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Rising GOP star Haley has own history with HPV vaccine fallout
CNN ^ | 16 Sep 2011 | Shawna Shepherd

Posted on 09/19/2011 8:54:44 AM PDT by Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus

As the debate over Texas Gov. Rick Perry mandating the HPV vaccine continues between Republican presidential candidates, a woman whose endorsement is coveted by all them, South Carolina Gov. Nikki Haley, has her own complicated history on the issue.

In 2007, shortly before Perry issued an executive order requiring that schoolgirls be vaccinated against the sexually transmitted human papillomavirus, or HPV, that causes most cervical cancers, Haley was throwing her support behind a similar bill in South Carolina. At the time she was in her second term as a state representative.

State Rep. Joan Brady introduced the Cervical Cancer Prevention Act in South Carolina, and the Republican corralled more than 60 legislators, including Haley, to sponsor the bill. Unlike the executive order for which Perry is taking heat, this legislative mandate did not include a provision for parents to opt out of inoculating their daughters.

Within months, fierce opposition mounted, and legislative records back up accounts from sources who recall sponsors "dropping like flies" before a unanimous vote killed the bill on April 18, 2007.

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TOPICS: Breaking News; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: South Carolina
KEYWORDS: captaingardasil; hpv; nickkihaley; sarahpalin
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Hmmm.
1 posted on 09/19/2011 8:54:47 AM PDT by Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus
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2 posted on 09/19/2011 8:59:49 AM PDT by ari-freedom (Thank you, Bob!)
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To: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus

Obviously she’s a commie infiltrator/S


3 posted on 09/19/2011 9:00:59 AM PDT by Marty62 (Marty60)
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To: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus
Obviously, nearly everyone will be very excited to support vaccine with the potential to prevent certain types of cancers -- and rightly so.

As always, the devil is in the details.

4 posted on 09/19/2011 9:02:48 AM PDT by Crichton
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To: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus

Did she take cash from Merck and then mandate a Merck product on the people of SC by executive fiat? Did she require the legislature to override her actions?

No? Hmmmm indeed....

I wonder if she was part of the unanimous vote against the bill...


5 posted on 09/19/2011 9:03:18 AM PDT by perfect_rovian_storm (Perry's idea of border control: Use both hands to welcome the illegals right in.)
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To: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus
I don't know where I stand on the HPV forced vaccine. Because I understand vaccines against measles and mumps but those aren't STDs.

Then again we can't be stupid and not realize that teenagers are going to have sex no matter how much abstinence we teach. It didn't work on me, and I'm sure a few folks around here believe I'll burn in hell for all eternity for it but that's what happens when you are a teenager...

But the main thing is this is a hit piece on Nikki Haley because she is a right wing conservative WOMAN!!! The last word WOMAN is what the left fears the most. They fear strong women like Sarah Palin, Nikki Haley and Michele Bachmann. They thought all women were in NOW.

How could a woman be a Republican??? OMG let's smear her!!!

I love how the left always talks about sexism this, sexism that, but they have no problem bashing women as long as they are conservatives.

6 posted on 09/19/2011 9:05:52 AM PDT by Dengar01 ("Liberalism is a Mental Disorder" - Dr. Michael Savage)
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To: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus

When everyone else is using fear and misinformation, it is very hard to be the only one on the side of rationality. Unfortunately, Nikki gave in to the peer pressure in the end.


7 posted on 09/19/2011 9:06:02 AM PDT by ari-freedom (Thank you, Bob!)
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To: Dengar01

???


8 posted on 09/19/2011 9:07:18 AM PDT by Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus ("A gentleman considers what is just; a small man considers what is expedient.")
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To: Crichton

“Obviously, nearly everyone will be very excited to support vaccine with the potential to prevent certain types of cancers — and rightly so.”

You want to prevent young women from getting cancer? What were you thinking???? Obviously it must be because you want to get more money. /sarc


9 posted on 09/19/2011 9:09:07 AM PDT by ari-freedom (Thank you, Bob!)
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To: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus

Yep, along with about 60 other legislators, she signed onto an idea that was not well thought out. Eventually the bill was unanimously rejected, so obviously information about the bill was presented, processed and every sponsor, including Haley, ended up rejecting what they once favored.

Isn’t that what we want our legislators to do when they make a mistake?


10 posted on 09/19/2011 9:09:07 AM PDT by Anitius Severinus Boethius
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To: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus
Unlike the executive order for which Perry is taking heat, this legislative mandate did not include a provision for parents to opt out of inoculating their daughters.
Well, Perry's EO didn't "include an opt out." What it did was direct the relevant agency to add "apply via internet" to the methods available (mail, fax, in person) for requesting the state-issued opt-out affidavit. The opt-out itself was created by the Texas legislature, in 2003.

And, the reason the proposed HPV mandate of Haley didn't include an opt out. state law already had one, just like state law in Texas already had one.

11 posted on 09/19/2011 9:11:47 AM PDT by Cboldt
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To: ari-freedom

Yeah!!! She should have swooped in like Governor Mighty Mouse and saved the day by mandating a vaccine by executive order.

She wasn’t governor and had no such power, but why should that stop her? It wouldn’t have stopped Perry, I’m sure.

But, alas in the end, she chickened out and didn’t attempt a coup of the entire government of SC in order to mandate a vaccine. Dammit...if only she could be more of a hero like Captain Gardasil!


12 posted on 09/19/2011 9:16:10 AM PDT by perfect_rovian_storm (Perry's idea of border control: Use both hands to welcome the illegals right in.)
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To: Dengar01

Yeah, Airborne and Casual contact transmitted viral vectors are indeed quite different than something trasferred via sexual contact in a school setting.

I could see a state sponsored education campaign targeted to parents for the HPV vaccine, but it should stop there.


13 posted on 09/19/2011 9:17:03 AM PDT by GraceG
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To: perfect_rovian_storm

Who knows yet exactly what she did?

We here are just now hearing about this. At least to this degree of airing.

Perry’s involvement has been attacked mercilessly from every conceivable angle. Every conceivable one, no angle left out.

Therefore, to be consistent, whatever angle is used against Rick Perry...whatever one, no exceptions, can be used legitimately against Nikki Haley.

I don’t subscribe to the distortions that you use to describe what happened in Texas. I describe it coming from Perry’s standpoint, and I have proven that he did not, could not, have done what he did unless he believed the people of tx would welcome this addition to the school vaccine program. Otherwise, you would have to stupidly believe that he wanted to have the people rebuff him, that he wanted to be embarrassed for life that he had to backtrack when he heard the voice of the people.

That proves he would not have gone ahead, Merck or no Merck, let me repeat, he would not have gone ahead, Merck or no Merck, if he had not thought it would be welcomed Cancer protection for kids, not rejected and thrown back in his face as an embarrassment for all time to come.

Likewise, Nikki Haley obviously thought it was the thing to do. Let me repeat, she obviously thought it was the thing to do. She found out otherwise. Just like Rick Perry found out otherwise in Texas, to his everlasing embarrassment. And I have no doubt this episode is embarrassing to Nikki Haley.

The executive order route by Perry was in order to expedite the opt out, is what I understood.

Incorrect: that the Legislature had to override. No, it didn’t come to that. The whole thing was stopped before they needed to do that. It was the voice of the people, contacting their reps, demanding it be stopped, that Perry heard, before a vote was held.


14 posted on 09/19/2011 9:17:48 AM PDT by txrangerette ("...HOLD TO THE TRUTH; SPEAK WITHOUT FEAR." - Glenn Beck)
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To: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus

Why are candidates speaking of genital warts in the first place???


15 posted on 09/19/2011 9:18:24 AM PDT by goseminoles
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To: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus
Haley was throwing her support behind a similar bill

The difference is that it was a bill not an Executive Order.

If Perry had gone about it the same way, instead of bypassing the legislative process, none of this would be an issue.

It would have been shot down in Texas (as his EO was) just like it was shot down in SC.

16 posted on 09/19/2011 9:20:04 AM PDT by GBA
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To: Crichton

That is until they do some of their own studies on the vaccine and Merck. Then it turns the stomach.


17 posted on 09/19/2011 9:22:17 AM PDT by dforest
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To: Dengar01

Do you still fall for the line that it was “forced”.

It wasn’t.

It was a mandated program for the schools, with an opt out. It was mandated to be given along with other school vaccines, with an opt out for those choosing to opt out. People have distorted this to claim it was forcibly given to the kids.

In addition, none of it was ever carried out. It never happened.

Michele Bachmann, to her discredit, has helped to spread the distortions. And for what purpose, who knows, since she isn’t going to get anywhere, regardless.


18 posted on 09/19/2011 9:22:34 AM PDT by txrangerette ("...HOLD TO THE TRUTH; SPEAK WITHOUT FEAR." - Glenn Beck)
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To: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus

Is there any way to recall this Commie filth from office? Haley needs to go. HPV is just far to important an issue. It’s not like the country is falling apart and everyone is losing jobs and their homes. I can’t tell you how many people spout off unsolicited about the Gardesil issue anymore. It has to be the #1 election issue for sure.


19 posted on 09/19/2011 9:26:27 AM PDT by Lazlo in PA (Now living in a newly minted Red State.)
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To: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus

“...As the debate over Texas Gov. Rick Perry mandating the HPV vaccine continues between Republican presidential candidates,...”

And somewhere in Washington D.C., a wannabe socialist dictator with big, stupid-looking ears is laughing his ass off...

...because the debate SHOULD be “Obama and the Democrats DESTROYED the economy; which GOP candidate is best qualified to unf***k it?”

But no...


20 posted on 09/19/2011 9:27:55 AM PDT by NFHale (The Second Amendment - By Any Means Necessary.)
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To: Cboldt; All
Well, Perry's EO didn't "include an opt out."

You Lie.

From Perry's own statement on this EO, dated 2/5/07. Your continual lies are discrediting your argument.

AUSTIN – Gov. Rick Perry today issued the following statement regarding his HPV vaccine executive order:

“Never before have we had an opportunity to prevent cancer with a simple vaccine. While I understand the concerns expressed by some, I stand firmly on the side of protecting life. The HPV vaccine does not promote sex, it protects women’s health. In the past, young women who have abstained from sex until marriage have contracted HPV from their husbands and faced the difficult task of defeating cervical cancer. This vaccine prevents that from happening.

“Providing the HPV vaccine doesn’t promote sexual promiscuity anymore than providing the Hepatitis B vaccine promotes drug use. If the medical community developed a vaccine for lung cancer, would the same critics oppose it claiming it would encourage smoking?

Finally, parents need to know that they have the final decision about whether or not their daughter is vaccinated. I am a strong believer in protecting parental rights, which is why this executive order allows them to opt out.”

http://governor.state.tx.us/news/press-release/2291/

21 posted on 09/19/2011 9:29:03 AM PDT by Carling (Sarah Palin Supported TARP Before She Was Against It)
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To: txrangerette
-- Incorrect: that the Legislature had to override. No, it didn't come to that. The whole thing was stopped before they needed to do that. It was the voice of the people, contacting their reps, demanding it be stopped, that Perry heard, before a vote was held. --

This isn't the only mistake in your remarks, but I'll address just this one, by linking to the legislation that was passed, and to Perry's remarks at the time the bill was presented to him.

Texas Legislature Online - 80(R) History for HB 1098 [March-April 2007]
Texas Legislature Online - 80(R) Text for HB 1098 [Enrolled]
Perry's speech of May 05, 2007

I have wrestled for a few days with whether to veto this bill, or let it become law without my signature. But the fact of the matter is, it will become law no matter what because the voice of the Legislature is clear. And rather than allowing this issue to be held captive one more day by legislative politics, and the inevitable posturing that will ensue during a veto override debate, I have decided to let it become law without my signature.

22 posted on 09/19/2011 9:29:47 AM PDT by Cboldt
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To: txrangerette
Who knows yet exactly what she did?

People who read the article?

Therefore, to be consistent, whatever angle is used against Rick Perry...whatever one, no exceptions, can be used legitimately against Nikki Haley.

It can? There's an enormous difference between a legislator backing a bill and then changing their mind vs a governor meeting with the manufacturer of a product, taking money from that manufacture through various avenues, and then mandating it by executive fiat.

No matter how you slice it, the two actions are not even close to being comparable no matter how bad Perry fans might like it to be.

I don’t subscribe to the distortions that you use to describe what happened in Texas.

You mean the truth? You can ignore it all you like, but facts are facts.

I have proven that he did not, could not, have done what he did unless he believed the people of tx would welcome this addition to the school vaccine program.

I think you might need a refresher course on the definition of the word 'proven'.

Otherwise, you would have to stupidly believe that he wanted to have the people rebuff him, that he wanted to be embarrassed for life that he had to backtrack when he heard the voice of the people.

LOL! That's the funniest thing I've read yet about this.

That proves he would not have gone ahead, Merck or no Merck, let me repeat, he would not have gone ahead, Merck or no Merck, if he had not thought it would be welcomed Cancer protection for kids, not rejected and thrown back in his face as an embarrassment for all time to come.

Again, it doen't 'prove' anything. It doesn't even make a persuasive case for it.

Likewise, Nikki Haley obviously thought it was the thing to do. Let me repeat, she obviously thought it was the thing to do.

Maybe she did. Let me repeat, maybe she did. Obviously, she changed her mind and didn't try and impose her will on the entire state before that. Let me repeat, obviously, she changed her mind and didn't try and impose her will on the entire state before that.

Incorrect: that the Legislature had to override. No, it didn’t come to that.

WRONG!!!.

Seriously, how about looking at this thing objectively without the whole 'defend the candidate at all costs' glasses on? It seems you're not being honest with people reading this or even with yourself about this.

23 posted on 09/19/2011 9:30:29 AM PDT by perfect_rovian_storm (Perry's idea of border control: Use both hands to welcome the illegals right in.)
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To: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus

Will Folks made her do it!


24 posted on 09/19/2011 9:31:11 AM PDT by Blackandproud
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To: indylindy

Gee...I guess it’s ok for Bachmann to get campaign funds from the Big Pharma producing a competeing drug to Mercks Gardisil.

Maybe if Merck throws some cash her way she’ll all of a sudden like Gardisil.


25 posted on 09/19/2011 9:32:32 AM PDT by Marty62 (Marty60)
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To: Carling
-- Your continual lies are discrediting your argument. --

In 2003, the TX legislature passed HB 2292 (HB 2292 - Enrolled Bill Text) which broadened the vaccine opt out justification from "medical or recognized religion" to "medical, religion, or conscientious objection." The legislation says that in order to receive exemption from immunization, the child's parent or guardian must request a child-specific form in writing, sign it and have the signature notarized, and submit the signed form to the school within 90 days of notarization.

In 2004, the state health department promulgated rules along those lines (97.62 Exclusions from Compliance), including that the written request for the child-specific form could be delivered via mail, facsimile, or in person.

The state health department rules have conscientious objection affidavits expire in 2 years even though the legislation does not require expiration.

In February 2007, Governor Perry ordered the state health department to make the request for the child-specific affidavit form available online (RP65 - Text of EO).

Rules. The Health and Human Services Executive Commissioner shall adopt rules that mandate the age appropriate vaccination of all female children for HPV prior to admission to the sixth grade. ...

Parents' Rights. The Department of State Health Services will, in order to protect the right of parents to be the final authority on their children's health care, modify the current process in order to allow parents to submit a request for a conscientious objection affidavit form via the Internet while maintaining privacy safeguards under current law.

The "opt out" that Perry provided was "you can request the form via the internet." That's it.

26 posted on 09/19/2011 9:32:46 AM PDT by Cboldt
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To: NFHale
...because the debate SHOULD be “Obama and the Democrats DESTROYED the economy; which GOP candidate is best qualified to unf***k it?”

Because one of the reasons our economy needs to be 'unf***ked' is because of all of the political cronyism that is picking winners and losers and destroying the upward mobility of ordinary citizens.

When one of the GOP candidates has a documented history of involvement in EXACTLY those kinds of deals, it does cast a shadow of doubt on his ability to 'unf***k' anything.

27 posted on 09/19/2011 9:33:52 AM PDT by perfect_rovian_storm (Perry's idea of border control: Use both hands to welcome the illegals right in.)
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To: GraceG
“I could see a state sponsored education campaign targeted to parents for the HPV vaccine, but it should stop there.”

The problem with that plan is that it won't work very well on girls AFTER they reach puberty , even if they never had sex until 35 and got the shots at 18. Best protection rates are only found in studies when the vaccine is given at a young age. It doesn't have a damn thing to do with before having sex if that happens at an older age. It HAS to be given at that age to get the best protection.

28 posted on 09/19/2011 9:35:33 AM PDT by Beagle8U (Free Republic -- One stop shopping ....... It's the Conservative Super WalMart for news .)
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To: txrangerette

29 posted on 09/19/2011 9:35:48 AM PDT by perfect_rovian_storm (Perry's idea of border control: Use both hands to welcome the illegals right in.)
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To: Cboldt

You lied. There was an opt-out. You are making false claims. Meanwhile, the other leading GOP candidate literally MANDATED that the citizens of his state carry health insurance or pay a fine.

Yet you continually post lies about an opt-out which was available. I question your motives...


30 posted on 09/19/2011 9:36:26 AM PDT by Carling (Sarah Palin Supported TARP Before She Was Against It)
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To: perfect_rovian_storm

You mean like Bachmann:

Bachmann received $146,400 from the pharmaceutical industry over the course of her career.

Perry got a total of $28,500 in contributions from Merck’s political action committee from 2002 to 2010.


31 posted on 09/19/2011 9:37:11 AM PDT by Marty62 (Marty60)
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To: Marty62

Perry sucks


32 posted on 09/19/2011 9:38:22 AM PDT by Friendofgeorge (Sarah Palin 2012 or flippin bust)
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To: Marty62
Umm...from the 'pharmaceutical industry'? No sale.

Perry got a total of $28,500 in contributions from Merck’s political action committee from 2002 to 2010.

Including $5k on the DAY HE SIGNED THE ORDER. Plus money given through lobbyists and through the RGA.

One thing's for sure though, Rick HATED CANCER so much and cared so much about lives that he didn't bother waiting for Merck's check to clear before mandating their product in the State of Texas. What a guy!

33 posted on 09/19/2011 9:40:04 AM PDT by perfect_rovian_storm (Perry's idea of border control: Use both hands to welcome the illegals right in.)
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To: perfect_rovian_storm

That’s a heron, not a finch.

Derrrrrrrrrrrr


34 posted on 09/19/2011 9:41:12 AM PDT by Carling (Sarah Palin Supported TARP Before She Was Against It)
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To: Carling; Cboldt
There was no lie in his post, the "opt-out" was provided through an internet form as he said.

The Perry EO was a mandate (with an opt-out), a true conservative would have never done it that way, you are defending a big gumbmint program that was being forced on the public. Thankfully the Texas legislature ko'd the program.

35 posted on 09/19/2011 9:42:34 AM PDT by Lakeshark
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To: Carling

No, actually it isn’t. You and your little friend are ignorant.

What the picture is, is posted as a response to the pathetic, lame excuse that you Perrycites use to excuse your corrupt candidate’s disgusting actions.


36 posted on 09/19/2011 9:43:05 AM PDT by perfect_rovian_storm (Perry's idea of border control: Use both hands to welcome the illegals right in.)
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To: Carling; perfect_rovian_storm

A PerryKrisha red Heron?


37 posted on 09/19/2011 9:44:33 AM PDT by Lakeshark
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To: Carling
-- You lied. There was an opt-out. You are making false claims. Meanwhile, the other leading GOP candidate literally MANDATED that the citizens of his state carry health insurance or pay a fine.

Yet you continually post lies about an opt-out which was available. I question your motives... --

Slow down a bit, and take the time to point to a claim that is false.

The opt out for vaccines, the one that includes the conscientious objection justification, was created by the Texas legislature, in 2003. That's a fact, I posted a link to the creation of the legislation.

I suppose my remark that Perry's EO didn't include an opt-out was technically false, because the opt-out existed for years before he issued the EO, and would automatically apply.

I also showed, with links to the source materials, what change to the process Perry worked. He directed the health department to make the application for the state-issued affidavit available via an internet application process.

You might reflect a moment on whether or not your accusation of calling me a liar who continuously posts lies is well taken.

38 posted on 09/19/2011 9:45:26 AM PDT by Cboldt
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To: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus

More attempting to confound the issue by making the discussion about Gardasil itself. Aside from Bachmann’s rantings, the issue is solely about the method Perry used to impose it in Texas, bypassing the legislature and mandating its use, while having close ties to Merck folks (therefore having at least the appearance of impropriety).

This real issue is further compounded by the phony “opt out” (there is no such thing in the EO, only a directive to make an existing paper form available via the Internet) and by Perry’s lies about the fallout of the EO — he claimed to have humbly accepted the legislature’s rebuke when in fact he claimed they didn’t have the authority to overturn the EO and blamed those who voted to do so for any cancer case in the future, surrounding himself with victims while issuing the condemnations.

Did Haley do any of that?


39 posted on 09/19/2011 9:45:41 AM PDT by kevkrom (This space for rent.)
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To: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus

“State Rep. Kris Crawford, a physician who led the debate to discredit the policy resulting in the bill’s demise, said even though Haley voted against the bill like everybody else he wondered why she didn’t remove herself as a bill sponsor if she opposed the mandate.”


40 posted on 09/19/2011 9:46:05 AM PDT by Grunthor (Almost any republican currently running for POTUS would be light years better than Obama)
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To: perfect_rovian_storm

I hear you...

It’s pathetic how we get manipulated back and forth.


41 posted on 09/19/2011 9:46:28 AM PDT by NFHale (The Second Amendment - By Any Means Necessary.)
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To: Lakeshark

LOL!


42 posted on 09/19/2011 9:46:44 AM PDT by perfect_rovian_storm (Perry's idea of border control: Use both hands to welcome the illegals right in.)
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To: perfect_rovian_storm

I don’t have a candidate.

I do defend where I see distortions against the truth. And efforts to destroy everyone except Palin or whoever...we don’t know the chosen one in some instances.

I’m as honest as the day is long.

Again, repetition is the way we learn.

Rick Perry would have never, ever, done what he did if he had known that the vaccine would never be used in the mandated program because the people of Texas would quickly and strongly reject the plan. It is to his everlasting embarrassment, therefore, it is clear he believed they would welcome it and he believed it was the right thing to do to protect against Cancer in these young kids.

Exactly the same, Nikki Haley thought this was the right thing to do and would be publicly accepted.

Neither one, again to repeat...this is how we learn...would have done what they initially did it they had understood what would rebound back on them from a public backlash.

Therefore, I reject the notion that ill motives have been proven against either one of them.

To the contrary, Merck or no Merck...again, we learn by repetition...Haley or Perry, makes no difference to me, would not have done this if they had seen the future of it.

Period.

They heard the voice of the people and wished they had that hanging curve ball back.

Nothing dishonest about my posting of this. In fact, since the post has your name on it, it might just be the most honest, irrefutable post your name was ever on.


43 posted on 09/19/2011 9:48:05 AM PDT by txrangerette ("...HOLD TO THE TRUTH; SPEAK WITHOUT FEAR." - Glenn Beck)
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To: Dengar01

Then again we can’t be stupid and not realize that teenagers are going to have sex no matter how much abstinence we teach. It didn’t work on me, and I’m sure a few folks around here believe I’ll burn in hell for all eternity for it but that’s what happens when you are a teenager...


HERETIC!!!!!! BURN HIM!!!!!!

(sarcasm)


44 posted on 09/19/2011 9:48:20 AM PDT by Grunthor (Almost any republican currently running for POTUS would be light years better than Obama)
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To: perfect_rovian_storm
I hereby give you permission to rename your bird.........

:-)

45 posted on 09/19/2011 9:49:07 AM PDT by Lakeshark
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To: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus

Merck had a business plan.

That business plan involved getting Gardisil made mandatory in enough states to recoup their R&D costs.

They threw a whole lot of money at a whole lot of politicians, including Republicans, and especially women.

If we are going to talk about mandating any vaccine, there has to be firm scientific proof that the risks of death or pandemic outweigh the risks of the vaccine itself.

The fact that the must-have immunization list has undergone a five-fold increase in a quarter-century tells you that drug makers are just buying their way on to the list. Too many of these diseases are not fatal or are avoidable by other means.

That is the REAL story in this Perry-Bachmann dustup.


46 posted on 09/19/2011 9:49:42 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: perfect_rovian_storm
This is a photo of a finch.

This is the "finch" that you posted.

Derrrrrrrrrrrrr

47 posted on 09/19/2011 9:50:27 AM PDT by Carling (Sarah Palin Supported TARP Before She Was Against It)
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To: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus

EVERY governor during that time period was implementing Gardasil programs, having either already implemented them or in the process of implementing them. Merck was going to get money for the vaccines whether a state was trying to keep it at the local level with private money or if the state chose to use federal tax-payer money for Merck’s Gardasil vaccines. I don’t see how any of this, any state or any governor, fits into a “chrony” charge, REGARDLESS of how each state chose to pay Merck. They ALL were paying Merck in some form or fashion. These people need to start putting this all into a historical and contextual perspective.


48 posted on 09/19/2011 9:50:40 AM PDT by casinva (Maybe it's time to have some provocative language. (PERRY / CAIN 2012)
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To: perfect_rovian_storm

Bachmann received $146,400 from the pharmaceutical industry over the course of her career.

Perry got a total of $28,500 in contributions from Merck’s political action committee from 2002 to 2010.

Yeah Bachmann got paid to smear Gardisil over HER donors DRUG..WHAT A GAL.


49 posted on 09/19/2011 9:52:36 AM PDT by Marty62 (Marty60)
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To: Lakeshark

I have spent a lot of time over the past few days reading up about Gardasil.

It is a vaccine most vile. Anyone who would try to force this dangerous vaccine on people needs a few doses of it themself first.


50 posted on 09/19/2011 9:54:01 AM PDT by dforest
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