Skip to comments.Food and stability in North Korea: Deprive and rule
Posted on 09/18/2011 3:06:34 AM PDT by TigerLikesRooster
Food and stability in North Korea
Deprive and rule
Why does North Koreas dictatorship remain so entrenched despite causing such hunger and misery?
Sep 17th 2011 | SEOUL |
IF NOBODY else, at least Kim Jong Il, North Koreas leader, appears to have found something to fill his belly with during the annual Chuseok harvest festival in North Korea this week. His face beaming with a smile, as his propaganda machine put it, he dropped into a shop in Pyongyang selling pancakes stuffed with meat.
Outside the capital there are few such treats. Much of the rest of the country is suffering a severe food shortage, say aid agencies. On September 9th the UNs World Food Programme released video images from a trip to the North Korean countryside showing listless orphans, their growth stunted by malnourishment. A cold start to the growing season and summer flooding has badly damaged rice and maize crops. Potato rations have been cut by a third, to two a person each day.
Mr Kims regime, with customary cynicism, has told people to simplify their dining habits at Chuseok this year in the socialist way, according to DailyNK, a Seoul-based online news agency. Yet in his parallel universe, Mr Kim boasted of the variety of beef, pork, goose and turkey available to the privileged customers of the pancake shop. How does he get away with it? Loosely, that is the question posed by North Korea-watchers trying to understand how an odious regime has remained stable for so long, defying frequent predictions of its downfall.
(Excerpt) Read more at economist.com ...
The regime may end up controling only a pocket of region around Pyongyang and its western corridor northward to China.
Of course, a scenario with better odds is that powerstruggle goes out of control in Pyongyang, leading to coup or military confrontation with S. Korea, before ruling elites allow the provinces to break off.
Sounds like any one of Moochell's food initiatives
I’m hoping for a “train wreck” that wipes out the top echelon of rulers.
Maybe multiple train wrecks.
Interesting article, thanks for posting.
“How does he get away with it? Loosely, that is the question posed by North Korea-watchers trying to understand how an odious regime has remained stable for so long, defying frequent predictions of its downfall.”
He gets away with it because their are a host of military leaders who benefit from his policies. I doubt they’d allow the provinces to break off though, it would weaken them too much.
He gets away with it because we are idiots. Cut medical and food aid to him tomorrow and freeze his bank accounts, next sunday he will threaten to nuke us and the folowing sunday he will give ip everything.
We have enough cojones to put 25k troops in harms way but not enough cojones to divert those flights to a nuke ravaged Japan.
the Norks will crash and burn one way or another. I don’t think it will peaceful either..
Liberals admire socialism. For some reason they think everyone would be content to suffer together in the US. They’re convinced that under socialism in the US the leaders would never be like Kim and no one would ever steal from anyone else; crime would disappear. How does anyone live in such chosen ignorance?
“and the folowing sunday he will give ip everything.”
The next Sunday he’ll start a war in the region.
What flights would we divert to nuke ravaged Japan and why would we? THere was other help sent to Japan, as much as Japan asked for.
My point was we shouldn’t be helping our enemies.
Easily agreed upon.
Its a tough decision though, let millions of people starve or send some grain.
1. Bring the troops home, save billions of dollars AND seem like the US wants peace.
2. Meanwhile harass this bastard at every turn. Recon flights with fighter escorts up to and into Nork airspace.
3. Encourage the South Koreans to begin commando raids on strategic targets.
4. Drone or cruise missle attacks on strategic targets.
5. Stop all aid immediately.
6. Sever road and rail links to communist China.
7. Bomb them with counterfeit Nork currency.
Two can play the games they have been playing. Of course, don't expect any of this during Obama's regime.
The South Koreans really don’t need us there anymore. I think that their fairly impressive military can defeat these nutritionally-deprived zombies if it came down to it. That is... if the South Koreans have gotten too soft in the intervening 20 years or so since I last trained with them.
The first 24 hours would see most of Seoul destroyed.
That’s why we would have to nuke them. Obama would never give that order, however. Our nation and our allies are in peril until he leaves the White House.
Well, that is a bit of a problem. Kind of silly to have their capital so close to the border. But, seriously, if they could survive the first volley, the North Koreans would eventually collapse...would be downright messy I am sure.
One wonders how control of the rural areas can be maintained if the rail roads and other transport is so bad.
Then there is the 3/5ths urban thought. How could anyone, especially the UN think such a thing?
Yeah their leaders are demented and starving the population. Lets nuke em until they glow!!!
“But, seriously, if they could survive the first volley, the North Koreans would eventually collapse...would be downright messy I am sure.”
Thats one way to describe the deaths of 15-20 million people.
Oh, I hope it never happens. I don’t ever want to hear of war over there. In fact, I think the North Koreans will eventually collapse on their own — a lot quicker if the Chinese ever tire of their irrational client state.
Don’t mind helping humanity. It’s the right thing to do. But when our own government is starving us in order to support an ideology most are against, I have to draw the line.
Our country serves all of humanity more when we are prosperous.
Nope. They were ready, willing, and able to defend their country when I was there 10 years ago. Considerable upgrades to the Command and Control systems while I was there.
Do you think we still need to be there, then? If so, in what capacity?
THank you for the article, TigerLIkesRooster. Bump
Another progressive running a socialist paradise that turned into a dictatorship designed to enrich the former progressive. How rare. It only has happened every time. They should pick up their guns and throw the rat out. Oh, they can’t, the progressive has all the guns. Wonder why our progressives are so hot on getting rid of private firearms?
North Korea - the ongoing diet reality show.
Just last year at Yeonpyeong Island, he demonstrated the North's willingness to shell civilians with no qualms about a first strike. All for not getting the most trivial of demands met. About 200 shells were fired at the Island in 30-40 minutes. The South took 15 minutes to start firing back and only responded with one third of the firepower.
That regime knows it can only be altered with overwhelming, unwavering force. If Kim feels truly threatened, they will decimate the South's big population centers in hours. Yeonpyeong is a sparsely populated island with 1500 people and 1-2 story buildings. That was only a message. The real attack will hit high-rise metropolises with far greater firepower. The devastation would surpass nearly everything we've seen in WWII.
I'm fairly certain the North has other asymmetric warfare capabilities that we won't hear about from our government until it's too late. Things like biological weapons and sleeper agents hiding in the cities of their enemies.
Modern wars will essentially be years of stalemate punctuated by days of complete devastation whenever a move is made. Strange times are ahead...
I agree wholeheartedly! TigerLikesRooster, you perform an invaluable service by keeping FR updated on things in the DPRK and ROK!
Thank you very much for all you do for us FReepers!!!