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A future for drones: Automated killing
Washington Post ^ | September 19 | Peter Finn

Posted on 09/20/2011 5:36:05 AM PDT by markomalley

One afternoon last fall at Fort Benning, Ga., two model-size planes took off, climbed to 800 and 1,000 feet, and began criss-crossing the military base in search of an orange, green and blue tarp.

The automated, unpiloted planes worked on their own, with no human guidance, no hand on any control.

After 20 minutes, one of the aircraft, carrying a computer that processed images from an onboard camera, zeroed in on the tarp and contacted the second plane, which flew nearby and used its own sensors to examine the colorful object. Then one of the aircraft signaled to an unmanned car on the ground so it could take a final, close-up look.

Target confirmed.

(Excerpt) Read more at washingtonpost.com ...


TOPICS: Extended News; Government
KEYWORDS: miltech; uav
Sarah Conner, paging Sarah Conner. Please pick up the white courtesy phone.

((wink))

1 posted on 09/20/2011 5:36:08 AM PDT by markomalley
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To: markomalley

2 posted on 09/20/2011 5:39:27 AM PDT by Virginia Ridgerunner (Sarah Palin has crossed the Rubicon!)
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To: markomalley

Greeeeeeaaaattt..... < /s>


3 posted on 09/20/2011 5:42:56 AM PDT by Lazamataz (If Hitler had been as lazy as Obama, the 1940's would have been a very nice decade!!)
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To: markomalley

The plans for this technology are probably already on their way to China.


4 posted on 09/20/2011 5:44:22 AM PDT by Venturer
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To: markomalley
The killing of terrorism suspects and insurgents by armed drones, controlled by pilots sitting in bases thousands of miles away in the western United States, has prompted criticism that the technology makes war too antiseptic.

This is the kind of thinking you get when you inject political correctness into a war. It started with Vietnam, when some politico decided to overrule the generals who should be running the war and said we can no longer bomb Hanoi. Sorry, Bucko, but war is hell on earth and the faster and more intense you make it so on your enemy, the sooner you both can return to a non-war status. Whether it's a Dr Spock type refusing to discipline a child or one of the children calling themselves a politician in DC who is trying to run a war they know nothing about, their actions ultimately make life worse.

5 posted on 09/20/2011 5:49:48 AM PDT by econjack (Some people are dumber than soup.)
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To: markomalley

Why can’t they work on something usefull like a AI vending machine that can tell when I’m thirsty/hungry...and come find me with a coke and a pack of M&M’s? LOL


6 posted on 09/20/2011 5:50:11 AM PDT by jakerobins
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To: markomalley
1.A robot may not injure a human being or, through inaction, allow a human being to come to harm.

2.A robot must obey any orders given to it by human beings, except where such orders would conflict with the First Law.

3.A robot must protect its own existence as long as such protection does not conflict with the First or Second Law.

7 posted on 09/20/2011 5:51:42 AM PDT by ASA Vet (Natural-born citizens, are those born in the country, of parents who are citizens. De Vattel)
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To: markomalley

Some of those surgical-style attacks are too precise to instil the additional fear of collateral damage to the enemy. The more they fear being attacked by us the better.


8 posted on 09/20/2011 5:54:07 AM PDT by equaviator ("There's a (datum) plane on the horizon coming in...see it?")
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To: econjack
The killing of terrorism suspects and insurgents by armed drones, controlled by pilots sitting in bases thousands of miles away in the western United States, has prompted criticism that the technology makes war too antiseptic.

I'm sure that the Romans thought the same thing about the Parthians galloping around on horses and shooting them with arrows. Didn't help Crassus much.
9 posted on 09/20/2011 6:01:51 AM PDT by GonzoGOP (There are millions of paranoid people in the world and they are all out to get me.)
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To: Travis McGee

Ping.


10 posted on 09/20/2011 6:03:41 AM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: econjack
This is the kind of thinking you get when you inject political correctness into a war. It started with Vietnam

No, it started earlier than Nam.

It started September 18, 1947 when the pc nuclear guilt folks turned the Department of WAR into the National Military Establishment (NME),
in preparation for downgrading to the Department of Defense (DoD,) in 1949.

11 posted on 09/20/2011 6:05:54 AM PDT by ASA Vet (Natural-born citizens, are those born in the country, of parents who are citizens. De Vattel)
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To: markomalley

Not just in the air-

http://edboyden.org/orcapapr.pdf


12 posted on 09/20/2011 6:07:30 AM PDT by seton89 (Starve the Beast)
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To: GonzoGOP

Stinkin’ Parthian hoodlums. Probably smoked cigarettes and listened to loud music, too. Crassus was a good singer, though. It was said that he had a golden throat.


13 posted on 09/20/2011 6:37:07 AM PDT by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: econjack

“This is the kind of thinking you get when you inject political correctness into a war. It started with Vietnam, when some politico decided to overrule the generals who should be running the war and said we can no longer bomb Hanoi. Sorry, Bucko, but war is hell on earth and the faster and more intense you make it so on your enemy, the sooner you both can return to a non-war status. Whether it’s a Dr Spock type refusing to discipline a child or one of the children calling themselves a politician in DC who is trying to run a war they know nothing about, their actions ultimately make life worse.”

You are absolutely correct!


14 posted on 09/20/2011 6:40:48 AM PDT by mongo141
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To: ASA Vet

You forgot the Zeroth Law: No robot can injure humanity, nor allow humanity to come to harm through its inaction.

Giskard.


15 posted on 09/20/2011 6:54:56 AM PDT by Don W (You can forget what you do for a living when your knees are in the breeze.)
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To: Don W
No, I didn't forget it. I just went with Dr. Asimov's original 1942 thinking.

Met him once, What a brain.

16 posted on 09/20/2011 7:04:16 AM PDT by ASA Vet (Natural-born citizens, are those born in the country, of parents who are citizens. De Vattel)
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To: markomalley

Note to self. Replace blue tarp covering boat with camo tarp.


17 posted on 09/20/2011 7:09:51 AM PDT by 6SJ7 (atlasShruggedInd = TRUE)
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To: markomalley
Gaudium et Spes and other V2 documents noted that modern technology (ca mid-1960's) raised the indiscriminate power of weapons to such a degree that war was becoming increasingly morally depraved.

This new micro-computer drone stuff may be -- in the right hands, with the right plans --- the remedy: by making weapons more precise in targeting, more discriminating in terms of shielding noncombatants, and more effective in obliterating the most important enemy military assets.

It seems to me that nothing was more indiscriminate that siege-warfare such as practiced against Jericho, Jerusalem, or any one of a thousand other places in the two millennia, say, between 600 BC and 1400 AD --- well before the advent of modern weapons of mass destruction. Starvation is a WMD. The subsequent cholera, typhoid and dysentery upon the weakened populations, are WMD. As are the finale, the coming of the siege engines and the tireless, merciless swords.

Surely it is more morally acceptable to go after identified enemy Mujahiddin armed to kill, than against the combatant's habibi and his baby. Antiseptic drone warfare? The more antiseptic, the better.

18 posted on 09/20/2011 7:11:34 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o ("It is God our Savior's will that all men be saved, and come to a knowledge of the truth." 1 Tim 2:4)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

“It is well that war is so terrible, else we should grow too fond of it.”

R.E.Lee


19 posted on 09/20/2011 7:17:40 AM PDT by Mashood
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To: Mashood

That may be, to a person of noble spirit like Marse Robert, but I fear that men of more depraved character are excited by personally shooting and killing, and mutilating bodies afterward. As well, some atrocities are perperated even by normal, decent men in the grip of extended fear, anger, and physical and emotional exhaustion. The less we put our own good men into hellish situations like that, the better. I speak as the mother of a Marine Iraq veteran.


20 posted on 09/20/2011 7:26:03 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o ("It is God our Savior's will that all men be saved, and come to a knowledge of the truth." 1 Tim 2:4)
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To: 6SJ7

I love the practical nature of FReepers.


21 posted on 09/20/2011 7:32:09 AM PDT by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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To: 6SJ7

I love the practical nature of FReepers.


22 posted on 09/20/2011 7:32:22 AM PDT by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

“The less we put our own good men into hellish situations like that, the better.”

I’m all for that...


23 posted on 09/20/2011 7:35:37 AM PDT by Mashood
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To: markomalley

Does anyone recall the sci-fi story of the advanced civilization where wars are fought by computers that determine the outcome of a battle?

Then the computers dictates how many casualties were sustained by each army and each side must exterminate that number of people.

I can’t recall if it is a book or perhaps a Star Trek episode.


24 posted on 09/20/2011 7:55:36 AM PDT by Iron Munro (Muslims who advocate, support, or carry out Jihad give the other 1% a bad name)
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To: Iron Munro

Star Trek.


25 posted on 09/20/2011 7:59:23 AM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: ASA Vet

Wow. I’d have loved to meet him. I thoroughly enjoyed the entire Foundation series, even after it got repetitive. The whole series in still in my bookshelf. I think I’m going to re-read some of it, just because it’s there.

What a prolific writer, and versatile thinker. Pity he was somewhat left of centre, but that is beside the point.

Oh, I remember now that it was R. Daneel Olivaw, not R. Giskard, that came up with the zeroth law, FWIW.

Thanks for the memory twig.


26 posted on 09/20/2011 8:53:57 AM PDT by Don W (You can forget what you do for a living when your knees are in the breeze.)
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To: Iron Munro
I can’t recall if it is a book or perhaps a Star Trek episode.

It was a Star Trek episode.

Regards,
GtG

27 posted on 09/20/2011 8:56:43 AM PDT by Gandalf_The_Gray (I live in my own little world, I like it 'cuz they know me here.)
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To: Virginia Ridgerunner

Stupid special effects folks! Gatlings only fire when the barrels index into one, single, fixed position. In the other positions they are ejecting, loading, and cooling... Totally bogus!


28 posted on 09/20/2011 10:11:01 AM PDT by TXnMA ("Allah": Satan's current alias...)
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To: Gandalf_The_Gray; DuncanWaring

Yeah, I loved how that episode was resolved when Captain Kirk threatened to completely destroy the aggressor planet if they did not stop the exterminations. Prime Directive my butt! :)


29 posted on 09/20/2011 10:18:27 AM PDT by Virginia Ridgerunner (Sarah Palin has crossed the Rubicon!)
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To: Gandalf_The_Gray; DuncanWaring
"Star Wars"

Thanks.


30 posted on 09/20/2011 10:34:47 AM PDT by Iron Munro (Muslims who advocate, support, or carry out Jihad give the other 1% a bad name)
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