Skip to comments.Subtle acts reshape military society amid [DADT] repeal
Posted on 09/17/2011 8:53:00 AM PDT by Red Badger
SAN DIEGO (AP) Night-long celebrations will mark the final countdown to the historic end of the U.S. military's ban on openly gay troops, and even more partying will take place once it is lifted Tuesday. But in many ways change is already here.
Countless subtle acts over the past months have been reshaping the military's staunchly traditional society in preparation for the U.S. armed forces' biggest policy shift in decades. Supporters of repeal compare it to the racial de-segregation of troops more than 60 years ago.
For some gay service members, the fear of discovery and reprisals dissipated months ago when a federal court halted all investigations and discharge proceedings under "don't ask, don't tell," while military leaders prepared the armed services for its end.
Several have come out to their peers and commanders.
A few have since placed photographs of their same-sex partners on their desks and attended military barbecues and softball games with their significant others. In San Diego, about 200 active-duty personnel both gay and heterosexual made up the nation's first military contingency to participate in a Gay Pride march this summer, carrying banners identifying their branches of service. An Army soldier had tears, saying she was touched by the thousands cheering them on, after hiding her identity for so long.
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No doubt. Just wait for the next draft. They´ll be ¨touched¨ then too.
‘Policy shift’ - puke.
The military’s ‘policy’ is the defense of the nation and successful combat operations.
Anything that detracts from that - which this most certainly does - should be ignored or reversed immediately.
For the first time since the beginning of the last century, no member of my immediate family is a member of the US Armed Forces. The liberals wanted it, and they’ve got it. Now they can go fight, or find someone to do it for them. We’re sitting the next war out.
Celebrating open depravity. It's disgusting and it's embarrassing that the greatest military force in the world is openly engaging in homosexuality. How exactly will they celebrate??
Shameful..can anyone imagine what General Patton would say?
Moral heterosexual patriotic males will find it a little more difficult to WANT to join. After 10-15 years of this we'll have a two tiered armed force. One for the actual fighting and the other as a social improvement humanitarian organization that happens to have weapons.
I'm done, I'm only left to tell my son never to join the PC armed forces. He's not going to die or be maimed in order to further this pile of dung or the parasites in DC. 7 uncles, his grandfather and myself will be the last of the Army Air Corps, Army, Marines and Sailors to be in his family tree. I've got some nephews that have joined up several years ago, but on the whole I'd rather he just go about learning a craft, a third foreign language and going into business for himself.
This will lead to a very bad end.
I come from a large military family with many of my relatives now serving. The repeal of DADT has and will continue to do more damage to the gays and make them far, FAR worse off then they were previously.
Soldiers who wwere disgusted by the gay life style and those who lived it will not change, but where before they did not knowingly have to come in contact with them so what they didn’t know didn’t bother them. Now that the gays feel free to identify themselves as such the soldiers who are not fans are fully aware of them and will adjust their behavior accordingly.
In the enlisted ranks almost no straight soldier will ever allow a known gay to place their hands on him in the normal ways this occurs when soldiers horse around. Almost no gay soldier will ever be seen in a group of soldiers out boozing it up because once they get a few in them most of these guys will say what’s on their minds and their will be trouble. No gay will be permitted in the shower when a straight soldier is in there and no straight soldier will enter a shower while there is a gay in there. Gays will be told when they can shower and they will listen. If they choose to complain of their treatment they will have no witnesses and their complaint will get them nowhere but a session we used to refer to as “midnight counseling”, which will quickly cure them of the bad habit of running to the brass.
They will (and are) more completely isolated then they were before because many will feel, wrongly, that because the law has changed so to have the feelings of the people involved and that is simply not true.
Their biggest loss is the ability for them to simply declare they are gay and get out of the service with an honorable discharge (general under honorable conditions). But with the repeal of DADT they have lost this option and after they out themselves and see what they have let themselves in for they have nowhere to go and will spend what time they have left stuck in isolation among their own kind.
I am not predicting this will happen I am stating it is happening now and I have this first hand
Sorry about the poor grammar,syntax and punctuation in previous post. I was in a hurry.
We need an edit button on the FR
I think I am going to PUke.
More destruction of America by the Kenyan.
This "coming out" of homosexuals already in the services will most probably involve about 1 to 2% of males and 50 to 70% of females. How will the MSM spin this discrepancy?
If my prediction comes true, and IF we get to hear about it, it will continue to demonstrate that women do not belong in active-duty combat services.
You can thank the dems...and Ron Paul...for this.
I am confused.
Has the appropriate part of UCMJ been repealed by Congress?
If not, it’s still in effect. According to the Constitution, only Congress has the power to decide what the rules for the military are, not the President.......
Subtle acts? Interesting title....
Seriously, I really hope that a “Gay Mafia” of senior officers doesn’t end up being established. But, I fear that this will end up being the case (in 10-15 years) to make up for past discrimination. If so, it will be the beginning of the end for the military as patriotic, straight soldiers will be forced out (or court martialed) out. Once you have a situation where gays can flaunt it and straights are prosecuted for objecting, you will lose the backbone of the military very quickly. What is left won’t be worth dog spit.
It may take a major military loss to change things back, but I doubt it. They will probably place blame everywhere but when it really belongs. This country seems to be slowly losing the ability to learn the right lessons from its mistakes.
I expect we will see an upswing of “Lost at sea” reports from the navy in the future.
When CWII starts the Blue State Army will not be homosexualized.
Lady Gaga Me is pleased.
Same with my family. I no longer recommend the military to anyone. It`s too aligned with the perversions of American society now.
This is the progressives biggest achievement so far in the culture war. I will be surprised if if did not create havoc in the ranks, especially when gay officers have dominion over strait enlisted men and women.
With General Barney Frank bringing up the rear..........
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Allowing mentally ill sex perverts in the military is nothing less than extremely destructive in every way. Hopefullly the next president and Congress will overturn this and go back to the days of "ask and if the answer is wrong, out the door".
I now have become the last person in my family to have served as my boys now will not be joining unless we get a President who has guts to overturn this madness.
I served in a combat unit and we were given a woman to see if she could keep up etc and then give our report back to higher command.
We were doing Arctic training and mountain training in north Norway in the Arctic under AMF/L which is a part of NATO.
What a complete farce it all was, we had guys on the patrols doing more work to make up for her, we had a couple of guys flirting all the time instead of doing the job and because of her one guy lost half of his finger through frost bite as he had to look after her.
We gave our report back after 3 months of this and did higher command listen, did they hell.
Now we have homosexual parties on base and men walking around in bleeding dresses.
the USMJ has not been repealed and therefore homosexuals if caught in the Marines should be kicked out by Marine law.
good points but let me point this out please.
Ever sat down to watch TV and you get a PG or 18 message along with contains graphic language, graphic sex etc.
Now why do we not get a message saying homosexuality as I am fed up of watching a movie etc and then seeing a queer prancing about as if this was normal and even worse I have to educate my kids about what the media is doing and how they are trying to make you think this illness is normal and should be accepted.
If the Catholic church organization is any guide, gays will consolidate in certain bases or commands, attempt to "convert" the straights they can, and drive out those they can't. As gays infliltrate the command structure, we will see whole bases, wings, or ships/subs become "pink," with cover-ups orchestrated from above.
The potential for trouble is virtually unlimited. For example, think of the consequences for international relations and the reputation of the United States military when some of the "pink" units are sent overseas to perform "humanitarian" or "nation building" missions.
This must be repealed when the next President takes office. It fags continue to be allowed in the military (plus the other horrors Zero and his pals have inflicted on us), then our country is over. Finished.
Thanks for your boots on the ground report, manc.
Everything you describe is the truth. Women, what to speak of homosexuals, do not belong in the military. If women want to be in the military that’s fine, but in their own service branches, the way it used to be.
“Shameful..can anyone imagine what General Patton would say?”
Patton was a great warrior & general. However, he wasn’t a paragon of sexual moral virtue. It is well known he cheated on his wife. Whatever, he would be extremely upset because he would see it as a break down in discipline....which is(from a purely secular view) the real issue. In the military of today there is already serious issues with hetereosexual misconduct that hurts discipline and morale....we don’t need the homosexual issues thrown in.
Hopefully, IF a morally conservative POTUS is elected, that person could start moving things back away from open homosexuality. Although, I don’t see anyone with the guts to expend political capital on the issue while the economy is in the tank. Really very sad state of affairs.
Even if a ‘morally conservative’ takes office, the tide has turned to the extent that I do not believe it can be reversed.
I have hope, I have faith and I’m optimistic...but those feelings do not apply to this world. They are derived out of the knowledge that Christ Himself is going to rectify the injustices of this world; and the fact that we will witness that in our lifetime.
“Christ Himself is going to rectify the injustices of this world”
Amen! He will. Will it be in my lifetime, I cannot say, but I know it WILL happen in His own good time.
Absolutely! We have faith in things ‘unseen’.
jimho, the times are pointing to that wonderful moment. The mideast situation, the earthquakes, the absolute rebellion against Him...convinces me that we will witness His return.
If not, I rest easy in the assurance that it will happen (justice)
“The mideast situation, the earthquakes, the absolute rebellion against Him...convinces me that we will witness His return.”
Dear Sister...indeed never (in my life) has it looked more like the “end times” (as I understand scripture) are approaching. IT IS CERTAIN FACT that the LORD JESUS will return as he said, but I cannot say with certainty it will be soon in our way of thinking. However, I propose dwelling on the day-to-day preparation of knowing that the Lord could call any of us home (death) at any time. We should always be “ready” to go home (I’m preaching to myself here) whether by death or the Lord’s return.
I’m 57 and remember how so many of us were convinced the Lord would return in 1988 because it was 40 years since the establishment of Israel....that is what many teachers of that time were saying. I think now, with age, to dwell on daily righteousness is more in line with what the Lord desires....however...we should always be looking forward to his return. In the mind of God it is imminent. God Bless!
By the way....what I am emphasizing is that we cannot go hid in bunkers waiting for Jesus to return. We DO NOT know when that will be. So, we have to carry on with one foot in this life and an eye towards the sky.
good post FRiend. Of course no one knows the date and anyone claiming to know an actual date (such as Harold Camping) should be called down.
But, with that said, we are witnessing prophecy unfolding right before our very eyes. Particularly regarding the middle east & Israel. Due to this President’s meddling the entire region is on fire and all are lining up against Israel.
The muslims have now advanced their position in all international affairs as well as here in the states...in 3 short years, the world has been changed dramatically and it is rushing headlong into the end.
That is just the middle east situation. Combine that with the absolute open rebellion against God, the complete evil that we see on display daily, it is obvious to anyone watching, the Lord’s return may very well happen in our lifetime (I’m a bit behind you @ 52..but now remember the 1988 prediction...I had forgotten that).
In addition we’ve got the ‘globalization’ of markets becoming more solidified and the currency is becoming increasingly unstable.
And finally, as previously mentioned, the earthquakes and natural signs that are occurring all point to one thing:
His Return. It’s both frightening and exciting to witness the events taking place.
How ironic your comment. I realize you meant "bleeding" in the Brit slang sense; but I couldn't help thinking that if male-to-female trannies actually had to have menstrual periods, not even to mention childbirth labor, there would be a lot fewer of them.
LOL very good point