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APNewsBreak: CA Police Officer Charged With Murder (Kelly Thomas beating)
ABC News/AP ^ | September 21, 2011 | GILLIAN FLACCUS

Posted on 09/21/2011 11:02:35 AM PDT by Smogger

A defense lawyer says a police officer has been charged with murder in the death of a mentally ill homeless man in Southern California.

Attorney John Barnett says his client, Fullerton police Officer Manuel Ramos, surrendered to authorities Wednesday and was being charged with second-degree murder.

The Orange County district attorney's office was set to announce the charge in the death of 37-year-old Kelly Thomas after a violent confrontation on July 5 with Fullerton officers.

Six officers were placed on paid administrative leave after the incident that occurred while police were investigating reported vehicle break-ins at a transit hub.

Thomas suffered severe head and neck injuries and was taken off life support five days later.

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TOPICS: Front Page News; News/Current Events; US: California
KEYWORDS: donutwatch; fullerton; fullertonps; gangsters; jbt; kellythomas; leo; mafia; murder; organized; police; rogucop; roguecop
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This was breaking on KNX1070 right now. The DA's presser has yet to occur. This officer is not even one of the ones mentioned as having done most of the beating. So expect them ALL to be charged!
1 posted on 09/21/2011 11:02:41 AM PDT by Smogger
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To: Smogger

The murder charge is appropriate. The man was murdered.


2 posted on 09/21/2011 11:08:36 AM PDT by Retired Greyhound
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To: Smogger

SO ugly and senseless


3 posted on 09/21/2011 11:09:57 AM PDT by SMARTY ("When you blame others, you give up your power to change. " Robert Anthony)
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To: Smogger

It will be interesting to see what comes out of discovery on this. The tasers used produce data on the number and duration of discharges delivered so at least that evidence will be factual.


4 posted on 09/21/2011 11:10:54 AM PDT by USNBandit (sarcasm engaged at all times)
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To: USNBandit

Presser is on now.

Yes. The DA just said the examined the tasers.


5 posted on 09/21/2011 11:11:53 AM PDT by Smogger
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To: Smogger
The victim...

6 posted on 09/21/2011 11:12:41 AM PDT by Tex-Con-Man
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To: Smogger

They were just following normal policies and procedures of the police department. Case dismissed. Nothing to see here citizen.


7 posted on 09/21/2011 11:13:43 AM PDT by SkyDancer (A critic is like a legless man who teaches running.)
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To: Smogger

Officer Manuel Ramos - Second degree murder, Involuntary Manslaughter.

Cpl. Jay Cincelini - Involuntary manslaughter, Excessive use of force.


8 posted on 09/21/2011 11:13:45 AM PDT by Smogger
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To: Smogger

Officer Manuel Ramos orders Kelly Thomas “Put your hands on your f’ing knees” He then made two fists and put them front of Kelly Thomas face, and told Kelly Thomas “See these two fists? They are getting ready to f you up!”


9 posted on 09/21/2011 11:17:38 AM PDT by Smogger
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To: Smogger

More to go.


10 posted on 09/21/2011 11:18:37 AM PDT by familyop (cbt. engr. (cbt), Army NG, '89-' 96)
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To: Smogger

The announcement is likely propaganda to confuse everyone and shut the media up. The judicial mob is probably already wiggling out of any murder prosecutions.


11 posted on 09/21/2011 11:23:01 AM PDT by familyop (cbt. engr. (cbt), Army NG, '89-' 96)
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To: Smogger

Police Beating of Kelly Thomas in Fullerton, CA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ljYNgLnpxM

Fullerton California Police Beat Mentally Ill Man Kelly Thomas To Death
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vg45tYJZ7rM&feature=related


13 posted on 09/21/2011 11:25:22 AM PDT by TSgt (When in the Course of human events...)
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To: Smogger

There were actually some right here, supporting those who served up this brutal murderous beating.


14 posted on 09/21/2011 11:26:54 AM PDT by dragnet2 ((Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit))
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To: Smogger

He’ll probably eat his gun. The dept. will rule it an “accident” so the fam will get pension $ .


15 posted on 09/21/2011 11:28:25 AM PDT by WOBBLY BOB (See ya later, debt inflator ! Gone in 4 (2012))
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To: NFHale

Start watching at 3:40

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5O8_m3ruNhY


16 posted on 09/21/2011 11:31:12 AM PDT by TSgt (When in the Course of human events...)
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To: Smogger
Fullerton police Officer Manuel Ramos being charged with second-degree murder.

White hater?

Racist cop?

Why did they beat this unarmed white guy so brutally?

What was the real motive?

17 posted on 09/21/2011 11:33:15 AM PDT by dragnet2 ((Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit))
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To: Smogger

Glad to see something happening in this case. Its hard to see any valid reason for their actions and the devastation that inflicted on his head and body.


18 posted on 09/21/2011 11:33:55 AM PDT by catbertz
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Glad to see something happening in this case.

The only reason something is happening, is due to video and lots of witnesses.

Otherwise, no one would have ever heard a word about his.

Bet the rent.

19 posted on 09/21/2011 11:38:17 AM PDT by dragnet2 ((Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit))
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To: dragnet2

Police Cpl. Jay Cicinelli was charged with one count each of involuntary manslaughter and excessive force.


20 posted on 09/21/2011 11:40:05 AM PDT by Smogger
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To: Smogger
Officer Manuel Ramos orders Kelly Thomas “Put your hands on your f’ing knees” He then made two fists and put them front of Kelly Thomas face, and told Kelly Thomas “See these two fists? They are getting ready to f you up!”

Is M2 the Santa Ana police department's farm league now?

21 posted on 09/21/2011 11:40:09 AM PDT by skeeter
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To: dragnet2
-- The only reason something is happening, is due to video and lots of witnesses. --

Another essential component is publicity, "daylight."

22 posted on 09/21/2011 11:41:07 AM PDT by Cboldt
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To: Smogger

One of these officers, calmly put on a pair of gloves, then proceeded to help beat this unarmed guy to death..


23 posted on 09/21/2011 11:41:48 AM PDT by dragnet2 ((Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit))
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To: Smogger

How I wish I was on that jury. It’s about time these murderers behind a badge get prosecuted and convicted.


24 posted on 09/21/2011 11:42:59 AM PDT by Student0165
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To: Cboldt

Like KFI Los Angeles, John and Ken program...They were actually threatened by the “Regardless of circumstances, cops do no wrong” crowd.


25 posted on 09/21/2011 11:44:09 AM PDT by dragnet2 ((Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit))
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To: dragnet2

I totally agree. I’m so disgusted by cops around the country that are arresting or suing over video taping by citizens. In my opinion we have every right to record our interaction with LEOs.


26 posted on 09/21/2011 11:47:36 AM PDT by catbertz
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To: Tex-Con-Man

Dear me... I had to really look to see if the picture was human. Prayers for the family of this man. Hopefully, they can use THIS PHOTO in court to show the depravity.


27 posted on 09/21/2011 11:48:37 AM PDT by momtothree
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To: skeeter

Considering the level of brutality, Officer Manuel Ramos is likely a violent mental case, or simply a white hating racist.

This guy was simply gang beat...to death.


28 posted on 09/21/2011 11:50:02 AM PDT by dragnet2 ((Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit))
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To: catbertz
Moral of the story: always get your police beating in well-travelled ,public areas.
29 posted on 09/21/2011 11:51:14 AM PDT by WOBBLY BOB (See ya later, debt inflator ! Gone in 4 (2012))
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To: dragnet2

shhhhh....reality and facts are being banned in ObamaLand.


30 posted on 09/21/2011 11:51:32 AM PDT by wac3rd (Somewhere in Hell, Ted Kennedy snickers....)
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To: Smogger

Bastards like this are worse than common cirminals who do the same thing.

Common criminals do their damage outside the law. These bastards have the full force and authority of the state behind them with their actions.

The bastards should be hung by the neck until dead - all of them.

Once again we witness the REAL danger of living in a quasi-police state.

The Founders of this Republic put their trust in citizen militias, sheriff’s and deputies for a very bvery good reason. They had personal experience of what an unrestrained constabulary was capable of.

We need civilian police review boards to police the actions of the police, with the full authority to call for indictments against scum like this.

How despicable of these goons in blue.


31 posted on 09/21/2011 11:53:23 AM PDT by ZULU (DUMP Obama in 2012)
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To: Smogger

Where are the usual cop syncophants who said there must be more to this story?


32 posted on 09/21/2011 11:56:36 AM PDT by SeaHawkFan
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To: dragnet2
Why did they beat this unarmed white guy so brutally? What was the real motive?

The other cop indicted is white, so the race card doesn't hold up. The scuttlebutt is that the local bar and restaurant owners didn't like the homeless hanging around the downtown area and the cops were directed to roust them out of there.

What's telling is that the police have so far refused to release the 911 call about the alleged break-ins at the parking lot--break-ins, by the way, that don't show up in the police crime logs for that day. There's a good chance that there was never any such call.

33 posted on 09/21/2011 11:57:02 AM PDT by Bubba Ho-Tep ("More weight!"--Giles Corey)
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To: WOBBLY BOB

If he does that, there will be no conviction. Not sure about he pension, but the convictions of Ken Lay in the ENRON cases were vacated because he died prior the exhaustion of his appeals.

Lucky for his wife; a least financially.


34 posted on 09/21/2011 12:01:10 PM PDT by SeaHawkFan
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To: dragnet2
Having watched the trial of the 4 officers accused of beating Rodney King, I was discussing the case with a friend who happened to be a retired captain with LAPD.

I thought the 4 cops were not guilty and the verdict in the criminal trial was correct. He disagreed and said he would have "burned them all including their watch commander".

Sometimes the cops themselves are hardest on colleagues who betray their trust.

35 posted on 09/21/2011 12:01:44 PM PDT by Churchillspirit (9/11/01...NEVER FORGET.)
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To: Bubba Ho-Tep

His color was irrelevant.

No human being should be treated like this.

CERTAINLY not by goons who are paid by the public, protected by the public and granted benefits by the public.

I hope all of them wind up in a prison where street justice is swiftly administered. Its better than they will get in a Court of Law.


36 posted on 09/21/2011 12:02:28 PM PDT by ZULU (DUMP Obama in 2012)
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To: Smogger

Is either of these cops who were charged the one-eyed guy?


37 posted on 09/21/2011 12:02:45 PM PDT by Churchillspirit (9/11/01...NEVER FORGET.)
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To: dragnet2

The 2nd cop, Cincinella(sp)lost an eye while a probation officer and, according to the story, got shot three weeks after graduating from the academy. I wonder if those incidents screwed him up, and made him unfit for police work.


38 posted on 09/21/2011 12:03:15 PM PDT by Scotsman will be Free (11C - Indirect fire, infantry - High angle hell - We will bring you, FIRE)
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To: SeaHawkFan
Where are the usual cop sycophants who said there must be more to this story?

They are here...But will avoid this thread like the plague.

39 posted on 09/21/2011 12:03:46 PM PDT by dragnet2 ((Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit))
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To: momtothree

The father of this poor man has to live with the knowledge that his son was crying out for his Dad while these cops were beating him to death. The anger pushes me past words...


40 posted on 09/21/2011 12:05:59 PM PDT by Tex-Con-Man
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To: Smogger

And just think. All of those cops were back out on the streets the next day free as birds for a month until the father made a stink with a picture so graphic that only the Telegraph UK would print it. So much for the US media.


41 posted on 09/21/2011 12:08:47 PM PDT by Smogger
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To: Tex-Con-Man

To Protect and Serve ... yeah, right.


42 posted on 09/21/2011 12:11:57 PM PDT by RobinOfKingston (The instinct toward liberalism is located in the part of the brain called the rectal lobe.)
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To: Bubba Ho-Tep
The other cop indicted is white, so the race card doesn't hold up.

Not quite. It was Officer Manuel Ramos who calmly put his gloves on, then told the unarmed white guy, "See these fists, they going to beat your ass".

43 posted on 09/21/2011 12:13:48 PM PDT by dragnet2 ((Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit))
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To: Smogger

I would have charged the other cops that were there and did nothing to stop that brutality as accessories though. Also, if anyone falsified any reports/records or stonewalled the investigation in any way, they should be charged as accessories after the fact. IANAL though.

Fullerton would probably be burning right now if he didn’t charge at least these two.

Folks were/are righteously pi$$ed about this and the rest of the FPD (giving those not involved the benefit of the doubt) are paying the price.


44 posted on 09/21/2011 12:16:47 PM PDT by SZonian (July 27, 2010. Life begins anew.)
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To: All

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yz3ZkcZJrf4


45 posted on 09/21/2011 12:22:07 PM PDT by Smogger
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To: Smogger
We don't have all the facts yet. Please refrain from commenting until after the trial.

/s

46 posted on 09/21/2011 12:28:41 PM PDT by Ken H
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To: Ken H

Some guy living in Berlin, who posts here, kept telling me that, even with video and multiple corroborating witness statements.


47 posted on 09/21/2011 12:31:28 PM PDT by dragnet2 ((Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit))
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To: dragnet2

Oh, no. Don’t ping him. Laz keeps ruining threads by doing that. :)


48 posted on 09/21/2011 12:37:23 PM PDT by Politicalmom (Amnesty (ie: Perry/Rubio) will be the final death blow to the United States of America.)
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To: dragnet2
There were actually some right here,

It's still early, yours is only the 14th post here, they'll show up up soon enough...........

49 posted on 09/21/2011 12:51:16 PM PDT by Hot Tabasco (ui)
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To: Churchillspirit
Sometimes the cops themselves are hardest on colleagues who betray their trust.

Unless your police captain friend is testifying under oath against his colleagues who betrayed his trust, his strong words and a quarter will get you a gumball.

If more cops would step up and loudly condemn the thugs and criminals hiding in their midst, they'd have more credibility.

50 posted on 09/21/2011 1:16:13 PM PDT by mvpel (Michael Pelletier)
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