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The GOP is trying to rig the electoral college (Gigantic Barf and Hurl Alert!!!)
Washington Compost ^ | September 20, 2011 | Harold Myerson

Posted on 09/21/2011 11:55:38 AM PDT by Kaslin

Like Poe’s purloined letter, the Republican plan to heist the 2012 presidential election sits before us in plain view. And going Poe one better, it is perfectly legal.

The first part of the strategy has been unfolding for months. Since the 2010 elections brought Republicans to power in numerous swing states, officials in many of those states have made it harder for minority, poor and young voters to cast their ballots. GOP governments have been curtailing early voting (in Ohio and Florida) and requiring voters to produce official photo-identification cards (in Wisconsin). In South Carolina, the poll tax lives again: Voters who want an official photo-ID card must present a passport or a birth certificate, neither of which can be obtained for free.

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1 posted on 09/21/2011 11:55:45 AM PDT by Kaslin
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To: Kaslin

Hilarious. This dope is upset that the GOP is cracking down on voter fraud. Good luck selling this concept, Commie Pinko.


2 posted on 09/21/2011 12:00:51 PM PDT by Lazlo in PA (Now living in a newly minted Red State.)
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To: Kaslin
ANYTHING done that attacks vote fraud is opposed by Democrats.

The Race Card, the Elderly Card, and the Poor Card are all played immediately as an excuse for the Fraud of ACORN, Unions, and others.

3 posted on 09/21/2011 12:01:48 PM PDT by traditional1 ("Don't gotsta worry 'bout no mo'gage, don't gotsta worry 'bout no gas; Obama gonna take care o' me!)
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To: Kaslin; ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas; stephenjohnbanker; DoughtyOne; calcowgirl; Gilbo_3; NFHale; ...
Good! About time!

Everytime MSNBC does a segment on this I cheer, Of course liberal states like Maryland passing laws getting rid of the electoral college, or letting convicts (even of treason) vote, or early voting in Dem districts, or 'get out the Democrat vote' is not called 'rigging', its called Democracy, by libs on MSNBC.

4 posted on 09/21/2011 12:02:07 PM PDT by sickoflibs (Over-taxed means 'paying too much in taxes', not zero taxes)
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To: Kaslin

If an election is rigged it won’t be the GOP that does it.

Thes people are desperate. They know Obama is going to lose and they are tying to set up an arguyment that the election is fixed.

Its fixed all right, Obama has fixed it so he will lose with his stupid Stimulus and Obamacare.


5 posted on 09/21/2011 12:03:00 PM PDT by Venturer
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To: Kaslin

It’s about damned time.


6 posted on 09/21/2011 12:03:08 PM PDT by xjcsa (Ridiculing the ridiculous since the day I was born.)
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To: Kaslin

Hard to see what most of this has to do with the Electoral College. I realize that’s the governing system, but Republicans would presumably advocate the same things for local and state elections or if we had a national popular vote.


7 posted on 09/21/2011 12:03:08 PM PDT by Tublecane
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To: Kaslin

Since he spends most of his time attacking Pennsylvania for wanting to go to same logical electoral vote allocation system used in Maine (since 1972) and Nebraska (since 1992), I think I will write both my state legislators today asking that they pass it a.s.a.p.


8 posted on 09/21/2011 12:05:13 PM PDT by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: Kaslin

Someone please explain to me how or why any voting age adult in this country doesn’t have a photo ID? Also someone please explain to me why it is that minorities are less likely to have a photo ID?


9 posted on 09/21/2011 12:05:54 PM PDT by ElkGroveDan (My tagline is in the shop.)
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To: Tublecane

“Hard to see what most of this has to do with the Electoral College”

The part about “the drive to reduce voting among minorities and low-income citizens,” I mean. Obviously the part about tinkering with electoral votes relates to the electoral college.


10 posted on 09/21/2011 12:07:17 PM PDT by Tublecane
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To: Kaslin

Ya...”rigging” to prevent or reduce vote fraud, the Dem’s favorite weapon!

Photo ID or proof of citizenship to vote?!?!
You must be a BIGGOT?!?!?


11 posted on 09/21/2011 12:10:32 PM PDT by G Larry (I dream of a day when a man is judged by the content of his character)
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To: Kaslin

“The electoral college, after all, was created out of a compromise so that Southern whites wouldn’t be outvoted by Northerners in the House of Representatives or in presidential elections.”

I generally allow for gross exaggeration, , and in partisan articles like this. But come on. You can’t tie *everything* to racism. Not everything is racist because it is less democratic. There were small states elsewhere than the South.


12 posted on 09/21/2011 12:10:38 PM PDT by Tublecane
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To: Lazlo in PA

Well, can you blame him, since the left can only win through voter fraud?


13 posted on 09/21/2011 12:12:59 PM PDT by Kaslin (Acronym for OBAMA: One Big Ass Mistake America)
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To: Kaslin

In Michigan our secretary of state is trying to purge the dead and illegals from our voter rolls but neither the Social Security administration or INS will help.


14 posted on 09/21/2011 12:13:12 PM PDT by cripplecreek (A vote for Amnesty is a vote for a permanent Democrat majority. ..Choose well.)
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To: Kaslin

I have actually beeb think about this for a long time. Several districts in Philadelphia reported more votes than they ahd registered voters and it came to me that with this system we could severely limit the damage that stuffing the ballots would do to a very small number of votes rather than affectig the whole state.

I would hope that we go ahead with this and limit the damage of ballot stuffing.


15 posted on 09/21/2011 12:13:12 PM PDT by texmexis best
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To: Kaslin; All

GASP! The Republican party is going through legal means to help their side gain an advantage in the next election!

Next from the Washington Post: PEPSI is going to try and sell MORE of their beverage than Coca Cola!

On the sports front, the football team from Green Bay will attempt to put more points on the board than their next opponent!

Meanwhile, Hussein and his cabal engage in crony capitalism and voter fraud, and the Washington comPost, ever eager to worship him, ignores his actions.


16 posted on 09/21/2011 12:13:25 PM PDT by Recovering_Democrat
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To: Venturer

Exactly


17 posted on 09/21/2011 12:14:26 PM PDT by Kaslin (Acronym for OBAMA: One Big Ass Mistake America)
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To: ElkGroveDan
Someone please explain to me how or why any voting age adult in this country doesn’t have a photo ID? Also someone please explain to me why it is that minorities are less likely to have a photo ID?

And how many people really don't have IDs? One time this came up, the Dems had to use some nuns in a cloistered convent as their poster children. The primary problem is the difficulty and expense in getting a second, third or fourth ID compared to merely registering to vote extra times along with the permanent photographic record formed when the same person's photo shows up in state records a half dozen times under different names.

When it came time to take my grandfather's license from him, my mother hauled him into the DMV, handed in the license and got a state ID immediately. It wasn't very tricky.

18 posted on 09/21/2011 12:15:12 PM PDT by KarlInOhio (Compare "Delay is preferable to error" - Thomas Jefferson // "Pass this bill now!" - Barack Obama)
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To: Kaslin
Since the 2010 elections brought Republicans to power in numerous swing states, officials in many of those states have made it harder for minority, poor and young voters to cast their ballots.

We won. Elections have consequences.

/sarc off

19 posted on 09/21/2011 12:22:01 PM PDT by tx_eggman (Liberalism is only possible in that moment when a man chooses Barabas over Christ.)
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To: Recovering_Democrat
GASP! The Republican party is going through legal means to help their side gain an advantage in the next election!

Oh my what horror. We can't have that

20 posted on 09/21/2011 12:24:00 PM PDT by Kaslin (Acronym for OBAMA: One Big Ass Mistake America)
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To: Kaslin

Washington Compost - appropriate name. Although I do imagine it is primarily used to line bird cages before being tossed on the compost heap.


21 posted on 09/21/2011 12:25:35 PM PDT by MEGoody (Ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.)
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To: Kaslin

I saw Rachel Maddow stomping her lumberjack boots about this last night. Pretty funny to see RATS openly advocating for voter fraud.


22 posted on 09/21/2011 12:27:32 PM PDT by ozzymandus
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To: ElkGroveDan
Someone please explain to me how or why any voting age adult in this country doesn’t have a photo ID? Also someone please explain to me why it is that minorities are less likely to have a photo ID?

the talking heads claim that it's the expense, and lack of transportation to get to a government office to get the required ID.

truth is, every state I have checked, it is illegal to not have some form of government issued ID.
23 posted on 09/21/2011 12:28:05 PM PDT by absolootezer0 (2x divorced tattooed pierced harley hatin meghan mccain luvin' REAL beer drinkin' smoker ..what?)
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To: Kaslin
Voters who want an official photo-ID card must present a passport or a birth certificate, neither of which can be obtained for free.

Last I checked, a non-Photoshopped birth certificate was free.

24 posted on 09/21/2011 12:29:13 PM PDT by Dahoser (Separation of church and state? No, we need separation of media and state.)
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To: ElkGroveDan

I don’t have no photo on my drivers license. In Tennessee it is not required to have a photo on your drivers license once you turn 60. I do however have a military dependent ID card with photo


25 posted on 09/21/2011 12:29:28 PM PDT by Kaslin (Acronym for OBAMA: One Big Ass Mistake America)
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To: KarlInOhio
>>>And how many people really don't have IDs? Found the following for South Carolina: A January tally by the SC Election Commission shows 178,175 voters do not own a photo ID.

This article relates the issue of obtaining an ID for older folks born in rural parts of the state that never had a birth certificate.

http://www.charlotteobserver.com/2011/07/17/2460363/scs-identity-crisis-no-birth-certificate.html#storylink=misearch
26 posted on 09/21/2011 12:29:36 PM PDT by NC28203
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To: NC28203
>>>And how many people really don't have IDs?

Found the following for South Carolina: A January tally by the SC Election Commission shows 178,175 voters do not own a photo ID.

This article relates the issue of obtaining an ID for older folks born in rural parts of the state that never had a birth certificate.

http://www.charlotteobserver.com/2011/07/17/2460363/scs-identity-crisis-no-birth-certificate.html#storylink=misearch
27 posted on 09/21/2011 12:30:52 PM PDT by NC28203
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To: Kaslin

What about states like Maryland and California? They passed laws awarding EV’s to the national popular vote winner?

That sounds more like rigging to me.

Oh, wait, stupid me - it benefits DEMOCRATS!! Its never cheating if it helps DEMOCRATS win!!


28 posted on 09/21/2011 12:32:46 PM PDT by RockinRight (If everyone wants to ride in the wagon, then who is pulling it?)
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To: Kaslin

Cool. ‘Bout darn time we fought fire with fire.

Oh, wait, I don’t see any fraud in there. Just people trying to keep unqualified voters from fraudulently voting.

The GOP needs to ramp it up a bit.


29 posted on 09/21/2011 12:33:46 PM PDT by Little Ray (FOR the best Conservative in the Primary; AGAINST Obama in the General.)
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To: Kaslin

Well, of course. The liberals never lose an election. They either win or they are cheated out of it.


30 posted on 09/21/2011 12:35:21 PM PDT by Raycpa
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To: Kaslin
In South Carolina, the poll tax lives again: Voters who want an official photo-ID card ...neither of which can be obtained for free.

So this guy thinks its just awful that a citizen has to pay for an ID to vote. I wonder how he feels about forcing the same citizen to purchase health insurance?

I'm pretty certain he will say that its not the same thing. However, the potential voter still has the freedom to chose not to buy an ID but that cannot be said for the citizen who is forced to purchase insurance.

31 posted on 09/21/2011 12:45:22 PM PDT by Raycpa
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To: Dahoser

It’s not free in D.C. or Virginia. I had to pay to get my children’s birth certificates.


32 posted on 09/21/2011 1:07:13 PM PDT by brothers4thID (http://scarlettsays.blogspot.com/)
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To: Dahoser
Last I checked, a non-Photoshopped birth certificate was free.

Where were you checking? Where I look it cost a small fee. Maybe not so small to a poor person.

33 posted on 09/21/2011 1:14:14 PM PDT by Lady Lucky (Heavy the head that wears the tiara.)
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To: ElkGroveDan

Simple solution. PURPLE FINGERS !!!

From One man, One vote ...

to

ONE FINGER, ONE VOTE ...

You can pick your finger. Extra points if it is the middle one.


34 posted on 09/21/2011 1:21:36 PM PDT by Pikachu_Dad (Impeach Sen Quinn)
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To: texmexis best

Come on people, none of this is a big deal, it’s just the Democrats trying to protect their GOD given right of one man, multiple votes. /s


35 posted on 09/21/2011 1:35:22 PM PDT by W. W. SMITH (Islam is an instrument of enslavement)
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To: Kaslin
Red Herring. If the limo liberals are that worried about people not having the money to obtain certified documents, they can certainly donate the money and a free ride for anyone caught short, as part of their get-out-the-vote campaign.

Calling it a "poll tax" doesn't make it so. You only need to get the necessary photo ID once, not every time you vote.

If it were me, there would be a necessary litany at the polling place: each voter would recite the Pledge of Allegiance, facing a US Flag, and do it from memory.

36 posted on 09/21/2011 1:36:07 PM PDT by asinclair (Talk is cheap, actions are priceless)
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To: sickoflibs

Maryland sure has slipped down the ladder over time.


37 posted on 09/21/2011 1:36:38 PM PDT by Marine_Uncle (Honor must be earned....Duncan Hunter Sr. for POTUS.)
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To: Kaslin

The voter ID initiative was discussed in Wisconsin well before the 2010 elections. The Dems still got trounced, because most voters support voter ID. The only ones who don’t support it are the lib/leftists who like voter fraud and have benefited from it for decades.


38 posted on 09/21/2011 1:37:57 PM PDT by driftless2
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To: Kaslin

Eighty percent of Wisconsin voters support voter ID. That’s a heck of a lot of Dems.


39 posted on 09/21/2011 1:40:01 PM PDT by driftless2
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To: Kaslin
The libtards on the other hand, have arranged for some states to give their entire electoral vote to the national popular majority vote winner. If that happens to be a Republican, California, for example, will give the Republicans the states electors.

It was all over the hissie fit they had when algore lost. That wasn't the expected outcome was it you dim-wits?

40 posted on 09/21/2011 1:48:42 PM PDT by pfflier
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To: Lazlo in PA
Good luck selling this concept, Commie Pinko.

You forgot A$$HOLE.

41 posted on 09/21/2011 2:30:47 PM PDT by GoldenPup
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To: G Larry
"You must be a BIGGOT?!?!?(sic)

Is being a biggot worse than being just a bigot?

42 posted on 09/21/2011 5:03:07 PM PDT by tal hajus ("Thank you sir. May I have another?" GOP)
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To: sickoflibs; stephenjohnbanker; DoughtyOne; Liz

But you can’t complain if you get a RINO instead of a Dem in a swing state:) (Just kidding, sure you can. It’s worth replacing a Rat with a RINO just to see the looks on the commie faces.)


43 posted on 09/21/2011 7:14:28 PM PDT by ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas (Budget sins can be fixed. Amnesty is irreversible.)
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; ColdOne; Convert from ECUSA; ...

Thanks sickoflibs.
...officials in many of those states have made it harder for minority, poor and young voters to cast their ballots.
Voters here and there are now required to show ID. Oh no, what a hardship. It's like ten times worse than poll taxes. /s


44 posted on 09/21/2011 8:27:52 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (It's never a bad time to FReep this link -- https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas; sickoflibs; DoughtyOne; Liz

” But you can’t complain if you get a RINO instead of a Dem in a swing state:) (Just kidding, sure you can. It’s worth replacing a Rat with a RINO just to see the looks on the commie faces.)”

Scum is scum is scum is scum........ : )


45 posted on 09/21/2011 9:14:37 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (God, family, country, mom, apple pie, the girl next door and a Ford F250 to pull my boat.)
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To: stephenjohnbanker; ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas; DoughtyOne; Liz
You folks catch the Perry-Hannity love-fest?? Its being repeated now.

Perry defended his Dream Act because it was very popular in Texas, he also repeated that it makes the people we want to be citizens (illegals) to be productive, but he is against amnesty... this smells of BS, How do you pursue citizenship when you are illegal?

46 posted on 09/21/2011 9:26:16 PM PDT by sickoflibs (Over-taxed means 'paying too much in taxes', not zero taxes)
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To: Kaslin
Oh, would that be 'rigging' much like Bob 'bowling ball' Beckel tried to rig and/or threaten the electorate in Iowa and Arizona during the election of 2000? (Bush/Gore)

This 'liberal thing' will be a dying breed of head-exploding has-beens in a few years.

47 posted on 09/21/2011 11:05:39 PM PDT by SlightOfTongue
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To: sickoflibs; stephenjohnbanker; DoughtyOne; Liz
Perry defended his Dream Act because it was very popular in Texas, he also repeated that it makes the people we want to be citizens (illegals) to be productive, but he is against amnesty...

Perry didn't sound so set against a "path to citizenship" in this 2011 Newsweek interview: LINK

this smells of BS, How do you pursue citizenship when you are illegal?

The Dream Act Faction's side of the story is this:

1) "Their parents brought them here when they were kids." I think that is true for some, but the max age for the Dream act is 29, so some of them could have come by themselves and spent 3 years getting the residence requirements.

2) "They have to have filed an I-130 for permanent residence." This is not the policy. They are required to sign a paper stating that they have filed or will some day. Why didn't the Texas lawmakers require them to file for permanent resident before they applied for the Dream Act? Something is mighty peculiar here!!!!

But even if an illegal did not have to file the I-130, some of them probably did. Say a sibling became naturalized through marriage, a deal to testify against someone, whatever. As of today, for Mexicans (much longer for the Philippines) it takes about 16 years before their visa number comes up, maybe longer if they had previous immigration problems. So some of them no doubt can and do file for permanent resident. The argument is that they are in limbo and can't work now, but when their waiting period is up, they will be legal.

3) "They don't have to apply for legal status, but if they don't, they can't get a job, so they are wasting their money they pay for tuition, books, etc."

Well, the question still remains: Why didn't the Texas lawmakers require them to file for permanent resident before they applied for the Dream Act?

Apart from that, maybe the ones who do not qualify to file an I-139 just assume that amnesty will happen eventually.

Also, Texas HB 2886 would provide a permit to get a drivers license and work for illegals, making Texas a true sanctuary state. It violates federal employment law, but what the hell, we have Holder and Napolitano in charge. It probably won't pass, but it might give them hope.

LINK: Workman's bill would offer undocumented immigrants the opportunity to apply for resident alien cards. The card, which would be valid only in Texas, would cost $4,000 — what he estimated a human smuggler, or coyote, would charge to bring someone across the border. The card would be valid for eight years and would require the applicant to pass criminal background checks.

48 posted on 09/21/2011 11:07:03 PM PDT by ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas (Budget sins can be fixed. Amnesty is irreversible.)
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To: sickoflibs; stephenjohnbanker; DoughtyOne; Liz
Typo. I-139 I-130
49 posted on 09/21/2011 11:10:32 PM PDT by ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas (Budget sins can be fixed. Amnesty is irreversible.)
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To: ElkGroveDan
Someone please explain to me how or why any voting age adult in this country doesn’t have a photo ID? Also someone please explain to me why it is that minorities are less likely to have a photo ID?

Because our lovable rats don't want them to, and have tried they hardest to make it tough. Remember, with an id card, you can open a bank account, and do a variety of things that may keep you from staying in poverty.

If you think I am joking, take a look at how one state that passed a voter ID law, also allowed for (at state cost) anyone thats a resident and citizen to get an I.D. card (Indiana, I think). The rats flipped out, and started suddenly screaming about costs, lol.

50 posted on 09/21/2011 11:16:40 PM PDT by Sonny M ("oderint dum metuant")
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