Posted on 09/21/2011 10:04:13 AM PDT by tedw
Representatives of almost 30 conservative, Tea Party and limited government groups, representing millions, will affirm their opposition to the bill that would make E-Verify mandatory for all workers and businesses, according to Kathryn Serkes of Take Back Washington. Last week, the group launched a media campaign and sent a letter to Congress outlining their concerns.
Read more: http://www.sacbee.com/2011/09/21/3927076/e-verify-news-conference-today.html#ixzz1Ybi2lzpE
(Excerpt) Read more at sacbee.com ...
see my post #19
There are no conservatives opposed to E-Verify. if you want to secure the border, you will support this common-sense idea that has worked really well at rooting out documentation fraud. So who IS opposing it?
Radical libertarians, aligned with the ACLU’s extremist views on ‘civil liberties’ are opposed based on hyped-up fears that this will lead to a national ID card, etc.
“These 30 or so TP “leaders” seem to be claiming all kinds of our civil liberties will be effected with E-Verify legislation. Well, my civil liberties are being violated with the influx of illegals and associated costs (medical, education, welfare, etc.).”
They are pushing an open borders attack-all-law-enforcement agenda pushed by the ACLU. It’s really nonsense, you have a social security number already and the credit card companies know more about you than this system would.
So, the thing to watch out for is where these “TP leaders” are really coming from. they are not representative of most Tea party folks.
Thank you, just what I was thinking it would be. Once again big government strikes.
Because you don’t understand the REAL reason behind illegal immigration: businesses (large and small) want cheap labor.”
More precisely: the REAL reason behind illegal immigration is that people want the opptys of this country.
for some that is work from businesses willing to hire them;
for others, they get kids education free and better life for them.
for others, govt bennies and/or they are illegal dependents of legal immigrants. We understate the massive number of illegal immigrants that are family members of legal immigrants.
Businesses are the linchpin in that illegal immigrants taking jobs here, bring families here, etc.
Here is another excerpt, addressing Lamar Smith’s refusal to delete the pre-emption clause written by the Chamber of Commerce:
“There are other clauses in HR 2885 that are unacceptable. One such clause basically exempts the 8 million-plus illegal aliens working for a paycheck, essentially “leaving them alone” in their taking American jobs. It is being referred to as “the grandfathering in” clause. Another horrible part of the bill gives the DHS Chief (Janet Napolitano for the next 15 months) “dictatorial power” over enforcement beyond the power she already has. And the bill has been “sunrised” so that, while the preemption is immediate (wiping 1070 laws out), it takes up to 2 years of continued Invasion by Mexico to go into effect, in essence leaving Arizona–where the Invasion is highest–to the wolves.
For his part, Chairman Lamar Smith refuses to remove Sec. 6, the preemption clause . . .”
How come your point is not immediately obvious from following the article link?
http://takebackwashington.org/Clint_s_Open_Letter_html.html
If you read the letter they wrote, you conclude that they are full of beans.
- no national ID card
- NO civil rights issues, less intrusive than existing law
- claim it will increase ID theft are illogical and baseless
- ‘harm’ to economy. why? well, because illegals wont get hired!
- etc
it’s in reference to post #19
More precisely: the REAL reason behind illegal immigration is that people want the opptys of this country.
You are missing the point. Of course people want to come here, it's the land of opportunity. But have you ever wondered why we don't have a guest worker program like we have in the past (pre-1960s)? It's because if large numbers of people were comming over the border legally, with guest worker permits allowing them to work legally for a limited time, the companies hiring them would have to follow ever employment regulation.
I'm a big supporter of closing the border. I'm a big supporter of mandating e-verify (is working in GA). I'm also a big supporter of re-establishming some type of guest worker program.
If the name Keene sounds familiar, she's married to David Keene, faux conservative and whore extraordinaire.
“Donna Wiesner Keene is CEO of BrainTrain, a business specializing in marketing and communicating political ideas and projects. BrainTrain works with executives and lobbyists to propel ideas toward policy-makers and ordinary citizens. In the 107th Congress, Mrs. Keene lobbied for fundamental tax reform for the Coalition for Fundamental Tax Reform, a coalition she helped grow to represent more than 8 million citizens.
In the second Bush Administration, she worked in disability policy from early intervention to No Child Left Behind to Rehabilitation for the U.S. Department of Education. In the first Bush Administration, as Director of the Executive Secretariat for the Department, she represented the Secretary and Deputy Secretary on the Total Quality Management Task Force, and chaired the Information Technology Committee. She also served as a Reagan Administration Special Assistant for Intergovernmental Affairs in the Office of Secretary of Labor Bill Brock, where she focused on labor issues.”
Three so-called conservatives that should never be trusted: David Keene, Grover Norquist and Dick Armey. Any of the three could sell their mother's soul to the devil and their only concern would be if they got the best price.
Good research!
Sec. 6 below. To be honest,I wish it wasn’t there but this bill is better than the current situation. If you are going to argue the Administration won’t enforce the law, then why bother passing any laws?
This bill is a vast improvement in the national situation, and states still retain their authority to fine and suspend business license laws. If the Feds dont enforce, the States still can. Read the bill.
‘(2) PREEMPTION- The provisions of this section preempt any State or local law, ordinance, policy, or rule, including any criminal or civil fine or penalty structure, insofar as they may now or hereafter relate to the hiring, continued employment, or status verification for employment eligibility purposes, of unauthorized aliens. A State, locality, municipality, or political subdivision may exercise its authority over business licensing and similar laws as a penalty for failure to use the verification system described in subsection (d) to verify employment eligibility when and as required under subsection (b).’.
As a voluntary program? Sure.
Mandatory? No. I’m glad that some people still believe believe in free enterprise.
“the companies hiring them would have to follow ever employment regulation.”
The point of guest worker legislation is to fill jobs that aren’t being filled.
The problem with guest worker legislation is that it doesn’t provide an opportunity for good workers who want to stay in the US legally, and continue to work, so that they can do so.
I’m completely in favour of providing a legal means so that people who are interested in working in the US legally, can do so. Guest worker legislation isn’t the answer though.
As for this bill? It does nothing to help anyone. All it does is force businesses to be immigration patrollers. Not their job. It forces businesses to do the job that the US border patrollers should have been doing before they came to the united states.
If you want to stop having people cross the border to work in the US illegally the solution is to give them a legal option to do so. E-Verify does nothing to solve the problem, just creates another barrier. What is going to happen is that the businesses that don’t care about the law will continue to hire, and businesses that aren’t politically connected to the powers that be will get shut down.
FInally, E-Verify cannot detect identity fraud. So it doesn’t even do the job in keeping out people that you don’t want working for you.
I read the bill and discussed it with Kris Kobach and others. States only have license control IF the Feds have already intervened in some way. There can be an unlimited delay and exceptions. The states can NOT enforce the law, and I have spoken on a conference call posing as a friend of the Chamber and was told they can use the preemption to get rid of SB1070 and other state laws against illegals. I is a MESS.
I believe you are in error. If you are familiar with the Immigration and Control Act of 1986 it specifically allowed the states to retain juridiction in the area of licensing. The recent Supreme Court Decision regarding E-verify made that abundantly clear. The bill does not change that. In fact, it says:
A State, locality, municipality, or political subdivision may exercise its authority over business licensing and similar laws as a penalty for failure to use the verification system described in subsection (d) to verify employment eligibility when and as required under subsection (b).’
The statute is pretty clear that in the area of licensing States still have jurisdiction The plain language of the Statute contradict what Kris Kobach says.
I received the following from FAIR which is generally a good immigration organiztion. They, too, accuse the bill of stripping authority from the states. This appears to be only partially true. As I have noted, States still have the ability to enforce thru licensing laws. If they don;t use e-verify, they could lose their business license and that is enough to make employers comply. Yes, the bill could be bettter but it is not likely we are going to get anything better. 1/2 a loaf is better than none. And we do need a consistent nationwide policy. Conservatives should support this.
Press release from Fair:
HOUSE JUDICIARY COMMITTEE VOTES AGAINST STATE ENFORCEMENT AUTHORITY;
Mandatory E-Verify Bill Passes
Wednesday afternoon, the House Judiciary Committee disappointingly voted to preempt the authority of state and local governments to enforce immigration laws during the mark-up of Chairman Lamar Smith’s mandatory E-Verify bill (H.R. 2885). The mark-up, which began last Thursday, resulted in the ultimate passage of Smith’s bill out of the Committee in a 22-13 vote.
While FAIR has always supported mandatory E-Verify, we also urged members of the Judiciary Committee to strip and/or amend language in H.R. 2885 that would prevent state and local governments from enforcing immigration laws when the federal government refuses to do so. As introduced, Section 6 of the bill (entitled “Preemption”) would strip away the authority of state and local governments to go after employers that hire illegal aliens.
In Committee Wednesday afternoon, the amendment to strike Section 6 (Am. #3) was offered by Rep. Howard Berman (D-CA) in what appeared to be an effort by Democrats to undermine the Chamber of Commerce’s support for the bill. The Chamber of Commerce has lobbied hard for the inclusion of language that would bar state and local governments from enforcing immigration laws against employers. However, in a disappointing 16-18 vote, the Committee voted against the Berman Amendment. Democrats largely voted FOR the amendment while most Republicans voted AGAINST the amendment.
Check FAIR’s website for the official vote
I can only tell you the concerns of those I have spoken to on the state level. I will get more details from Kobach on that fine print I mentioned earlier. This is a very difficult situation, as I am 100% for E-Verify, yet the movement is divided and I don't like it. I also have battled the Chamber, La Raza, the LDS and ImmigrationWorksUSA who use serious legal firepower to try to thwart enforcement everywhere. I have no trust of the Chamber and I am not alone. And then there are also these Libertarian/Ron Paul/GOProud/fake tea party interlopers who have never said a damn thing on this issue and now have come in to confuse people.
I don't need to preach to you as you have done far more than anyone to fight for E-Verify. I just hope we can all somehow unite to make this happen in the end.
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