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OTC inhalers to be phased out to protect ozone layer
AP ^ | 9/22/2011 | MATTHEW PERRONE

Posted on 09/22/2011 11:41:44 AM PDT by Mount Athos

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To: Mount Athos
All this for a fly speck of CFC’s. It is one more opportunity for this corrupt government to tell the public that it always knows best. Who is going to stop them?
51 posted on 09/23/2011 12:06:01 AM PDT by oyez ( America is being pimped.)
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To: bereanway

>Used to be able to buy the albuterol inhalers that contained the CFC’s for about $4.00. The new non-CFC albuterol inhalers are almost 10 times as much.

And they don’t work as well. I have fairly severe asthma and the new non-CFC ones don’t seem to have enough “oomph” to push into my lungs when I’m having a bad attack.

And God knows what they’re using as a propellant in it and what that’s doing to my lungs.


52 posted on 09/23/2011 12:38:17 AM PDT by LizardQueen (The world is not out to get you, except in the sense that the world is out to get everyone.)
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To: Fresh Wind

Just mix it with 5 gal of Diesel or Kerosene...takes the smell away almost totally...Then again..... ;)


53 posted on 09/23/2011 12:59:01 AM PDT by Norm Lenhart (Chief Druid of Trollhenge: Cult of Palin)
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To: boop
>"Has anyone found a “green” product that is superior or even equivalent to the evil non-green product?"

Only one I can vouch for.

Spin Dry

I hate electric bills, and this gets yer clothes almost dry without heat.

54 posted on 09/23/2011 1:32:41 AM PDT by rawcatslyentist (It is necessary that a person be born of a father who is a citizen; ~Vattel's Law of Nations)
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To: Graybeard58
Also include the price of an office call now to get a scrip.

That's the whole idea. If you can afford your own, you won't need the Gummint to take care of you, so they change the rules so you can't afford it.

55 posted on 09/23/2011 5:49:23 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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To: boop
"In fact, I just picked up some TSP so that my “green” dishwasher soap will actually clean my dishes instead of leaving them cloudy, dirty and greasy."

TSP (Trisodium phosphate) is now phosphate free. I guess they should call it TS.
56 posted on 09/23/2011 7:04:54 AM PDT by lunarville (Common sense ain't so common anymore...)
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To: Argus

Considering it takes energy to eaqrn and accumulate those consumer dollars, it is obvious to me “green” is anything but.


57 posted on 09/23/2011 7:35:56 AM PDT by PghBaldy (War Powers Res: http://avalon.law.yale.edu/20th_century/warpower.asp)
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To: Joe 6-pack

Here we go again! Those who remember their high school or college chemistry, break out your chart of elements. Now add up how much a CFC molecule weighs. compare to the weight of O2, CO2 and nitrogen. Now silently in your head say…WTH or WTF. Does that tell you the caliber of scientists at the EPA or the FDA.

IF you still need confirmation, seek out an earth scientist at your local university. Be prepared for him or her to laugh hysterically while rolling on the ground.

CFCs are way too heavy to reach the stratosphere to damage ozone.


58 posted on 09/23/2011 9:23:04 AM PDT by W. W. SMITH (Islam is an instrument of enslavement)
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To: Mount Athos

“Asthma patients who rely on over-the-counter inhalers will need to switch to prescription-only alternatives..”

This should probably result in lower health care costs.....

;-)


59 posted on 09/23/2011 9:55:14 AM PDT by CSM (Keeper of the "Dave Ramsey Fan" ping list. FReepmail me if you want your beeber stuned.)
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To: Vendome
CFC’s are 7 times heavier than air. In a room CFC will drop to the ground.

Honestly, how much does CFC delivered asthma relief affect the atmosphere?

Sigh.....


Silly you ... you're being logical using scientific facts!
60 posted on 09/23/2011 10:44:34 AM PDT by algernonpj (He who pays the piper . . .)
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To: LizardQueen
Used to be able to buy the albuterol inhalers that contained the CFC’s for about $4.00. The new non-CFC albuterol inhalers are almost 10 times as much.

And they don’t work as well. I have fairly severe asthma and the new non-CFC ones don’t seem to have enough “oomph” to push into my lungs when I’m having a bad attack. ...


Per the FDA: "It is important to remember that it is the deep breath that you take with each puff that gets the medication into your lungs, not the force of the spray."

Interesting advice for the FDA to give someone who taking medication because they can't breathe deeply.

Don't expect any help getting the CFC inhalers back because the following were given grants bribes to 'educate' you and your physician on the new inferior inhalers:
The American Lung Association (ALA)
The Asthma and Allergy Foundation of America (AAFA
) The Allergy and Asthma Network Mothers of Asthmatics (AANMA)
The American Academy of Allergy, Asthma and Immunology (AAAAI)
The American Academy of Pediatrics
The American Association for Respiratory Care (AARC)
The American College of Allergy, Asthma and Immunology (ACAAI)
The American College of Chest Physicians (ACCP)
The American Thoracic Society (ATS)
Allergy and Asthma Network Mothers of Asthmatics
Crony Capitalism at work!
61 posted on 09/23/2011 11:13:44 AM PDT by algernonpj (He who pays the piper . . .)
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To: FreedomPoster; Red Badger; backhoe
There are a number of people out there who are convinced that the whole thing was a scam because the patents were running out on the common CFC refrigerants. R-11, R-12, R-22, etc.

I think backhoe is one of them.

I have my doubts about the matter as well.

We certainly shot ourselves in the foot on air conditioning energy efficiency on the changeover.


backhoe and others are correct. Amazing coincidence that the patents were running out presenting an opportunity for the interests of PC and crony capitalism to merge.
62 posted on 09/23/2011 11:19:49 AM PDT by algernonpj (He who pays the piper . . .)
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To: algernonpj; FreedomPoster; backhoe

http://www.imcool.com/articles/aircondition/refrigerant_history.php


63 posted on 09/23/2011 11:34:56 AM PDT by Red Badger ("Treason doth never prosper.... What's the reason? Why if it prosper, none dare call it treason.")
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To: UCANSEE2
Is yours one of the new Prescription only inhalers using Albuterol?

Yep. I had to get something. The local stores are running out of Primatene Mist.

64 posted on 09/23/2011 12:12:05 PM PDT by Sarajevo (Is it true that cannibals don't eat clowns because they taste funny?)
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To: CSM
This should probably result in lower health care costs.....

How so?

65 posted on 09/23/2011 12:16:10 PM PDT by Sarajevo (Is it true that cannibals don't eat clowns because they taste funny?)
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To: Sarajevo

I could have sworn that I didn’t need a sarcasm tag. I figured that since we are living in bizarro world and all....


66 posted on 09/23/2011 12:29:08 PM PDT by CSM (Keeper of the "Dave Ramsey Fan" ping list. FReepmail me if you want your beeber stuned.)
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To: FreedomPoster
There are a number of people out there who are convinced that the whole thing was a scam because the patents were running out on the common CFC refrigerants. R-11, R-12, R-22, etc.

There was a book published in the early nineties called, "The Holes in the Ozone Scare," that pretty much said the CFC/Ozone hole thing was a scam.

67 posted on 09/23/2011 12:34:04 PM PDT by saminfl
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To: Red Badger; FreedomPoster; backhoe; saminfl

Note the time line beginning in 1974 in this backgrounder from Dupont. I could only download via wayback:

http://wayback.archive.org/web/*/http://refrigerants.dupont.com/Suva/en_US/pdf/75_years.pdf

“Still the leading global supplier of refrigerants for the commercial and industrial air conditioning and refrigeration industries, DuPont begins its own studies for alternative refrigerants after questions arise about possible harmful effects of fluorocarbons on the stratospheric ozone.

Moline and Rowland publish ozone depletion theory in 1974.

Noted in Red Badger’s link.
http://www.imcool.com/articles/aircondition/refrigerant_history.php

A manufacturing patent for Freon was due to expire in 1979.


68 posted on 09/23/2011 1:15:42 PM PDT by algernonpj (He who pays the piper . . .)
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To: algernonpj
A manufacturing patent for Freon was due to expire in 1979.

IIRC, that was a manufacturing PROCESS patent, not a patent on the Freon itself, which had expired decades earlier......

69 posted on 09/23/2011 1:18:08 PM PDT by Red Badger ("Treason doth never prosper.... What's the reason? Why if it prosper, none dare call it treason.")
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To: Graybeard58

I was assuming that one already has a relationship with the doctor. Sorry.

My asthma days are long-gone but my childhood/teen years were miserable because of it.It’s one tough illness.No inhalers in my day,but I had a glass nebulizer,a real pain in the neck.

The asthma just went away when I was 22.


70 posted on 09/23/2011 1:30:32 PM PDT by Mears
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To: Red Badger; algernonpj

OK, so it wasn’t the patent on the substance, but the patent to make the substance economically. The effect of that patent running out would have been that Dupont was going to see significant new competition.


71 posted on 09/23/2011 2:42:45 PM PDT by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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To: Mount Athos

Lehman Brothers was heavily invested in Wind and Solar and was one of the reasons why it went under.


72 posted on 09/24/2011 1:02:23 AM PDT by American Constitutionalist (The fool has said in his heart, " there is no GOD " ..)
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To: American Constitutionalist

Why are you spamming every thread with that same post?


73 posted on 09/24/2011 1:13:06 AM PDT by Fresh Wind ('People have got to know whether or not their President is a crook.' Richard M. Nixon)
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To: Fresh Wind

To get the truth out. wake up people !


74 posted on 09/24/2011 2:12:30 AM PDT by American Constitutionalist (The fool has said in his heart, " there is no GOD " ..)
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To: Sarajevo
Then I thank you for your response and that information. What I would be concerned about is the Obama Admin adding extra 'duties' to the German brand to force patients to buy their inhalers from new 'start up' company that contributes to the DNC and got special loans and deals to take over the markent, and then they somehow file bankruptcy.

Of course, I am merely speculating because this type of thing has never happened before..... (/sarc).

75 posted on 09/24/2011 5:53:09 PM PDT by UCANSEE2 (Lame and ill-informed post)
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To: Mount Athos; SheLion; Gabz; Hank Kerchief; 383rr; libertarian27; traviskicks; bamahead; CSM; ...
But the switch to a greener inhaler will cost consumers more. Epinephrine inhalers are available via online retailers for around $20, whereas the alternatives, which contain the drug albuterol, range from $30 to $60.

Kill the poor.

Nanny State PING!

76 posted on 09/24/2011 6:09:13 PM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (It's the Tea Party's fault!)
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To: Mount Athos

Wanna bet the improved inhalers do not work as well?


77 posted on 09/24/2011 6:12:45 PM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (It's the Tea Party's fault!)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

ExLax ... worked great.. FDA took off market
Alka Seltzer Plus ... worked great .. FDA took off market
Sudafed... works great.. gotta sign life away to buy it ...DEA
Inhalers... work great ... EPA take off market

Seeing a pattern here???

EFFEMALL!!!!!


78 posted on 09/24/2011 6:40:24 PM PDT by gwilhelm56 (islam ... Cult of the DAMNED!!!)
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To: Sarajevo
Then I thank you for your response and that information. What I would be concerned about is the Obama Admin adding extra 'duties' to the German brand to force patients to buy their inhalers from new 'start up' company that contributes to the DNC and got special loans and deals to take over the markent, and then they somehow file bankruptcy.

Of course, I am merely speculating because this type of thing has never happened before..... (/sarc).

79 posted on 09/24/2011 6:54:52 PM PDT by UCANSEE2 (Lame and ill-informed post)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Jeepers. Thanks for the ping!


80 posted on 09/24/2011 9:06:04 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
Wanna bet the improved inhalers do not work as well?

No wager is needed. I can attest that the new inhalers suck.

I had to go to a 1 hour class on the use and operation of the new inhaler and spacer. You have to shake the thing for 1 minute before you can be sure of getting adequate medication in suspension. You can take puffs before the minute is up, but you will receive a lesser dose of medication. That's all fine and dandy, but shaking the thing for a minute while an elephant is on my chest is not my idea of fun.

81 posted on 09/26/2011 12:36:21 PM PDT by Sarajevo (Is it true that cannibals don't eat clowns because they taste funny?)
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