Subtle acts reshape military society amid [DADT] repeal

Yahoooooo!... ^ | 09-17-2011 | By JULIE WATSON

[Red Badger]

SAN DIEGO (AP) — Night-long celebrations will mark the final countdown to the historic end of the U.S. military's ban on openly gay troops, and even more partying will take place once it is lifted Tuesday. But in many ways change is already here.

Countless subtle acts over the past months have been reshaping the military's staunchly traditional society in preparation for the U.S. armed forces' biggest policy shift in decades. Supporters of repeal compare it to the racial de-segregation of troops more than 60 years ago.

For some gay service members, the fear of discovery and reprisals dissipated months ago when a federal court halted all investigations and discharge proceedings under "don't ask, don't tell," while military leaders prepared the armed services for its end.

Several have come out to their peers and commanders.

A few have since placed photographs of their same-sex partners on their desks and attended military barbecues and softball games with their significant others. In San Diego, about 200 active-duty personnel — both gay and heterosexual — made up the nation's first military contingency to participate in a Gay Pride march this summer, carrying banners identifying their branches of service. An Army soldier had tears, saying she was touched by the thousands cheering them on, after hiding her identity for so long.

[NotTallTex]

This is the progressives biggest achievement so far in the culture war. I will be surprised if if did not create havoc in the ranks, especially when gay officers have dominion over strait enlisted men and women.

[Bean Counter]

[Red Badger]

With General Barney Frank bringing up the rear..........

[3Fingas]

I agree with you on this. We were asleep at the switch when we allowed MTV and Hollywood to brainwash our kids for the last 30 years into thinking that the homosexual lifestyle was a normal thing. In fact, they said it was such a normal thing that a certain portion of the population was genetically predisposed to such preferences. The young men and women who serve today grew up during this one-sided cultural onslaught and have been affected by it like everyone else -- maybe less so than the general youth population, but still affected.

Just about every program on TV today has a major character or plot line that is sympathetic to homosexuality. Traditional family values are almost always attacked or warped to fit this new paradigm. The only way for us to combat such corrosive influence in the future is for the conservative movement to develop its own "propaganda" arm. We must take ownership of major film studios and do more to carve out or segment in social media so that our message is heard. We need to have a multilayered approach to this message as does the left. When the left produces some filth they hope will influence young minds they rarely label it in an honest fashion. The don't call it anti-Christian or anti-family, the employ the more pleasing semantics of "inclusion", "personal freedom", "expanded definition of marriage and family structure", etc.

People, we have to be smarter about this cultural war. Let's face it. The "Church Lady" approach to moral instruction isn't going to get us very far. We must have media that get our message across with varying degrees of subtlety. We have many overtly Christian outlets and they do a fine job of getting our message across to an audience that is already receptive to such ideas. But, what we need more of are filmmakers and artists who can carefully and seamlessly insert traditional morals into film and music. These films and musical recordings, should have plot lines and characters infused and imbued with the values we hold dear such as patriotism, traditional family life, and with, varying degrees of explicitness, belief in God.

I know many of you would rather sermonize to our lost youth directly from the Bible. I applaud and congratulate you on what success you have had with this approach. However, for us to turn the tide in this cultural war, we have to take a page from our enemy. We must employ a multilayered media approach.

[little jeremiah]

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Allowing mentally ill sex perverts in the military is nothing less than extremely destructive in every way. Hopefullly the next president and Congress will overturn this and go back to the days of "ask and if the answer is wrong, out the door".

[manc]

the first thing for the new President is to say allowing openly serving homosexuals has not worked, the data we got before this was ruled in was not done in a proper way and on the advice of the majority in the military I have decided to stop this and go back to how it was. As a vet I see no reason why I am forced to share showers, do survival training with a homosexual or even be told I have to go point because my officer does not want to put a guy who he fancies in harms way or give them a promotion over me or anyone else. Then they repeal Govt health care and the move onto all the other idiotic new laws this socialist has put into place

[manc]

I now have become the last person in my family to have served as my boys now will not be joining unless we get a President who has guts to overturn this madness.

[manc]

Agreed
I served in a combat unit and we were given a woman to see if she could keep up etc and then give our report back to higher command.

We were doing Arctic training and mountain training in north Norway in the Arctic under AMF/L which is a part of NATO.

What a complete farce it all was, we had guys on the patrols doing more work to make up for her, we had a couple of guys flirting all the time instead of doing the job and because of her one guy lost half of his finger through frost bite as he had to look after her.

We gave our report back after 3 months of this and did higher command listen, did they hell.

Now we have homosexual parties on base and men walking around in bleeding dresses.

[manc]

the USMJ has not been repealed and therefore homosexuals if caught in the Marines should be kicked out by Marine law.

[manc]

good points but let me point this out please.

Ever sat down to watch TV and you get a PG or 18 message along with contains graphic language, graphic sex etc.

Now why do we not get a message saying homosexuality as I am fed up of watching a movie etc and then seeing a queer prancing about as if this was normal and even worse I have to educate my kids about what the media is doing and how they are trying to make you think this illness is normal and should be accepted.

[3Fingas]

The people that produce TV and movies think that homosexual behavior is normal, so why would they even consider put a warning label on it? The thought would be as alien to them as Algebra would be to the head-hunters of Borneo. By their way of thinking, they would be more inclined to have a warning saying, "This program contains a graphic depiction of religiously-observant Americans practicing their backward beliefs. This program may be too disturbing to progressive individuals." That's how warped they are and how upside-down everything has become in our culture.

No, the only way to avoid this corruption is to create our own media sources and carve out our domain in cyberspace.

[Steely Tom]

This is the progressives biggest achievement so far in the culture war. I will be surprised if if did not create havoc in the ranks, especially when gay officers have dominion over strait enlisted men and women.

If the Catholic church organization is any guide, gays will consolidate in certain bases or commands, attempt to "convert" the straights they can, and drive out those they can't. As gays infliltrate the command structure, we will see whole bases, wings, or ships/subs become "pink," with cover-ups orchestrated from above.

The potential for trouble is virtually unlimited. For example, think of the consequences for international relations and the reputation of the United States military when some of the "pink" units are sent overseas to perform "humanitarian" or "nation building" missions.

[little jeremiah]

This must be repealed when the next President takes office. It fags continue to be allowed in the military (plus the other horrors Zero and his pals have inflicted on us), then our country is over. Finished.

[little jeremiah]

Thanks for your boots on the ground report, manc.

Everything you describe is the truth. Women, what to speak of homosexuals, do not belong in the military. If women want to be in the military that’s fine, but in their own service branches, the way it used to be.

[Sola Veritas]

“Shameful..can anyone imagine what General Patton would say?”

Patton was a great warrior & general. However, he wasn’t a paragon of sexual moral virtue. It is well known he cheated on his wife. Whatever, he would be extremely upset because he would see it as a break down in discipline....which is(from a purely secular view) the real issue. In the military of today there is already serious issues with hetereosexual misconduct that hurts discipline and morale....we don’t need the homosexual issues thrown in.

Hopefully, IF a morally conservative POTUS is elected, that person could start moving things back away from open homosexuality. Although, I don’t see anyone with the guts to expend political capital on the issue while the economy is in the tank. Really very sad state of affairs.

[Outlaw Woman]

Even if a ‘morally conservative’ takes office, the tide has turned to the extent that I do not believe it can be reversed.

I have hope, I have faith and I’m optimistic...but those feelings do not apply to this world. They are derived out of the knowledge that Christ Himself is going to rectify the injustices of this world; and the fact that we will witness that in our lifetime.

[Sola Veritas]

“Christ Himself is going to rectify the injustices of this world”

Amen! He will. Will it be in my lifetime, I cannot say, but I know it WILL happen in His own good time.

[Outlaw Woman]

Absolutely! We have faith in things ‘unseen’.

jimho, the times are pointing to that wonderful moment. The mideast situation, the earthquakes, the absolute rebellion against Him...convinces me that we will witness His return.

If not, I rest easy in the assurance that it will happen (justice)

[Sola Veritas]

“The mideast situation, the earthquakes, the absolute rebellion against Him...convinces me that we will witness His return.”

Dear Sister...indeed never (in my life) has it looked more like the “end times” (as I understand scripture) are approaching. IT IS CERTAIN FACT that the LORD JESUS will return as he said, but I cannot say with certainty it will be soon in our way of thinking. However, I propose dwelling on the day-to-day preparation of knowing that the Lord could call any of us home (death) at any time. We should always be “ready” to go home (I’m preaching to myself here) whether by death or the Lord’s return.

I’m 57 and remember how so many of us were convinced the Lord would return in 1988 because it was 40 years since the establishment of Israel....that is what many teachers of that time were saying. I think now, with age, to dwell on daily righteousness is more in line with what the Lord desires....however...we should always be looking forward to his return. In the mind of God it is imminent. God Bless!

By the way....what I am emphasizing is that we cannot go hid in bunkers waiting for Jesus to return. We DO NOT know when that will be. So, we have to carry on with one foot in this life and an eye towards the sky.

[Outlaw Woman]

good post FRiend. Of course no one knows the date and anyone claiming to know an actual date (such as Harold Camping) should be called down.

But, with that said, we are witnessing prophecy unfolding right before our very eyes. Particularly regarding the middle east & Israel. Due to this President’s meddling the entire region is on fire and all are lining up against Israel.

The muslims have now advanced their position in all international affairs as well as here in the states...in 3 short years, the world has been changed dramatically and it is rushing headlong into the end.

That is just the middle east situation. Combine that with the absolute open rebellion against God, the complete evil that we see on display daily, it is obvious to anyone watching, the Lord’s return may very well happen in our lifetime (I’m a bit behind you @ 52..but now remember the 1988 prediction...I had forgotten that).

In addition we’ve got the ‘globalization’ of markets becoming more solidified and the currency is becoming increasingly unstable.

And finally, as previously mentioned, the earthquakes and natural signs that are occurring all point to one thing:
His Return. It’s both frightening and exciting to witness the events taking place.