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Wisconsin: Largest state unions won't seek recertification by Thursday deadline
Milwaukee Journal-Sentinel ^ | 9/21/2011 | Jason Stein

Posted on 09/21/2011 1:13:25 PM PDT by UB355

Largest state unions won't seek recertification by Thursday deadline

Madison - By the end of Thursday, the major state employee unions covering tens of thousands of workers will have effectively lost their official status.

Top leaders for those unions say they won't seek to meet the high hurdle for keeping that current status laid out in Gov. Scott Walker's union bargaining law. With a deadline set for the close of business Thursday, so far only four smaller state unions have said they'll seek to keep their status by winning a difficult recertification election.

Marty Beil, executive director of the 23,000-member Wisconsin State Employees Union representing largely blue-collar workers, said none of the units in his union will seek a vote on recertifying.

"We looked at the law and we find the law at best an exercise in wasted resources," Beil said. "We've chosen to use our resources to organize our members and advocate for our members."

So only, only three smaller unions representing building trades workers, prosecutors and other attorneys have filed with the state seeking to keep their official status. A fourth union representing a small number of state research employees is also expected to file.

In March, Walker signed legislation ending all union bargaining for public employees except for bargaining over wages. But union employees still can't bargain for raises larger than the rate of inflation unless approved by voters in a referendum.

The legislation also requires that unions go through yearly recertification votes to keep their official status rather than keep that status indefinitely after an initial vote as unions had done in the past. Unions can still exist without that official status, but government employers, such as schools and the state, don't have to recognize them or bargain with them.

To win the recertification election, unions must get 51% of the vote of all the members of their bargaining unit, not just the ones who take the time to cast ballots - a much higher bar than state elected officials have to clear to win their offices.

A spokesman for Walker had no immediate comment.

Bryan Kennedy, president of the American Federation of Teachers-Wisconsin, said so far only a small local state union within his larger umbrella group is seeking a recertification election. AFT-Wisconsin and its member unions as of June represented about 17,500 largely white-collar government workers.

Kennedy said that one of his member unions has workers in 700 locations around the state and would need to spend large amounts of time and money to win a recertification vote.

"You go through all that and all you get to do is bargain (for limited raises)," Kennedy said.

State unions have to file a petition seeking a recertification election and pay a fee to the Wisconsin Employment Relations Commission by 4:30 p.m. Thursday or they will be decertified, agency chairman James Scott said.

The actual decertification won't happen, however, until it's requested by either the employer or a citizen, Scott said. That's in part because the agency doesn't have a master list of all the public employee unions in the state, he said.

"We're not going to know if they don't file unless somebody tells us," Scott said.


TOPICS: Breaking News; Culture/Society; News/Current Events; US: Wisconsin
KEYWORDS: deadline; fail; largest; recertification; state; thursday; union; unions; unionthugs; walker; wi; wisconsin; wisconsinshowdown
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1 posted on 09/21/2011 1:13:36 PM PDT by UB355
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To: UB355

Translation..they know they would LOSE the elections..and they don’t want the negative PR..


2 posted on 09/21/2011 1:18:46 PM PDT by ken5050 (Save the EARTH...it's the ONLY planet with CHOCOLATE!!!)
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To: UB355

Kewl...how do you eat an elephant? One bite (union) at the time.


3 posted on 09/21/2011 1:19:20 PM PDT by RowdyFFC
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To: UB355
"We looked at the law and we find the law at best an exercise in wasted resources," Beil said. "We've chosen to use our resources..."

...in a vain, thuggish, and ultimately ridiculous attempt to punish Republican senators for doing their job and reward our own Democrat ones for running away from theirs. Gee. I can't figure out why no one wants us to be in charge!

4 posted on 09/21/2011 1:37:10 PM PDT by Hunton Peck (See my FR homepage for a list of businesses that support WI Gov. Scott Walker)
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To: Diana in Wisconsin

FYI..REALLY BIG DEAL....


5 posted on 09/21/2011 1:41:33 PM PDT by ken5050 (Save the EARTH...it's the ONLY planet with CHOCOLATE!!!)
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To: ken5050; UB355; Hunton Peck; TaMoDee; P from Sheb; Shady; DonkeyBonker; Wisconsinlady; JPG; ...
Wisconsin Politics Ping List Ping!
6 posted on 09/21/2011 2:18:07 PM PDT by Diana in Wisconsin (I don't have 'Hobbies.' I'm developing a robust Post-Apocalyptic skill set...)
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To: UB355; All

“We looked at the law and we find the law at best an exercise in wasted resources,” Beil said. “We’ve chosen to use our resources to organize our members and advocate for our members.”

Translation: “Get 0bama re-elected!”

Don’t kid yourselves; they’ll just go covert and continue on as before...


7 posted on 09/21/2011 2:22:34 PM PDT by Diana in Wisconsin (I don't have 'Hobbies.' I'm developing a robust Post-Apocalyptic skill set...)
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To: ken5050

Maybe I do not really understand this, but it seems to be HUGH, SERIES, and GOOD. ?? Yes?


8 posted on 09/21/2011 2:26:07 PM PDT by NEMDF
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To: NEMDF

Absolutely....government workers union power in WI has been effectively broken...


9 posted on 09/21/2011 2:27:58 PM PDT by ken5050 (Save the EARTH...it's the ONLY planet with CHOCOLATE!!!)
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To: UB355

Hope this has legs.


10 posted on 09/21/2011 2:30:47 PM PDT by yup2394871293
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To: ken5050

That’s what I was wondering? Does this mean that the union can no longer collect dues?


11 posted on 09/21/2011 2:38:23 PM PDT by KansasGirl
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To: Diana in Wisconsin
Don’t kid yourselves; they’ll just go covert and continue on as before...


Maybe... but now they have to collect those union dues from each member separately...:^)

12 posted on 09/21/2011 2:42:37 PM PDT by az_gila
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To: az_gila

Yep. The coffers will be lighter, but they’ll find a way to fund themselves, legally or not.


13 posted on 09/21/2011 2:49:57 PM PDT by Diana in Wisconsin (I don't have 'Hobbies.' I'm developing a robust Post-Apocalyptic skill set...)
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To: UB355

You all tis tis Wisconsin, another lib state. The people have always been conservative, the lib politics are entrenched. Finally, the people have a voice. You all out there mock Wisconsin, but we are as conservative as Nebraska, we were shackled, the shackles have been removed. Now, we will reveal our true colors. Wisconsin has never been lib, the media and pressure made us so. We were forced to be a lib state, no more.

The hostage takers realize, they lost Wisconsin. WE WILL NEVER VOTE LIB AGAIN.

WE BROKE FREE!

After decades of this crap, finally, we are free!


14 posted on 09/21/2011 2:50:24 PM PDT by Indy Pendance
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To: KansasGirl
Does this mean that the union can no longer collect dues?

They can collect from whoever wants to pay them, but they can no longer use the government to compel payment by deducting the dues from paychecks and forwarding them. So, their income took a huge hit.

To compound that huge diminution in income, the unions just spent millions from their savings in the recent recall elections, without winning.

Now, with income devastated and savings simultaneously depleted, they're laying off many staffers.

Perhaps we should take up a collection?

15 posted on 09/21/2011 2:50:44 PM PDT by Hebrews 11:6 (Do you REALLY believe that (1) God is, and (2) God is good?)
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To: UB355

My guess is that they’re throwing all their resource at getting Walker thrown out, and getting Ø reelected next year.


16 posted on 09/21/2011 2:51:03 PM PDT by fwdude ("When in the Course of human events it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve ...")
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To: UB355

Wow! Whodathunkit?


17 posted on 09/21/2011 2:51:34 PM PDT by April Lexington (Study the Constitution so you know what they are taking away!)
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To: Indy Pendance
WE BROKE FREE!

Free at last! Free at last! Thank G-d almighty, y'all are free at last!

18 posted on 09/21/2011 2:53:57 PM PDT by April Lexington (Study the Constitution so you know what they are taking away!)
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To: UB355

A great victory for the People.


19 posted on 09/21/2011 2:56:39 PM PDT by arrogantsob (Why do They hate her so much?)
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To: UB355

how do I tell if my collar is blue or white? What if I don’t wear collared shirts in the first place? Then which class victim am I?


20 posted on 09/21/2011 3:10:09 PM PDT by stefanbatory (Insert witty tagline here)
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To: Indy Pendance

Wisconsin’s victory is a good one. It shows every other state choked by union thugs how to destroy them. The blueprint is there. All states need do is copy Wisconsin’s example. Gov. Walker is a 21st century warrior.


21 posted on 09/21/2011 3:38:09 PM PDT by sergeantdave
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To: UB355
"We've chosen to use our resources to organize our members and advocate for our members."

In other words, "We know we're going down but want to preserve our cushy union positions as long as possible".

22 posted on 09/21/2011 3:41:27 PM PDT by ken in texas (Can't Afford a Tagline... send money.)
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To: Indy Pendance

If we could say the same in California.


23 posted on 09/21/2011 3:52:54 PM PDT by Del Rapier
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To: NEMDF
Maybe I do not really understand this, but it seems to be HUGH, SERIES, and GOOD. ?? Yes?

The word is serious not series. Series designates an orderly assignment of "articles" based upon some definite criteria such as numeric order.

24 posted on 09/21/2011 3:56:44 PM PDT by ProudFossil
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To: NEMDF
Maybe I do not really understand this, but it seems to be HUGH, SERIES, and GOOD. ?? Yes?

And the other word is huge, not Hugh. Hugh is a name such as in Hugh Hefner, huge denotes a large or massive attribute of something such as the satellite falling to Earth right now is huge.

25 posted on 09/21/2011 3:59:47 PM PDT by ProudFossil
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To: UB355
To win the recertification election, unions must get 51% of the vote of all the members of their bargaining unit, not just the ones who take the time to cast ballots - a much higher bar than state elected officials have to clear to win their offices.

It is obvious where the author of this article stands on the issue. So much for so-called journalism.

26 posted on 09/21/2011 4:21:16 PM PDT by kabar
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To: ProudFossil

n00b

This is most definitely Hugh and Series. %(8-)


27 posted on 09/21/2011 4:31:09 PM PDT by Woodman
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To: ken5050
Absolutely....government workers union power in WI has been effectively broken...

Next step: police and fire unions, and/or full right-to-work.

It will mean that unions in other states would have to subsidize WI Dems in order for the Dems to maintain campaign funding levels in WI.

28 posted on 09/21/2011 4:41:06 PM PDT by PapaBear3625 (When you've only heard lies your entire life, the truth sounds insane.)
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To: April Lexington

You can’t imagine the feeling here in WI. We got one monkey off our back. We were double wammied. It’s such a relief. WI is a good state, we were saddled with the liberal label, but we were weren’t liberal. The fringe ruled this state, and they’re lashing out because we finally kicked their butts out of power.

It’s annoying, but, we’re going to kick them out for good. Thank God! Obama has a hard on for our state, everything he’s doing in this state is Chicago, and it’s failing. The choo-choo train failed, and Walker is his target.


29 posted on 09/21/2011 4:53:00 PM PDT by Indy Pendance
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To: sergeantdave

Scott Walker has been a local icon, now he’s national. Everything he’s doing, he’s been trying in Milwaukee county, another liberal stronghold. He never once raised taxes in that county over 8 years. We knew who we voted for. Thank God for Scott Walker! He’s our hero!


30 posted on 09/21/2011 5:00:44 PM PDT by Indy Pendance
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To: Del Rapier

30 years ago, your icon was Reagan. You can get it back.


31 posted on 09/21/2011 5:04:02 PM PDT by Indy Pendance
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To: UB355

they lose. ha fricking ha.


32 posted on 09/21/2011 6:06:22 PM PDT by Recovering_Democrat
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To: Indy Pendance; Diana in Wisconsin

The big problem is that I’m waiting for Diana in Wisconsin to send me 5 lbs. of Milwaukee kielbasa from the European Sausage Shop on Muskego Ave. in Milwaukee. So far, no sausage for me. That makes me sad.

And a jar of Polish horseradish would be nice.

( Just foolin’ with you people.) :-)


33 posted on 09/21/2011 6:17:43 PM PDT by sergeantdave
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To: ProudFossil

You are joking, right? Those two words were purposely misspelled in deference to Freepers (and their mistakes) from the past.


34 posted on 09/21/2011 6:21:56 PM PDT by ConservativeMind ("Humane" = "Don't pen up pets or eat meat, but allow infanticide, abortion, and euthanasia.")
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To: Indy Pendance

Free at last! Free at last! Thank God almighty, you’re free at last!


35 posted on 09/21/2011 6:27:34 PM PDT by BenKenobi (Honkeys for Herman! “10 percent is enough for God; 9 percent is enough for government")
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To: UB355
To win the recertification election, unions must get 51% of the vote of all the members of their bargaining unit, not just the ones who take the time to cast ballots

They scream about the Democratic process until they have to live or die by it.

36 posted on 09/21/2011 7:33:24 PM PDT by listenhillary (Look your representatives in the eye and ask if they intend to pay off the debt. They will look away)
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To: Hebrews 11:6

They have also lost the no bid union run health plan scam that they were running. Fewer dollars there also.

Formally it was written into some of the school contracts that they use the union health insurance. Competition saved schools millions and balanced their budgets.


37 posted on 09/21/2011 7:38:08 PM PDT by listenhillary (Look your representatives in the eye and ask if they intend to pay off the debt. They will look away)
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To: UB355

and the RATS, take another one in the.........HA ha!!!

38 posted on 09/21/2011 8:45:46 PM PDT by Chode (American Hedonist - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: Woodman

And the Union workers now know what is like to face an electorate, all of whom have their beebers set on stune!


39 posted on 09/21/2011 8:55:21 PM PDT by LachlanMinnesota (Which are you? A producer, a looter, or a moocher of wealth?)
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To: ProudFossil; NEMDF
The word is serious not series. Series designates an orderly assignment of "articles" based upon some definite criteria such as numeric order.

Are you series?

You can't be series.

"Series" is a series tradition here.

Series-ly.


40 posted on 09/21/2011 9:24:55 PM PDT by maine-iac7 (ALWAYS WATCH THE OTHER HAND)
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To: ProudFossil; NEMDF
And the other word is huge, not Hugh. Hugh is a name such as in Hugh Hefner...

ahahahah

My dad's name is Hugh - (last name not Hefner) - but this REALLY is 'hugh AND series" FR lingo.

Where ace you been all these years?


41 posted on 09/21/2011 9:29:55 PM PDT by maine-iac7 (ALWAYS WATCH THE OTHER HAND)
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To: Woodman

Yep

42 posted on 09/21/2011 9:31:32 PM PDT by maine-iac7 (ALWAYS WATCH THE OTHER HAND)
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To: maine-iac7

FR lingo must be eased into gradually. Too much too soon could stune your beeber.


43 posted on 09/21/2011 9:37:48 PM PDT by kevao
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To: Indy Pendance
You can’t imagine the feeling here in WI. We got one monkey off our back. We were double wammied. It’s such a relief. WI is a good state, we were saddled with the liberal label, but we were weren’t liberal. The fringe ruled this state, and they’re lashing out because we finally kicked their butts out of power.

Oh, I can DEFINITELY imagine!

The fringe - liberal flatlanders that have infiltrated our state for the past 50 years did the same thing here. But after 40 years, we threw them out and took back all 3 houses...there is a great gnashing of teeth

But our new governor doesn't speak PC, and he's taking no prisoners. CONSERVATIVE to the core.

A self-made man (was on the streets at age 11...got through college, worked his way up to manager of our biggest 'chain' store, got elected as Mayor to a deep blue town - TWICE - and now gov.

One of his first altercations was with the NAACP who came to town with the express purpose of getting him n line. They 'invited' him to dinner.

He said, "sorry, my calendar is full that day"

They called him a racist.

He told them: "Kiss my A*s." (The papers reported it as "Kiss my BUTT - but it was "a*s. I don't remember hearing that they've made another visit.)

(If they'd checked, they would have seen his family photo of him, his wife and their children. OH my, one of the them is, oh my goodness, black! He had semi-adopted a young Jamaican teen, put him through high school, college and he's now getting his doctorate..)

Yup. Maine. It's finally back in the hands of the natives.

44 posted on 09/21/2011 9:46:19 PM PDT by maine-iac7 (ALWAYS WATCH THE OTHER HAND)
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To: ken5050

and they spent $30M of their precious, limited resources trying to unseat R state legislators, to little avail.


45 posted on 09/21/2011 9:49:25 PM PDT by EDINVA ( Jimmy McMillan '12: because RENT'S, TOO DAMN HIGH)
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To: LachlanMinnesota
all of whom have their beebers set on stune!

hee hee

46 posted on 09/21/2011 9:49:54 PM PDT by maine-iac7 (ALWAYS WATCH THE OTHER HAND)
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To: kevao

47 posted on 09/21/2011 9:52:00 PM PDT by maine-iac7 (ALWAYS WATCH THE OTHER HAND)
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To: UB355
The actual decertification won't happen, however, until it's requested by either the employer or a citizen, Scott said. That's in part because the agency doesn't have a master list of all the public employee unions in the state, he said.
"We're not going to know if they don't file unless somebody tells us," Scott said.


I hope some citizen of WI has a list of Unions and makes sure to request decertification so the State can do the proper paperwork and there's no question about their status.
48 posted on 09/21/2011 10:31:33 PM PDT by cryptical (The early bird gets the worm, but the second mouse gets the cheese.)
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To: UB355

Couldn’t happen to a more deserving bunch of thugs.


49 posted on 09/21/2011 10:56:37 PM PDT by Monitor ("The urge to save humanity is almost always a false-front for the urge to rule it." - H. L. Mencken)
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To: sergeantdave

This is the man that ought to be elected President, not that open-borders RINO asshat from Texas.


50 posted on 09/21/2011 11:40:53 PM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (Rick Perry has more red flags than a May Day Parade)
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