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Food and stability in North Korea: Deprive and rule
Economist ^ | 09/17/11

Posted on 09/18/2011 3:06:34 AM PDT by TigerLikesRooster

Food and stability in North Korea

Deprive and rule

Why does North Korea’s dictatorship remain so entrenched despite causing such hunger and misery?

Sep 17th 2011 | SEOUL |

IF NOBODY else, at least Kim Jong Il, North Korea’s leader, appears to have found something to fill his belly with during the annual Chuseok harvest festival in North Korea this week. “His face beaming with a smile,” as his propaganda machine put it, he dropped into a shop in Pyongyang selling pancakes stuffed with meat.

Outside the capital there are few such treats. Much of the rest of the country is suffering a severe food shortage, say aid agencies. On September 9th the UN’s World Food Programme released video images from a trip to the North Korean countryside showing listless orphans, their growth stunted by malnourishment. A cold start to the growing season and summer flooding has badly damaged rice and maize crops. Potato rations have been cut by a third, to two a person each day.

Mr Kim’s regime, with customary cynicism, has told people to “simplify” their dining habits at Chuseok this year “in the socialist way,” according to DailyNK, a Seoul-based online news agency. Yet in his parallel universe, Mr Kim boasted of the variety of beef, pork, goose and turkey available to the privileged customers of the pancake shop. How does he get away with it? Loosely, that is the question posed by North Korea-watchers trying to understand how an odious regime has remained stable for so long, defying frequent predictions of its downfall.

(Excerpt) Read more at economist.com ...


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: food; foodsupply; gloriesofcommunism; nkorea; norks; populationcontrol; uprising
One of the likely scenarios is that N. Korea breaks into a few pieces, each steadily detaching itself from central government and going autonomous. The government in Pyongyang may run out of resources(manpower included) to keep provinces under its control.

The regime may end up controling only a pocket of region around Pyongyang and its western corridor northward to China.

Of course, a scenario with better odds is that powerstruggle goes out of control in Pyongyang, leading to coup or military confrontation with S. Korea, before ruling elites allow the provinces to break off.

1 posted on 09/18/2011 3:06:39 AM PDT by TigerLikesRooster
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To: TigerLikesRooster; AmericanInTokyo; Steel Wolf; nuconvert; MizSterious; nw_arizona_granny; ...

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2 posted on 09/18/2011 3:08:35 AM PDT by TigerLikesRooster (The way to crush the bourgeois is to grind them between the millstones of taxation and inflation)
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To: TigerLikesRooster
Mr Kim’s regime, with customary cynicism, has told people to “simplify” their dining habits at Chuseok this year “in the socialist way,”

Sounds like any one of Moochell's food initiatives

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3 posted on 09/18/2011 3:21:49 AM PDT by Elle Bee
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To: TigerLikesRooster

I’m hoping for a “train wreck” that wipes out the top echelon of rulers.

Maybe multiple train wrecks.


4 posted on 09/18/2011 3:22:58 AM PDT by Tainan (Cogito, Ergo Conservitus.)
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To: TigerLikesRooster

Interesting article, thanks for posting.


5 posted on 09/18/2011 3:26:23 AM PDT by Anti-Bubba182
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To: TigerLikesRooster

“How does he get away with it? Loosely, that is the question posed by North Korea-watchers trying to understand how an odious regime has remained stable for so long, defying frequent predictions of its downfall.”

He gets away with it because their are a host of military leaders who benefit from his policies. I doubt they’d allow the provinces to break off though, it would weaken them too much.


6 posted on 09/18/2011 3:47:29 AM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: driftdiver

He gets away with it because we are idiots. Cut medical and food aid to him tomorrow and freeze his bank accounts, next sunday he will threaten to nuke us and the folowing sunday he will give ip everything.

We have enough cojones to put 25k troops in harms way but not enough cojones to divert those flights to a nuke ravaged Japan.


7 posted on 09/18/2011 3:56:02 AM PDT by EQAndyBuzz (Sarahcuda in 2012. Nothing but Net!!!)
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To: TigerLikesRooster

the Norks will crash and burn one way or another. I don’t think it will peaceful either..


8 posted on 09/18/2011 3:56:35 AM PDT by vanilla swirl (We are the Patrick Henry we have been waiting for!)
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To: TigerLikesRooster

Liberals admire socialism. For some reason they think everyone would be content to suffer together in the US. They’re convinced that under socialism in the US the leaders would never be like Kim and no one would ever steal from anyone else; crime would disappear. How does anyone live in such chosen ignorance?


9 posted on 09/18/2011 3:58:02 AM PDT by whatshotandwhatsnot (Islam wants you dead.)
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To: EQAndyBuzz

“and the folowing sunday he will give ip everything.”

The next Sunday he’ll start a war in the region.

What flights would we divert to nuke ravaged Japan and why would we? THere was other help sent to Japan, as much as Japan asked for.


10 posted on 09/18/2011 4:03:48 AM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: driftdiver

My point was we shouldn’t be helping our enemies.


11 posted on 09/18/2011 4:46:24 AM PDT by EQAndyBuzz (Sarahcuda in 2012. Nothing but Net!!!)
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To: EQAndyBuzz

Easily agreed upon.

Its a tough decision though, let millions of people starve or send some grain.


12 posted on 09/18/2011 4:50:02 AM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: EQAndyBuzz
Re post 7. I like that. Asymmetric warfare.

1. Bring the troops home, save billions of dollars AND seem like the US wants peace.

2. Meanwhile harass this bastard at every turn. Recon flights with fighter escorts up to and into Nork airspace.

3. Encourage the South Koreans to begin commando raids on strategic targets.

4. Drone or cruise missle attacks on strategic targets.

5. Stop all aid immediately.

6. Sever road and rail links to communist China.

7. Bomb them with counterfeit Nork currency.

Two can play the games they have been playing. Of course, don't expect any of this during Obama's regime.

13 posted on 09/18/2011 4:57:46 AM PDT by Former Proud Canadian (We .. have a purpose .. no longer to please every dictator with a vote at the UN. PM Harper)
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The South Koreans really don’t need us there anymore. I think that their fairly impressive military can defeat these nutritionally-deprived zombies if it came down to it. That is... if the South Koreans have gotten too soft in the intervening 20 years or so since I last trained with them.


14 posted on 09/18/2011 5:27:38 AM PDT by 3Fingas ( Sons and Daughters of Freedom, Committee of Correspondence)
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To: 3Fingas

The first 24 hours would see most of Seoul destroyed.


15 posted on 09/18/2011 5:37:03 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks (I want a Triple A president for our Triple A country)
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To: Eric in the Ozarks

That’s why we would have to nuke them. Obama would never give that order, however. Our nation and our allies are in peril until he leaves the White House.


16 posted on 09/18/2011 5:42:33 AM PDT by Conservative Vet
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To: Eric in the Ozarks

Well, that is a bit of a problem. Kind of silly to have their capital so close to the border. But, seriously, if they could survive the first volley, the North Koreans would eventually collapse...would be downright messy I am sure.


17 posted on 09/18/2011 5:47:05 AM PDT by 3Fingas ( Sons and Daughters of Freedom, Committee of Correspondence)
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To: TigerLikesRooster
This was an interesting piece

One wonders how control of the rural areas can be maintained if the rail roads and other transport is so bad.

Then there is the 3/5ths urban thought. How could anyone, especially the UN think such a thing?


18 posted on 09/18/2011 5:48:00 AM PDT by bert (K.E. N.P. +12 ....Rats carry plague)
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To: Conservative Vet

Yeah their leaders are demented and starving the population. Lets nuke em until they glow!!!


19 posted on 09/18/2011 6:04:34 AM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: 3Fingas

“But, seriously, if they could survive the first volley, the North Koreans would eventually collapse...would be downright messy I am sure.”

Thats one way to describe the deaths of 15-20 million people.


20 posted on 09/18/2011 6:06:31 AM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: driftdiver

Oh, I hope it never happens. I don’t ever want to hear of war over there. In fact, I think the North Koreans will eventually collapse on their own — a lot quicker if the Chinese ever tire of their irrational client state.


21 posted on 09/18/2011 6:17:10 AM PDT by 3Fingas ( Sons and Daughters of Freedom, Committee of Correspondence)
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To: driftdiver

Don’t mind helping humanity. It’s the right thing to do. But when our own government is starving us in order to support an ideology most are against, I have to draw the line.

Our country serves all of humanity more when we are prosperous.


22 posted on 09/18/2011 6:20:32 AM PDT by EQAndyBuzz (Sarahcuda in 2012. Nothing but Net!!!)
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To: 3Fingas
... if the South Koreans have gotten too soft in the intervening 20 years or so since I last trained with them.

Nope. They were ready, willing, and able to defend their country when I was there 10 years ago. Considerable upgrades to the Command and Control systems while I was there.

23 posted on 09/18/2011 6:34:29 AM PDT by Traveler59 ( Truth is a journey, not a destination.)
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To: Traveler59

Do you think we still need to be there, then? If so, in what capacity?


24 posted on 09/18/2011 6:37:58 AM PDT by 3Fingas ( Sons and Daughters of Freedom, Committee of Correspondence)
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25 posted on 09/18/2011 7:16:06 AM PDT by Bean Counter (Obama got mostly Ds and Fs all through college and law school. Keep repeating it.....)
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To: TigerLikesRooster

THank you for the article, TigerLIkesRooster. Bump


26 posted on 09/18/2011 8:01:41 AM PDT by TEXOKIE (Anarchy IS the strategy of the forces of darkness!)
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To: TigerLikesRooster

Another progressive running a socialist paradise that turned into a dictatorship designed to enrich the former progressive. How rare. It only has happened every time. They should pick up their guns and throw the rat out. Oh, they can’t, the progressive has all the guns. Wonder why our progressives are so hot on getting rid of private firearms?


27 posted on 09/18/2011 8:07:31 AM PDT by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: TigerLikesRooster

North Korea - the ongoing diet reality show.


28 posted on 09/18/2011 8:30:56 AM PDT by GnuHere
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To: EQAndyBuzz
I don't think Kim is giving anything up without a fight.

Just last year at Yeonpyeong Island, he demonstrated the North's willingness to shell civilians with no qualms about a first strike. All for not getting the most trivial of demands met. About 200 shells were fired at the Island in 30-40 minutes. The South took 15 minutes to start firing back and only responded with one third of the firepower.

That regime knows it can only be altered with overwhelming, unwavering force. If Kim feels truly threatened, they will decimate the South's big population centers in hours. Yeonpyeong is a sparsely populated island with 1500 people and 1-2 story buildings. That was only a message. The real attack will hit high-rise metropolises with far greater firepower. The devastation would surpass nearly everything we've seen in WWII.

I'm fairly certain the North has other asymmetric warfare capabilities that we won't hear about from our government until it's too late. Things like biological weapons and sleeper agents hiding in the cities of their enemies.

Modern wars will essentially be years of stalemate punctuated by days of complete devastation whenever a move is made. Strange times are ahead...

29 posted on 09/18/2011 11:06:26 AM PDT by varyouga
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"THank you for the article, TigerLIkesRooster. Bump"

I agree wholeheartedly! TigerLikesRooster, you perform an invaluable service by keeping FR updated on things in the DPRK and ROK!

Thank you very much for all you do for us FReepers!!!

30 posted on 09/18/2011 12:12:34 PM PDT by TXnMA ("Allah": Satan's current alias...)
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To: TigerLikesRooster

Bump.


31 posted on 09/18/2011 4:07:32 PM PDT by rdl6989 (January 20, 2013 The end of an error.)
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