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US House speaker: giving government more tax money like 'giving a cocaine addict more cocaine'
The Republic ^ | Sep 19, 555pm | Dan Sewell

Posted on 09/20/2011 6:23:09 AM PDT by xzins

CINCINNATI — U.S. House Speaker John Boehner said Monday he agrees with President Barack Obama that everyone should pay their fair share of taxes, but that "class warfare" and higher taxes won't solve the nation's economic problems.

The Ohio Republican spoke to a business group luncheon at the University of Cincinnati less than two hours after Obama detailed a deficit reduction plan that includes higher taxes for wealthy Americans.

"I understand that it's easy to go out there and talk about taxing billionaires," Boehner said, but he said "class warfare isn't leadership" and the big need is to get people back to work amid a 9.1 percent unemployment rate.

"At a time when spending is out of control, giving the federal government more money would be like giving a cocaine addict more cocaine," he said.

Boehner said he supports a "fairer and flatter" tax code that eliminates loopholes.

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TOPICS: Breaking News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: 112th; addict; addiction; boehner; broke; budget; debt; economy; nobama2012; obama; obamanomics; spending; spent; taxandspend
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1 posted on 09/20/2011 6:23:18 AM PDT by xzins
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To: xzins

Let’s not be deceived. The tax increases will happen and Bayner will be complicit.


2 posted on 09/20/2011 6:25:33 AM PDT by demshateGod (The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God.)
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To: xzins

Question then: So why’s it okay to bail out Europe?


3 posted on 09/20/2011 6:27:24 AM PDT by mewzilla (Forget a third party. We need a second one.)
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To: demshateGod

Hey Boner!

See us out here wid da pitch forks?


4 posted on 09/20/2011 6:29:05 AM PDT by kennyboy509 ( Ha! I kill me!!!)
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To: xzins

That’s racist. He’s saying Obama is a another black crack head. sarc/


5 posted on 09/20/2011 6:29:15 AM PDT by BO Stinkss
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To: demshateGod

Probably so. In spite of his words, my BS meter goes off everytime I hear the guy speak.

As for taxes... yeah. No matter who’s in charge, nothing is EVER going to change. Would it be great to have a flat tax and eliminate personal income taxes? You bet. Imagine how good it would feel to wake up one morning and realize it’s none of the government’s damn business how much money you make and how you make it (as long as you make it legally, of course). I’d gladly pay a 25% tax on everything if that could happen... but it won’t.


6 posted on 09/20/2011 6:29:34 AM PDT by Pravious
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To: xzins

“Giving government money and power is like giving car keys and whiskey to a teenage boy” - P.J. O’Rourke ...


7 posted on 09/20/2011 6:30:18 AM PDT by Responsibility2nd (NO LIBS! This means liberals AND libertarians (same thing) NO LIBS!)
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To: demshateGod
Nonsense. Boehner hasn't compromised on this yet and the pressure was more intense before.

Now basically nobody thinks Obama will get his tax hike.

8 posted on 09/20/2011 6:31:14 AM PDT by Siena Dreaming
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To: xzins
Boehner said he supports a "fairer and flatter" tax code that eliminates loopholes.

BINGO. The democrat plan, just like Obamacare and the EPA is to make very high rates, and then give exceptions to their big donors. Low flat rate, and no waivers. When Obama's buddies have to pay the same tax rates as the rest of us they won't be so enthusiastic about high tax rates.
9 posted on 09/20/2011 6:32:02 AM PDT by GonzoGOP (There are millions of paranoid people in the world and they are all out to get me.)
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To: xzins
"At a time when spending is out of control, giving the federal government more money would be like giving a cocaine addict more cocaine," he said.

Didn't obama admit he had used cocaine in college?

The House Pubs will take a lot of heat for saying they want to work with obama, but it is the right move politically. The media and the Rats have been able to spin that the debt mess is the Pubs fault. The "moderates" are not as news savvy as conservatives and the poll ratings for the House are way down. We need to win this election and the next 14 months is going to force our leadership to say a lot of things we will want to push back at.

Somehow, we need to get through this campaign season. It will be tough because we are probably heading into anotyher recession after Greece defaults.

10 posted on 09/20/2011 6:32:40 AM PDT by wmfights (If you want change support SenateConservatives.com)
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To: demshateGod; mewzilla
Make no mistake, Boehner is an old fiscal conservative. That is the nature of republicanism in this region where I live.

But, this quote from him represents what I believe to be his true feelings.

And he's right.

Giving an addict more cocaine is not an answer. More tax money is simply more money to spend.

When the cuts to pay for the spending are ten years in the future or are imaginary (we won't be spending money that we wouldn't be spending anyway....the war when we withdraw), then we are saying that the CURRENT RATE OF INCREASE OF SPENDING must be enhanced by MORE SPENDING.

It is insanity...even to a traditional fiscal conservative.

11 posted on 09/20/2011 6:33:28 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! True Supporters of our Troops PRAY for their VICTORY!)
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To: demshateGod
The tax increases will happen and Bayner will be complicit.

Why do you say this?

12 posted on 09/20/2011 6:33:53 AM PDT by wmfights (If you want change support SenateConservatives.com)
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To: xzins

13 posted on 09/20/2011 6:34:15 AM PDT by maggief
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To: xzins

14 posted on 09/20/2011 6:35:34 AM PDT by VanDeKoik (1 million in stimulus dollars paid for this tagline!)
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To: xzins

Then why has the GOP said bupkis about bailing out the EU?


15 posted on 09/20/2011 6:35:34 AM PDT by mewzilla (Forget a third party. We need a second one.)
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To: xzins
Pot had helped, and booze; maybe a little blow when you could afford it.

- Dreams From My Father

16 posted on 09/20/2011 6:36:03 AM PDT by edpc (Former Normalcy Bias Victim)
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To: xzins
...everyone should pay their fair share of taxes...

I can't even begin to tell you how PO'ed I get when I hear this litany over and over from both sides of the fence. Bull$$$$! When the top 10% of the wage earners foot almost 70% of the total tax receipts, the "fair share" crap goes out the window. That's why I say: Throw the IRS Code out the window and start over with a 17% flat tax. You could do away with 99% of the IRS and file your tax return on a postcard. The IRS Code would be one sentence...you don't need any more. Now, lobbying makes no sense on the tax side of the Tax-and-Spend politicians...half the problem solved. Now that's how you level the playing field and everyone pays their "fair share". You don't get fairness by giving the people who crafted the IRS Code in the first place a second chance to do it again. It's time for the people to say: Do it my way or your gone...and mean it!

17 posted on 09/20/2011 6:37:04 AM PDT by econjack (Some people are dumber than soup.)
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To: BO Stinkss

“That’s racist. He’s saying Obama is a another black crack head. sarc/”

Hey, that’s not fair—dontchaknow that was Bushs fault? He made him do it.


18 posted on 09/20/2011 6:37:16 AM PDT by freeangel ( (free speech is only good until someone else doesn't like it)
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To: Pravious; demshateGod
In spite of his words, my BS meter goes off everytime I hear the guy speak.

Why do you say this?

The Pubs control 1 branch of the legislative part of our govt. The Rats control the other half. The Rats control the executive and a large part of the judiciary. Why exactly don't you think the Speaker is honest?

19 posted on 09/20/2011 6:38:32 AM PDT by wmfights (If you want change support SenateConservatives.com)
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To: xzins
John Boehner said Monday he agrees with President Barack Obama that everyone should pay their fair share of taxes

Who gets to decide what is someones fair share?

20 posted on 09/20/2011 6:40:37 AM PDT by oldbrowser (Obama is a one trick phony (wealth distribution).)
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To: wmfights

I think he did use cocaine. Now he uses everyone.

What conservatives need to keep in mind is what control of the house means. It means that any decision you make can probably be over-ridden by a president/senate with control of the media.

It also means that with only 25 seats separating you from a defeat in your own house that you must count how many on your side are willing to vote with democrats when push comes to shove.

I think there are at least 25 dem voters in republican ranks.


21 posted on 09/20/2011 6:41:22 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! True Supporters of our Troops PRAY for their VICTORY!)
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To: wmfights

If I may, the GOP controls the house where spending bills originate. The GOP could stymie a lot if they the guts. In addition, have you seen any attempt made by the GOP to repeal baseline budgeting, or even make it an issue...?


22 posted on 09/20/2011 6:42:09 AM PDT by mewzilla (Forget a third party. We need a second one.)
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To: xzins

Interesting analogy given the Larry Sinclair accusation.


23 posted on 09/20/2011 6:43:37 AM PDT by liberalh8ter
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To: Pravious

Stop payroll tax deductions. Make everyone write a quarterly check to the IRS. Lots of people don’t even know how much they make before deductions. I asked a Lib friend, several years ago, how much he made each week. He said, “I take home,,,,” I finally got him to pay close attention to ALL the taxes he paid,, on EVERYTHING. He’s now a Conservative. Took a while, but becoming aware of his tax burden got the ball rolling.


24 posted on 09/20/2011 6:43:40 AM PDT by Dr. Bogus Pachysandra ( Ya can't pick up a turd by the clean end!)
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To: xzins; demshateGod; mewzilla
When the cuts to pay for the spending are ten years in the future or are imaginary...

This is why I'm not going to lose sleep when the "super committee" fails and the "draconian cuts" to the military and medicare are enacted. These cuts will be for 1 year and then their budgets will be restored if the Pubs take over. Also, because of the scare there will be stronger support for cutting other areas of the govt and reforming entitlements.

25 posted on 09/20/2011 6:44:23 AM PDT by wmfights (If you want change support SenateConservatives.com)
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To: econjack

I don’t mind the phrase “fair share”, but I think they are looking at the wrong people.

Those who are paying nothing are not paying their fair share. And giving money to a program that gives more back to you some day than you put in is not sharing in the “taxation.” It’s simply sharing in an income diversion program.

Fairness would be everyone paying exactly the same rate on CONSUMPTION....a sales tax.


26 posted on 09/20/2011 6:44:33 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! True Supporters of our Troops PRAY for their VICTORY!)
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To: xzins; All

As Obama likes to say, “LET ME BE VERY CLEAR...”

A Democrat without OTHER PEOPLE’S MONEY (OPM) is powerless. They can’t spread the money around to buy favors and votes without OPM.

And like most addicts, they will scream bloody murder, call you every name in the book, and even accuse you of MURDER when you take away the drug-of-choice.

The Cocaine addict analogy is spot-on. (And likely a jab at Obama’s suspected habit, as well!)


27 posted on 09/20/2011 6:45:10 AM PDT by tcrlaf (Democrats have been OUTFORCING America's jobs for 40 years)
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To: tcrlaf

Exactly. This is a good line from Boehner.


28 posted on 09/20/2011 6:47:52 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! True Supporters of our Troops PRAY for their VICTORY!)
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To: xzins
I think there are at least 25 dem voters in republican ranks.

This is the tightrope the Speaker always walks. Not all Pubs are conservatives. Also, while conservatives want things fixed NOW and are willing to risk losing their majority for it the Rats are only looking to get a majority again. Our opponent is not driven by the same desires. The Rats religion is govt and they want it under their control. They will lie. They will destroy the free enterprise system if it means they are in control.

29 posted on 09/20/2011 6:51:33 AM PDT by wmfights (If you want change support SenateConservatives.com)
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To: xzins

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sdj-g3wnj7U


30 posted on 09/20/2011 6:57:09 AM PDT by left that other site (Psalm 122:6)
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To: Siena Dreaming

Eliminate loopholes = tax increase.


31 posted on 09/20/2011 6:57:09 AM PDT by demshateGod (The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God.)
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To: BO Stinkss
Wha...Man.....I....Un.....Hey..............


32 posted on 09/20/2011 6:57:26 AM PDT by Evil Slayer (Onward, Christian soldiers, marching as to war)
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To: wmfights

He’ll compromise and raise taxes, making a deal with the Rats and the media who’ll make it sound as if it’s not a tax increase. Closing loopholes? What are those loopholes? Write offs? If you have to pay more in taxes, taxes are increased.


33 posted on 09/20/2011 7:00:27 AM PDT by demshateGod (The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God.)
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To: mewzilla
The GOP could stymie a lot if they the guts.

The govt has been operating without a budget for 3 yrs. The Rats didn't want to get pinned down when they had complete control and now don't want a budget because the various appropriation bills would eliminate a lot of what they are doing. Every time the Pubs push to the edge of a shutdown the media machine kicks in, the propaganda of the Rats, and the public begins to start in with the "can't we all work together" refrain.

In addition, have you seen any attempt made by the GOP to repeal baseline budgeting, or even make it an issue...?

The House passed the Ryan Budget proposal which begins to address this issue. The House passed Cut, Cap and Balance which dealt with this. The Senate won't even discuss this and the media won't report on it. The Pubs can go to war on this right now when they don't have enough to win, or they can push to get enough votes to win and then do it.

34 posted on 09/20/2011 7:02:45 AM PDT by wmfights (If you want change support SenateConservatives.com)
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To: GonzoGOP

What the heck is a loophole anyway? A deduction?


35 posted on 09/20/2011 7:03:25 AM PDT by Loud Mime (AJM - 1 Mar 1924 - 17 Sept 2010 - - Thanks Dad!)
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To: mewzilla

If their strategy is to hold on till we get a new pres, they could do absolutely nothing on this issue. But they won’t, they’ll offer up a lite version of Marxism. Like they always do.


36 posted on 09/20/2011 7:04:11 AM PDT by demshateGod (The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God.)
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To: demshateGod
He’ll compromise and raise taxes, making a deal with the Rats and the media who’ll make it sound as if it’s not a tax increase.

He has not done this yet, why would he do it when he's in a stronger position.

What are those loopholes? Write offs? If you have to pay more in taxes, taxes are increased.

The devil is in the details.

37 posted on 09/20/2011 7:08:37 AM PDT by wmfights (If you want change support SenateConservatives.com)
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To: wmfights

Many of our conservatives are uneducated about the legislative process (or act that way), many are simply purist and argumentative, and many are fickle.

That’s why we’re busy knocking off conservative presidential candidates and giving Romney a free ride.


38 posted on 09/20/2011 7:15:05 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! True Supporters of our Troops PRAY for their VICTORY!)
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To: xzins

I wonder if that was a secret message to Obama - since the word cocaine was specifically used.

I always thought that during the 2008 campaign Obama used “doubling down” as some kind of secret message to McCain who was rumored to have gambling issues.


39 posted on 09/20/2011 7:15:12 AM PDT by nolongerademocrat ("Before you ask G-d for something, first thank G-d for what you already have." B'rachot 30b)
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To: nolongerademocrat

wouldn’t surprise me


40 posted on 09/20/2011 7:16:05 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! True Supporters of our Troops PRAY for their VICTORY!)
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To: Loud Mime
What the heck is a loophole anyway? A deduction?

The ones I have a problem with are deductions that are not available to the general public. They are a deduction so cryptically worded that it can only apply to one or possibly a few companies or individuals. They are granted much like the Obamacare waivers. Soros got a big one, creating new category of funds that are not subject to disclosure. Google got one that allows them to pay the 12% Irish on their income instead of the much higher US rate. If you have friends and a handy checkbook you can get a special deduction written for you. Just like you can get special exemptions from environmental law, protection from the Labor Relations Board or waivers from Obamacare.

Equal protection under the law. We all pay the same rate, no special deals that are not available to everyone.
41 posted on 09/20/2011 7:18:16 AM PDT by GonzoGOP (There are millions of paranoid people in the world and they are all out to get me.)
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To: xzins

Forced charity (taxation for social spending) robs the giver of the blessing of giving and the recipient of the humility and thankfulness of receiving. Government redistribution is not what God intended when he asked us to take care of the poor.


42 posted on 09/20/2011 7:19:11 AM PDT by Rockitz (This isn't rocket science- follow the money and you'll find truth.)
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To: nolongerademocrat

Note to self: Remember also that there were rumors that Obama threatened Hillary out of the race by threatening to release damaging information about Bill’s continued infidelities.

Also - it’s the Chicago way - and we already know what a POS Obama can be.

Maybe Boehner has something he’s willing to drop on Obama about continued drug usage.


43 posted on 09/20/2011 7:19:29 AM PDT by nolongerademocrat ("Before you ask G-d for something, first thank G-d for what you already have." B'rachot 30b)
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To: mewzilla

Because the Fed bailed out Europe, not Congress. Congress has little insight or control over the Fed. It was designed that way.


44 posted on 09/20/2011 7:28:34 AM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: xzins
Many of our conservatives are uneducated about the legislative process (or act that way), many are simply purist and argumentative, and many are fickle.

It's easier to be a "right fighter" than to look at the situation and see what you can get today and still be able to come back another day for more. I think the Pubs have won great victories already. The obama juggernaut has been stopped. Tax increases are going nowhere and the Rats are losing the debate because the Pubs are countering with "lower the rates and remove loopholes". The Pubs have put forward and passed substantive bills addressing fiscal reforms and all the Rats can do is not allow them to be voted on.

Probably the best thing the Pubs have done is maneuvered obama into his class warfare rhetoric to try and get his base fired up. Mondale was trounced when he ran on raising taxes.

That’s why we’re busy knocking off conservative presidential candidates and giving Romney a free ride.

Everything seems to be moving in that direction, but I think Perry has a couple things coming that will help him. Also, Perry seems to be weathering the storm and has not "buckled" on his positions. If he can get through the next couple months okay I think the right will wise up and see he's our best hope.

45 posted on 09/20/2011 7:37:59 AM PDT by wmfights (If you want change support SenateConservatives.com)
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To: demshateGod

Even Boner will not go along with tax increases unless he wants to lose his speaker position. Everyone knows that 0bama is just playing to his base and he is not doing anything substantive.


46 posted on 09/20/2011 7:49:16 AM PDT by grumpygresh (Democrats delenda est)
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To: demshateGod

Why would he start voting for tax increases now? For all of my beefs with the Speaker, I don’t see him doing that.


47 posted on 09/20/2011 7:49:35 AM PDT by RockinRight (Carter Obama and Reagan the nation!)
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To: xzins

Time for the Gov’t to get an Intervention! Start a Detox program......


48 posted on 09/20/2011 7:54:43 AM PDT by jakerobins
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To: xzins
What conservatives need to keep in mind is what control of the house means. It means that any decision you make can probably be over-ridden by a president/senate with control of the media.

I have to disagree with you. All bills that have a spending component have to START in the House. Since the republicans control the house, the republicans control the purse strings. There is no better power than to control the purse strings.

49 posted on 09/20/2011 8:19:26 AM PDT by Go Gordon (He's so bad, even the people from Kenya insist Obama was born in the USA)
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To: demshateGod
Eliminate loopholes = tax increase.

Not necessarily. They said combine lower tax rates AND eliminate loopholes.

50 posted on 09/20/2011 8:21:57 AM PDT by Go Gordon (He's so bad, even the people from Kenya insist Obama was born in the USA)
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