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Attorney General in Mexico: 200 Murders Result of Operation Fast and Furious
Town Hall ^ | 9//20/11 | Katie Pavlich

Posted on 09/20/2011 11:37:47 AM PDT by Nachum

In a conference call this morning with Chairman of the House Oversight Committee Darrell Issa, reporters were told the Attorney General in Mexico has confirmed at least 200 murders south of the border happened as a result of Operation Fast and Furious. Eleven crimes in the United States have been linked to Operation Fast and Furious up to this point. Issa said he expects as the investigation in the operation continues, more crimes connected to Fast and Furious will come to light and be exposed. This is not surprising, considering out of 2500 weapons the Obama Justice Department allowed to “walk,” and that only 600 have been recovered, the rest are lost until they show up at violent crime scenes. The damage from Operation Fast and Furious has only started to be seen. Remember, the Mexican Government and ATF agents working in Mexico were left completely in the dark about the operation.

July 26, 2011

A new report released by Issa’s office shows ATF agents working in Mexico were left in the dark about the details of Operation Fast and Furious. The report shows that in late 2009, ATF officials in Mexico began to see increasing amounts of guns traced to the Phoenix ATF Field Division office showing up at violent crime scenes. Former ATF Attaché to Mexico Darren Gil and ATF Acting Attaché to Mexico Carlos Canino expressed their concerns to officials in the Phoenix Field Office and in Washington D.C. but were ignored. The report shows ATF and DOJ “failed to share crucial details of the of Operation Fast and Furious with either their own employees stationed in Mexico or representatives of the Government of Mexico.” Specifically, personnel in Arizona denied ATF agents working in Mexico information directly related to their jobs and everyday operations.

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1 posted on 09/20/2011 11:37:52 AM PDT by Nachum
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To: Jet Jaguar; NorwegianViking; ExTexasRedhead; HollyB; FromLori; EricTheRed_VocalMinority; ...

The list, ping

Let me know if you would like to be on or off the ping list

http://www.nachumlist.com/solyndra.htm


2 posted on 09/20/2011 11:39:20 AM PDT by Nachum (The complete Obama list at www.nachumlist.com)
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To: harpseal; TexasCowboy; nunya bidness; AAABEST; Travis McGee; Squantos; wku man; SLB; ...
Click the Gadsden flag for pro-gun resources!
3 posted on 09/20/2011 11:40:09 AM PDT by Joe Brower (Sheep have three speeds: "graze", "stampede" and "cower".)
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To: Nachum

Gunwalker: very, very lame or a cynical-to-hell plot. Either way not good.


4 posted on 09/20/2011 11:40:13 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (There's gonna be a Redneck Revolution! (See my freep page) [rednecks come in many colors])
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To: Nachum

If someone had done the same to us, we would call it terrorism.


5 posted on 09/20/2011 11:41:17 AM PDT by cripplecreek (A vote for Amnesty is a vote for a permanent Democrat majority. ..Choose well.)
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To: Nachum

How’s that Hopey Changey werkin’ out fer ya there, Mexico ^^


6 posted on 09/20/2011 11:41:56 AM PDT by chris37 (representative)
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To: MestaMachine

Ping!

“In a conference call this morning with Chairman of the House Oversight Committee Darrell Issa, reporters were told the Attorney General in Mexico has confirmed at least 200 murders south of the border happened as a result of Operation Fast and Furious.

Eleven crimes in the United States have been linked to Operation Fast and Furious up to this point.”


7 posted on 09/20/2011 11:42:49 AM PDT by thouworm (.)
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To: Nachum

you can’t impose socialism on an armed populous, the ends justify the means comrade


8 posted on 09/20/2011 11:43:11 AM PDT by Jeff Vader (Palin 2012)
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To: Nachum

Is it possible that this is not about tracking guns but about getting guns into Mexico?

This is really beginning to look bad, as if their is money changing hands over the border.


9 posted on 09/20/2011 11:43:31 AM PDT by texmexis best
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To: Nachum

Yer doin a heckuva job, Holdie!!! Give’m Hell, Issa!!


10 posted on 09/20/2011 11:46:00 AM PDT by Calusa (The pump don't work cause the vandals took the handles. Quoth Bob Dylan.)
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To: Nachum

I still think 0bie did this with the approval of the pres of Mexico. Then Mexico could sue U.S. and get money that way. I think they still will do that. One of many reason the admin did this.


11 posted on 09/20/2011 11:49:56 AM PDT by ColdOne (I miss my poochie... Tasha 2000~3/14/11)
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To: vette6387; MetaThought; 60Gunner; XHogPilot; FreedomPoster; Josephat; Prince of Space; ...

FOR REFERENCE:

DAVID CODREA'S PROJECT GUNWALKER

A Journalist's guide to 'Project Gunwalker'-Part One

A Journalist's Guide to 'Project Gunwalker'-Part Two

A Journalist's Guide to 'Project Gunwalker'-Part Three

A Journalist's Guide to 'Project Gunwalker'-Part Four

A Journalist's Guide to 'Project Gunwalker'-Part Five

A Journalist's Guide to 'Project Gunwalker'-Part Six


12 posted on 09/20/2011 11:51:27 AM PDT by MestaMachine (Wanna confuse obama? Ask him his REAL name.)
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To: ColdOne

Let’s hope Issa is able to convince the Mexican government to testify as to what they knew.


13 posted on 09/20/2011 11:54:31 AM PDT by Jonty30
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To: ColdOne
I still think 0bie did this with the approval of the pres of Mexico. Then Mexico could sue U.S. and get money that way.

Could be, could be.

It would fit in with everything else he's been doing to bankrupt our country.

14 posted on 09/20/2011 11:56:01 AM PDT by Max in Utah (A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within.)
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To: Nachum

This is certainly proving to be the most corrupt administration we’ve ever had. This stuff makes Watergate look like child’s play. Even with all the stiffs stinking up Clinton’s criminal playground, there was never this kind of carnage.

I can’t wait for the expose movies, but I bet I will have to.


15 posted on 09/20/2011 11:59:47 AM PDT by pallis
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To: Nachum

You know this plays into the “guns kill people” attitude, versus the “people kill people”, right? It’s as if you’re saying the criminals would not have just picked up a different weapon to commit the murder. Which leads to the next logical step that we should ban future gun sales.

I’d be careful with this one - the issue is not that people died (which is horrible) it’s that they let the guns go so far that they were out of their control.


16 posted on 09/20/2011 12:00:16 PM PDT by Liberty Tree Surgeon (Mow your own lawn!)
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To: Nachum

Obama lied; hundreds died.

SOB should be impeached.


17 posted on 09/20/2011 12:00:45 PM PDT by ScottinVA (With "successes" like the Libya adventure, who needs failure?)
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To: Nachum

To be honest, I think the Mexican criminals would have gotten the guns somewhere else but I still like the idea of blaming the libs who always blamed the guns for crime not the criminals.


18 posted on 09/20/2011 12:01:36 PM PDT by yarddog
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To: Nachum

An illegal act which results in death, where the fact that deaths would result as a consequence of the act would be evident to a reasonable man, has the potential to send a LOT of people to prison.


19 posted on 09/20/2011 12:03:38 PM PDT by PapaBear3625 (When you've only heard lies your entire life, the truth sounds insane.)
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To: Nachum

OK so....the first black Prez is the first Prez to murder over 200 Mexicans in peace time, right?

Wow, that sounds super bad.

Gosh.

It’s almost like a US gov’t official could get EXTRADITED, you know?

Gosh, with what we know about the street reality of L.A. etc, I suuuuure would not want to be a black guy in a Mexican prison, you know?

I wonder what they might do to ya every night.

GOSH.


20 posted on 09/20/2011 12:03:49 PM PDT by gaijin
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To: Liberty Tree Surgeon

Just saw your post, I obviously agree with you.


21 posted on 09/20/2011 12:04:40 PM PDT by yarddog
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To: Nachum

bttt


22 posted on 09/20/2011 12:05:58 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (When I grow up I'm gonna settle down/ Chew honeycomb and drive a tractor, grow things in the ground.)
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To: Nachum

hussein says-—look over there at Solyandra—nobody died there.


23 posted on 09/20/2011 12:06:59 PM PDT by freeangel ( (free speech is only good until someone else doesn't like it)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

Just sent to Drudge


24 posted on 09/20/2011 12:07:40 PM PDT by GlockThe Vote (The Obama Adminstration: The flash mob who wonÂ’t leave.)
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To: cripplecreek

More like an act of war since the gov did this directly and not through cutouts.


25 posted on 09/20/2011 12:07:55 PM PDT by TigersEye (Life is about choices. Your choices. Make good ones.)
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To: Nachum

The Tyrant’s AG: ”It matters not.
I serve him, and HE is your King."

26 posted on 09/20/2011 12:08:58 PM PDT by Diogenesis ("Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. " Pres. Ronald Reagan)
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To: Nachum

You gotta fold Eric Holder
Before he gets older
His creepy lawlessness
Is almost done

You never count on leftists
To protect our country’s interests
‘Cause when they’re done with their mischief
The results ain’t fun.

(Apologies to Kenny Rogers)


27 posted on 09/20/2011 12:09:11 PM PDT by Maceman (Obama: As American as nasei goreng)
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To: Nachum; Joe Brower

28 posted on 09/20/2011 12:09:30 PM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: texmexis best
Is it possible that this is not about tracking guns but about getting guns into Mexico?

You are late to this story, I think.

Gunrunner was a program started under the Bush Admin that would allow firearm transfers to suspected gun traffickers. Those firearms all had GPS tracking devices inside and arrests were made shortly after the perpetrator left the store (to deliver the goods) or if they were close to the border.

In 2009, the program was altered and a new chapter, called Fast and Furious was started. This is where sales were forced by BATFE (the buyer failed the instant background check) even though the dealer was seeing the same people come back over and over again.

The firearms did not have tracking equipment in them and no effort was made to follow the firearms. Most crossed the border into Mexico (hence, some journalists called it Gun Walker).

It is now revealed that this program was not just in Phoenix, but in Florida and Indiana as well. Congress cannot get answers if it took place in Texas as well.

We have also found out that some of the criminals were paid government informants using taxpayer money to purchase firearms (even though they were convicted felons) and selling those firearms in Mexico to drug gangs.

When some BATFE agents raised concerns with their managers about allowing these firearms to escape into criminal hands, those managers told them (from an e-mail) "you have to break some eggs to make omlettes"

The DOJ was involved (they oversee the BATFE) and we know other departments were involved. All are blocking Congressional investigations into the matter.

There are e-mails and statements proving this program was known by people in the White House as well.

I think that summarizes the issue, but others may add more.

29 posted on 09/20/2011 12:13:05 PM PDT by Erik Latranyi
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To: Liberty Tree Surgeon

Knowingly supplying murderers with weapons goes a little beyond the basic liberal logic that more guns means more crime. I think even the slowest in society will understand that “murderers kill people” and that specifically arming murderers is a little different than simply having firearms available to the general public.


30 posted on 09/20/2011 12:16:24 PM PDT by TigersEye (Life is about choices. Your choices. Make good ones.)
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To: cripplecreek
If someone had done the same to us, we would call it terrorism.

If you peruse the comments on articles re Gun Walker in the Mexican press you'll find that the Mexican street considers it terrorism or, more specifically, they see it as an attempt by the Nortes to destabilize the Mexican gov't as a pretext to invade and seize the northern Mexican states.

31 posted on 09/20/2011 12:28:58 PM PDT by Paine in the Neck (Where's he getting these ideas? He's not smart enough to be that stupid all by himself.)
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To: texmexis best
Is it possible that this is not about tracking guns but about getting guns into Mexico?

Ha...pallet loads of drug money can buy all the weapons you want

....grenades, IED's and rocket launchers were not in Fast and Furious but are used by the Mexican drug gangs.

32 posted on 09/20/2011 12:35:50 PM PDT by spokeshave (Obamas approval ratings are so low, Kenyans are accusing him of being born in the USA.)
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To: spokeshave
....Yeah....and what happened to the Mexican guy that shot up some National Guard members in Nevada with an AK47 a couple of weeks ago....?

........crickets.........

33 posted on 09/20/2011 12:38:51 PM PDT by spokeshave (Obamas approval ratings are so low, Kenyans are accusing him of being born in the USA.)
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To: spokeshave

It was all about getting more identifiably American guns into the mix. That way they can blame American gun culture for their problems.

That is one reason you are not hearing much out of Mexico over this.

Of course some Mexicans have no idea what is going on and will jump at any reason to attack the U.S.


34 posted on 09/20/2011 12:41:03 PM PDT by yarddog
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To: yarddog

What are just 200 dead insignificant peons compared to the Socialist Dream of Destroying the Constitution, or to the Glory Of Obama?


35 posted on 09/20/2011 12:42:33 PM PDT by tcrlaf (Democrats have been OUTFORCING America's jobs for 40 years)
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To: Nachum

If it only saves one life!

Oh, wait.

Wrong thread.

Where’s the HuffPost gun control thread?


36 posted on 09/20/2011 12:43:26 PM PDT by Westbrook
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To: Nachum
If you're going to make an omelet, you've got to break some eggs

(CBS News story from March 3, over a month before anyone told Eric Holder that his agencies had run amok.)
37 posted on 09/20/2011 1:15:23 PM PDT by publiusF27
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To: publiusF27

Great link publius. I am stealing that for sure.


38 posted on 09/20/2011 1:19:35 PM PDT by Nachum (The complete Obama list at www.nachumlist.com)
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To: Nachum

OK, it breaks my heart but...give them Obama to stand trial


39 posted on 09/20/2011 1:27:03 PM PDT by phockthis
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To: GlockThe Vote

Good move!


40 posted on 09/20/2011 1:38:49 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (When I grow up I'm gonna settle down/ Chew honeycomb and drive a tractor, grow things in the ground.)
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To: Nachum

Congressional Representative Myrick’s update

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iq9K90bvaX0&feature=related

somehow fits in BO’s big picture under the radar. A counter argument to what the ex branch was trying to set up?


41 posted on 09/20/2011 1:49:24 PM PDT by MurrietaMadman
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To: Nachum

Still below the estimated 300 AIDS deaths (or maybe it was 300 cases) in Canada from the tainted blood from Arkansas prisons...one of the Clinton scandals that went unpunished. But give Fast & Furious time—undoubtedly there will be more murders in the future as a result of the program.


42 posted on 09/20/2011 2:17:29 PM PDT by Verginius Rufus
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To: Verginius Rufus
...undoubtedly there will be more murders in the future as a result of the program.

Undoubtedly. In the end, the death toll will likely be not in the hundreds but thousands. And a lot of them will be in this country.

43 posted on 09/20/2011 2:51:31 PM PDT by Gritty (The US economy has been "stimulated" to a bloody pulp by the racketeers in Washington-Mark Steyn)
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To: Nachum

Wanna see REALLy scary stuff?

http://www.borderlandbeat.com/2011/09/whistle-blowers-allege-corruption.html#more

Sometimes FBI guys —badge wearers— are even doing the selling!


44 posted on 09/20/2011 5:51:31 PM PDT by gaijin
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To: gaijin

Obama has said directly to our legislators he will do nothing about the border in order to put pressure on the legislators to cave to his immigration demands.


45 posted on 09/20/2011 6:03:50 PM PDT by Nachum (The complete Obama list at www.nachumlist.com)
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To: texmexis best

This is a great thread from a couple of days ago.


http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2780177/posts

Cloward-Piven: The Ultimate Goal of Gunwalker?
To the best of my knowledge, no previous U.S. administration has ever destabilized the government of a putatively friendly foreign power purely for domestic political gain.

The closest you can get would be the revolutionary movement in what is now Panama, that the U.S. nurtured to gain that area’s independence (from Nicaragua) — to facilitate building the Panama Canal. But that was a pre-existing revolutionary movement with pre-existing complaints against the Nicaraguan government that did not include stopping them from selling illegal drugs. (Editor’s note: Panama gained its independence from Colombia, not Nicaragua.)

The gains Obama & Co. seem to be seeking come in three flavors. Ranked in order of time-criticality from their POV, they are most likely:

1. Short-term: Increased illegal immigration from Mexico as people attempt to flee the increasing violence (allowing them to push the DREAM Act through, and “stacking the deck” in the next election via ACORN and SEIU);

2. Medium-term: Propaganda for tighter gun laws (possibly enacted by Executive Order, bypassing the Congress);

3. Long-term: Legalization of “recreational drugs,” helped by a “drug friendly” Mexican government, influenced by if not overtly controlled by the drug cartels.

I strongly suspect that (3) is the ultimate objective, with (1) and (2) being seen (at least by Obama & Co.) as “stepping-stones” to attaining it.
(end of excerpt)


I didn’t get the point of #3, until someone pointed out that it has to do with “demoralization”, a step on the way to continued subversion. I also think that for whatever the reason they were seeking to destablize the Mexican government. Any parallel to LightSquared and Solyndra on the “donations” end? As they said , this whole thing may have had many desired outcomes. I guess until someone from the top comes out and explains it all, we are free to keep speculating!


46 posted on 09/20/2011 7:50:11 PM PDT by boxlunch
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To: texmexis best

This is a great thread from a couple of days ago.


http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2780177/posts

Cloward-Piven: The Ultimate Goal of Gunwalker?
To the best of my knowledge, no previous U.S. administration has ever destabilized the government of a putatively friendly foreign power purely for domestic political gain.

The closest you can get would be the revolutionary movement in what is now Panama, that the U.S. nurtured to gain that area’s independence (from Nicaragua) — to facilitate building the Panama Canal. But that was a pre-existing revolutionary movement with pre-existing complaints against the Nicaraguan government that did not include stopping them from selling illegal drugs. (Editor’s note: Panama gained its independence from Colombia, not Nicaragua.)

The gains Obama & Co. seem to be seeking come in three flavors. Ranked in order of time-criticality from their POV, they are most likely:

1. Short-term: Increased illegal immigration from Mexico as people attempt to flee the increasing violence (allowing them to push the DREAM Act through, and “stacking the deck” in the next election via ACORN and SEIU);

2. Medium-term: Propaganda for tighter gun laws (possibly enacted by Executive Order, bypassing the Congress);

3. Long-term: Legalization of “recreational drugs,” helped by a “drug friendly” Mexican government, influenced by if not overtly controlled by the drug cartels.

I strongly suspect that (3) is the ultimate objective, with (1) and (2) being seen (at least by Obama & Co.) as “stepping-stones” to attaining it.
(end of excerpt)


I didn’t get the point of #3, until someone pointed out that it has to do with “demoralization”, a step on the way to continued subversion. I also think that for whatever the reason they were seeking to destablize the Mexican government. Any parallel to LightSquared and Solyndra on the “donations” end? As they said , this whole thing may have had many desired outcomes. I guess until someone from the top comes out and explains it all, we are free to keep speculating!


47 posted on 09/20/2011 7:50:11 PM PDT by boxlunch
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To: gaijin

Some TexMex history from the 90’s.

http://www.elandar.com/bush/amigos.html

Get past the half-hearted attempt to incriminate the Bushes by the company they kept. The company they kept is the story.


48 posted on 09/20/2011 10:10:29 PM PDT by MurrietaMadman
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