 billion from the Obama Administration's fiscal 2012 budget request. The move is intended to align future Pentagon spending with the requirements of the recently enacted Budget Control Act. However, the cuts the subcommittee proposes to implement would destroy at least 200,000 jobs, and probably more at a time when the government is contemplating going deeper into debt to fund the president's jobs bill.

Consider the $13.3 billion the appropriators propose to delete from military investment accounts -- $9 billion for procurement and $4.3 billion for R&D. Let's assume that every $200,000 in investment spending creates one direct job, either in the government or the private sector. At that rate, $13.3 billion in cuts would destroy 66,500 jobs. But that's just the beginning, because economic models indicate that for every direct job created, two indirect jobs are also created in retail, construction, education and other activities made possible by the spending of defense workers. So the total hit to the economy from the proposed cuts is actually 66,500 times three, or 199,500 jobs.

Note that I have not included in this calculation job losses resulting from the $12.6 billion in other proposed cuts to the defense request, such as the $8.2 billion reduction in operations and maintenance. The latter cuts by themselves undoubtedly will destroy thousands of additional jobs.

These calculations illustrate that defense cuts are incompatible with the stated intention of both political parties to create jobs. If one congressional committee is considering spending billions of dollars on a jobs bill while another committee is cutting billions of dollars from defense that also would sustain jobs, where is the net gain to the economy? Does Washington really believe that building a new bridge in Kentucky creates jobs, but a defense plant or military base there does not?

---- Loren B. Thompson, Ph.D. Early Warning Blog, Lexington Institute


TOPICS: Extended News; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: cuts; defense; jobs; obama; teaparty
Let me try and lay this out for everyone:

The FY12 budget that the DoD is struggling to get written and passed by Reid's do-nothing Senate will (in its present form) devastate the economy with thousands upon thousands of contractor, business, and DoD civilian job losses. This does not even take into account the looming "Super Committee" cuts that will be beyond imaginable.

Many DoD civilians have already been given letters (written on letterhead) that tell them their jobs are basically gone. They are offering (maybe!) some cash for those who will get out now, but the terms are very punitive - you can't be hired by any Govt agency for 5 years and you can't get a dime of unemployment.

When you saw Obama up there, chanting "Pass this jobs bill!" - know this. On the very same night, some DoD agencies were drafting letters to targeted civilians telling them their jobs are slated to be eliminated. Some of these people are disabled veterans! It doesn't matter - everyone is at risk.

Where is the media outrage on THAT one? Where is the GOP response?

It there was ever a case of hypocrisy by a President, this is it.

But - the Obama "jobs bill" doesn't care about engineers working on new fighters or civilians working to fight Islamic terror. To Obama and the Democrats, they seem to be the enemy.

The "jobs bill" is simply another giveaway to the usual suspects: union thugs, "green" jobs (which don't exist), selected minorities, and cronies.

Our nation's industry and thousands upon thousands of jobs are about to devastated.

Where is the outrage?

1 posted on 09/17/2011 8:19:08 AM PDT by SkyPilot
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To: SkyPilot
Senate Appropriators Cut 200,000 Jobs From Defense Request

Should have been cut from the Federal Employees added since 2009. And all the shadow government minions surrounding the "Great Uniter."

GGGGGGGRRRRRRRRRRRRrrrrrrrrrrrrr!

Entitlement cuts to come?
NO. We haven't forgotten about those.

2 posted on 09/17/2011 8:24:06 AM PDT by Publius6961 (My world was lovely, until it was taken over by parasites.)
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To: SkyPilot
This information needs to get to people like Rush, Hewitt, Hannity, and Levin. Yes, it is an OUTRAGE.

If there needs to be 200,000 jobs cut, start with agencies like the EPA, Energy Department, Department of Education, Department of Labor, etc. (Feel free to add others)

3 posted on 09/17/2011 8:26:12 AM PDT by Enterprise ("Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities." Voltaire)
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To: SkyPilot
When federal government employees are laid off they get unemployment compensation just the same as if they'd been working in the private sector.

(That's from personal experience ~ USPS has had layoff after layoff after layoff for years and years and years ~ just not in the bargaining unit).

Second, and more important, when you look at the so-called "multiplier effect" and you see a federal job lost, and then two and a half private sector jobs also being lost, you have to remember that to collect the taxes to fund that federal job and the two and a half other jobs it was necessary to DESTROY three and a half jobs in the private sector.

It's a wash, at worst.

If Department of Defense was a money-making venture (acquiring colonies, tribute from independent countries, looting cities, that sort of thing) there'd be no problems.

4 posted on 09/17/2011 8:27:17 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: SkyPilot

Didn’t we already cut the defense budget to buy Democrat votes back with Bill Clinton and THE PEACE DIVIDEND? How many cousins and aunts and uncles and brother-in-laws do these Democrats have that want a civilian GS job?


5 posted on 09/17/2011 8:29:43 AM PDT by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: SkyPilot

Let me lay this out for you, we are frigging broke.


6 posted on 09/17/2011 8:35:21 AM PDT by org.whodat (so Perry's purchase price starts at $5001.00: and $29,000 , was a sell.)
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To: SkyPilot

http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/1596981008/ref=redir_mdp_mobile


7 posted on 09/17/2011 8:37:53 AM PDT by org.whodat (so Perry's purchase price starts at $5001.00: and $29,000 , was a sell.)
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To: SkyPilot

Let’s examine this in a little more detail. To start with, here is the US Defense budget (2010), by major category.

Operations and maintenance $283.3b
Military Personnel $154.2b
Procurement $140.1b
R&D, Testing & Evaluation $79.1b
Military Construction $23.9b
Family Housing $3.1b


Total Spending $685.1b

(Budget request for 2012 is $707.5b)

Again, according to the article, the proposed cuts to this are in:

Procurement -$9b
R&D -$4.3b

Just looking at Procurement, here is a list of systems each of which costs $1.5b or more (in the 2011 budget).

F-35 Joint Strike Fighter $11.4b
Ballistic Missile Defense (Aegis, THAAD, PAC-3) $9.9b
Virginia class submarine $5.4b
Brigade Combat Team Modernization $3.2b
DDG 51 Aegis-class Destroyer $3.0b
P–8A Poseidon $2.9b
V-22 Osprey $2.8b
Carrier Replacement Program $2.7b
F/A-18E/F Hornet $2.0b
Predator and Reaper Unmanned Aerial System $1.9b
Littoral combat ship $1.8b
CVN Refueling and Complex Overhaul $1.7b
Chemical Demilitarization $1.6b
RQ-4 Global Hawk $1.5b
Space-Based Infrared System $1.5b


8 posted on 09/17/2011 8:40:49 AM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy
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To: org.whodat
Broke, yes. Meanwhile Solyndra get half a billion and Reid wants millions more for bike paths. Get it? The Senate majority leader wants millions of dollars for bike paths. And he's willing to borrow 43 cents of every dollar spent to get those bike paths built.

This has gone way, way, way over the cliff. The only way out is the wholesale elimination of several federal departments. Let me include: The Department of Agriculture (which grows no food), the EPA, the FDA, The Department of Energy (which produces no energy), The Department of Education (which educates no one.), the ATF and many more. There is a growing need to balance the budget IMMEDIATELY and stop borrowing money.

On the other hand, maybe a revolution is neede.

9 posted on 09/17/2011 8:43:30 AM PDT by Former Proud Canadian (We .. have a purpose .. no longer to please every dictator with a vote at the UN. PM Harper)
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To: SkyPilot

There are easily 200,000 DoD “jobs” particularly in the acquisition functions that can be eliminated without any real negative effects on our warfighters and on our warfighting capabilities.

After 9/11 President Bush declared a national emergency allowing retired military officers to take jobs in the civil service without having to give up a portion of their military retirement pay. The result was the creation of tens of thousands of new positions in acquisition functions that were filled by retired lieutenant colonels and colonels who knew little about acquisitions or technology.

The increase in the know-nothings at the top of many acquistion functions had several effects. It caused a bloating of the number of people in those functions. It caused an atrophy of those functions. It so frustrated many career civil servants who reported to the know-nothings and whose advice was routinely rejected often to the detriment of the programs that many senior career acquisition professionals retired at the earliest opportunity which lead to more know-nothings being hired.

If the Senate (and the House?) really want to cut 200,000 civil service positions from the DoD, they need to simply reinstitute the cut in retirement pay for those retired military officers who have not had a personal confirmation hearing. The DoD would have 200,000 vacant positions almost immediately.


10 posted on 09/17/2011 8:51:21 AM PDT by MIchaelTArchangel (Duval Patrick is a coward. Explain yourself on The O'Reilly Factor, you creep!)
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To: Former Proud Canadian
Take your problem with spending up with the house leadership. That does not change the fact, that the government has got to reduce spending. I mean what in the hell was Lewinsky doing at the department of defense, collecting a pay check to service clintoon, and you can bet there are many more like her and barneys boy friend.
11 posted on 09/17/2011 8:54:58 AM PDT by org.whodat (so Perry's purchase price starts at $5001.00: and $29,000 , was a sell.)
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To: Former Proud Canadian

“There is a growing need to balance the budget IMMEDIATELY and stop borrowing money.”

Good post in its entirety. Another way to cut back would be to eliminate the ridiculous and wasteful redundancies across agencies. Ironic that two of the first three agencies you list (Agriculture and FDA) have programs in the food safety area that overlap, if not replicate, each other. Might also look to consolidate the Federal Reserve, FDIC, Office of the Comptroller of the Currency, and Treasury Dept. The list goes on...


12 posted on 09/17/2011 8:59:54 AM PDT by Starboard
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To: muawiyah
When federal government employees are laid off they get unemployment compensation just the same as if they'd been working in the private sector.

Yes, but not if they take any Variable Separation Incentive Pay (VISP). Here is the kicker - they are pressuring people to take "something" and get eliminated now, or they can attempt to keep their jobs, and get nothing very soon.

The VSIP pay is a joke - the DoD is currently offering (at MAX!) the same amount the offered in 1994, and it is subject to Federal, state, and local taxes.

Moreover, this is what the DoD is doing: they are targeting so many jobs for elimination that disabled vets are targeted as well. They give the vets (30% or more VA rating) with a suffix code to their Group based on tenure, but won't elaborate about what it will do for any disabled vet. In other words, your job is still gone if they want it gone. There is no job protection for any disabled veteran.

Nice, huh?

Glad the illegals and the "green jobs" criminals are still getting Billions.

13 posted on 09/17/2011 9:03:48 AM PDT by SkyPilot
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To: SkyPilot
More draconian cuts from the Defense Department... only? Soon to be added by vast numbers more from DOD by the Politburo Of Twelve and the "sweet" Debt Deal our lame Republican leadership simply couldn't resist? What a shocker!

I've got an idea. Let's first cut some of the hundreds of thousands of slugs recently added to the already horribly bloated federal bureaucracy since the Kenyan King took office.

Does anybody think any of these added legions of lard assed bureaucrats ("minorities" only need apply) were needed in the slightest? At least the DOD has a legitimate function! The other functions are mostly like cold over-used cooking grease pumped into our national economic arteries. Worse, actually.

14 posted on 09/17/2011 9:07:50 AM PDT by Gritty (President Obama, this is your army. We are ready to march. Let's take these SOBs out!-J Hoffa)
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To: org.whodat
Let me lay this out for you, we are frigging broke.

We are $14.4 Trillion in debt, yes.

We are still spending money, and our economy is still in existence. You still are working for legal tender. Your still have that tender in your ATM account, savings account, and checking account. Yes?

The Obama administration is still spending Billions on groups it favors: entitlement collectors, selected minorities, Medicare, Medicaid, Food Stamps, unemployment insurance for almost 2 years, "Green Jobs", etc.

You can't deny this.

Here is the point: Obama, the Media, and the Democrats are crowing about "creating jobs" while at the same time they are destroying hundreds of thousands of them.

Why?

Because any jobs that is Defense related is hated by the Obama administration.

Can you grasp this point?

15 posted on 09/17/2011 9:08:27 AM PDT by SkyPilot
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To: SkyPilot
One of the ways you can beat up on DOD at the MSPB is to ATTACK the retention groups they establish at the beginning.

Typically a federal agency will try to make them as narrow as possible so that only somebody else's friends get laid off.

That's usually what trips them up ~ you just go back through job rosters for a decade and you can find all the little social relationships that cause otherwise honest people to turn into street thugs and thieves in the face of a RIF.

One case you need to cite dates back to the mid 1980s when Marvin Runyon was PMG. He'd come to the job from a friendship with Senator Alexander (a worthless cousin of mine) and his experience destroying the TVA personnel development process (brother in laws were welcome, you weren't, but Carvin Marvin's buddies were).

So, Carvin Marvin got the idea he could ignore the law when it came to RIFs at USPS simply because he could ~ and other managers had done so before him.

This time they screwed up because they started with a layoff of 5 and 10 pt veterans in the top management ranks.

Several headquarters employees had earlier won cases at MSPB so those were hauled out as precedents. A lawyer or two was hired. BINGO, USPS LOST IT ALL and ended up under the special obervation of MSPB for a couple of decades (and I don't think that's over yet).

DOD folks will be facing the same sort of thing, which is why you need to review the USPS cases on file at MSPB and see what rights you really have. You can safely ignore the FPM and the Reduction In Force Handbook because your management is going to ignore them as well. What they won't ignore are the MSPB veteran related cases at USPS.

So, good luck. I won a few times and so can you. Death to management (cheaters) and their running dog lackeys ~ may they all be RIFFED first!

16 posted on 09/17/2011 9:13:47 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Gritty
Let's first cut some of the hundreds of thousands of slugs recently added to the already horribly bloated federal bureaucracy since the Kenyan King took office.

You are correct.

Defense as a % of GDP is at a historical low. Right now, it is less than 4%, and projected to go even lower.

It isn't Defense Spending that is breaking the back of this nation. It is entitlements and welfare (the latter including those collecting unemployment insurance for a very long time, Medicare, Medicaid, and the explosion of the Food Stamp (SNAP CARD) program.

Rep Howard McKenon, Chairman of the House Armed Services Committee recently said:

"It is impossible to pay our entitlement­t tab with the Pentagon's credit card."

But, that is what the Democrats are doing.

If people think the economy is bad now, wait until hundreds of thousands of jobs are soon lost by devastating the DoD and industry.

We will go off the cliff into a Great Depression that will drawf anything you have seen.

17 posted on 09/17/2011 9:15:22 AM PDT by SkyPilot
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To: SkyPilot

There is a huge amount of wasteful spending in our military in nearly every area. Examples: 80,000 troops defending Europe, 40,000 in S. Korea, x number in Japan. And our nation building in the Middle East. Total waste of taxpayer monies. Add to all of this the number of veterans who will end up on some form of disability (partial or full) from PTSD and other ailments and we have a budget disaster for a long time to come.


18 posted on 09/17/2011 10:08:06 AM PDT by doosee
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To: doosee

I smell Libertarian.


19 posted on 09/17/2011 10:11:21 AM PDT by central_va ( I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: SkyPilot
So the argument is because the butt wipe Obummer is bankrupting the country you see no harm in the defense department doing the same thing. Ok!!!!
20 posted on 09/17/2011 10:14:33 AM PDT by org.whodat (so Perry's purchase price starts at $5001.00: and $29,000 , was a sell.)
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To: SkyPilot
The $8.2 billion reduction in operations and maintenance will destroy the Military’s infrastructure by allowing it to crumble. Rot our military capability from inside.

Good job Obama!

21 posted on 09/17/2011 10:30:05 AM PDT by Ben Mugged (Your refusing to accept the facts doesn't change the facts. Matt Dillon)
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To: central_va

I agree with some Libertarian ideas but I consider myself to be a common sense American. Where are the Europeans, Japanese, Germans, and Saudis paying for their own defense. They live under our defense umbrella while only tacitly supporting many of the US initiatives. Our leaders sit idly while OPEC continually rips us off as one example of the Saudi gratefulness.


22 posted on 09/17/2011 10:47:46 AM PDT by doosee
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To: SkyPilot

So let me see if I have this right. We cut 29 billion from defense and kill 200,000 jobs for a net savings of about $150,000 p/job and we spend 447 billion at $5,000,000 p/job and create 200,000 jobs,OK I think I have it. Only in America/ sarc


23 posted on 09/17/2011 11:09:48 AM PDT by VTenigma
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To: SkyPilot
Tea Party Senator Pat Toomey is on that committee.
Tea Party leaders were very vocal during the debt ceiling debate about including defense cuts in budget cuts.
The Committee is being heavily lobbied as we speak, to try to head off this disaster.
Cuts are projected to be made over a decade.

"The widely held sentiment among Tea Party Patriot members is that every item in the budget, including military spending and foreign aid, must be on the table," said Mark Meckler, co-founder of the Tea Party Patriots. "It is time to get serious about preserving the country for our posterity. The mentality that certain programs are 'off the table' must be taken off the table."

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2011/01/23/politics/main7274710.shtml

24 posted on 09/17/2011 12:42:47 PM PDT by La Enchiladita
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To: SkyPilot

Gotta pay for that 20% pay increase for the new UAW employees.


25 posted on 09/17/2011 4:50:59 PM PDT by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: blueunicorn6

Yup.


26 posted on 09/17/2011 5:24:24 PM PDT by SkyPilot
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To: org.whodat
So the argument is because the butt wipe Obummer is bankrupting the country you see no harm in the defense department doing the same thing. Ok!!!!

No.

There is no argument with me, only this inescapable truth: we are no longer a nation that produces anything, or a majority nation of workers. We have half of the people in this nation paying no Federal taxes, sitting around on their arses, collecting Direct Deposit checks in one form or another (SSI, SSDI, AFDC, SNAP card, etc), or scamming Medicare/Medicaid.

DoD spending is a lifeblood of economic activity. Period.

Further, spending on Defense is one of the few things the Constitution actually authorizes the Federal government to pursue. It isn't authorized to send out Social Security or disability checks. It isn't authorized to be involved in education. And it isn't authorized to tell us how to eat, dress, flush our toilets or what kind of light bulb we can use.

Spending on Defense as a percentage of GDP is not what is bankrupting our nation.

Entitlements are bankrupting our nation.

Moreover, once we lose certain key industries in aerospace or other forms of high tech manufacturing, we don't turn them on like a switch overnight.

If our nation gets into a full scale, real war (not like Iraq, but think North Korea and China at the same time) - we will be in a world of hurt. Then, everyone will clamor about "why weren't we prepared." It will be because instead of doing what the Constitution authorizes, we were sending out entitlement checks to people.

Lastly, I am outraged that there is a lack of outrage about what President Obama and the Democrats are doing. They are crowing about needing to spend a half of a Trillion dollars to throw money at state teacher jobs (and the teachers got $40 Billion in bailout money under Pelosi Reid in August of 2010!) - but for DoD civilians and defense industry, they can get in the unemployment line.

Yes, we have to prioritize as a nation and clean up our fiscal mess.

Entitlement reform is how we accomplish it. If we gut defense, and there is another American tragedy like 911 or Pearl Harbor, expect Obama to not even show his face.

27 posted on 09/17/2011 5:36:03 PM PDT by SkyPilot
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