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Mark Steyn scolds Perry on illegal immigration: 'Cheap racism demagoguery'
Daily Caller ^ | September 23, 2011 | Jeff Poor

Posted on 09/23/2011 11:11:24 AM PDT by Rufus2007

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To: RitaOK

I expect democrats to hate me. I expect them to despise me and call me names.

I do NOT expect that from a Republican candidate who wants my vote. In fact, I won’t tolerate that attitude from a Republican who wants my vote.

In a debate with Obama, Perry would pull a Kemp and thank Obama for understanding that Perry, unlike the rest of the GOP, isn’t a racist...

9 Oct 1996:

Gore: “I think it’s an extremely valuable service to have a voice within the Republican party who says we ought to be one nation. We ought to cross all of the racial and ethnic and cultural barriers. I think that is a very important message to deliver. And we ought to speak out against these violations of civility when they do occur...I compliment Mr. Kemp for the leadership he has shown in moving us away from that kind of attitude.”

Kemp: “Well, I thank you, Al. I mean that very, very sincerely...”

http://www.debates.org/index.php?page=october-9-1996-debate-transcript

I don’t want another candidate, supposedly on OUR side, calling us all racists.


51 posted on 09/23/2011 11:53:53 AM PDT by Mr Rogers ("they found themselves made strangers in their own country")
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To: Castigar

I stand on my thoughts that all students attendance at taxpayer expense should be costed out on an idividual basis. Students who are USA citizens get benefit of USA taxpayers funding. All students who are not citizens must have either independent funding or a payment voucher from the country of their citizenship. The time has come to cut the flow of USA taxpayers money footing the costs for non-citizens.


52 posted on 09/23/2011 11:54:18 AM PDT by noinfringers3
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To: dennisw

“Perry better snap out of it on immigration”

He’s not going to snap out of it. He’s made it very clear how he feels about illegals.

Either you don’t wish to see it or you prefer to be lied to.


53 posted on 09/23/2011 11:55:05 AM PDT by Smokeyblue
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To: donna
It's curious how Republicans don't seem to realize that this will be the last chance for them to hold office once the illegal aliens start voting in large numbers.

Exactly. If there are 30 million illehgals in America, that's enough to create some 50 congressional districts. They don't even need to vote to create those districts. If they start voting, we're about 20 years away from electing a president for life who wants to be called "General".
54 posted on 09/23/2011 11:55:49 AM PDT by cripplecreek (A vote for Amnesty is a vote for a permanent Democrat majority. ..Choose well.)
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To: Rufus2007

Let’s cut to the chase here, there are a large majority of illegals who are here and don’t give a damn about the United States, they don’t wish to share out culture, our history and they could care less about anything American.

They are here because their own country is corrupt to the point that the people have few freedoms and little or no chance to better themselves especially economically.

No all, but good majority come here to in a sense create a country within a country the ‘United States of Mexico’ one where they can live and thrive in the same history, culture and language of their homeland and yet not under the same corrupted government.

If there was a another country that border them that was just as successful as the United States where they could live and thrive in their own enclaves they would move there just as quick as they move here.

Yes not all are like that, but a good potion are and we can not have people coming into this country who are of a mindset that they merely wish to create ‘colonies’ of their home country within ours. Politicians like Perry, Bush and many other are allowing this colonization to the determent of our country.

History is full of the results where such behavior was allowed and eventually push came to shove and the results were ugly.


55 posted on 09/23/2011 11:57:41 AM PDT by Kartographer (".. we mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes, and our sacred honor.")
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To: Rufus2007

This is the problem that I have with all this uproar about state tuition. One he just came into office when it was voted on. Two he couldn’t have vetoed it if had wanted to because it was fully supported at that time by the congress. Three if its so damn bad and Texans hate it so much why haven’t you moved to repeal it since you now control the house and senate.

As for his comment about being heartless. I don’t agree . I don’t see the point of rewarding people who are breaking the law along with their family’s,but I’ve been called worse


56 posted on 09/23/2011 11:58:37 AM PDT by linn37
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To: Rufus2007
Mark Steyn capsulized the Perry problem succinctly on Friday's Rush Limbaugh show.

Rick Perry is using the Democrat's emotionalism approach as a response to criticism of his granting the children of illegal immigrants much lower, in-state college tuition rates. The same tuition rates given a Texas citizen, which is an insult to anyone who is a legal citizen of Texas and the United States. Perry implies that racism is the motivating factor for anyone who criticizes his stand on that issue as well his misguided opposition to a secure fence on our border with Mexico indicating that he is far too liberal on the illegal immigration problem, much like his predecessor in the Texas Governors office, George W. Bush. Perry choosing to use liberal tactics to defend his positions on illegal immigration and it's ancillary complications and challenges is unfortunate for him.

I was never a fan of Governor Perry but wanted to learn where he stood on some of the major issues. Now I know. I'll definitely look elsewhere should the person I want to support - Sarah Palin - decide not to run. Her stand on illegal immigration is the opposite of what Rick Perry advocates and far closer to the views of most conservatives, including this one. For that matter, Michele Bachmann's positions on immigration are close to those of Sarah Palin. So, I (and others) may end up supporting Bachmann if Palin declines to run. We'll see. One thing for sure, I won't be supporting Rick Perry - and that decision will be echoed by many conservatives tired of western governors running for president that go all gooey and play the emotionalism card when illegal immigration is the issue. That problem has to be addressed and Governor Perry's feel-good, emotional approach isn't the solution.

57 posted on 09/23/2011 12:03:04 PM PDT by Jim Scott ( "Game On!" - Sarah Palin)
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To: Lazlo in PA
'I have a feeling that she is going to look wooden, rehearsed and out of sorts'.

Really? Gov Palin may have some unforeseen problems down the road but I think you can put your mind at ease about her debate and presentation skills. Her biggest asset is her willingness to tell the truth about Obama without fear.

58 posted on 09/23/2011 12:03:27 PM PDT by JPG (Palin '12)
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To: Grunthor
I am not sure yet who I will support in these primaries but I now know who I will NOT support.

Very well said.

59 posted on 09/23/2011 12:04:25 PM PDT by Rum Tum Tugger
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To: org.whodat
Actually he is more to the left of Jorge on illegals ....

Thank you for stating the overwhelmingly glaringly obvious comparison. Perry is certainly to the left of G.W., the 'Compassionate Conservative' President, way left whereas G.W. was already left of center on the issue and the nation as a whole.

60 posted on 09/23/2011 12:06:42 PM PDT by Ron H. (Loving my Deering Goodtime 2 Classic 5-stringer)
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To: RitaOK
Poor you. All those names? Poor you. How’s do you function in political warfare, with all those delicate sensibilities? You, sir, have left your fox hole.

Haven't you heard the old adage: "It's better to keep your hands off your keyboard and be thought a fool than to actually type a post and remove all doubt?"

61 posted on 09/23/2011 12:06:42 PM PDT by Rum Tum Tugger
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To: Grunthor

Lindsey called us “bigots” and that he was going to tell us to “shut up”


62 posted on 09/23/2011 12:09:24 PM PDT by mommab2003 (Stop these White House Chefs!!!)
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To: RitaOK

Larry Flynt has $1,000,000 with your name on it.


63 posted on 09/23/2011 12:09:39 PM PDT by Rum Tum Tugger
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To: Mr Rogers

>>> “ I don’t want another candidate, supposedly on OUR side, calling us all racists. “ <<<

You will never get it until we lose entirely, or put up Romney. Wait until you figure out after the loss that the Hispanic vote, not the illegal vote, is who we needed to defeat Obama. Not pandering but Texas truth of the matter.
There are plenty of illegals in Texas brought here through no fault of their own. They are now in a vice because of the drug and gun running cartels, and the Mexican mob, who have made it impossible for any charity to be shown whatsoever to these Texas kids trying for citizenship. These highminded Christian conservatives have dumped them over wholesale. Perry knows who it is that needs to be annihilated, and who to give a hand to and the difference between them. There is truth to consider in the difference and Perry is guilty of speaking it.


64 posted on 09/23/2011 12:11:56 PM PDT by RitaOK (TEXAS. It's EXHIBIT A for Rick. Perry/Rubio '12)
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To: Kartographer

“Let’s cut to the chase here, there are a large majority of illegals who are here and don’t give a damn about the United States, they don’t wish to share out culture, our history and they could care less about anything American.

They are here because their own country is corrupt to the point that the people have few freedoms and little or no chance to better themselves especially economically.

No all, but good majority come here to in a sense create a country within a country the ‘United States of Mexico’ one where they can live and thrive in the same history, culture and language of their homeland and yet not under the same corrupted government.”

Kart, you and I have had our differences, but the above, plus the rest of your post, is stellar. Very, very well said.


65 posted on 09/23/2011 12:15:19 PM PDT by Fantasywriter
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To: Rufus2007
Perry's use of "heartless" at last night's debate, and his comment about persecuting people "because of the sound of their last names" in the previous debate is classic democrat race card play.
66 posted on 09/23/2011 12:18:39 PM PDT by Sans-Culotte ( Pray for Obama- Psalm 109:8)
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To: Rufus2007; reaganaut

What annoys/disgusts/tires/peeves me is the utter laziness of the news media. Perry versus Romney is a MODERATE versus a LIBERAL. The “newspersons” reporting call them both conservatives because they are Republicans.

The DEMOCRATS are the one-wing party, but Manhattan and Malibu just won’t see it.


68 posted on 09/23/2011 12:20:15 PM PDT by mrreaganaut (Coolidge for President!)
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To: JPG

It has nothing to do with telling the truth and message. It has to do with practice in debates. So far since she left office, she has been in a bubble of friendly interviews on FOX and speeches at Tea Party events. Going from that to a hostile stage with everyone gunning for you in front of the nation is different. Plus you know if another network other than FOX does the debate, they will be gunning for her rapid fire.

She doesn’t have too many debates under her belt. A three way in an AK general 5 years ago and a one on one with Biden 3 years ago. Practice makes perfect. We can see how well it has honed even some of the professional/career debaters in the GOP like Mittens. He sound better, speech wise, than he did 6 debates ago.


69 posted on 09/23/2011 12:20:36 PM PDT by Lazlo in PA (Now living in a newly minted Red State.)
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To: RitaOK

“the loss that the Hispanic vote” (sic)

http://pewresearch.org/pubs/1024/exit-poll-analysis-hispanics

1. Let’s put this to bed: You can’t lose something you never had;
2. What’s a `Hispanic’? Is that someone from Hispaniola?; and,
3. On the subject of going to bed, were in Amarillo about 1990? I knocked boots with a cocktail waitress named `Rita’ there.


70 posted on 09/23/2011 12:21:24 PM PDT by tumblindice (`It's spinach and I say to hell with it.' Popeye)
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To: ransacked

Yes I was listening to Mark Steyn today also and he’s absolutely right about Perry. Perry is committing suicide with this immigration stance on instate tuition for the illegals. Callng the rest of us heartless was not a smooth move either.


71 posted on 09/23/2011 12:27:28 PM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: RitaOK
Are you a sister to RitaX ??
72 posted on 09/23/2011 12:27:35 PM PDT by org.whodat (so Perry's purchase price starts at $5001.00: and $29,000 , was a sell.)
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To: tumblindice

>>> “ 3. On the subject of going to bed, were in Amarillo about 1990? I knocked boots with a cocktail waitress named `Rita’ there. “ <<<

Between your tumblin’ and Rum Tum’s tuggin’ you two must be sharing the same dumpster. Get lost.


73 posted on 09/23/2011 12:28:52 PM PDT by RitaOK (TEXAS. It's EXHIBIT A for Rick. Perry/Rubio '12)
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To: Fantasywriter

‘Differences’? surely not! ;-)

You know what else I find interesting on this subject is the hypocrisy of many whole tolerate this behavior of non-assimilation by Mexican Nationals, but get their rall against the same behavior by Muslims. Maybe they just don’t have a heart. :-)


74 posted on 09/23/2011 12:29:37 PM PDT by Kartographer (".. we mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes, and our sacred honor.")
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To: mommab2003

And I wouldn’t vote for that jackass either.


75 posted on 09/23/2011 12:33:09 PM PDT by Grunthor (Rick Perry; George W. Bush' retarded cousin.)
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To: linn37

Here is the problem with your expliantion it seems everything that been Good for Texas is because of Perry’s strong leadership and everything that is bad Perry couldn’t do anything about, because we don’t understand that the Govenor in Texas is a weak position because of its constitution. So which is it?


76 posted on 09/23/2011 12:34:18 PM PDT by Kartographer (".. we mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes, and our sacred honor.")
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To: cripplecreek

“Exactly. If there are 30 million illehgals in America, that’s enough to create some 50 congressional districts. They don’t even need to vote to create those districts. If they start voting, we’re about 20 years away from electing a president for life who wants to be called “General”. “

Hammer meet nail. Time for another operation wetback.


77 posted on 09/23/2011 12:36:03 PM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: org.whodat

>>> “ Are you a sister to RitaX ?? “ <<<

“Org”. Great handle. Are you sandwiched in the dumpster too, between handle tumblin’ and handle tuggin’? Get lost, pup.


78 posted on 09/23/2011 12:37:40 PM PDT by RitaOK (TEXAS. It's EXHIBIT A for Rick. Perry/Rubio '12)
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To: RitaOK
"Wait until you figure out after the loss that the Hispanic vote"

Sell it somewhere else because I ain't buying it. And as PROOF I give you Govenors Jan Brewer and Governor Susana Martinez.
79 posted on 09/23/2011 12:41:32 PM PDT by Kartographer (".. we mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes, and our sacred honor.")
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To: Kartographer

“You know what else I find interesting on this subject is the hypocrisy of many whole tolerate this behavior of non-assimilation by Mexican Nationals, but get their rall against the same behavior by Muslims. Maybe they just don’t have a heart.”

Another great point. You’re just on fire today, Kart. We did not lose, permanently, CA to the Muslims. But it is lost. Unless we want to lose one state after another until the USA as we know it is gone, we need some border sanity/protection. Perry isn’t the guy to do it, as he has been at great pains to point out. ;)


80 posted on 09/23/2011 12:43:56 PM PDT by Fantasywriter
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To: Sans-Culotte

The ‘Dims’ have found the prefect replacement candidate for ‘Zero’ and his name is Rick Perry.


81 posted on 09/23/2011 12:45:26 PM PDT by Kartographer (".. we mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes, and our sacred honor.")
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To: Fantasywriter

Glad you got the point as I made a boat load of error when I fired it off! ;-)

“You know what else I find interesting on this subject is the hypocrisy of many who tolerate this behavior of non-assimilation by Mexican Nationals, but get riled-up against the same behavior by Muslims. Maybe they just don’t have a heart.”

OH well! LOL


82 posted on 09/23/2011 12:51:26 PM PDT by Kartographer (".. we mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes, and our sacred honor.")
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To: Castigar
The real topic here is the illegal children of illegals. Not the kids who were born here.
83 posted on 09/23/2011 12:53:54 PM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Happiness)
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To: Castigar
The real topic here is the illegal children of illegals. Not the kids who were born here.
84 posted on 09/23/2011 12:56:19 PM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Happiness)
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To: Castigar
The real topic here is the illegal children of illegals. Not the kids who were born here.
85 posted on 09/23/2011 12:56:29 PM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Happiness)
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To: linn37

RINO’s control the state Senate and the Dem-RINO alliance gave us leftist Speaker Joe Straus in the House.


86 posted on 09/23/2011 1:01:16 PM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Happiness)
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To: DesScorp
But no way do I support a closet amnesty supporter

You're wrong on this, Perry is NOT a closet amnesty supporter.

He is an OPEN amnesty supporter.

Rick Perry: "I support a guest worker program that takes undocumented workers off the black market and legitimizes their economic contributions without providing them citizenship status."

If you take the illegals here now, wave a magic wand over their heads and give them permanent legal right to live here as "guest workers" that IS amnesty. Perry is playing dumb word games when he claims it is not.

87 posted on 09/23/2011 1:02:11 PM PDT by Meet the New Boss (Obama has created more jobs in soup kitchens than anyone since Jimmy Carter)
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To: RitaOK
Are you ?// you post just like ritaX talked.
88 posted on 09/23/2011 1:02:40 PM PDT by org.whodat (so Perry's purchase price starts at $5001.00: and $29,000 , was a sell.)
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To: RitaOK

“Wait until you figure out after the loss that the Hispanic vote, not the illegal vote, is who we needed to defeat Obama. Not pandering but Texas truth of the matter.”

Don’t know about “Texas truth”, but in most places, Hispanics vote economics, not immigration.

Perry got 38% of the Hispanic vote, but that source also gave Brewer 26% and GOP candidates 38%...so Perry only matched the average GOP congressional candidate.

http://www.commentarymagazine.com/2010/11/28/republicans-and-the-hispanic-vote/

Also

http://pewhispanic.org/reports/report.php?ReportID=130

The latter gave Amnesty McCain 31% of the Hispanic vote in 2008.

Pew says: “Even so, the new survey shows that immigration does not rank as a top voting issue for Hispanics. Rather, they rank education, jobs and health care as their top three issues of concern for this year’s congressional campaign.”

We won’t win the Hispanic vote by pandering. All that will accomplish is the GOP LOSING the conservative white vote. When Perry calls me a racist for opposing in state tuition for illegals, and says I lack a heart, he is spitting in my face. My wife was born and raised in the Philippines, and two of the kids I adopted were from the Philippines, so I don’t think I have some hangup about brown skin.

But my wife and kids were required to follow the rules for immigration. I filed hundreds of pages with the INS, and paid plenty in fees. My wife & kids didn’t just walk across the border and get citizenship. I also had to sign to provide full financial support to them. No welfare, food stamps, or free medical care for them. I paid their bills, just like most families do for their members.

“the Mexican mob, who have made it impossible for any charity to be shown whatsoever to these Texas kids trying for citizenship. These highminded Christian conservatives have dumped them over wholesale.”

Hmmm...Rita, I’m a Christian. In addition to my taxes, which already support a lot of illegal immigrants, I support poor here and in other countries thru charitable giving. Yet I oppose ILLEGAL immigration.

So get off your “We’re Hispanic, and you have to kiss our butts!” high horse and deal with the fact that illegal immigrants form Mexico should be treated like illegals from the Philippines or China. No one here owes Mexicans the square root of squat! Mexicans are not ENTITLED to US citizenship!


89 posted on 09/23/2011 1:02:48 PM PDT by Mr Rogers ("they found themselves made strangers in their own country")
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To: RitaOK

Wow, mocking fellow conservatives because they disagree with you... You really do like Perry don’t you? You are already imitating him.


90 posted on 09/23/2011 1:03:23 PM PDT by TalonDJ
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To: linn37

Actually there is a bill in the TX legislature now to repeal the illegal college deal. Many of us who live here are pushing it.


91 posted on 09/23/2011 1:04:45 PM PDT by Hattie
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To: TalonDJ

Since this particular thread has gone over to the dark side and the Moderators are on snooze, I think I’ll leave you all to yourselves. Showers up. Buh, bye.


92 posted on 09/23/2011 1:06:50 PM PDT by RitaOK (TEXAS. It's EXHIBIT A for Rick. Perry/Rubio '12)
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To: Kartographer

I thought the point was brilliant/on target however it was phrased. The nature and foundation of the US is rapidly changing, and open borders are one of the key reasons. If we miss our narrowing window of opportunity, the trend, a la CA, will be irreversible.

In a very real sense, Perry did us all a big favor last night. He tipped his hand. If he were just a little more aware of the toxicity of liberal talking points, he could easily have avoided that pitfall and kept his true colors under wraps. At least now we know who he is. Those who support him here on out do so with open eyes, and in overt favor of open borders/and an illegal invasion. Let us hope a more national-security conscious candidate wins the day.


93 posted on 09/23/2011 1:06:50 PM PDT by Fantasywriter
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To: Castigar

“I fear that if we lose Texas we will never win another election and Perry’s approach WILL cause us to eventually lose Texas!”

Perry will have nothing to do with conservatives “losing Texas”.

What WILL have something to do with that, is “demographics”.

And the demographics of Texas are changing.
Moreso, they are changing rapidly.

Before too long, Texas will no longer be a majority-white state. Like California and New Mexico before it, it will become a “minority-majority” state, with Hispanics comprising a plurality — eventually to become the majority — of its inhabitants. (Aside: I can’t say a majority of “citizens” because many of the majority “inhabitants” will be illegal.

And it doesn’t matter whether there’s an amnesty or not. Those illegals who remain and propagate here will “self-legalize” in about 20 years, through their progeny, because each and every child born to an illegal residing on American soil is by law an “American citizen”, for better or for worse.

Conservatives (and the Republican party) aren’t going to get the majority of the Hispanic votes. Not now. Not ever.

To keep promoting a blind Polyanna-ish notion that they somehow might, is to ignore reality. As a well-know lady writer said some years ago, we may ignore reality, but we cannot escape the _consequences_ of ignoring reality….

Just sayin’...


94 posted on 09/23/2011 1:16:01 PM PDT by Grumplestiltskin (I may look new, but it's only deja vu!)
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To: RitaOK

We´ll see....


95 posted on 09/23/2011 1:19:40 PM PDT by onedoug (If)
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To: Kartographer

He couldn’t do anything about it. It was a bill passed by both the senate and the house.

BTW I’m not sure where you come up with what you posted to me because I never said anything about his leadership one way or the other.


96 posted on 09/23/2011 1:20:33 PM PDT by linn37
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To: Kartographer

“No all, but good majority come here to in a sense create a country within a country the ‘United States of Mexico’ one where they can live and thrive in the same history, culture and language of their homeland and yet not under the same corrupted government.”

Um, your name (United States of Mexico) is a little behind the times.

Can you say, “Atzlan”?

I knew you could!

Remember when folks were laughing and jeering at that very concept?

Put Atzlan onto your map... if you don’t, it may be appearing there soon, all by itself!

Just sayin’...


97 posted on 09/23/2011 1:23:16 PM PDT by Grumplestiltskin (I may look new, but it's only deja vu!)
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To: Mr Rogers
Perry got 38% of the Hispanic vote

These guys like Perry, Bush and McCain are like the businessman who was losing $1 on each sale.

When asked how his business was going to survive, he said "I plan to make it up in volume!"

98 posted on 09/23/2011 1:32:00 PM PDT by Meet the New Boss (Obama has created more jobs in soup kitchens than anyone since Jimmy Carter)
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To: Rufus2007

Perry was on Hannity this afternoon, and he was saying that the illegal children meet the requirements for in-state tuition based on texas law if they graduate from a texas high school and lived in the state for a minimum for three years. I guess my next HEARTLESS question is why are these illegal children going to Texas highschool on the tax payer dime, and middleschools on the tax payer dime? I AM SICK OF IT!!!! GET RID OF THEM, dont let them in our school systems!!!!!!! Mexico has schools, they can attend those!!!


100 posted on 09/23/2011 1:54:30 PM PDT by castlegreyskull
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