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Professors Offer $11,000 for Proving Bachmann's HPV Vaccine Story
International Business Times ^ | 09/16/2011

Posted on 09/20/2011 9:22:56 AM PDT by SeekAndFind

Two bioethics professors have said that they are willing to pay $11,000 for medical records that could prove that the story Rep. Michele Bachmann told about the toxicity of HPV vaccine, after Monday night's GOP presidential debate, is true.

Bachmann first raised the HPV (human papillomavirus) vaccine issue during the presidential debate, attacking Texas Gov. Rick Perry, who issued an executive order in 2007 mandating that girls get the HPV vaccine as part of a school immunization requirement. She questioned the state's authority to force "innocent little 12-year-old girls" to have a "government injection" that was "potentially dangerous."

The following day, she told NBC's "Today" show the story of a woman from Tampa, Florida, who approached her after the debate and said her daughter became "mentally retarded" after getting the Gardasil vaccine made by Merck.

Steven Miles, a bioethics professor at the University of Minnesota, is offering $1,000 if medical records of the woman from Bachmann's story can be produced for scrutiny by a medical professional. Following Miles' offer, his former boss from the University of Minnesota, Art Caplan, who is now director of the University of Pennsylvania Center for Bioethics, offered $10,000 for proof of the HPV vaccine victim, Minneapolis Star Tribune reported.

"These types of messages in this climate have the capacity to do enormous public health harm," Miles said of why he made the offer. "The woman, assuming she exists, put this claim into the public domain and it's an extremely serious claim and it deserves to be analyzed."

Bachmann's comments on the vaccine's toxicity have drawn heavy criticism from medical professionals who fear the damage has already been done.

"Since the vaccine has been introduced (in 2006), more than 35 million doses have been administered, and it has an excellent safety record," Dr. O. Marion Burton, president of the American Academy of Pediatrics said in a statement.

Bachmann repeated the story to several news outlets over the next 24 hours after the presidential debate, and sent a fundraising letter to supporters about the exchange she had with Perry on the debate stage. But when she was pressed by Fox News' Sean Hannity on his radio program about the story, Bachmann said she had "no idea" if it was true.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: captaingardasil; falsepromises; hpv; michelebachmann; perrycare; professors; rinorick; vaccine

1 posted on 09/20/2011 9:23:04 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

old news


2 posted on 09/20/2011 9:24:16 AM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: SeekAndFind

EDIT TO ADD, Randall Hoven of the American Thinker tells us that Bachmann is right and the Professors should now pay up.

See here :

http://www.americanthinker.com/printpage/?url=http://www.americanthinker.com/articles/../2011/09/hey_professors_pay_up.html

EXCERPT:

I ask the professors to look up a case in the CDC’s VAERS database. Specifically, VAERS number 380440. The case was reported in Oregon on February 15, 2010. The patient was 12 years old. The symptoms in that case were reported in the VAERS database as follows. (My emphases.)

Since receiving 1st dose of Gardasil, I started noticing a decline in my child’s mental health. She has become depressed and has extreme difficulty concentrating. Shortly after receiving her 3rd dose of the vaccine, she started having stomach pains. These have continued to this date. We have had an ultrasound, CT scan, blood and urine work done, still no answers.

The professors might also look up VAERS case number 396852. That case was reported in New York on August 8, 2010. The patient was 20 years old.

Was called by outside institution. Pt is admitted for acute mental status change. Physician caring for Pt states she is very disorganized in her thinking. Pt prior was normal functioning. Pt is still hospitilized in psychiatric hospital x 5 days.

The professors might also look up VAERS case number 339718. That case was reported in Indiana on February 17, 2009. The patient was 13 years old.

CLICK ABOVE LINK FOR THE REST.

Hoven’s references are from the VAERS (Vaccine Event Reporting System of the HHS ) Database:

http://vaers.hhs.gov/data/data#downloading


3 posted on 09/20/2011 9:25:28 AM PDT by SeekAndFind (u)
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To: driftdiver

RE: Old news

Sure it is, but the latest developments ( see Post #3 ) are not.

I Could have posted The American Thinker article but FR does not allow me to.


4 posted on 09/20/2011 9:27:22 AM PDT by SeekAndFind (u)
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To: SeekAndFind

all I ever heard her say was a woman said that about her own kid. I never heard her make the claim on her own.


5 posted on 09/20/2011 9:28:33 AM PDT by rokkitapps ( Hearings on healthcare waivers NOW! (If you agree make this your tagline))
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To: SeekAndFind

Yes there have been stories dating back to 2008 of similiar problems.


6 posted on 09/20/2011 9:29:20 AM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Thanks for the update. Sometimes you have to be careful what you say and do because there are always “smarty pants” ready to pounce on you. 8-)


7 posted on 09/20/2011 9:30:01 AM PDT by No Socialist
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To: SeekAndFind
Cancer vaccine programme suspended after 4 girls Die (Gardasil)
truthaboutgardasil.org ^ | 7/5/10 | staff
FR Posted on Monday, September 19, 2011

The Indian Council of Medical Research (ICMR) has told Andhra Pradesh and Gujarat to immediately suspend the cervical cancer control vaccination programme for girls. The programme is part of a two-year study to look into the utility of a vaccine in public health programmes and acceptability of Gardasil, the human papillomavirus (HPV) vaccine made by Merck.

Gardasil, available in medical stores across the country, is marketed in India by MSD Pharmaceuticals Pvt Ltd. The programme was marred by controversy after four deaths and complications among 120 girls were reported after vaccination.

The girls complained of stomach disorders, epilepsy, headaches and early menarche. Women activists fear the vaccine may impact the mental health of girls who have shown no signs of distress so far. Health ministry sources said the vaccination programme is being conducted by Gardasil, jointly with PATH, a Seattle-based NGO, ICMR and the two state governments. About 32,000 girls, aged 10-14, were to be tested in the study.

(Excerpt) Read more at truthaboutgardasil.org ...

8 posted on 09/20/2011 9:31:13 AM PDT by Liz (The rule of law must prevail. We can’t govern ourselves by our personal point of view.)
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To: rokkitapps

dont let facts get in the way of bashing bachmann, that seems to be the thing to do


9 posted on 09/20/2011 9:32:11 AM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: No Socialist

RE: Thanks for the update. Sometimes you have to be careful what you say and do because there are always “smarty pants” ready to pounce on you. 8-)

______________________________________________________________________________

What we really need right now, is for someone with a national listenership ( e.g. Rush Limbaugh or Sean Hannity or Michael Savage ) to make this article public.

Maybe they could invite Randall Hoven for an interview.

This issue is very important to just let go and ought to get public hearing.

Of the three radio personalities I mentioned, I am willing to bet Michael Savage would be the one who would most want to tackle this.


10 posted on 09/20/2011 9:33:34 AM PDT by SeekAndFind (u)
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To: No Socialist

the freeper attacks on Bachmann over this subject have been terrible


11 posted on 09/20/2011 9:35:57 AM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Guess we know where Perry’s Merck Money (tm) went!


12 posted on 09/20/2011 9:37:34 AM PDT by Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus ("A gentleman considers what is just; a small man considers what is expedient.")
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To: driftdiver

RE: the freeper attacks on Bachmann over this subject have been terrible

MORAL: Hold the attacks until all facts are in.


13 posted on 09/20/2011 9:38:58 AM PDT by SeekAndFind (u)
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To: SeekAndFind
Whether she's right, or she's wrong ... I have a real problem with a Gov’t official dictating that everyone must be vaccinated against a noncommunicable disease. That is not Conservatism, that is tyranny.
14 posted on 09/20/2011 9:41:01 AM PDT by Hodar ( Who needs laws; when this FEELS so right?)
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To: SeekAndFind

You’d have to take a look at a large number of cases to glean much from this. Very common drugs like prednisone and ciprofloxacin and other antibiotics are very common drugs that cause mental status changes.

I’ve treated numerous patients who have become manic and psychotic on the above.

Three cases don’t make convincing evidence. What’s needed is a long-term prospective study to prove much of anything or numerous case reports at the very least.


15 posted on 09/20/2011 9:41:49 AM PDT by CaspersGh0sts
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To: SeekAndFind

Didn’t click through to the link, but perhaps you would know if they definitely linked this to the Gardisil, or if there could have been other factors at work?

Bachman should have done this research before her speech. Doing it the way she did, it looked like just another wild claim. Had she quoted from the paper you listed above, she could have at lest put it out there as something that is documented, at least as far as it goes—would still like to see if there were other factors involved.

One thing that irks me to no end is all this hysteria over any and all vaccinations. I lost a dear cousin (he was 9, I was 10) to polio, just before the vaccinations became widely available. Vaccinations do a lot of good, and not having them is going to bring a lot of horrors as some of these diseases have a place to thrive again.

Vaccinations are not evil—but the diseases they prevent are.


16 posted on 09/20/2011 9:45:18 AM PDT by MizSterious (Apparently, there's no honor when it comes to someone else's retirement funds.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Problem is the wording. You can be born with “mental retardation”. You cannot acquire it after birth. It is then called brain damage. That is why they will never pay. She could produce this woman and it could be proven that the drug caused serious brain damage, but since it didn’t cause “mental retardation” they need not pay.

At least, that is the way I am reading this. I could be wrong. I was wrong once many years ago and I did not like it one bit.


17 posted on 09/20/2011 9:46:32 AM PDT by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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To: SeekAndFind

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2780640/posts

Cancer vaccine programme suspended after 4 girls Die(Gardasil)

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2780628/posts


18 posted on 09/20/2011 9:47:15 AM PDT by Dr. Bogus Pachysandra ( Ya can't pick up a turd by the clean end!)
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To: CaspersGh0sts

Be that as it may ( and I do not disagree with what you said ), I don;t see why Michele Bachmann should be attacked if a parent told her that the vaccine affected her.

She is simply telling the interviewer what she heard. She never gave a medical opinion.

The only good justification for an attack on her is that of HONESTY. We do not know if this person is real or made up.

If real, then Bachmann is being truthful. If not, then she’s a liar.

Can anyone prove it one way or the other? What about offering money to the Woman for her to come out?


19 posted on 09/20/2011 9:48:17 AM PDT by SeekAndFind (u)
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To: SeekAndFind
The 2006 population of women in the US per the census was 151,795,031.
Number of cervical cancer cases diagnosed in 2005 per the CDC was 11,999.
Therefore, 00.07904% of women were diagnosed with cervical cancer that year.
The number of deaths by cervical cancer in 2005 were 3,924.
Percentage of cervical cancer death incidence was 00.00258%.

The Gardasil complication rate is at least .375%.
The Gardasil death rate is .0125% .

20 posted on 09/20/2011 9:50:58 AM PDT by Diogenesis ("Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. " Pres. Ronald Reagan)
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To: CaspersGh0sts

Might want to do those studies before issuing an EO forcing people to use it.

Or starting a massive marketing campaign.


21 posted on 09/20/2011 9:51:07 AM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: Diogenesis

Boy I’ve been attacked for saying the same thing. But you said it better. I bet you’ll be asked for sources.


22 posted on 09/20/2011 9:52:28 AM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: driftdiver

That is because of her willingness to take an unsubstantiated comment as the gospel truth.


23 posted on 09/20/2011 9:52:58 AM PDT by arrogantsob (Why do They hate her so much?)
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To: SeekAndFind

$11,000? Pikers.


24 posted on 09/20/2011 9:54:00 AM PDT by TheLawyerFormerlyKnownAsAl
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To: Hodar

When the Government is forced to pick up the tab for the acts of the irresponsible I believe they do have some say. For example, welfare. When women keep getting pregnant as a source of income, the Government should have a right to say no more children. Why should the taxpayer be stuck paying the bill. The same could be said in this case. We have a lot parents out there that have no idea what their kids are doing, like having sex, or maybe they do know and just don’t care. Whatever the result is the same. That being more sex will equal more diseases. The Government will have to pick up the tab for those that get the virus and don’t have insurance. Rather then say you must buy health insurance a better way is to say we are immunizing you so you don’t get sick. As long as people are looking for the Government to help them out they will always have a say.


25 posted on 09/20/2011 9:54:29 AM PDT by jerseyrocks
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To: arrogantsob

No it was because some people will look for any reason to attack a candidate they don’t like


26 posted on 09/20/2011 9:55:29 AM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: cuban leaf
You can be born with “mental retardation”. You cannot acquire it after birth.

That is emphatically untrue. Nobody is born a Democrat.

27 posted on 09/20/2011 9:55:46 AM PDT by Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus ("A gentleman considers what is just; a small man considers what is expedient.")
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To: SeekAndFind

Ever hear of “post hoc ergo propter hoc?”

This article doesn’t win the prize.


28 posted on 09/20/2011 9:56:54 AM PDT by freedumb2003 (California: Making Texas more Conservative one voter at a time)
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To: Liz

This article has been posted before and leaves many questions unanswered. It also provides little information so little as to be useless.

If this drug was so dangerous the Democrat lawyers would be swarming on the victims like flies on a cow pie.


29 posted on 09/20/2011 9:57:18 AM PDT by arrogantsob (Why do They hate her so much?)
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To: SeekAndFind

Another moral: document your claims before making them, and the attacks would diminish. When I heard what she said, I was dismayed that she would say something like that based simply on the word of a woman in the crowd. There should have at least been a mention of this paper—at the very least.

And the jury is still out, unless and until we know all the facts of this case, and if there are others, and so on.

Politicians are not doctors or scientists, and I know it’s hard to ignore something that appears to be a danger. But before it’s stated as fact, there really are some important steps to follow. Remember the the false hype about DDT, just for instance?


30 posted on 09/20/2011 9:58:20 AM PDT by MizSterious (Apparently, there's no honor when it comes to someone else's retirement funds.)
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To: SeekAndFind

This article does not show mental retardation.


31 posted on 09/20/2011 9:58:43 AM PDT by arrogantsob (Why do They hate her so much?)
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To: cuban leaf

>>Problem is the wording. You can be born with “mental retardation”. You cannot acquire it after birth.<<

Then explain all people who join the democrat party...


32 posted on 09/20/2011 9:59:11 AM PDT by freedumb2003 (California: Making Texas more Conservative one voter at a time)
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To: CaspersGh0sts

Thank you—real voice of reason at last.


33 posted on 09/20/2011 10:00:06 AM PDT by MizSterious (Apparently, there's no honor when it comes to someone else's retirement funds.)
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To: rokkitapps
all I ever heard her say was a woman said that about her own kid. I never heard her make the claim on her own.

True, but not really relevant. It was an explosive claim, and Bachmann was irresponsible for relaying it without making an effort to verify it.

34 posted on 09/20/2011 10:00:52 AM PDT by Constitutionalist Conservative (Palin or Perry, whoever is ahead in the delegate count on primary day)
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To: driftdiver

Yes, driftdiver, they have. Oddly enough, they always start out calm and considerate - a disagreement with Bachmann over vaccine. But I can guarantee it will morph into something strange and awful. I want to wean myself away from it because it’s so draining to be drawn into the fight.


35 posted on 09/20/2011 10:02:49 AM PDT by miss marmelstein (Run, Sarah, Run! Please!)
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To: jerseyrocks
The Government will have to pick up the tab for those that get the virus and don’t have insurance. Rather then say you must buy health insurance a better way is to say we are immunizing you so you don’t get sick. As long as people are looking for the Government to help them out they will always have a say.

First, you are simply wrong - a VAST majority of Americans have health insurance - we are talking upwards of 85% of Americans have health insurance. So, the Gov't will NOT be picking up the tab.

My view is diametrically opposed to yours, you see - I feel that I am NOT the property of the Gov't. You feel that you, and your children are property of the Gov't.

Is this a good vaccine? Yup, I'd strongly urge my kids to get it. But, I will fight to the death to prevent anyone from forcibly administrering it to me, or my family. This is OUR choice, because WE are free people.

You apparently feel the need to be chattel.

36 posted on 09/20/2011 10:05:38 AM PDT by Hodar ( Who needs laws; when this FEELS so right?)
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To: driftdiver

Not true. I was a fan before this. Now I’m on the fence until more facts come in.


37 posted on 09/20/2011 10:06:24 AM PDT by MizSterious (Apparently, there's no honor when it comes to someone else's retirement funds.)
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To: driftdiver

Come on Bachmann has a history of this kind of thing. And it won’t be the last example.

However, it does sound like you are describing the Perry-phobic.

I doubt very much that you would take the word of a stranger about any important issue then trumpet it as the truth.


38 posted on 09/20/2011 10:09:53 AM PDT by arrogantsob (Why do They hate her so much?)
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To: driftdiver

It’s stunned me how many “good conservatives” have rallied around the pharma industry vs. Bachmann and supported the right of the government to mandate that you put something into your or your child’s body.

How those same people can oppose the Obamacare mandate with a straight face, I’ll never tell you.


39 posted on 09/20/2011 12:14:39 PM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: SeekAndFind; All

I have a question for anyone in the medical field that might know. Can a patients’ medical history be taken into consideration when dealing with HPV? Could it be possible that the patients’ in the examples given(or even the girl in Bachmann’s story)that suffered brain damage have had other medical issues that would raise a red flag that they may have adverse reactions to the drug? There are statistics out there that Asprin causes hunderds of deaths a year yet millions of people take Asprin on the daily basis. Most of these deaths would be from pre-existing conditions known or unknown. I’m just curious as to what the pre-existing health was of the patients’ that are used as examples.


40 posted on 09/20/2011 12:51:14 PM PDT by ReaganBaby26
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To: Diogenesis

Don’t more people die from falling in the bathtub? I think Bachmann did a great dis-service to this country. I believe vacinations are important. I get my dog her rabbies shot every two years. I got my children every shot the law required and they are now healthy and strong parents. Geeze Louise, give me a break!


41 posted on 09/20/2011 1:04:57 PM PDT by New Jersey Realist (Congress doesn't care a damn about "we the people")
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To: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus

You are wrong here. There is such a thing as a “liberal gene”. http://www.nbcsandiego.com/news/weird/Scientists-May-Have-IDd-Liberal-Gene-105917218.html.

Scientific study proves it.


42 posted on 09/20/2011 1:08:15 PM PDT by New Jersey Realist (Congress doesn't care a damn about "we the people")
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To: Diogenesis

The 2006 population of women in the US per the census was 151,795,031.
Number of cervical cancer cases diagnosed in 2005 per the CDC was 11,999.
Therefore, 00.07904% of women were diagnosed with cervical cancer that year.
The number of deaths by cervical cancer in 2005 were 3,924.
Percentage of cervical cancer death incidence was 00.00258%.

The Gardasil complication rate is at least .375%.
The Gardasil death rate is .0125% .


You left some things out:

- If gardasil works, it’ll only protect against two forms of HPV that (supposedly) protect against 70% of cervical cancers, not all cervical cancer
- Gardasil will need boosters every 5 years. if a woman doesn’t get the boosters, she won’t be protected at all
- Merck admits that they don’t even know for sure that gardasil will work. HPV has a 15-20 year incubation period before it causes cancer. Merck only followed their test subjects for 1.5-3 years. (It was those subjects that showed a 17% reduction in HPV infections vs. controls - not the 70% that should’ve been had gardasil worked as well as promised)

Gardasil is NOT worth the risk and should NOT be mandatory.


43 posted on 09/20/2011 1:24:04 PM PDT by Marie (I agree with almost everything that Perry is saying. I just wish that *he* did.)
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To: driftdiver

“No it was because some people will look for any reason to attack a candidate they don’t like.”

For example, their hair style.


44 posted on 09/20/2011 2:06:48 PM PDT by Magic Fingers
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