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Republicans dodge the real lesson of Solyndra
The Washington Examiner ^ | Sept. 19, 2011 | Timothy P. Carney

Posted on 09/19/2011 4:29:09 AM PDT by EternalVigilance

In Republican-leaning circles in Washington, the question of the moment has been "Does this Solyndra thing have legs?" -- in other words, will the news media keep running stories on the subsidized, politically connected solar power company that just went bankrupt?

When Republicans ask this question, they mean, "Will this significantly detract from President Obama's re-election chances?"

The brief answer is: Probably not, because too many Republicans are asking the wrong questions and drawing the wrong conclusions.

(Excerpt) Read more at campaign2012.washingtonexaminer.com ...


TOPICS: Editorial; Government
KEYWORDS: bho2012; corruption; greenjobs; lessons; socialism; solyndra; taxpayerfunding
Carney leaves the key sentence for last: "Republicans could fairly use the Solyndra flap to highlight Obama's corporatism -- if only they weren't guilty of the same sort of thing."
1 posted on 09/19/2011 4:29:16 AM PDT by EternalVigilance
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To: EternalVigilance

Solyndra’s different because the taxpayers were moved behind the investors, thereby making it outright theft of taxpayer monies.


2 posted on 09/19/2011 4:33:46 AM PDT by wayoverontheright
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To: EternalVigilance

The RinoCracy I’m sure has hundreds IF NOT thousands of “Solyndras” ove the last 30-40 years. NOBODY in DC wants to go there.....and nobody will unless We the People rub their noses in it....


3 posted on 09/19/2011 4:34:27 AM PDT by mo
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To: mo

Yep.


4 posted on 09/19/2011 4:45:01 AM PDT by EternalVigilance ('Truth is the first object.' -- Thomas Jefferson)
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To: mo

Not unless you want to hear the left wailing about Enron, et al, all over again.


5 posted on 09/19/2011 5:24:16 AM PDT by OCCASparky (Steely-eyed killer of the deep.)
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To: EternalVigilance
Carney leaves the key sentence for last: "Republicans could fairly use the Solyndra flap to highlight Obama's corporatism -- if only they weren't guilty of the same sort of thing."

Did the chairman of Southern Power donate hundreds of thousands, like the chairman of solyndra did to obama in order to influence the loan process?

I'm sure the pubbies are involved in crony capitalism, but obama is blatant, corrupt and doesn't pick winners and losers, he just picks losers.

6 posted on 09/19/2011 5:45:44 AM PDT by USS Alaska (Nuke the terrorist savages.)
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To: EternalVigilance

Ask Carney to provide examples of a similar headlong rush by Republicans into loan guarantees to a company despite repeated red flags that the company had viability issues.


7 posted on 09/19/2011 6:03:50 AM PDT by randita (Obama - chains you can bereave in.)
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To: EternalVigilance

I thought a key part of the Solyndra scandal is that it is Exhibit A on why government should not be in the business of picking and choosing businesses to support. They usually are wrong, overpay, and leave the taxpayers holding the bills. Surely, that is something the GOP could drive home.


8 posted on 09/19/2011 6:08:02 AM PDT by BookmanTheJanitor
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To: EternalVigilance

One question that must be asked.How much of that $500 million Gov.loan did that big money bundler for obama put in his pocket before the company went under.


9 posted on 09/19/2011 6:20:38 AM PDT by painter (No wonder democrats don't mind taxes.THEY DON'T PAY THEM !)
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To: EternalVigilance
The massive difference, carefully concealed by the Obot propaganda agents in the Junk Media, the WH own analysis said Solyndra was a bad business model that was going to fail yet the 0bots went ahead with the deal for political and ideological reasons.

But of course, we have come to realize that the 3rd party pimps agenda here is to divert any attention off Present-ident 0's complete failure as President.

The third party pimps in the fringe media are 0's most effective propaganda bots.

10 posted on 09/19/2011 6:41:14 AM PDT by MNJohnnie (Giving more money to DC to fix the Debt is like giving free drugs to addicts think it will cure them)
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To: randita
a similar headlong rush by Republican

But of course the third party pimps cannot be bothered with little things like factual accuracy and intellectual honesty when it gets in the way of their holy cause to cover 0's PR flank.

11 posted on 09/19/2011 6:43:52 AM PDT by MNJohnnie (Giving more money to DC to fix the Debt is like giving free drugs to addicts think it will cure them)
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To: mo
The RinoCracy I’m sure has hundreds IF NOT thousands of “Solyndra

Nice you have feelings. Unfortunately your feelings are wonderfully ignorant of any factual accuracy.

Feelings are not facts, learn the difference.

12 posted on 09/19/2011 6:45:08 AM PDT by MNJohnnie (Giving more money to DC to fix the Debt is like giving free drugs to addicts think it will cure them)
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To: MNJohnnie

Not Yours To Give

Col. David Crockett
US Representative from Tennessee

Originally published in "The Life of Colonel David Crockett,"
by Edward Sylvester Ellis.


One day in the House of Representatives a bill was taken up appropriating money for the benefit of a widow of a distinguished naval officer. Several beautiful speeches had been made in its support. The Speaker was just about to put the question when Crockett arose:

"Mr. Speaker--I have as much respect for the memory of the deceased, and as much sympathy for the sufferings of the living, if suffering there be, as any man in this House, but we must not permit our respect for the dead or our sympathy for a part of the living to lead us into an act of injustice to the balance of the living. I will not go into an argument to prove that Congress has not the power to appropriate this money as an act of charity. Every member upon this floor knows it. We have the right, as individuals, to give away as much of our own money as we please in charity; but as members of Congress we have no right so to appropriate a dollar of the public money. Some eloquent appeals have been made to us upon the ground that it is a debt due the deceased. Mr. Speaker, the deceased lived long after the close of the war; he was in office to the day of his death, and I have never heard that the government was in arrears to him.

"Every man in this House knows it is not a debt. We cannot, without the grossest corruption, appropriate this money as the payment of a debt. We have not the semblance of authority to appropriate it as charity. Mr. Speaker, I have said we have the right to give as much money of our own as we please. I am the poorest man on this floor. I cannot vote for this bill, but I will give one week's pay to the object, and if every member of Congress will do the same, it will amount to more than the bill asks."

He took his seat. Nobody replied. The bill was put upon its passage, and, instead of passing unanimously, as was generally supposed, and as, no doubt, it would, but for that speech, it received but few votes, and, of course, was lost.

Later, when asked by a friend why he had opposed the appropriation, Crockett gave this explanation:

"Several years ago I was one evening standing on the steps of the Capitol with some other members of Congress, when our attention was attracted by a great light over in Georgetown. It was evidently a large fire. We jumped into a hack and drove over as fast as we could. In spite of all that could be done, many houses were burned and many families made houseless, and, besides, some of them had lost all but the clothes they had on. The weather was very cold, and when I saw so many women and children suffering, I felt that something ought to be done for them. The next morning a bill was introduced appropriating $20,000 for their relief. We put aside all other business and rushed it through as soon as it could be done.

"The next summer, when it began to be time to think about election, I concluded I would take a scout around among the boys of my district. I had no opposition there, but, as the election was some time off, I did not know what might turn up. When riding one day in a part of my district in which I was more of a stranger than any other, I saw a man in a field plowing and coming toward the road. I gauged my gait so that we should meet as he came to the fence. As he came up, I spoke to the man. He replied politely, but, as I thought, rather coldly.

"I began: 'Well, friend, I am one of those unfortunate beings called
candidates, and---


"Yes I know you; you are Colonel Crockett. I have seen you once before, and voted for you the last time you were elected. I suppose you are out electioneering now, but you had better not waste your time or mine, I shall not vote for you again."

"This was a sockdolager...I begged him to tell me what was the matter.
" Well, Colonel, it is hardly worth-while to waste time or words upon it. I do not see how it can be mended, but you gave a vote last winter which shows that either you have not capacity to understand the Constitution, or that you are wanting in the honesty and firmness to be guided by it. In either case you are not the man to represent me. But I beg your pardon for expressing it in that way. I did not intend to avail myself of the privilege of the constituent to speak plainly to a candidate for the purpose of insulting or wounding you. I intend by it only to say that your understanding of the Constitution is very different from mine; and I will say to you what, but for my rudeness, I should not have said, that I believe you to be honest.
But an understanding of the Constitution different from mine I cannot overlook, because the Constitution, to be worth anything, must be held sacred, and rigidly observed in all its provisions. The man who wields power and misinterprets it is the more dangerous the more honest he is.'

" 'I admit the truth of all you say, but there must be some mistake about it, for I do not remember that I gave any vote last winter upon any constitutional question.’
“ ‘No, Colonel, there’s no mistake. Though I live in the backwoods and seldom go from home, I take the papers from Washington and read very carefully all the proceedings of Congress. My papers say that last winter you voted for a bill to appropriate $20,000 to some sufferers by a fire in Georgetown. Is that true?

" Well, my friend; I may as well own up. You have got me there. But certainly nobody will complain that a great and rich country like ours should give the insignificant sum of $20,000 to relieve its suffering women and children, particularly with a full and overflowing Treasury, and I am sure, if you had been there, you would have done just as I did.'

" It is not the amount, Colonel, that I complain of; it is the principle. In the first place, the government ought to have in the Treasury no more than enough for its legitimate purposes. But that has nothing with the question. The power of collecting and disbursing money at pleasure is the most dangerous power that can be entrusted to man, particularly under our system of collecting revenue by a tariff, which reaches every man in the country, no matter how poor he may be, and the poorer he is the more he pays in proportion to his means. What is worse, it presses upon him without his knowledge where the weight centers, for there is not a man in the United States who can ever guess how much he pays to the government. So you see, that while you are contributing to relieve one, you are drawing it from thousands who are even worse off than he. If you had the right to give anything, the amount was simply a matter of discretion with you, and you had as much right to give $20,000,000 as $20,000. If you have the right to give to one, you have the right to give to all; and, as the Constitution neither defines charity nor stipulates the amount, you are at liberty to give to any and everything which you may believe, or profess to believe, is a charity, and to any amount you may think proper. You will very easily perceive what a wide door this would open for fraud and corruption and favoritism, on the one hand, and for robbing the people on the other. 'No, Colonel, Congress has no right to give charity. Individual members may give as much of their own money as they please, but they have no right to touch a dollar of the public money for that purpose. If twice as many houses had been burned in this county as in Georgetown, neither you nor any other member of Congress would have thought of appropriating a dollar for our relief. There are about two hundred and forty members of Congress. If they had shown their sympathy for the sufferers by contributing each one week's pay, it would have made over $13,000. There are plenty of wealthy men in and around Washington who could have given $20,000 without depriving themselves of even a luxury of life.' "The congressmen chose to keep their own money, which, if reports be true, some of them spend not very creditably; and the people about Washington, no doubt, applauded you for relieving them from the necessity of giving by giving what was not yours to give. The people have delegated to Congress, by the Constitution, the power to do certain things. To do these, it is authorized to collect and pay moneys, and for nothing else. Everything beyond this is usurpation, and a violation of the Constitution.'

" 'So you see, Colonel, you have violated the Constitution in what I consider a vital point. It is a precedent fraught with danger to the country, for when Congress once begins to stretch its power beyond the limits of the Constitution, there is no limit to it, and no security for the people. I have no doubt you acted honestly, but that does not make it any better, except as far as you are personally concerned, and you see that I cannot vote for you.'

"I tell you I felt streaked. I saw if I should have opposition, and this man should go to talking, he would set others to talking, and in that district I was a gone fawn-skin. I could not answer him, and the fact is, I was so fully convinced that he was right, I did not want to. But I must satisfy him, and I said to him:

" Well, my friend, you hit the nail upon the head when you said I had not sense enough to understand the Constitution. I intended to be guided by it, and thought I had studied it fully. I have heard many speeches in Congress about the powers of Congress, but what you have said here at your plow has got more hard, sound sense in it than all the fine speeches I ever heard. If I had ever taken the view of it that you have, I would have put my head into the fire before I would have given that vote; and if you will forgive me and vote for me again, if I ever vote for another unconstitutional law I wish I may be shot.'

"He laughingly replied; 'Yes, Colonel, you have sworn to that once before, but I will trust you again upon one condition. You say that you are convinced that your vote was wrong. Your acknowledgment of it will do more good than beating you for it. If, as you go around the district, you will tell people about this vote, and that you are satisfied it was wrong, I will not only vote for you, but will do what I can to keep down opposition, and, perhaps, I may exert some little influence in that way.'

" If I don't, said I, 'I wish I may be shot; and to convince you that I am in earnest in what I say I will come back this way in a week or ten days, and if you will get up a gathering of the people, I will make a speech to them. Get up a barbecue, and I will pay for it.'

" No, Colonel, we are not rich people in this section, but we have plenty of provisions to contribute for a barbecue, and some to spare for those who have none. The push of crops will be over in a few days, and we can then afford a day for a barbecue. This is Thursday; I will see to getting it up on Saturday week. Come to my house on Friday, and we will go together, and I promise you a very respectable crowd to see and hear you.

" 'Well, I will be here. But one thing more before I say good-bye. I must know your name.

" 'My name is Bunce.'

" 'Not Horatio Bunce?'

" 'Yes.’

" 'Well, Mr. Bunce, I never saw you before, though you say you have seen me, but I know you very well. I am glad I have met you, and very proud that I may hope to have you for my friend.'

"It was one of the luckiest hits of my life that I met him. He mingled but little with the public, but was widely known for his remarkable intelligence and incorruptible integrity,  and for a heart brimful and running over with kindness and benevolence, which showed themselves not only in words but in acts. He was the oracle of the whole country around him, and his fame had extended far beyond the circle of his immediate acquaintance. Though I had never met him, before, I had heard much of him, and but for this meeting it is very likely I should have had opposition, and had been beaten. One thing is very certain, no man could now stand up in that district under such a vote.

"At the appointed time I was at his house, having told our conversation to every crowd I had met, and to every man I stayed all night with, and I found that it gave the people an interest and a confidence in me stronger than I had ever seen manifested before.

"Though I was considerably fatigued when I reached his house, and, under ordinary circumstances, should have gone early to bed, I kept him up until midnight, talking about the principles and affairs of government, and got more real, true knowledge of them than I had got all my life before.

"I have known and seen much of him since, for I respect him - no, that is not the word - I reverence and love him more than any living man, and I go to see him two or three times every year; and I will tell you, sir, if every one who professes to be a Christian lived and acted and enjoyed it as he does, the religion of Christ would take the world by storm.

"But to return to my story. The next morning we went to the barbecue, and, to my surprise, found about a thousand men there. I met a good many whom I had not known before, and they and my friend introduced me around until I had got pretty well acquainted - at least, they all knew me.

"In due time notice was given that I would speak to them. They gathered up around a stand that had been erected. I opened my speech by saying:

" Fellow-citizens - I present myself before you today feeling like a new man. My eyes have lately been opened to truths which ignorance or prejudice, or both, had heretofore hidden from my view. I feel that I can today offer you the ability to render you more valuable service than I have ever been able to render before. I am here today more for the purpose of acknowledging my error than to seek your votes. That I should make this acknowledgment is due to myself as well as to you. Whether you will vote for me is a matter for your consideration only."

"I went on to tell them about the fire and my vote for the appropriation and then told them why I was satisfied it was wrong. I closed by saying:

" And now, fellow-citizens, it remains only for me to tell you that the most of the speech you have listened to with so much interest was simply a repetition of the arguments by which your neighbor, Mr. Bunce, convinced me of my error.

" It is the best speech I ever made in my life, but he is entitled to the
credit for it. And now I hope he is satisfied with his convert and that he will get up here and tell you so.'

"He came upon the stand and said:

" Fellow-citizens - It affords me great pleasure to comply with the request of Colonel Crockett. I have always considered him a thoroughly honest man, and I am satisfied that he will faithfully perform all that he has promised you today.'

"He went down, and there went up from that crowd such a shout for Davy Crockett as his name never called forth before.'

"I am not much given to tears, but I was taken with a choking then and felt some big drops rolling down my cheeks. And I tell you now that the remembrance of those few words spoken by such a man, and the honest, hearty shout they produced, is worth more to me than all the honors I have received and all the reputation I have ever made, or ever shall make, as a member of Congress.'

"Now, sir," concluded Crockett, "you know why I made that speech yesterday.

"There is one thing now to which I will call your attention. You remember that I proposed to give a week's pay. There are in that House many very wealthy men - men who think nothing of spending a week's pay, or a dozen of them, for a dinner or a wine party when they have something to accomplish by it. Some of those same men made beautiful speeches upon the great debt of gratitude which the country owed the deceased--a debt which could not be paid by money--and the insignificance and worthlessness of money, particularly so insignificant a sum as $10,000,  when weighed against the honor of the nation. Yet not one of them responded to my proposition. Money with them is nothing but trash when it is to come out of the people. But it is the one great thing for which most of them are striving, and many of them sacrifice honor, integrity, and justice to obtain it."

13 posted on 09/19/2011 6:48:20 AM PDT by EternalVigilance ('Truth is the first object.' -- Thomas Jefferson)
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To: MNJohnnie

You’re living in fantasy-land, Johnnie. But that’s nothing new.

Sadly for you, many have come to realize that our problem isn’t just Democrats.


14 posted on 09/19/2011 6:51:48 AM PDT by EternalVigilance ('Truth is the first object.' -- Thomas Jefferson)
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To: MNJohnnie
"I cannot undertake to lay my finger on that article of the Constitution which granted a right to Congress of expending, on objects of benevolence, the money of their constituents..."

--James Madison


15 posted on 09/19/2011 6:53:41 AM PDT by EternalVigilance ('Truth is the first object.' -- Thomas Jefferson)
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To: randita

“Ask Carney to provide examples of a similar headlong rush by Republicans into loan guarantees to a company despite repeated red flags that the company had viability issues.”

Wow, is that a hanging curve-ball! All Carney has to do is give you a list of Republicans that voted for TARP.


16 posted on 09/19/2011 6:57:52 AM PDT by ngat
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To: ngat

Yep. And you just hit it out of the park, over the top deck.


17 posted on 09/19/2011 7:06:48 AM PDT by EternalVigilance ('Truth is the first object.' -- Thomas Jefferson)
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To: MNJohnnie

Scandal has more often been the order of the day than not in DC. Historically its impact tempered by both the relatively slow news cycle and feedback, and the absence of electronic funds shuffling. Today the sheer magnitude and audacity is out of proportion to the theoretical capacities of a modern information society to provide appropriate oversight-external to central regulation-i.e. no fox minding the henhouse.

Its merely an obligation of We the People to freedom’s heritage that we take this seriously.

An examination of the Presidency of Ulysses S. Grant reveals many scandals and fraudulent activities associated with his administration and a cabinet that was in continual transition divided by the forces of political patronage and reform. President Grant, himself, was influenced by both forces. The standards in many of Grant’s cabinet appointments were low and charges of corruption were widespread.[1] Starting with the Black Friday gold speculation ring in 1869, corruption would be discovered during Grant’s two presidential terms in seven federal departments, including the Navy, Justice, War, Treasury, Interior, State, and the Post Office. Reform movements initiated in both the Democratic Party and the Liberal Republicans, a faction that split from Republican Party to oppose political patronage and corruption in the Grant Administration. Nepotism was prevalent, with over 40 family members or relatives benefiting from government appointments and employment. The prevalent corruption in the Grant Administration would eventually be called “Grantism”.

Teapot Dome was another interesting scandal. Bear in mind the relative size and that undoubtedly these were, and currently are in Solyndra, most probably the “tip of the iceberg” as it were. The only way a huge scandal can transpire is in the arrogance and assurance of a trail of many smaller and “successful” ones preceeding it.

Sorry I haven’t time to complete your history lesson in more detail.


18 posted on 09/19/2011 7:09:45 AM PDT by mo
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To: EternalVigilance

Palin’s the only one who can win on this.


19 posted on 09/19/2011 7:17:52 AM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: EternalVigilance

I know, don’t bother the third party pimps with the facts, they have their dogmas and they will cling to them no matter WHAT the facts.


20 posted on 09/19/2011 7:18:37 AM PDT by MNJohnnie (Giving more money to DC to fix the Debt is like giving free drugs to addicts think it will cure them)
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To: MNJohnnie

I’m not pimping a party on this thread. But you are.


21 posted on 09/19/2011 7:20:53 AM PDT by EternalVigilance ('Truth is the first object.' -- Thomas Jefferson)
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To: EternalVigilance

I’ve always been fascinated by the story of that speech. Further research shows it to be apocryphal, but it is still a good one nonetheless.


22 posted on 09/19/2011 7:21:01 AM PDT by Paradox (Democrats on Obama, They can't deny him, He is them.)
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To: EternalVigilance
This whole article is an example of the infantile "I know you are but what am I" defense.

Rather then discuss the very real wrong doing of the 0 regime in ignoring their own analysis waring that this business model was doomed from the start, the 0bot propagandists here try's to create a fraudulent moral equivalence between the GOP past support for loan guarantees and the corrupt politically actions of the 0 regime in this particular case.

It a fraudulent attempt to divert attention from the very real wrong doing of the 0bots by manufacturing a fraudulent moral equivalence claim.

23 posted on 09/19/2011 7:34:31 AM PDT by MNJohnnie (Giving more money to DC to fix the Debt is like giving free drugs to addicts think it will cure them)
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To: Paradox

Well, Mr. Crockett always did like a good tall tale. :-)

But the Constitution still says what it says.


24 posted on 09/19/2011 7:34:31 AM PDT by EternalVigilance ('Truth is the first object.' -- Thomas Jefferson)
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To: MNJohnnie

Conservatives can walk and chew gum. They can see clearly what Obama is, and fight him, without putting on blinders about the Republicans.


25 posted on 09/19/2011 7:36:27 AM PDT by EternalVigilance ('Truth is the first object.' -- Thomas Jefferson)
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To: MNJohnnie

By the way, I’ve always been under the impression that Carney, and Barone, and the rest of them at the Washington Examiner are all Republicans.


26 posted on 09/19/2011 7:38:34 AM PDT by EternalVigilance ('Truth is the first object.' -- Thomas Jefferson)
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To: EternalVigilance
I think the problem here is you have utterly NO clue what a Loan Gaurenttee is

A loan guarantee, in finance, is a promise by one party (the guarantor) to assume the debt obligation of a borrower if that borrower defaults.

That is NOT a "corporate subsidy" as the ignorant author here claims.

If you cannot understand the difference between loan guarantees to solid proven business's which your business analysis say is a prudent move and a loan guarantee to a business your own analysis say IS GOING TO FAIL, you are either too bigoted, or too ignorant, to be commenting on this issue.

27 posted on 09/19/2011 7:45:19 AM PDT by MNJohnnie (Giving more money to DC to fix the Debt is like giving free drugs to addicts think it will cure them)
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To: ngat
Wow, is that a hanging curve-ball! All Carney has to do is give you a list of Republicans that voted for TARP.

Touché!

28 posted on 09/19/2011 8:01:43 AM PDT by randita (Obama - chains you can bereave in.)
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To: MNJohnnie

I’m not responsible for the writer’s understanding of anything. I simply posted it here for discussion.

But I do have a question, based on your post:

Can you point me to the Article or Section of the Constitution that empowers Congress to co-sign notes for private businesses, or to pay the debts of private businesses if they can’t pay? Because I just can’t lay my finger on it.


29 posted on 09/19/2011 8:19:10 AM PDT by EternalVigilance ('Truth is the first object.' -- Thomas Jefferson)
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To: MNJohnnie
"I cannot undertake to lay my finger on that article of the Constitution which granted a right to Congress of expending, on objects of benevolence, the money of their constituents..."

-- James Madison, the Father of the Constitution


30 posted on 09/19/2011 8:21:49 AM PDT by EternalVigilance ('Truth is the first object.' -- Thomas Jefferson)
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To: EternalVigilance

Good article.


31 posted on 09/19/2011 8:21:59 AM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: trisham

It sure is. Thanks.


32 posted on 09/19/2011 11:15:22 AM PDT by EternalVigilance ('Truth is the first object.' -- Thomas Jefferson)
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To: EternalVigilance

Isn’t that something.

Almost like we need a candidate who will run against crony capitalism.


33 posted on 09/20/2011 5:52:40 PM PDT by reasonisfaith (Governor Palin: "I'm not for sale." It's true. Watch The Undefeated.)
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