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California City Fines Couple for Holding Bible Study in Their Home (San Juan Capistrano)
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/california-city-fines-couple-for-holding-bible-study-in-their-home/comment-page-4/#comment-1885837 ^ | 9/19/2011

Posted on 09/19/2011 5:47:13 AM PDT by Beckett08

A southern California couple has been fined $300 dollars for holding Christian Bible study sessions in their home, and could face another $500 for each additional gathering.

City officials in San Juan Capistrano, Calif. say Chuck and Stephanie Fromm are in violation of municipal code 9-3.301, which prohibits “religious, fraternal or non-profit” organizations in residential neighborhoods without a permit. Stephanie hosts a Wednesday Bible study that draws about 20 attendees, and Chuck holds a Sunday service that gets about 50.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events; US: California
KEYWORDS: 1stamendment; antichristianbigotry; freespeech; obama; religion; religiousliberty; religiouspersecution
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1 posted on 09/19/2011 5:47:24 AM PDT by Beckett08
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To: Beckett08

Gee, just had one here late last week, at my home. Come on boys and bother me about that and learn what the second amendment is all about.


2 posted on 09/19/2011 5:52:30 AM PDT by Mouton (Voting is an opiate of the electorate. Nothing changes no matter who wins..)
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To: Beckett08
See too, http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/2780264/posts
3 posted on 09/19/2011 5:52:40 AM PDT by Cboldt
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To: Beckett08

So how many times have the dumbocraps been fined for holding those ‘Kill Bush’ parties and the ‘Vote for Obama’ gatherings?

Any record of that? Didn’t think so.


4 posted on 09/19/2011 5:53:24 AM PDT by Cowgirl of Justice
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To: Mouton

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof... ”


5 posted on 09/19/2011 5:55:06 AM PDT by Beckett08 ("My Jihad means 'My Struggle' So does "Mein Kampf.")
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To: Mouton

” Gee, just had one here late last week, at my home. Come on boys and bother me about that and learn what the second amendment is all about.”

We have one every tuesday night. Steve would be the wrong guy to pester : )


6 posted on 09/19/2011 5:55:46 AM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (God, family, country, mom, apple pie, the girl next door and a Ford F250 to pull my boat.)
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To: Beckett08

What about Muslims who block streets to pray?


7 posted on 09/19/2011 5:56:30 AM PDT by luvbach1 (Stop the destruction in 2012 or continue the decline)
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To: Beckett08

Can you hold a tupperware party at your house? Can you entertain frequently at your house? I’m not a lawyer, but I would say this is a case of “viewpoint discrimination.”

Towns have tried this in the past and have lost in court.


8 posted on 09/19/2011 5:58:01 AM PDT by goldi (')
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To: Beckett08
Unbelievable!

Hardly unexpected, though. Once they've firmly established the "No religion on public property," they can now move on to their next, true goal...Just straight up "No religion."

God help us.

9 posted on 09/19/2011 5:58:08 AM PDT by NakedRampage (Fortis cadere, cedere non potest (A brave man may fall, but he cannot yield))
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To: Beckett08

Just have everybody arrive in a burqa. Problem solved.


10 posted on 09/19/2011 5:59:25 AM PDT by all the best
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To: Mouton

” Gee, just had one here late last week, at my home. Come on boys and bother me about that and learn what the second amendment is all about.”

We have one every tuesday night. Steve would be the wrong guy to pester : )


11 posted on 09/19/2011 6:01:32 AM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (God, family, country, mom, apple pie, the girl next door and a Ford F250 to pull my boat.)
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To: Beckett08

Congress didn’t. The city did.

That’s the area served by Saddleback Church, among others. There are thousands of small groups that meet regularly there. Does SJC intend to hunt them all down?


12 posted on 09/19/2011 6:22:32 AM PDT by SandyInSeattle (When life gives you lemons, throw them back and demand chocolate.)
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To: stephenjohnbanker

They can not stop 100 illegal aliens from gathering on the streets but they care stopping Bible Studies on Private Property??


13 posted on 09/19/2011 6:24:28 AM PDT by Beckett08 ("My Jihad means 'My Struggle' So does "Mein Kampf.")
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To: Beckett08

He’s on solid ground here about being able to hold a Bible study in their home.

But...

Isn’t there a line in the Bible about avoiding going before a judge (forget the verse) that would apply here?

Did they even make an attempt to obtain a permit? Sure, maybe they don’t have to from a Constitutional standpoint, but did the form the church to make a political point, or to worship God?

Why not just get the permit, and move on with the services? Why put themselves at odd with the state, when the point they are trying to make (from a Biblical perspective) is so trivial?


14 posted on 09/19/2011 6:24:58 AM PDT by Brookhaven
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To: Beckett08

This is likely a parking issue. The neighbors probably got fed up with the traffic and complained. That’s a very large group for a bible study.


15 posted on 09/19/2011 6:25:12 AM PDT by SandyInSeattle (When life gives you lemons, throw them back and demand chocolate.)
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To: all the best

Just have everybody arrive in a burqa. Problem solved.
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Not sure how old the ordinance is but maybe they tried this kind of gathering (burqa wearers) and a law was passed to stop it and this recent group was just caught up in the unintended consequence part of it?

Of course when ‘Madeline Murray’ is your next door neighbor and you park on her grass or block her driveway for your activities she just retaliates.


16 posted on 09/19/2011 6:28:46 AM PDT by xrmusn ((6/98) If govt involved, the more outlandish a scheme appears, the truer it probably is.)
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To: Beckett08
This is a Supreme Court 1st Amendment case...

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

Go to court and counter sue the city... you'll win.

17 posted on 09/19/2011 6:30:38 AM PDT by dps.inspect (the system is rigged...)
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To: SandyInSeattle

They can not stop 100 illegal aliens from gathering on the streets but they are stopping Bible Studies on Private Property?

We need to give the day laborers Bibles and get them to pray!


18 posted on 09/19/2011 6:30:54 AM PDT by Beckett08 ("My Jihad means 'My Struggle' So does "Mein Kampf.")
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To: Beckett08

Two completely different issues.

It really bothers me to pass by groups of men just hanging around in parking lots, but they aren’t blocking my driveway or infringing on my living space. I can avoid them if I choose to.

If my neighbor has 50 people over every Sunday or 20 people over every Thursday, that’s a problem.


19 posted on 09/19/2011 6:37:13 AM PDT by SandyInSeattle (When life gives you lemons, throw them back and demand chocolate.)
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To: Brookhaven

Are you kidding...a permit to have friends over to your home to talk about god!!!


20 posted on 09/19/2011 6:48:02 AM PDT by ontap
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