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Rick Perry’s newbie mistake on the Israeli-Palestinian conflict (LOL)
Washington Post ^ | September 19, 2011 | Glenn Kessler

Posted on 09/19/2011 4:12:10 PM PDT by Baladas

Handling the Israeli-Palestinian relationship is one of the most delicate and time-consuming tasks faced by a U.S. president, as demonstrated by this week’s drama concerning the Palestinian push for recognition as a state by the United Nations. In fact, one can argue that missteps early in President Obama’s tenure have helped lead the administration to the crisis it now faces today.

That’s why Perry’s comments to Time magazine struck us as interesting and potentially revealing. How deep is his understanding of this long-running conflict?

The Facts Perry’s statement had three parts: Palestinians must recognize Israel’s existence; they have to denounce terrorism; they have to negotiate with Israel directly. “Anything short of that is a non-starter in my opinion,” he declared.

Perry is stuck in a time warp. He’s describing a situation that existed in the 1980s, not really today. (Some people might argue about some of that, but we will explain below.)

(Excerpt) Read more at washingtonpost.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: israel; msm; perry; plo; rickperry
This guy is one insufferable moonbat. He calls Perry's statements on this "remarkedly uninformed" yet he refers to Obama's policies as "missteps". No wonder nobody reads that rag much anymore.
1 posted on 09/19/2011 4:12:15 PM PDT by Baladas
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To: Baladas

Any one who doesn’t think the last twenty years of
dealing with the lying duplicitis murdering palestinians
is a waste of time doesn’t deserve to be read.
It’s time to start fresh.
Bulldoze Gaza.


2 posted on 09/19/2011 4:16:10 PM PDT by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: Baladas

They won’t get past part one is what my guess is. I bet Perry’s thinking the same thing.


3 posted on 09/19/2011 4:16:40 PM PDT by e_castillo (Drill here drill now...)
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To: Baladas

Perry’s comments sound the most rational out of pretty much everyone I’ve heard except maybe Cain.


4 posted on 09/19/2011 4:16:59 PM PDT by mnehring
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To: e_castillo
Perry has it right.

Put the author on the Bash Perry list!!

5 posted on 09/19/2011 4:18:52 PM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: tet68

“Bulldoze Gaza.”

Napalm first, bulldoze, then repeat until complete......


6 posted on 09/19/2011 4:20:12 PM PDT by roaddog727 (It's the Constitution, Stupid!)
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To: Baladas
Handling the Israeli-Palestinian relationship is one of the most delicate and time-consuming tasks faced by a U.S. president

Seeing how the U.S. is flat broke, with deep, epic escalating problems of it's own, how about they handle their own GD issues without being baby sat by the incompetent in D.C. at tax payer expense.

7 posted on 09/19/2011 4:20:24 PM PDT by dragnet2 ((Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit))
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To: Baladas
The Facts Perry’s statement had three parts: Palestinians must recognize Israel’s existence; they have to denounce terrorism; they have to negotiate with Israel directly. “Anything short of that is a non-starter in my opinion,” he declared.

Perry is stuck in a time warp.

No, Perry isn't stuck on stupid like moronic liberals who believe what the Palestinians say, instead of what they do.

8 posted on 09/19/2011 4:21:06 PM PDT by dirtboy
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To: roaddog727

Deport the arabs back to their native Jordan, Eqypt, Syria, and Lebanon.


9 posted on 09/19/2011 4:23:48 PM PDT by TheThirdRuffian (Nothing to see here. Move along.)
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To: Baladas
Rick Perry’s newbie mistake on the Israeli-Palestinian conflict

Perry is stuck in a time warp. He’s describing a situation that existed in the 1980s, not really today. (Some people might argue about some of that, but we will explain below.)

Oh. So SOME people MIGHT argue about some part or another of Perry's statement but, what the hell, we'll just go ahead and call it a newbie mistake anyways.

But, please, by all means, explain below.

10 posted on 09/19/2011 4:25:11 PM PDT by Texas Eagle (If it wasn't for double-standards, Liberals would have no standards at all -- Texas Eagle)
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To: Baladas
Perry is absolutely right. The writer is hung up on the Oslo Accord, which Hamas and the Obummer have apparently rejected.

The article ends with a sneer because the Perry campaign won't return this guy's phone calls. Another good move by the Perry campaign.

11 posted on 09/19/2011 4:25:30 PM PDT by hsalaw
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To: mnehring
Perry’s comments sound the most rational out of pretty much everyone I’ve heard

That ain't what Ron Paul said! ;-)

12 posted on 09/19/2011 4:25:32 PM PDT by humblegunner (The kinder, gentler version...)
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To: Baladas

Yes, apparently it is the author who is misinformed. The PLO never officially amended their charter, and Arafat’s letters of promise were just that.


13 posted on 09/19/2011 4:26:19 PM PDT by jimmyray
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To: humblegunner

Ron Who?


14 posted on 09/19/2011 4:27:31 PM PDT by roaddog727 (It's the Constitution, Stupid!)
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To: humblegunner

Israel ain’t in the Constitution so Paul doesn’t believe it exists.


15 posted on 09/19/2011 4:27:36 PM PDT by mnehring
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To: Baladas

Perry’s statement seems to imply that there is a right to a Palestinian state.

That is insane!

Jordan was founded as the Palestinian state, and its way bigger than Israel.

Did Jimmah Carter wright Perry’s taking points?


16 posted on 09/19/2011 4:27:36 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Sarah Palin - 2012 !)
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To: mnehring

If there’s any problem with Perry’s picture, it’s that the “Pallie” situation is becoming more and more that of a herd of cats. Trying to get them to unite in a body that could have an explicit diplomatic relationship with Israel might have unwanted side effects.


17 posted on 09/19/2011 4:27:58 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (There's gonna be a Redneck Revolution! (See my freep page) [rednecks come in many colors])
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To: editor-surveyor
Perry’s statement seems to imply that there is a right to a Palestinian state.

No it doesn't, he is just turning the issue on them. The so called Palestinian's and their supporters don't recognize Israel so he is making that the first requirement. That pretty much kills the potential of a Palestinian state right there. Pretty clever.

18 posted on 09/19/2011 4:29:17 PM PDT by mnehring
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To: Baladas

Not seeing anything but reality in Perry’s comments on this issue. If someone does, It’s not Perry with the problem. And I say that as someone whose not a big fan.


19 posted on 09/19/2011 4:30:35 PM PDT by Norm Lenhart (Normie - Chief Druid of Trollhenge: Cult of Palin)
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To: editor-surveyor

..the other thing is requiring they recognize Israel means they have to recognize their legal ownership of the land. If they do that, they are at Israel’s mercy (BTW, you are right about Jordan, most don’t know this part).


20 posted on 09/19/2011 4:33:02 PM PDT by mnehring
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To: Baladas

The writer has a point. Perry was likely prepped with them needing to recognize Israel’s right to exist as a Jewish state—but the details didn’t take any better than they did in biochem.

But there are a dozen better reasons to bash Perry, this is nothing.


21 posted on 09/19/2011 4:33:14 PM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: mnehring

Here’s the Constitution with a search function:

http://www.gpoaccess.gov/constitution/

I don’t see Ron Paul in there either so he can shut the hell up!


22 posted on 09/19/2011 4:36:52 PM PDT by humblegunner (The kinder, gentler version...)
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To: Baladas
I think Obummer and Perry share the same IQ, 110 divided by 2:
23 posted on 09/19/2011 4:38:31 PM PDT by org.whodat (so Perry's purchase price starts at $5001.00: and $29,000 , was a sell.)
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To: Baladas
The author's wiki entry notes he's a member of the CFR, and ...

Kessler's reporting played a role in two foreign policy controversies during the presidency of George W. Bush. He was called to testify in the trial of I. Lewis "Scooter" Libby, in which he was questioned about a 2003 telephone conversation with Libby in which the name of Valerie Plame, a CIA operative, might have been discussed.[3] (Libby recalled they had discussed Plame; Kessler said they did not.[4]) Meanwhile, a 2004 telephone conversation between Kessler and Steve J. Rosen, a senior official at American Israel Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC), was at the core of the AIPAC leaking case.[5] The federal government recorded the call and made it the centerpiece of its 2005 indictment of Rosen and an alleged co-conspirator; the charges were dropped in 2009.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glenn_Kessler_(journalist)

24 posted on 09/19/2011 4:40:17 PM PDT by NativeNewYorker (Freepin' Jew Boy)
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To: Sacajaweau

Exactly! I love how these people attack what conservatives say. They make everyone in my office laugh hard at their little propaganda efforts to make right wrong and what is up down. I especially love when they say things like ‘It is a consensus, the smart people say....’ or we are all in agreement except for the extremists’.

The people who watch the news now know the crap being pulled and now they play to those ignorant masses on the left only.

We need not ever cater to them as we Conservatives are the majority no matter how much the Marxists and Progressives in the media tell us otherwise.


25 posted on 09/19/2011 4:44:41 PM PDT by DebraAI
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To: roaddog727

“Bulldoze Gaza.”

Napalm first, bulldoze, then repeat until complete......

You make it sound so simple. Sorry to burst your bubble, you can't do that when you depend so heavily on Saudi Arabia for Oil. You cannot do that if you have significant numbers of American troops on Islamic soil. And you can't do that when you know full well that such an action will send the Saudis straight into the hands of the Chinese and the Russians.

You might not realise it, we live in an interconnected World. Tough talk might make us feel happy, but tough talk takes us nowhere.

26 posted on 09/19/2011 4:44:57 PM PDT by AfricanChristian
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To: Baladas

Nope. Perry is not stuck in a time warp. He is extremely pro-Israel.

He means it. I support it. All else is silliness. Without #1 there is no reason for further discussion.

1. Recognize Israel’s right to exist.
2. Denounce Terror
3. Deal directly with Israel.


27 posted on 09/19/2011 4:54:32 PM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! True Supporters of our Troops PRAY for their VICTORY!)
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To: AfricanChristian
"You might not realise it, we live in an interconnected World."

You might not realize it, but the Saudis and most other Arab states despise the Palestinians for the vermin that they are. They only use them as a club to beat Israel with. No one is setting about to wipe out the Palestinians, but most Arabs would breathe a huge sigh of relief if it happened.

28 posted on 09/19/2011 4:57:06 PM PDT by Batrachian (Not every human problem deserves a law.)
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To: xzins

The author of this piece seems to be the one stuck in the time warp — the PLO no longer controls Gaza: Hamas does.

Hamas manifestly does not recognize Israel’s right to exist.


29 posted on 09/19/2011 5:12:40 PM PDT by absalom01 (You should do your duty in all things. You can never do more, you should never wish to do less.)
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To: Baladas

“Perry is stuck in a time warp. He’s describing a situation that existed in the 1980s, not really today.”

Precisely. Under Obama, all of those requirements have been abolished. The requirements today are: (1) Israel must eliminate all settlements on the West Bank and Golan, (2) Israel must recognize Palestine’s right to exist, (3) Israel must renounce terrorism.


30 posted on 09/19/2011 5:22:24 PM PDT by Brilliant
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To: Baladas

Yeah, I was wondering if Rick Perry thought there are “50” states or “57” states.

Piss on the mainstream media. They suck. They are in the tank, eager to fellate Hussein EVERY DAY OF THE WEEK.


31 posted on 09/19/2011 5:34:34 PM PDT by Recovering_Democrat
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To: Batrachian

The Arab street is different from the House of Saud.

The events in Egypt should convince you that the Arab Street has a soft spot for Palestinians. Mubarak did not, the House of Saud may not.


32 posted on 09/19/2011 5:45:21 PM PDT by AfricanChristian
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To: AfricanChristian

Sorry to burst yours, but we really don’t need Saudi Arabia either. Not when you look at the real reserves the US has (we just aren’t ALLOWED to extract them).

Make no mistake. The islamic fundies want us dead, dead, dead. The only reason we haven’t been hit harder than we have thus far is because we pay, pay, pay for their oil.

Soon, there will come a time when it’s us or them. Are YOU ready for that?

I am.

And yes, it is simple. Live or die. A very binary situation.


33 posted on 09/19/2011 5:52:31 PM PDT by roaddog727 (It's the Constitution, Stupid!)
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To: AfricanChristian

All we have to do is remove our troops from their soil.

We do not need their oil.


34 posted on 09/19/2011 6:25:01 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Sarah Palin - 2012 !)
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To: TheThirdRuffian

Jordan doesn’t want them. The last time they lived in Jordan, they tried to assassinate the leader. This led to the killing of 70,000 “Palestinians” and their exile.


35 posted on 09/19/2011 6:36:59 PM PDT by Ingtar (Together we go broke (from a Pookie18 post))
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To: Baladas
Handling the Israeli-Palestinian relationship is one of the most delicate and time-consuming tasks faced by a U.S. president

It doesn't have to be. Tell the Silica Amish that we will give Israel as many weapons as it takes to make the whole region Kosher, and we hope you don't like it.

36 posted on 09/19/2011 6:37:32 PM PDT by Feckless (I was trained by the US << This Tagline Censored by FR >> ain't that irOnic?)
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To: roaddog727
“Bulldoze Gaza.”

Napalm first, bulldoze, then repeat until complete......


As a Viet Nam veteran, I always felt the best way to take care of that little venture was to take all the good Viet Namese and put them to sea in a single kayak. Nuke both North and South Viet Nam. Sink the kayak. Then pave the entire country and turn it into a parking lot for SE Asia.

I actually think the same thing should be done for the Middle East to include North Africa.

Bring all the Jews and Christians to the US, and start dropping the big ones.
37 posted on 09/19/2011 6:37:45 PM PDT by Misplaced Texan (July 4, 2009 - the first day of the 2nd Revolution!)
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To: AfricanChristian

You’re right, but it’s you who brought up geopolitics.


38 posted on 09/19/2011 6:49:54 PM PDT by Batrachian (Not every human problem deserves a law.)
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To: humblegunner

Ron Paul is really out there. He does not like Israel. He has been in politics for many years in TX.


39 posted on 09/19/2011 7:23:56 PM PDT by Grey Eagle
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To: Baladas

“insufferable moonbat.”

Indeed!

The old saying is that a man is entitled to his own opinions but not his on facts. this insuffable moonbats take his own slanted opinions about things, calls them ‘facts’ and puts a ‘fact checker’ hat on to declare Perry ‘wrong’ or ‘liar’ when in fact he’s got a different - and wrong - opinion about the PLO and palestinian leadership.

The keys words Perry used were:
“. They have to denounce terrorism in both word AND DEED.”

Palestinians have given words at different times but their DEEDS make clear that they do NOT recognize Israel’s right to exist and continue (at least Hamas continues) to attack Israeli people and communities.

Apparently this ‘fact checker thinks that because there were some times between 1993 and today when Palestinians and Israelis talked that somehow Perry is ‘out of step’ for pointing out that RIGHT NOW the Palestinians are acting in a state of war with the israelis.

A WashPost comment on it.


Umm . . . Mr. “Fact Checker”. . . LOL! If they don’t live up to their pledge, doesn’t that render the pledge null and void. I know it’s a difficult concept for people like you, but words stated without the intent to follow through on them are simply propaganda—LIES.

Perry’s statement is the most concise and correct I’ve seen on the issue. Until the Palestinians stop their terrorist attacks—that includes missiles—and renounce terrorism as a legitimate tactic (you are aware that Hamas is a designated terrorist organization, aren’t you?) AND MEAN IT, (you did see that caveat there, “in word AND DEED”) there will be no peace and no state for the Arabs who now call themselves “Palestinians.”

As long as Hamas remains dedicated to the destruction of Israel and is supported by other terrorist sponsoring nations like Iran, there will be no Palestinian state and no peace agreement.

I give your article Three Pinocchios . . . not bad for the WaPo being the liberal rag it is.


40 posted on 09/19/2011 7:34:53 PM PDT by WOSG
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To: Misplaced Texan

I like your’s better.......


41 posted on 09/20/2011 3:07:52 AM PDT by roaddog727 (It's the Constitution, Stupid!)
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To: roaddog727

So you’ll happily let Gazprom and Sinopec replace ExxonMobil and ChevronTexaco in Saudi Arabia.

You might have no problem with that, but the power brokers in America wont.

America is a trading nation, understand that. The last time you could comfortably shut out the rest of the World and live happily was 1946.

Oil is fungible, and it doesn’t matter were you drill it from, if the Saudi’s manipulate the prices - it affects everyone.


42 posted on 09/20/2011 3:14:02 AM PDT by AfricanChristian
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To: AfricanChristian

So what?

Oil is fungible. and there is supply and demand to consider.

Once we are allowed to get to the resources over here, this will have a significant impact on the global marketplace.

And yes, the US is a trading nation. Better to trade from a position of strength than a position of weakness.


43 posted on 09/20/2011 7:35:33 AM PDT by roaddog727 (It's the Constitution, Stupid!)
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To: roaddog727

You haven’t been looking at supply and demand trends. US Oil consumption is about 21 million bpd, while domestic production is only about 6 million bpd. Even if you were to signficantly ramp up domestic production, it will be very difficult to get to 21 million bpd.

The US population is expected to grow, so the 21 million bpd figure is expected to rise.

We have not considered China. Total number of registered automobiles in China is 60 million, in nine years time the figure is expected to reach 200 million.

What about India. India is likely to add an equivalent amount of automobiles in nine years time, so we could very easily be talking about a USA’s worth of new automobiles by 2020.

(I haven’t considered other fast growing nations with significant populations like Indonesia and Brazil).

I know it is fashionable for American conservatives to talk about drilling to solve all energy problems. By all means we should drill, but let’s stop pretending that given future consumption trends, that drilling will solve all our problems.

With future consumption trends, Saudi Arabia will still be a factor and $150 / $200 a barrel Oil will be with us, whether we drill or not. We need to drill, but we also need to find ways to improve energy efficiency.


44 posted on 09/20/2011 1:13:28 PM PDT by AfricanChristian
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