Skip to comments.The European dream lies in ruins (Must Read)
Posted on 09/18/2011 9:55:37 AM PDT by mojito
I have to say that even in my most apocalyptic Eurosceptic moments when I had moved on from thinking the federalist project simply preposterous to believing that it was criminal folly I never anticipated this. What I expected was growing disillusionment followed by an almost imperceptible unwinding which would be finessed with political double-talk and diplomatic duplicity. The implosion would come, but it would be with a whimper, not a bang. Faces would be saved and enormous numbers of lies would be told, and somehow the thing would be brought to an end or made so vestigial that it would no longer matter.
Well, so much for that idea. This is going to be huge: so cataclysmic that it may summon up forms of ugliness that we have not seen walking abroad in Western Europe for half a century.
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Can you guess which option the 0bama gang is siding with?
The European dream? I didn’t know there WAS any such thing as the European dream, other than “to have government spoon food into my mouth, and wipe my butt for me when it comes out.” The only reason I don’t hope Europeans all turn on each other and start a bloody war that leaves the entire continent in shambles is because I’m afraid a lot of cats and dogs would get hurt in the process. And some pretty old churches and museums. But modern-day Europeans are useless creatures as far as I can see. But I’m cranky today, it must be confessed.
There are three European dreams, actually, and they come in colors: Red, Black, and Brown.
It is Europeans' persisting and inexplicable fidelity to those dreams that has murdered more than 100 million people since 1789.
anyone who thinks the union is doomed is laboring under the illusion that people have a choice about their government.
Dream? It was a nightmare from the beginning. They just didn’t realize it.
I'm sorry, that allusion sailed clear over my head.
Can you elaborate on that, please?
I feel sheepish asking, but what do those colors represent? Socialism/Communism, Anarchy, and Facism?
And, the German People are adamant they will not fund more bailouts. (I say good for them).
The real risk here is not that "Europe" will continue to limp along without the bailouts, even losing a few countries to BK and banishment, but that the internal and external pressures on Germany will cause the German government to saddle the German people with more debt not their own.
Near as I remember, Germany has recently paid all their WWII debts and have been carrying huge debt burden since the end of the war...and since the end of the war before that.
Does ANYONE really think it's a good idea to IMPOSE additional debt on the German people so that Greek and Italian workers can take 6-8 weeks of vacation a year and retire when they are 50?
If "democracy" cannot keep it's promise to the German people, that it will do their will, will democracy survive in Germany?
No, it will not. Rightfully so.
Nothing would unite them so much as a common enemy.
Their Muslim invaders - breeding and agitating their way towards a unified Sharia Law Euro-State - would seem the most logical option, but Europe’s enlightened leaders would then need to jetison even further, even more cherished, sacred cows to get to that point.
Won’t happen. They’ll dither. They’ll fight each other. They’ll become converts, dimmis, or corpses - for which they’ve been practicing all along.
Voegelin spoke of immanentizing the eschaton -- creating Heaven on Earth.
Bad things happen when people try to do this.
We can send American cats and dogs to colonize the wreckage.
I agree with your assessment. Once so much power is consolidated at such a high level it is never relinquished without a long struggle and/or blood in the streets.
It amazes me that more people do not see (or accept) the similarities between the tyranny of the EU and what has, and is, happening right here in the USA.
This is Europa and Oceana in the twenty first century.
The EU government organizations are killing the individuality, character and Independence of the European countries just as our federal government has usurped the autonomy and constitutional powers of our states.
You might say that our federal government Royalty has shown the EU Masters the way to subvert individual rights to the putative good of the collective.
Just imagine how bad off Europe would be if they had to pay and provide for their own defense?
It all comes down to who buys the food, shelter, power, and gadgets that keep modern urban life livable. Once people have built tools that replace labor, what labor is there to do other than maintenance, service, and entertainment of those who OWN the means of production? There can only be so many toolmakers and the German middle class is holding much of that role. Yet as anyone who has seen IT go to India knows, that's only temporary.
Hence, once labor-saving tools and processes were exported to a slave army in China, the Western "working class" largely became superfluous. Once the Chinese come up to speed on toolmaking, so will go the middle class jobs as well. That massive government regulations only made domestic production less competitive only accelerated the process.
This is what cuts to heart of the justification for the bureaucratic state. Regulations exist to mitigate risks otherwise born or managed by the insurers of producers. When we export the production to a "come and get me" producer in China, they not only enjoy the margin of slave labor, they avoid all responsibility for the externalities of production, hazards of use, legal, or environmental. The Chinese are quite apparently willing to adsorb those costs, for now.
OTOH the bureaucratic state is inherently less efficient in managing those risks than a competitive insurance industry, never mind more corrupt. So as long as we socialize those risks because of our outrageous legal overhead and the constant temptation of corruption, SOMEBODY will take advantage of that disparity in costs of production.
IMO, the only way to fix this is to return risk management to the marketplace. That means tort reform and insurance deregulation in a big way.
“Once so much power is consolidated at such a high level it is never relinquished without a long struggle and/or blood in the streets.”
But what does your statement imply for the future of the _U.S.A._, as well?
if you read the free chapters at the link you will go for the rest and be glad you did!
I liked it until “Is it beyond the bounds of imagination that we might see the Muslim minorities become the Jews of the 21st century?”
“Does ANYONE really think it’s a good idea to IMPOSE additional debt on the German people so that Greek and Italian workers can take 6-8 weeks of vacation a year and retire when they are 50?”
Does ANYONE really think it’s a good idea to IMPOSE additional debt on the AMERICAN people so that GOVERNMENT workers can take 6-8 weeks of vacation a year and retire when they are 50?
Think and act locally. Government entities near you, cities, school districts, counties and states face this issue.
Entitlements are one thing, and government pay, benefits and pensions are another.
I see the fact Americans are going to be asked to work longer (or until they die or cannot work), so government workers can retire as fat cats at 50 or 55.
You’re right. It’s a foolish comment that somewhat mars a generally excellent analysis.
The establishment of the EU is based on a socialist ideology.
As such, just like past and present socialist/communist ideologies (Hitler, Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot and now Obama) the first enemy of socialism, Christianity, will have to be removed by whatever means available.
That is the reason that Islam is getting a free reign in Europe and the US.
That is the precise analogy I intended.
There's a world-wide competition between the productive class and the parasite class. Only the "Social Contract" in the various countries and between countries keeps the lid on things.
When the parasite class holds the reigns of power, and they cannot be dislodged by political means, it is INEVITABLE that the productive class...who controls all of the REAL MEANS, dislodge them by force.
Here's another way to look at it: The class of people who traditionally hold all power...the monied land owners and merchants of the mid-1700's in America decided to be magnanimous and allow a far greater number of people to participate in state decisions. They also constructed a legal framework that would protect all, equally (granted, they did not address slavery or womens' rights). It was the greatest distribution of state power in the history of man.
In exchange for that transfer they got the Bill of Rights and a Constitutionally limited government.
A Republic based in Law.
With the (d)emocratic changes that have emerged over the last 150 years along with the wholesale disregard for the Law and Constitution, who could blame those traditional power holders for abolishing the USA "Social Contract" due to Breach of Contract?
Those traditional holders of power are productive males who own property.
There's about 50 million of them in the USA. And, they CARRY EVERYONE ELSE.
How very un-PC of you! Absolutely correct though.
Thanks for the link.
This is our chance to determine what the natural order of things should be. Our children will thank us if we decide right.
such a classic.
It looks like, once again, a Balkan nation (Greece) screws it up for the rest of Europe.
Things would be much better if the Balkans, as a group, were run by more responsible nations.
Well said. *VERY* well said... an it bears repeating.
You know, I only first saw a Janet Daly piece here at FR a few weeks ago and I am thoroughly impressed by this woman. She is a terrific thinker and writer. If you have a ping list for her columns, kindly add me to it.
Oops, I misspelled her name - it’s Daley, with an ‘e’.
Anyway, here is a page with links to many of her recent columns, several of which I read and heartily recommend. (especially the August 6th column).
That's true, and it goes double for Arabia. And can you imagine if all Islam had to answer to one spiritual and temporal authority?
Wait! I have an idea!
I would hope that European and American leaders have read their history...and recognize the utter foolishness of saddling Germany with OTHERS debt. They nearly destroyed the world with their own debts the last time around.
I don’t have a ping list for Janet Daley, although I do often read her columns and post them on occasion.
The Telegraph has a number of columnists who are excellent and whom I read regularly.