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Perry, Romney Head Into Decisive Third Debate
Fox News ^ | September 22, 2011 | Chris Stirewalt

Posted on 09/22/2011 12:39:16 PM PDT by yoe

Dueling pitchers Rick Perry and Mitt Romney will face off tonight for the third time in three weeks in Republican presidential debates.

Perry won the first game by throwing plenty of heat and Romney prevailed the second time with finesse pitches and lots of help on offense from other players. Now, it’s time for the rubber game? As they head into the FOX News/Google debate ahead of the Republican Party of Florida’s straw poll, the stakes for Romney and Perry are huge.

Romney has seen his own support solidify following Perry’s blazing entrance to the race last month. But the former Massachusetts governor has to prove that it is more than just a political version of “cash for clunkers” in which people who were eventually going to back Romney anyway just moved up their decisions. As the milder of the two, Romney faces an enthusiasm gap with Perry. Romney has been trying to close the gap by dampening the ardor of Perry’s supporters by raising questions about the Texas governor’s electablity. But as Power Play often notes, the problem with running an electability campaign is that primary voters tend to resent candidates who make the opposing party’s arguments for them.

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Extended News; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: hungryhungryrinos; msm4anyrino; msm4rinos; rinoperry; rinoromney
How many of us have written over the years asking our elected why they don't clean up government waste....it would save billions of dollars. Having faxed at least half a dozen letters about waste, I probably received some three or four 'form' letters over the last four years. I don't suppose Wallace or Baier will ask the really hard question addressing Government WASTE or reducing the size of the Bureaucratic morass that is strangling Washington, DC ......what would they (candidates) do to correct both situations. Hope beautiful Ms. Kelly can refrain from sounding like "just the facts 'mam" Joe Friday - aka Jack Webb......Education will not be helped with more money thrown at that Union: America has laws that prohibit illegal aliens from entering the country and from remaining here once "caught".....enforce those laws....I don't want to hear any politician weazle around that let alone Baier etc. ask questions about it - being here illegally is a crime; all should agree on that......NO OLD RHETORIC, MODERATORS. Perry and Romney are not the only contenders....just because the pundits etc. say so.
1 posted on 09/22/2011 12:39:20 PM PDT by yoe
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To: yoe

Just a quick reminder - there’re more than two candidates in this race.


2 posted on 09/22/2011 12:42:17 PM PDT by skeeter
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To: yoe

Decisive how?


3 posted on 09/22/2011 12:42:55 PM PDT by Williams (Honey Badger Don't Care)
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To: Williams
Decisive how?

That was exactly my reaction too. Debates being held 13+ months before the general election and 10 months before the convention are "decisive"? Good grief.
4 posted on 09/22/2011 12:44:54 PM PDT by rockvillem
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To: yoe

My prediction...Michele Bachmann puts away her long knives.


5 posted on 09/22/2011 12:46:16 PM PDT by ez ("Abashed the Devil stood and felt how awful goodness is." - Milton, "Paradise Lost")
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To: yoe
Decisive?

Am I the only one who thinks these "debates" are full of sound and fury signifying nothing?

ML/NJ

6 posted on 09/22/2011 12:46:28 PM PDT by ml/nj
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To: yoe

In case this reporter didn’t notice, it’s still almost 14 months to the election. So, how on earth is this “third debate” between two establishment Republicans supposed to be “decisive”? Nothing will happen for the next year?


7 posted on 09/22/2011 12:47:14 PM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius.)
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To: skeeter

McCotter announced he was dropping out just a little while ago.

The media is happily doing what they do and pushing Mitt Perry but the race doesn’t even begin till the primary votes start coming in.


8 posted on 09/22/2011 12:48:53 PM PDT by cripplecreek (A vote for Amnesty is a vote for a permanent Democrat majority. ..Choose well.)
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To: yoe

Bleh. It will be more of the same. Everyone gangs up on Perry, Ron Paul goes off the rails and Mittens stands there while everyone is afraid to muss up his hair. Obama will be barely mentioned. We will also have Chris Wallass being snarky and asking what brand of car tire the candidates prefer, Firestone or Uniroyal.


9 posted on 09/22/2011 12:51:23 PM PDT by Lazlo in PA (Now living in a newly minted Red State.)
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To: yoe

I only hear to watch Newt bash the media.


10 posted on 09/22/2011 12:52:31 PM PDT by Retired Greyhound
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To: yoe

How is this debate decisive?
Wouldn’t decisive come during primary season?


11 posted on 09/22/2011 12:52:53 PM PDT by svcw (It is who I am, it is what I do.)
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To: yoe
Perry, Romney Head Into Decisive Third Debate

Might be just a little premature with the first primary voting still more than four months off.

12 posted on 09/22/2011 12:53:17 PM PDT by Will88
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To: ml/nj

Well they seem to creep by in their petty pace and they’re moderated by idiots, that’s for sure.
And Romney and Perry are just walking shadows. I think you’re on to something.
McCain’s Ghost?


13 posted on 09/22/2011 12:56:12 PM PDT by tumblindice (Liberals' cries of `racism' are preceded by a popping noise, as their illusions are burst.)
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To: cripplecreek
McCotter was in???

Who knew?

14 posted on 09/22/2011 1:00:42 PM PDT by gov_bean_ counter
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To: ml/nj

“Am I the only one who thinks these “debates” are full of sound and fury signifying nothing?”

Short answer. NO
Lomg answer. HELL NO


15 posted on 09/22/2011 1:04:01 PM PDT by MestaMachine (Wanna confuse obama? Ask him his REAL name.)
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To: yoe
It's roughly 13 months to the election. I don't see where this is a decisive debate. What's with those in the press trying to decide these things so damn early. We shouldn't get serious about this until spring 2012. Am I wrong about this? We are gonna have election fatigue before summer 2012. Why the rush? Am I missing something?
16 posted on 09/22/2011 1:05:34 PM PDT by truthguy (Good intentions are not enough.)
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To: ez

I don’t think so. At this point, it’s the only weapon she has. She has some very valid points she can make, but I don’tknow if she has the finesse to make them.


17 posted on 09/22/2011 1:12:08 PM PDT by MestaMachine (Wanna confuse obama? Ask him his REAL name.)
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To: MestaMachine
Nothing more that rock tossing contests...

May as well call them...

The Earnest T. Bass Political Round Table Discussions.

18 posted on 09/22/2011 1:18:12 PM PDT by gov_bean_ counter
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To: cripplecreek

Wow. He didn’t even last as long as pawlenty. He had some good talking points and policy papers though. If Bachmann had his acumen sans the union cozies, it would be a whole different ballgame tonight.


19 posted on 09/22/2011 1:19:14 PM PDT by MestaMachine (Wanna confuse obama? Ask him his REAL name.)
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To: Cicero

Because it’s 5 months until the Iowa Caucus.


20 posted on 09/22/2011 1:20:49 PM PDT by normy (Don't take it personally, just take it seriously.)
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To: gov_bean_ counter

gary, the johnson is going to be on stage tonight. My only response to that is....why?


21 posted on 09/22/2011 1:22:37 PM PDT by MestaMachine (Wanna confuse obama? Ask him his REAL name.)
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To: MestaMachine

gary, the johnson is going to be on stage tonight. My only response to that is....why?
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To have a matching set? Johnson/Huntsman?


22 posted on 09/22/2011 1:26:19 PM PDT by Irenic
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To: skeeter

Yep and I give Newt some credit for rheaming the media a whole new anus when they try to get them all to fight.Cain is someone to watch.Bachmann is astute and knows what it really takes to repeal ObamaCare.

Romney is desperate political toast.He already released his VP choices.I wish Romney would drop out.Oh and Huntsmen reminds me of a infomercial from the dark side.


23 posted on 09/22/2011 1:28:13 PM PDT by Dubya-M-DeesWent2SyriaStupid! (PDS=someone that doesnt dream dates up of a Palin announcement;nor act as Palins campaign manager)
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To: yoe

Debates are not decisive and they are only for political junkies to talk about. Daily campaigning, political ads, and media interviews are more effective, more decisive, and would sway much more opinions than debates do.


24 posted on 09/22/2011 1:36:01 PM PDT by jgge
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To: Cicero

“Nothing will happen for the next year?”

This is about the GOP primaries, selecting delegates to the party convention, and coming up with a nominee. That will all take place starting in late January. Within 6 weeks of the IA caucus a single frontrunner will likely be decided, and then it’s all geared to the general election.

There was a thread on here about #x NH state legislators endorsing Perry. The presumption has been that Romney had NH wrapped up as, if not a favorite son, as the boy next door. Governors and state legislators, who have the ground troops, are starting to decide now. That affords the endorsees a lot of in-state support as s/he faces the primaries. So, a LOT will be going on in the next several months. A year from how, as to the in-party fight, it is all over. I’d wager that that aspect will be over by March.


25 posted on 09/22/2011 1:37:58 PM PDT by EDINVA ( Jimmy McMillan '12: because RENT'S, TOO DAMN HIGH)
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To: MestaMachine
My only response to that is....why?

Really, we already have a couple of "Johnsons" on the state already...

26 posted on 09/22/2011 1:42:00 PM PDT by gov_bean_ counter
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To: gov_bean_ counter

shoot, state = stage.


27 posted on 09/22/2011 1:43:38 PM PDT by gov_bean_ counter
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To: rockvillem
That was exactly my reaction too. Debates being held 13+ months before the general election and 10 months before the convention are "decisive"? Good grief.

The primary elections start in about 3 months. This thing will be decided within 6 months.

28 posted on 09/22/2011 1:46:09 PM PDT by GOPyouth ("We're buying shrimp, guys. Come on." - Dear Leader)
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To: Irenic

Just watch to see if johnson has oreos on the podium in case of a munchie attack.


29 posted on 09/22/2011 1:46:44 PM PDT by MestaMachine (Wanna confuse obama? Ask him his REAL name.)
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To: rockvillem; Williams; skeeter; yoe

I have not heard how many more of these pre-primary debates they are going to televise before the end of the year. I expect they will not have many more. Then, when the debates are over, before the holiday season starts, the media will take Perry and Romney and the polls will say they are two “leaders” and they will get the most attention, and interviews until the serious primary campaigning and voting begins. So, the debates will have served their purpose of narrowing the field, primarily for the media. In this way, the media through the primary voting process can settle, pre-convention, who the candidate will be, instead of the people and their delegates deciding at the convention.


30 posted on 09/22/2011 1:48:51 PM PDT by ngat
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To: MestaMachine

Just watch to see if johnson has oreos on the podium in case of a munchie attack.
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hahaha! Or if he gets lizard mouth like that Anita Dunn lady did. I think that’s her name. (the Mao lover)


31 posted on 09/22/2011 1:49:39 PM PDT by Irenic
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To: yoe
Let's pretend that state-controlled media gets to decide who our candidates are.

It always works out so well when we do that.

32 posted on 09/22/2011 1:54:12 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Palin is coming, and the Tea Party is coming with her.)
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To: GOPyouth

Decisive for now might be for the Florida straw poll coming right up. So far, perry has a lock on it. If it’s gonna change, he would really have to blow it tonight. He has a quick temper and the longknives will be out, so he will have to really exercise some self-control. He can, but it might appear to ne a strain, so it really depends on how he handles himself. He has to look natural and comfortable.


33 posted on 09/22/2011 1:55:16 PM PDT by MestaMachine (Wanna confuse obama? Ask him his REAL name.)
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To: Cicero

All of the controllers want this wrapped up soon, before any actual voters get involved.


34 posted on 09/22/2011 1:56:46 PM PDT by Jim Noble (To live peacefully with credit-based consumption and fiat money, men would have to be angels.)
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To: Irenic

Well. I expect huntsman will offer him some milk for his cookies. That night help. Then again, he might just end up with a silly looking mustache. Lord, I hope they don’t let him talk. ron paul is embarrassing enough for us.
mccain used to drive me insane with that snakey, darty tongue thing and those beady eyes.


35 posted on 09/22/2011 2:02:56 PM PDT by MestaMachine (Wanna confuse obama? Ask him his REAL name.)
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To: yoe

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republican_Party_%28United_States%29_presidential_primaries,_2012


36 posted on 09/22/2011 2:06:58 PM PDT by Dubya-M-DeesWent2SyriaStupid! (PDS=someone that doesnt dream dates up of a Palin announcement;nor act as Palins campaign manager)
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To: MestaMachine

Is it me or do Huntsman and Johnson have a feminine air about them?


37 posted on 09/22/2011 2:13:07 PM PDT by Irenic
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

They tried to pick Romney but it failed.Romney desperately released his VP list long ago he is finito ObamneyCare is political toast.You can’t change the mess that is ponzi scheme DC overnight.One freshmen tea party member at a time and fast forward the process.We will get there.

(I can’t stand how Romney stares down others when they are talking in the debates. He is too arrogant to look at his notes.)


38 posted on 09/22/2011 2:20:18 PM PDT by Dubya-M-DeesWent2SyriaStupid! (PDS=someone that doesnt dream dates up of a Palin announcement;nor act as Palins campaign manager)
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To: Irenic

Huntsmen does in a warped adams family dark side metro sexual way.


39 posted on 09/22/2011 2:22:17 PM PDT by Dubya-M-DeesWent2SyriaStupid! (PDS=someone that doesnt dream dates up of a Palin announcement;nor act as Palins campaign manager)
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To: Irenic

Effete, elite, metrosexual. Yep. I think that’s why johnson tries so had to prove he is a man’s man...mountain climbing and all that.


40 posted on 09/22/2011 2:43:13 PM PDT by MestaMachine (Wanna confuse obama? Ask him his REAL name.)
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To: yoe

Predictions:

Newt will steal the show by bashing Bammy and the media.
Perry will be very circumspect and careful.
Romney will come off as arrogant and snarky.
Bachman will be very quiet and ladylike.
Paul will twitch a lot.
Johnson will smile and be personable.
Huntsman will be very statesmanlike.
Santorum will stand behind his podium.


41 posted on 09/22/2011 2:56:28 PM PDT by sodpoodle (Despair: Man's surrender. Laughter: God's redemption.)
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To: sodpoodle

computer crashed.....

Cain will be articulate, optimistic, forthright, honest and informative without lecturing or belittling other candidates.


42 posted on 09/22/2011 3:14:10 PM PDT by sodpoodle (Despair: Man's surrender. Laughter: God's redemption.)
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To: sodpoodle

You forgot: And Sarah will tweet.


43 posted on 09/22/2011 3:20:48 PM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius.)
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To: yoe

Just hope the name Gardisil doesn’t pass thru anyone’s lips!


44 posted on 09/22/2011 3:30:15 PM PDT by Bassfire (Remember the Alamo!)
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To: Impy; fieldmarshaldj; AuH2ORepublican; justiceseeker93; GOPsterinMA; BillyBoy; LdSentinal; ...

I missed the debate, but heard about it. I hear that Rick Perry did poorly. He may turn out to be the Fred Thompson of this election cycle. Mitt Romney performed well enough, though he was very mechanical, I hear. Herman Cain and Gary Johnson came off the best.


45 posted on 09/23/2011 5:02:23 AM PDT by Clintonfatigued (Illegal aliens collect welfare checks that Americans won't collect)
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To: Clintonfatigued; fieldmarshaldj; AuH2ORepublican; BillyBoy; sickoflibs

Cain seemed sharp enough. Perhaps he can emerge, overtake Bachmann? She’s unfortunately not doing so hot.

Santorum I don’t love but he looks good compared to Mick Pomney. He’s getting high marks as well for the debate. He has gotten almost no traction at all.

If Perry does drop off that would hopefully cause some other alternative to Romney to move up.


46 posted on 09/23/2011 8:34:28 AM PDT by Impy (Don't call me red.)
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