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Secret recordings raise new questions in ATF 'Gunwalker' operation
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Posted on 09/19/2011 10:36:44 AM PDT by sunmars

WASHINGTON - CBS News has obtained secretly recorded conversations that raise questions as to whether some evidence is being withheld in the murder of a Border Patrol agent.

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The tapes were recorded approximately mid-March 2011 by the primary gun dealer cooperating with ATF in its "Fast and Furious" operation: Andre Howard, owner of Lone Wolf Trading Company in Glendale, Arizona. He's talking with the lead case ATF case agent Hope MacAllister.

The tapes have been turned over to Congressional investigators and the Inspector General.

As CBS News first reported last February, the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives allegedly allowed thousands of weapons to "walk" onto the streets without interdiction into the hands of suspected traffickers for Mexican drug cartels in its operation "Fast and Furious."

The conversations refer to a third weapon recovered at the murder scene of Border Patrol Agent Brian Terry.

Agent: I was ordered to let guns into Mexico

Court records have previously only mentioned two weapons: Romanian WASR "AK-47 type" assault rifles. Both were allegedly sold to suspects who were under ATF's watch as part of Fast and Furious.

(Excerpt) Read more at cbsnews.com ...


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I'm amazed CBS is actually digging deep. With holding evidence, would you be surprised?
1 posted on 09/19/2011 10:36:51 AM PDT by sunmars
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To: sunmars

Now, now, now, folks...we all know that withheld tapes are only a crime if those dastardly repubwicans do it.

Silly rabbit, laws aren’t for liberals.


2 posted on 09/19/2011 10:38:18 AM PDT by Da Coyote
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To: sunmars

Depends on who made that tapes...the ATF scumbag or the dealer....


3 posted on 09/19/2011 10:42:05 AM PDT by rightwingextremist1776
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To: sunmars

Drip, drip, drip....
Drudge? Hello? [crickets]


4 posted on 09/19/2011 10:43:02 AM PDT by 50cal Smokepole (Effective gun control involves effective recoil management)
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To: rightwingextremist1776

The killer part...........

Law enforcement sources and others close to the Congressional investigation say the Justice Department’s Inspector General obtained the audio tapes several months ago as part of its investigation into Fast and Furious.

Then, the sources say for some reason the Inspector General passed the tapes along to the U.S. Attorney’s Office in Arizona: a subject in the investigation. It’s unclear why the Inspector General, who is supposed to investigate independently, would turn over evidence to an entity that is itself under investigation. The Inspector General’s office had no immediate comment.


5 posted on 09/19/2011 10:44:53 AM PDT by sunmars
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To: sunmars

Sharyl Attkisson is a very good investigative reporter and has ripped Democrats in the past including John Murtha when no one else in the enemedia would lay a finger on them, I’m surprised CBS keeps her.


6 posted on 09/19/2011 10:45:39 AM PDT by jazusamo (His [Obama's] political base---the young, the left and the thoughtless: Thomas Sowell)
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To: Da Coyote
Other than a few congressmen, there is no outrage from congress, really starting to question the - One party two heads (passing the football back and forth) control theory.
7 posted on 09/19/2011 10:46:08 AM PDT by opentalk
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To: sunmars

I could understand letting guns “walk” into Mexico. But what I didn’t understand is why they weren’t bugged with GPS so that when they got to the cartels, we couldn’t drop some 1,000 pound bombs on them, or follow the when they were being brought back across the border!

How difficult and expensive would it have been for our government to imbed these technical spying devices inside wooden AK stocks, or inside an AR15 plastic buttstock? Not very...


8 posted on 09/19/2011 10:46:54 AM PDT by Dogbert41 (http://www.durban3nyc.com/. Go there and learn what those who seek to destroy Israel are up to)
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To: Da Coyote

The laws may not be for liberals, but they damn sure better realize that it’s a doubled edged sword that will cut both ways.


9 posted on 09/19/2011 10:49:37 AM PDT by BCR #226 (02/07 SOT www.extremefirepower.com...The BS stops when the hammer drops.)
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To: sunmars

They want to get this cleared up before the General Election campaigns get underway. That way it will be “old news” and can safely be ignored.


10 posted on 09/19/2011 10:49:51 AM PDT by Little Ray (FOR the best Conservative in the Primary; AGAINST Obama in the General.)
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To: sunmars

They’ve gotten the nod to take barry out....


11 posted on 09/19/2011 10:50:12 AM PDT by shield (Rev 2:9 Woe unto those who say they are Judahites and are not, but are of the syna GOG ue of Satan.)
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To: 50cal Smokepole
Very strange, are the cartels sending threats behind the scenes. They have a reputation in Mexico of intimidating media so they don't report their crimes.
12 posted on 09/19/2011 10:50:24 AM PDT by opentalk
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13 posted on 09/19/2011 10:51:43 AM PDT by MestaMachine (Wanna confuse obama? Ask him his REAL name.)
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To: opentalk

The “two party” system in this country is a sham, like “pro” wrestling.

They just preach talking points to their respective choirs to give sheeple the false hope they are actually represented in our government.


14 posted on 09/19/2011 10:53:13 AM PDT by MikeSteelBe (Austrian Hitler was as the Halfrican Hitler does.)
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To: sunmars

I guess they still have a few real reporters left that they can’t shut up. They won’t last long.


15 posted on 09/19/2011 10:56:50 AM PDT by ImJustAnotherOkie (zerogottago)
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To: sunmars
Law enforcement sources and others close to the Congressional investigation say the Justice Department's Inspector General obtained the audio tapes several months ago as part of its investigation into Fast and Furious.

Then, the sources say for some reason the Inspector General passed the tapes along to the U.S. Attorney's Office in Arizona: a subject in the investigation. It's unclear why the Inspector General, who is supposed to investigate independently, would turn over evidence to an entity that is itself under investigation. The Inspector General's office had no immediate comment.

It's "unclear."

They had "no immediate comment."


The boss is busy demanding trillions more in taxes.
Handle it you peons.

.

16 posted on 09/19/2011 10:58:33 AM PDT by TLI ( ITINERIS IMPENDEO VALHALLA)
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To: sunmars

I wonder why CBS is doing this? Sorry I do not trust any of them!


17 posted on 09/19/2011 11:02:20 AM PDT by ColdOne (I miss my poochie... Tasha 2000~3/14/11)
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To: ColdOne

This is outrageous. I’m reporting CBS to Attack Watch! http://my.barackobama.com/page/signup/o2012-attackwatch-report-an-attack


18 posted on 09/19/2011 11:09:42 AM PDT by fullchroma
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To: sunmars
And they call that there....Wait for it.....

THE SMOKING GUN.....

Hope Obama packed his PJs.......

19 posted on 09/19/2011 11:15:49 AM PDT by rightwingextremist1776
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To: sunmars; marktwain; Joe Brower

Gunwalker Ping


20 posted on 09/19/2011 11:17:04 AM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: sunmars

21 posted on 09/19/2011 11:19:29 AM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: sunmars
It’s unclear why the Inspector General, who is supposed to investigate independently, would turn over evidence to an entity that is itself under investigation. The Inspector General’s office had no immediate comment.

Because under this admin, IG's who don't play ball end up losing their jobs.
22 posted on 09/19/2011 11:19:36 AM PDT by mmichaels1970
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To: MikeSteelBe
Goldman Sachs people never seem to leave regardless of who is in office (CFR also). This administration is full of Clinton recycles, like Holder. The Clinton/Bush thing is getting old.
23 posted on 09/19/2011 11:29:45 AM PDT by opentalk
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To: sunmars

HOLY CRAP

This is really amazing, CBS digging into a Dem Administration!!!!


24 posted on 09/19/2011 11:33:12 AM PDT by Lazamataz (If Hitler had been as lazy as Obama, the 1940's would have been a very nice decade!!)
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To: sunmars

This thing could make Watergate look like a Kindergarten picnic. WHO THINKS THIS COULD GO ALL THE WAY TO THE WHITE HOUSE STAFF OR AT LEAST UP TO THE ATTY. GEN. ?


25 posted on 09/19/2011 11:33:49 AM PDT by no dems (No matter who it might be, when I find out a person is a Democrat, I lose respect for them.)
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To: sunmars
In the last three or four weeks, CBS has been dogging this story like nothing else.
I remember when CBS was the gold standard of broadcast news. Yeah, it was in the 1940s and 50s...
26 posted on 09/19/2011 11:34:48 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks (I want a Triple A president for our Triple A country)
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To: shield
They’ve gotten the nod to take barry out....

My wife's been saying for a year and a half that barry is a one term President and that he knew it when he went in.

Soros and crew promised him one term and a boat load of cash, and he'd get the entire demonRAT congress behind him for as long as they lasted.

When it's time to go, he'll step aside {he discovers he has cycle cell anemia} and they will run the bitch.

They really think that we will all be gaga over hitlery and so glad to get rid of obama, that even the independents will vote for her.

27 posted on 09/19/2011 11:37:54 AM PDT by USS Alaska (Nuke the terrorist savages.)
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To: sunmars

all I can go by is what she told me..... What SHE told me ....Part of the problem, right there.


28 posted on 09/19/2011 11:40:55 AM PDT by Safetgiver (I'd rather die under a free American sky than live under a Socialist regime.)
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To: no dems
This thing could make Watergate look like a Kindergarten picnic. WHO THINKS THIS COULD GO ALL THE WAY TO THE WHITE HOUSE STAFF OR AT LEAST UP TO THE ATTY. GEN. ?

I agree. Where is the poll so I can cast my vote?
29 posted on 09/19/2011 11:42:25 AM PDT by Cheerio (Barry Hussein Soetoro-0bama=The Complete Destruction of American Capitalism)
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Click the Gadsden flag for pro-gun resources!
30 posted on 09/19/2011 11:42:25 AM PDT by Joe Brower (Sheep have three speeds: "graze", "stampede" and "cower".)
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To: sunmars

I think the MSM has been so in the tank for this president that even they are shocked at the misdeeds, the rampant Chicagoland thuggery that they know about.
I think they think Obama is now a liability to them and they may turn on him and support Hilary. I could be wrong, but this is one of the most corrupt administrations in history and the MSM has covered for them at every level. He should be impeached and the MSM should be prosecuted for failure to properly inform the citizenry of the criminal behavior that’s so obvious.


31 posted on 09/19/2011 11:44:28 AM PDT by sgfan1212
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To: USS Alaska

No one will trust dems for a very long time...PIAPS doesn’t have enough magic to bring Americans back into their fold.


32 posted on 09/19/2011 11:49:48 AM PDT by shield (Rev 2:9 Woe unto those who say they are Judahites and are not, but are of the syna GOG ue of Satan.)
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To: sunmars

Dan Rather must be rolling over in his La-Z-Boy.


33 posted on 09/19/2011 11:50:53 AM PDT by HomeAtLast
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To: sunmars

Obama will just claim he was on vacation.


34 posted on 09/19/2011 11:55:12 AM PDT by bmwcyle (Obama is a Communist, a Muslim, and an illegal alien)
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To: sunmars
See B S? Ut oh, something is just not right. LA Times, Pittsburgh R&T, even the St. Pete Times (Pravda west), have ran stories. Many others (Fox, Tampa Trib, etc.), have also run stories on Fast & Furious, Gunwalker, etc..

This could be the beginning of the democRAT party throwing 0bama under the bus, that he enjoys throwing others under.

Let the games begin...

5.56mm

35 posted on 09/19/2011 12:01:18 PM PDT by M Kehoe
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To: sunmars

I’ll be MORE amazed if CBS actually BROADCAST this. They don’t have to, they can say they reported it and look all fair and balanced, while sucking up to Obama on air.


36 posted on 09/19/2011 12:15:46 PM PDT by cake_crumb (Obama: the Unholy Won.)
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To: rightwingextremist1776

>Depends on who made that tapes...the ATF scumbag or the dealer....

The dealer, according to this: “The tapes were recorded approximately mid-March 2011 by the primary gun dealer [...]”


37 posted on 09/19/2011 12:18:25 PM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: Dogbert41
why they weren’t bugged with GPS

Makes no difference. Even then, Brian Terry would still be dead.

38 posted on 09/19/2011 12:20:57 PM PDT by Da Bilge Troll (Defeatism is not a winning strategy!)
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To: OneWingedShark

Popcorn time...I was ordered to let the guns go to Mexico. WOW.

Meanwhile, the “dope” dealer in the white house is surrounding himself wih “czars”...they are nothing more than heat shields.


39 posted on 09/19/2011 12:24:05 PM PDT by Mouton (Voting is an opiate of the electorate. Nothing changes no matter who wins..)
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To: Dogbert41; All
How difficult and expensive would it have been for our government to imbed these technical spying devices inside wooden AK stocks, or inside an AR15 plastic buttstock?

Very difficult, very expensive, very dangerous to the dealer, and what does it get you? The one that they actually put in a gun, the batteries ran out half way down into Mexico. So, you can say the gun went to Mexico.

Not the most helpful thing in the world.

40 posted on 09/19/2011 12:33:11 PM PDT by marktwain (In an age of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act.)
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To: sunmars

Don’t worry. CBS isn’t going to put any of this on their nightly news and even if they did, their audience is so low and so left wing that they will believe any excuse Obastard wants to tell them.


41 posted on 09/19/2011 12:34:40 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Islam is the religion of Satan and Mohammed was his minion.)
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To: sunmars

Why did the IG turn the evidence over to a subject of his “independent investigation”? My bet is because IG’s who actually do their job get illegally fired by this administration. I’m sure Gerald Walpin would be happy to testify to that fact, if anybody gave him the opportunity.

Everything Obama and his minions have been doing is to DISABLE the mechanisms that normally enforce the rule of law.


42 posted on 09/19/2011 12:41:25 PM PDT by butterdezillion
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The list, ping

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43 posted on 09/19/2011 12:45:34 PM PDT by Nachum (The complete Obama list at www.nachumlist.com)
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To: no dems

“Think”? Had to get approval of the head of ATF (Melson, who spilled the story to Issa), who had to get clearance from Attorney General (Holder, who is stonewalling) for the, um, unorthodox nature of the “sting”, who had to get approval from his boss (oh, who was it, um, some zero, oh...) due to the possible severe international consequences.

This isn’t something the ATF has authority to do on their own. Approval HAD to come from the top.


44 posted on 09/19/2011 12:47:28 PM PDT by ctdonath2 ($1 meals: http://abuckaplate.blogspot.com/)
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To: Dogbert41
But what I didn’t understand is why they weren’t bugged with GPS so that when they got to the cartels,

I believe the answer to that is because there NEVER was a PLAN to actually track the guns.

The guns were allowed to walk for far different reasons.

45 posted on 09/19/2011 12:51:05 PM PDT by VideoDoctor
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To: Dogbert41

Very. It’s not the GPS tracker, it’s the satellite transmitter which is outright untenable.

The process was working fine when ATF was fixated on apprehending the smugglers _before_ they reached the border.

And no, we’re not dropping 1000-pounders on another country just to squash some insects. ...which brings back the core point: being an international “sting” operation which could ONLY succeed via the perpetration of violent crimes in another country, this HAD to get approval from the top. If POTUS didn’t approve this, he’d be crushing one of the 2 or 3 possible people who did approve it, and probably the others just for good measure. Either Holder or Melson should/would be in a SuperMax right now if the O wasn’t involved.


46 posted on 09/19/2011 12:54:01 PM PDT by ctdonath2 ($1 meals: http://abuckaplate.blogspot.com/)
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To: sgfan1212

Ya know, while F&F would require the O’s approval, at minimum Hillary would have to be briefed as a heads-up, if not giving her approval as well.

She has an interest in seeing this does NOT take down the O, lest she go with him.


47 posted on 09/19/2011 12:58:00 PM PDT by ctdonath2 ($1 meals: http://abuckaplate.blogspot.com/)
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To: sunmars

But now, some Obama Mama’s are saying Fast and Furious really began under Bush! It’s all Bush’s fault! LOL.


48 posted on 09/19/2011 12:59:04 PM PDT by 2harddrive
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To: sunmars

I wonder if any of these tapes have a few seconds of blank spot.


49 posted on 09/19/2011 1:02:07 PM PDT by MulberryDraw ( Where's the democrat budget? What's the plan?)
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To: Dogbert41
I could understand letting guns “walk” into Mexico. But what I didn’t understand is why they weren’t bugged with GPS so that when they got to the cartels, we couldn’t drop some 1,000 pound bombs on them, or follow the when they were being brought back across the border!

How difficult and expensive would it have been for our government to imbed these technical spying devices inside wooden AK stocks, or inside an AR15 plastic buttstock? Not very...

That would be great practice for tracking citizens' privately owned firearms.

I'm not at all a fan of it.

50 posted on 09/19/2011 1:08:00 PM PDT by wastedyears (Of course you realize, this means war.)
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