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CERN scientists 'break the speed of light'
The Telegraph ^ | Sept. 22, 2011 | Uncredited

Posted on 09/22/2011 6:57:08 PM PDT by danielmryan

Scientists said on Thursday they recorded particles travelling faster than light - a finding that could overturn one of Einstein's fundamental laws of the universe.

Antonio Ereditato, spokesman for the international group of researchers, said that measurements taken over three years showed neutrinos pumped from CERN near Geneva to Gran Sasso in Italy had arrived 60 nanoseconds quicker than light would have done.

"We have high confidence in our results. We have checked and rechecked for anything that could have distorted our measurements but we found nothing," he said. "We now want colleagues to check them independently."

(Excerpt) Read more at telegraph.co.uk ...


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KEYWORDS: einstein; electrogravitics; lightspeed; physics; relativity; scientism; stringtheory
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It might be the result of a hidden measurement error, but if not...it's the new Michaelson-Morley experiment. It's real news for any physics buff, provided it's confirmed.

One question comes to mind: why didn't the neutrinos travel backwards in time? Or did they, adding to their speed?

1 posted on 09/22/2011 6:57:15 PM PDT by danielmryan
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To: danielmryan
arrived 60 nanoseconds quicker than light would have done.

Interesting article. As it turns out, they ordered the particles from Dominos, they did actually arrive that fast, but a teenaged driver killed a family of 4 getting them there. Sort of a mixed bag of results.

2 posted on 09/22/2011 7:02:39 PM PDT by Onelifetogive (I tweet, too... @Onelifetogive)
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To: danielmryan

OH SURE ... but how does that effect Man Made Global Warming?

We only want Important stuff not this nano second BS

Scientists should do “Stuff to Save the Planet”

/ Sarc

TT


3 posted on 09/22/2011 7:03:14 PM PDT by TexasTransplant (Radical islam is real islam. Moderate islam is the trojan horse.)
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To: danielmryan

“We have high confidence in our results. We have checked and rechecked for anything that could have distorted our measurements but we found nothing,”


This from the guys who recently came up with this:

“There is a new measurement of the size of the proton and it turns out that protons are smaller than we thought they were.”

http://www.quantumdiaries.org/2010/07/12/the-size-of-the-proton/


4 posted on 09/22/2011 7:04:09 PM PDT by UCANSEE2 (Lame and ill-informed post)
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To: TexasTransplant

“We now want colleagues to check them independently.”

How do they do that without the same equipment?


5 posted on 09/22/2011 7:04:09 PM PDT by edcoil (The will to win is important, but the will to prepare is vital. -- Joe Paterno)
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To: Onelifetogive

Pizza On Time!

TT


6 posted on 09/22/2011 7:04:13 PM PDT by TexasTransplant (Radical islam is real islam. Moderate islam is the trojan horse.)
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To: danielmryan
And until now, I thought it was only Black Friday shoppers who had exceeded light speed.


7 posted on 09/22/2011 7:04:16 PM PDT by twister881
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To: Onelifetogive

I heard you get faster delivery now because they FAX you the pizza.

The funny part is that it still tastes the same.


8 posted on 09/22/2011 7:05:32 PM PDT by UCANSEE2 (Lame and ill-informed post)
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To: danielmryan

OMG, I’ve got to post this to FreeRepublic! Oh, wait...

Lol, that’s literally what went through my mind when I saw your thread.

Nice find. Very interesting. Thanks for posting. :-)


9 posted on 09/22/2011 7:06:12 PM PDT by LibWhacker
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To: danielmryan
Neutrino's have no mass, right? No mass, no problem with FTL.
10 posted on 09/22/2011 7:06:39 PM PDT by SunTzuWu
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To: edcoil
How do they do that without the same equipment?

Heck, all you need is a radar gun and a cop wearing a protective suit made of unobtanium.

11 posted on 09/22/2011 7:07:02 PM PDT by UCANSEE2 (Lame and ill-informed post)
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To: danielmryan
Someone is looking for a grant.

Call me a luddite, but Albert's mathematics have stood the test of many times (no pun intended).

12 posted on 09/22/2011 7:08:25 PM PDT by Glenn (iamtheresistance.org)
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To: UCANSEE2

So now we are made up of even less stuff than we thought.

amazing and wow ...

TT


13 posted on 09/22/2011 7:08:25 PM PDT by TexasTransplant (Radical islam is real islam. Moderate islam is the trojan horse.)
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To: twister881

14 posted on 09/22/2011 7:08:35 PM PDT by twister881
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To: danielmryan

What I want to know is how did they ‘tag’ the neutrinos so that they could differentiate them from all the other neutrinos that are running laps around CERN?


15 posted on 09/22/2011 7:11:02 PM PDT by UCANSEE2 (Lame and ill-informed post)
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To: danielmryan

Maybe it’s not the neutrinos that are going faster, it’s just that light has slowed down.

: )


16 posted on 09/22/2011 7:12:08 PM PDT by UCANSEE2 (Lame and ill-informed post)
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To: SunTzuWu

Well, there are plenty of cases in which particles can go faster than light, in the sense that in certain mediums, neutrinos can pass through without interaction while photons do not. Take for instance a neutrino leaving the core of the Sun. The neutrino will leave the photosphere of the Sun before the light energy from the core will. Why? The neutrino will hardly interact, if at all, with any of the matter within the Sun’s interior, while the light will get absorbed and re-emitted. I will assume that this article is referring to the speed of light in a vacuum, however, and feel that that is probably an improvement. However, I would like to hear on the news if we can ever develop some way of moving matter through hyperspace, or something of the sort, so that we can go faster than light and visit other Stars. But then again, that’s my sci-fi/fantasy section of my brain running again!


17 posted on 09/22/2011 7:12:16 PM PDT by Morpheus2009
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To: TexasTransplant

Guess I can skip that diet I was on.


18 posted on 09/22/2011 7:13:28 PM PDT by UCANSEE2 (Lame and ill-informed post)
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To: danielmryan

Looks like these Neutrinos traveled about 6,000 meters a second faster than light. I wonder if they could tell which direction time flows with these particles?


19 posted on 09/22/2011 7:13:41 PM PDT by Brett66 (Where government advances, and it advances relentlessly , freedom is imperiled -Janice Rogers Brown)
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To: danielmryan

Heck, we Americans new way back in the early seventies that those new Torinos were fast.

I wish Ford hadn’t quit making them.


20 posted on 09/22/2011 7:14:23 PM PDT by Nik Naym (It's not my fault... I have compulsive smartass disorder.)
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To: danielmryan
Why would they travel backwards in time? If Einstein's speed limit has been broken, we are going to have to rewrite the rules about the behavior of matter at relativistic speeds.

According to theory, those neutrinos should have had infinite mass at 100% of light speed. (Or, do neutrinos have mass? I dunno...) That they did not, obviously, means someone is going to have to do some hugh and series number crunching.

Something else to consider: If we can break light speed, that means that the stars, and all those fat juicy planets we can pillage, aren't as out of reach as we thought. I'm not saying to pack a bag, but...

21 posted on 09/22/2011 7:14:29 PM PDT by jonascord (Politicians should be pelted with human manure, weekly, to remind them of their worth to society.)
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To: SunkenCiv

/mark


22 posted on 09/22/2011 7:14:39 PM PDT by KoRn (Department of Homeland Security, Certified - "Right Wing Extremist")
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To: Quix; AdmSmith; bvw; callisto; ckilmer; dandelion; ganeshpuri89; gobucks; KevinDavis; ...

Thanks danielmryan.


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23 posted on 09/22/2011 7:17:25 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (It's never a bad time to FReep this link -- https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: danielmryan
"We now want colleagues to check them independently."

How amateurish of them.

True professionals would say "the science is settled."

24 posted on 09/22/2011 7:18:41 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Palin is coming, and the Tea Party is coming with her.)
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To: UCANSEE2

“protons are smaller than we thought they were”

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E7SqSNQeAFM

I told my little brother for years that Roger Ramjet was a fraud, but he didn’t believe me.


25 posted on 09/22/2011 7:19:17 PM PDT by tumblindice (.)
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To: Morpheus2009

I tend to believe that anything we can ‘imagine’ can become possible. It is what I believe God meant when he said we were created in his own ‘image’. That which he imagined, he made ‘real’. We have the same ‘power’. Most everything around you was a thought in someone’s mind, and eventually they made it ‘real’. Cars, plastic, your home, your glasses. All ‘created’ by man.

If our species exists long enough, I believe it is possible that we may find a way to travel distances now thought ‘impossible’. It may end up that our physical bodies cannot make the trip, but our ‘minds’ can.


26 posted on 09/22/2011 7:19:17 PM PDT by UCANSEE2 (Lame and ill-informed post)
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To: KoRn

Thanks KoRn!


27 posted on 09/22/2011 7:20:27 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (It's never a bad time to FReep this link -- https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: Brett66
I wonder if they could tell which direction time flows with these particles?

Which would only indicate the human perception of the passage of time. I doubt the particles even notice.

28 posted on 09/22/2011 7:22:35 PM PDT by UCANSEE2 (Lame and ill-informed post)
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To: edcoil

Details, details. ;’)


29 posted on 09/22/2011 7:22:45 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (It's never a bad time to FReep this link -- https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: SunkenCiv

Thanks for the ping. I would have posted on this development if someone else had not. Fascinating.


30 posted on 09/22/2011 7:23:49 PM PDT by Kevmo (Turning the Party over to the so-called moderates wouldn't make any sense at all. ~Ronald Reagan)
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To: danielmryan

31 posted on 09/22/2011 7:25:44 PM PDT by Dallas59 (President Robert Gibbs 2009-2011)
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If they’d arrived *after* light, they’re called neutrinos — since they didn’t, they must be oldtrinos.

I had a friend whose family loved that model of Ford.

Nice segue’, maybe you don’t realize it yet, but your future self will.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YD-drh88vqY


32 posted on 09/22/2011 7:26:49 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (It's never a bad time to FReep this link -- https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: UCANSEE2

I am willing to believe that yes, our souls are immortal and can reach places that even we cannot. But I believe that now, we’re simply in a setback from our true potential in terms of space travel. I think that it’s most certainly possible that we can build functioning stations on the moon, make trips to Mars, and so on, it’s all a matter of finding the right developments, which I don’t think are entirely impossible, I just feel that we are having setbacks right now, due to various issues on Earth that are holding us back. But I do feel, that there can be greater leaps made in the future to come.


33 posted on 09/22/2011 7:26:49 PM PDT by Morpheus2009
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To: danielmryan
a finding that could overturn one of Einstein's fundamental laws of the universe.

A court even higher than the Supremes?

34 posted on 09/22/2011 7:27:39 PM PDT by C210N (0bama, Making the US safe for Global Marxism)
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To: tumblindice

Thank you for the fond memories. Now that song will be reverberating through my head all night.

Isn’t human memory an amazing thing. I haven’t seen that cartoon since I was a kid, yet I know the song by heart.


35 posted on 09/22/2011 7:27:58 PM PDT by UCANSEE2 (Lame and ill-informed post)
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To: danielmryan

All my science fiction story dreams come true.

If true.


36 posted on 09/22/2011 7:30:40 PM PDT by P.O.E. (Pray for America)
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To: SunTzuWu

Photons have no mass either, and are of course restrained by light speed.


37 posted on 09/22/2011 7:33:09 PM PDT by Moose Burger
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To: Morpheus2009
I just feel that we are having setbacks right now, due to various issues on Earth that are holding us back.

If there are other 'similar' intelligent life forms on other 'habitable' planets, then maybe the setbacks are even part of God's plan.

Maybe we just aren't ready to encounter the other 'rooms' in God's house.

For the most part, the humans on this planet still act like spoiled children who hit other children for playing with their toys.

38 posted on 09/22/2011 7:33:17 PM PDT by UCANSEE2 (Lame and ill-informed post)
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To: UCANSEE2

I’ve always wondered if that’s how angels traversed vast distances and time, i.e., by exploiting some quantum vector.


39 posted on 09/22/2011 7:33:33 PM PDT by P.O.E. (Pray for America)
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To: LibWhacker
Glad to!
40 posted on 09/22/2011 7:33:53 PM PDT by danielmryan
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To: danielmryan

It’s either measurement error or we’ll need quantum correction to general relativity (but everyone was expecting to need quantum corrections to GR anyway).

And still no Higgs boson . . .


41 posted on 09/22/2011 7:34:05 PM PDT by The_Reader_David (And when they behead your own people in the wars which are to come, then you will know. . .)
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To: UCANSEE2

I knew those proton pills weren’t all that. ;^)
Roger the Pill-popper.


42 posted on 09/22/2011 7:35:04 PM PDT by tumblindice (.)
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To: Moose Burger
Photons have no mass either, and are of course restrained by light speed.

Only the ones you have seen.

43 posted on 09/22/2011 7:35:30 PM PDT by UCANSEE2 (Lame and ill-informed post)
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To: SunkenCiv
I blush...
44 posted on 09/22/2011 7:36:40 PM PDT by danielmryan
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To: P.O.E.
I’ve always wondered if that’s how angels traversed vast distances and time, i.e., by exploiting some quantum vector.

Maybe angels have no mass.

45 posted on 09/22/2011 7:37:16 PM PDT by UCANSEE2 (Lame and ill-informed post)
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To: UCANSEE2
Most everything around you was a thought in someone’s mind, and eventually they made it ‘real’.

Not so fast! Serendipity. A lot of stuff was invented purely by accident, while the creators were unsuccessfully trying to create the stuff of their dreams. Post-it notes, as I recall came about from failed attempts to market a strong reusable glue. Years later a colleague accidentally stumbled across a use while gluing a bookmark in his hymnbook. Things that make you go "hymn..."

46 posted on 09/22/2011 7:37:57 PM PDT by roadcat
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To: UCANSEE2

Well, yeah, *rest* mass; on the other side, neutrinos aren’t either fully massless for every definition of mass - gotta check that, I don’t have the exact figures right here.


47 posted on 09/22/2011 7:40:51 PM PDT by Moose Burger
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To: Morpheus2009

See “Cherenkov Radiation”. High speed particles regularly enter the earths atmosphere at superluminal speeds. That is, they exceed the speed of light in that particular medium. This experiment seems to show superluminal speeds in a vacuum. Bad boys, breaking the law.. Would be a huge finding if duplicated, although I suspect an explanation will be found that does not upset Einstein.


48 posted on 09/22/2011 7:41:14 PM PDT by Paradox (Democrats on Obama, They can't deny him, He is them.)
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To: roadcat
A lot of stuff was invented purely by accident,

That's covered under the 'Sh*t Happens' clause. Still, without the 'mind' of man attempting to 'create', post-it notes would never have been a reality.

49 posted on 09/22/2011 7:45:06 PM PDT by UCANSEE2 (Lame and ill-informed post)
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To: roadcat

P.S. Mostly it is due to the fact that we are ‘imperfect’ creators, and only GOD is a PERFECT CREATOR.


50 posted on 09/22/2011 7:46:11 PM PDT by UCANSEE2 (Lame and ill-informed post)
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