Skip to comments.Convicted murderer Troy Davis loses last ditch plea to prove innocence
Posted on 09/21/2011 10:36:43 AM PDT by Niuhuru
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No, the officer was pursuing him for hitting a guy in the face with a gun at the Burger King parking lot. The guy being pursued just happened to have shot someone in the face earlier in the evening in an apparently unrelated incident, but the officer who died (McPhail) was off duty and I didn’t see any evidence that he had somehow made a connection between this incident and the earlier shooting, which he may not have even known about, since he was off duty.
The defendant in this case may have shot the officer because he knew he had shot someone earlier and he didn’t want to go to jail for that crime, but the officer who was shot was pursuing him for a different reason.
Perhaps a bit more like, just perhaps, how your comments about Buckley relate to the present matter.
They relate to your comment that Barr and Sessions who you perceive as conservative law enforcement supporters believe in Davis’ innocence and therefore the case should be scrutinized. William Buckley, a very conservative icon, also promoted the innocence of Smith but that does not necessarily mean that Smith was railroaded. In fact after he was released and caught a second time brutalizing a woman, he admitted that he had been guilty of the first incident in which he was sentenced to death. The only issue that matters is the evidence not a “celebrated” outsiders opinion of that evidence, whomever they may be.
So, if I understand your logic, the story of the Titanic would be a convincing argument against sailing on ships. One case that didn’t work out speaks against all others.
No your initial comment did not cite any facts just what the opinion of a few celebrities was. it is my argument that you do not decide a case by taking a poll of celebrities who may have an opinion, whether they be liberal or conservative.His guilt or innocence is determined exclusively by the facts of the case not what some celebrated individual may think about the case. Quite honestly, it would not enter into my equation as to what Sessions, Buckley, Barr or Kim Kardashian thought about the viability of the Titantic. Nor should it make any difference as to what they thought about this person’s guilt ot innocence. If it did, we would not need appellate courts or engineers. We could just take a vote by public opinion as to guilt or innocence or whether the ship will float.
I’m for the death penalty, but I’m also for fair trials and compelling evidence. If we’re going to put someone to death, we ought to make certain that he committed the crime. This perp has offered to take a lie-detector test, but state officials refuse to let him. Also, certain witnesses have recanted their testimony. There is even a case where someone else is said to have admitted to the shooting.
Also, my post pointed out muir_redwood’s percception of Barr as a conservative law enforcement supporter is wrong.
The Bob Barr of the 1990s was “level-headed” and was in no way sympathetic to cop-killers.
The Bob Barr of 2011 is NOT, he’s a liberal kook who supports the ACLU. A quick glance at all the columns he’s written in the last couple years shows this guy goes out of his way to defend scumbags. This year, Barr even traveled to Haiti to lobby on behalf of genocidal dictator “Baby Doc” Duvalier.” (according to Barr, “he is not serving as Duvalier’s attorney, but is in Port-au-Prince to consult, assist and be Duvalier’s voice to the international community.”) If Barr is supporting Troy Davis, it’s more likely the SOB should have been executed a long time ago.
Bob Barr of 1998 would have nothing but contempt for his 2011 counterpart.
If your point was that we don’t decide cases by the opinions of others; only the facts in evidence, then the use of an unrelated case as an example supposedly showing the validity of the process in this case is thoroughly illogical.
At the risk of belaboring the point. I simply cited the Buckley-Smith example solely to illustrate and dispel your notion that because a conservative (although I do not consider wingnut Barr or the disgraced ethics challenged incompetent FBI Director Sessions who was fired by Clinton conservative) has an opinion, that opinion may be no better than any other man on the street.At best, it is a fifty fifty proposition and belongs nowhere in a consideration of the facts or evidence. Just the facts, ma’am.
I don’t put any stock in polygraphs, nervous innocent people can fail them and guilty people can pass them. I’d recommend the “Penn and Teller BS” episode on the subject.
I haven’t read up on the details. I hope this guy was guilty.
Some are unhappy that jurors nowadays want to be sure beyond any doubt rather than “reasonable” doubt but I don’t know if I could vote to convict someone unless I was positive they did it.
I haven't read enough about the Troy Davis case to form an opinion of whether he was guilty or innocent, so I'll reserve judgment until I know the facts of the case. I'm certain there are times where innocent people are executed and that's tragic. But the problem here is the “little boy who cried wolf”. It seems to me that people morally opposed to the death penalty are prone to claiming EVERY person on death row is “innocent” so people stop listening after a while. I'm pretty sure that Mumia dude killed someone no matter how many times they claim he's a “political prisoner”. And 2 out of the 4 “innocent” guys George Ryan let out of prison are back in (gotta wonder why an “innocent man” would immediately start selling crack once he's out on the streets). I believe it's just as tragic when guilty men are freed to kill again.
Exactly. They thus do a disservice to those that actually are innocent. It's a mathematical certainty that innocent people have been executed, we need to stop that from happening.. That's the only anti argument that holds any real weight in my view, goes hand in hand with the argument that the government isn't competent enough to be trusted with the power of life and death. An innocent man getting locked up for 30 years instead of the needle isn't much better though and only anarcho-capitalists and other anarchist types want to entirely abolish the justice system.