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Perry on shaky ground? Doubts among some in GOP
San Diego Union-Tribune (AP) ^ | 9/23/2011 | AP

Posted on 09/23/2011 4:37:23 PM PDT by South40

EXETER, N.H. — Rick Perry is struggling.

Republicans in early voting states, once excited about the Texas governor's presidential bid, are openly questioning the strength of his candidacy. High expectations have been met by the sudden national scrutiny that comes with the front-runner bull's-eye.

Perry is leading national polls, but he is also facing intensifying criticism from the right and left. Some Republicans in Iowa and New Hampshire are expressing doubts, especially after debates in which rivals raised questions about his record on immigration, public health and Social Security.

One national immigration group says Perry is finished. Conservatives are slamming his support of education benefits for illegal immigrants.

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1 posted on 09/23/2011 4:37:25 PM PDT by South40
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To: South40

His stance on immigration is his biggest problem. Texas governors have always pandered to Mexico.


2 posted on 09/23/2011 4:39:51 PM PDT by unkus (Silence Is Consent)
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To: South40

I left the Republican party when Dubya took his stand over illegals.

I sure won’t support or vote for warmed over Dubya.

Next!


3 posted on 09/23/2011 4:40:16 PM PDT by surely_you_jest
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To: South40

Many here early on tried to warn that Perry had feet of clay.


4 posted on 09/23/2011 4:43:43 PM PDT by AHerald ("Do not fear, only believe." - Mark 5:36)
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To: surely_you_jest

“I sure won’t support or vote for warmed over Dubya.”

Me too. I don’t like it when people insult me and call me names like heartless and racist. Maybe Perry really is a dumb ass.


5 posted on 09/23/2011 4:43:54 PM PDT by forgotten man (forgotten man)
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To: surely_you_jest
Next!

Mitt Romney at your service.

6 posted on 09/23/2011 4:44:13 PM PDT by comebacknewt (Newt (sigh) what could have been . . .)
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To: South40

Not knowing Perry from Adam, I gave him 3 debates now to introduce himself to me and show me what he’s got. Conclusion – he has Nothing. He totally comes across as a buffoon, and the least prepared candidate on the stage. Even though he knew what questions were going to be targeted at him, his answers were horrible.

How he handled the in-state tuition question was shameless. It sounded like advice taken from the book, Rules for Radicals. “When under attack accuse the attacker of something more outlandish and indefensible (even if not true), taking the spotlight off you.” Accusing opponents of his policy as being heartless for not wanting children to have an education is just the sort of outlandish accusation that would make Saul Alinsky and Obama proud.


7 posted on 09/23/2011 4:45:46 PM PDT by NavyCanDo
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To: South40

Well, it looks like conservatives will get their wish and Perry is getting knocked out of the lead. Lots of help from the media, running around the country asking “Conservatives” how they felt about Perry’s awful statements and running stories 24/7 on Republican’s disappointment in Perry.

So Romney will be our pick now. But at least he’s against illegals. Isn’t he?


8 posted on 09/23/2011 4:47:23 PM PDT by Kenny
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To: NavyCanDo

Accusing opponents of his policy as being heartless for not wanting children to have an education is just the sort of outlandish accusation that would make Saul Alinsky and Obama proud.


“Progressive” crapola to the max.


9 posted on 09/23/2011 4:49:10 PM PDT by unkus (Silence Is Consent)
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To: Kenny

“So Romney will be our pick now.”

As I stated on another thread, the FReepers here against Perry will get their wish annd Perry will falter, Palin will not enter the race after the big tease, and they will eventually end up with Romney as their candidate. As it happens I will be laughing my ass off as the law of unintended consequences slams them....


10 posted on 09/23/2011 4:51:42 PM PDT by MissouriConservative (Every election is a sort of advance auction sale of stolen goods. - H. L Mencken)
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To: surely_you_jest
I get the impression that Perry will do what he wants, to hell with everyone.
Instead of doing whats right constitutionally.
11 posted on 09/23/2011 4:52:43 PM PDT by MaxMax
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To: unkus

Let’s be blunt. Gov. Perry is struggling because he is not of a superior intellect. He does not have a grasp of the issues and that’s why he cannot articulate them with ease. This isn’t the “George Bush is dumb” argument. Pres. Bush is of a high intellect, but does not possess great oratorical skills. That is hardly a litmus test for intelligence.

Gov. Perry does not have IT. Pres. Obama doesn’t have IT either; the ability to recall and articulate information without consistently grasping for thoughts. There is a big difference between grasping for thoughts and grasping for words, which is what Pres. Bush does.

I was a supporter of Thad McCotter. He has IT. Newt Gingrich has it. Unfortunately, Mitt Romney has IT, or at least he’s close. IMO, Gov. Perry will not stand up to the test. He’ll get caught by the media at every turn. The media will make excuses for an Obama or a Biden, but not a Republican Governor from Texas. Sorry.


12 posted on 09/23/2011 4:53:31 PM PDT by cumbo78
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To: AHerald
Many here early on tried to warn that Perry had feet of clay.

I was one of those who, early on, tried to tell people that Perry isn't the great conservative hope that some thought he was. I was shouted down for doing so.

13 posted on 09/23/2011 4:56:30 PM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: South40

I thought Perry would be my candidate, but I’m not sure now. Unfortunately, most of the rest of the hopefuls don’t wow me either. I like Herman Cain, but he has a snowball’s chance in hell. It just doesn’t.look good for our side if Perry or Romney are the candidate. We are in serious trouble.


14 posted on 09/23/2011 4:57:26 PM PDT by fatnotlazy
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To: South40

...his US/MEX health plan opened my eyes...basically it would’ve have become US/MEX,NIG,HONDOU,GUAT, health plan with US taxpayers footing the bill.


15 posted on 09/23/2011 5:09:57 PM PDT by Doogle ((USAF.68-73..8th TFW Ubon Thailand..never store a threat you should have eliminated))
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To: Kenny
So Romney will be our pick now.

Really? Do you have any idea who the frontrunner was at this time 4 years ago? Here's a hint -- it wasn't eventual nominee John McCain as he was in third place.

And it wasn’t second place finisher Mike Huckabee as he was second to last.

Rudy Giuliani was the frontrunner on September 23, 2008. Did you say, “So Giuliani will be our pick now” back then?

You have no idea who "our pick" will be -- no one does. Or are you clairvoyant?

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/2012_2008_gop_presidential_race_4_years_ago.html

16 posted on 09/23/2011 5:13:08 PM PDT by South40 (Rick Perry = The Other McCain)
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To: Kenny

Are you saying that Perry is only preferable to Romney? That’s rather sad.


17 posted on 09/23/2011 5:16:45 PM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: unkus; org.whodat; cripplecreek; TADSLOS; BobL; raybbr; truthfreedom; CowboyJay; Sea Parrot; ...
Perry's not just pro-ILLEGAL alien, though he certainly is. But he goes one further and criticizes those who do not agree with him.

No thanks.

18 posted on 09/23/2011 5:16:57 PM PDT by South40 (Rick Perry = The Other McCain)
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To: Windflier
I was one of those who, early on, tried to tell people that Perry isn't the great conservative hope that some thought he was.

Looks like its turning out that way. Good thing we have Romney to fall back on.

19 posted on 09/23/2011 5:17:37 PM PDT by TonyInOhio
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To: South40

I guess it depends on who’s doing the doubting. If it’s Romney supporters, they can stick it somewhere. All I ask for is an intelligent executive with a spine who isn’t apologetic about his conservatism, isn’t a McCain wannabe or a “moderate alternative”, and is serious about reforms.


20 posted on 09/23/2011 5:18:45 PM PDT by yup2394871293
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To: surely_you_jest
I left the Republican party when Dubya took his stand over illegals.

I left before that but I did leave. And that was after 30+ years as an activist in the Republican Party.

No more liberal/moderate/compassionate conservatives.

21 posted on 09/23/2011 5:19:01 PM PDT by South40 (Rick Perry = The Other McCain)
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To: forgotten man
Maybe Perry really is a dumb ass.

Dumbass?

You decide.

22 posted on 09/23/2011 5:20:54 PM PDT by South40 (Rick Perry = The Other McCain)
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To: AHerald

“Many here early on tried to warn that Perry had feet of clay”
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Yes they did. I was one of them. This last Texas legislative session did it for me on Perry.

His “slow walking” some of the better anti illegal immigration bills was infuriating.

Jan Brewer is carrying Perry’s short one’s around in her purse. She borrowed them a while back when Arizona passed SB1070.

Perry needs them back.


23 posted on 09/23/2011 5:21:10 PM PDT by NeverForgetBataan (To the German Commander: ..........................NUTS !)
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To: NavyCanDo
Conclusion – he has Nothing. He totally comes across as a buffoon, and the least prepared candidate on the stage.

Buffoon? You decide.

24 posted on 09/23/2011 5:23:26 PM PDT by South40 (Rick Perry = The Other McCain)
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To: South40

“Perry on shaky ground?”

Try quicksand.

And sinking fast.


25 posted on 09/23/2011 5:24:36 PM PDT by SharpRightTurn
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To: Kenny
But at least he’s against illegals. Isn’t he?

This week.

26 posted on 09/23/2011 5:24:42 PM PDT by Hugin ("A man'll usually tell you his bad intentions if you listen andY let yourself hear it"--- Open Range)
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To: TonyInOhio
Good thing we have Romney to fall back on.

So, by your logic, we ought to close our eyes to all of Rick Perry's disqualifiers, and accept him the same way the Dems accepted Obama?

That's not conservative thinking. It's just nuts.

27 posted on 09/23/2011 5:28:05 PM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: AHerald
Many here early on tried to warn that Perry had feet of clay.

It is not enough to find fault with Rick Perry. One must choose someone else to support instead. That remains the hard part.

28 posted on 09/23/2011 5:29:29 PM PDT by rogue yam
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To: South40

You don’t have to be clairvoyant to see what the media & establishment Repubicans are pushing. They’ve all but destroyed Perry on one issue, one issue with all the crap this country is going through. Not the right to bear arms, abortion, or freedom of religion. Not low taxes, less regulation, or job creation. No, they’ve pretty much knocked him out of the race with illegal immigration.

And who was the media and establishment GOP pushing 4 years ago? Wasn’t Rudy or Huckabee. It was a broken-down RINO that none of us wanted to support. If it hadn’t been for Sarah, he’d had a miserable turnout.

Nope, you don’t have to be clairvoyant, just observant. The media still wants a liberal and the establishment GOP still want a “moderate”. So Romney or Christie is their win/win and so far they’re doing a good job of manipulating the vote. Just like 2008.


29 posted on 09/23/2011 5:29:56 PM PDT by Kenny
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To: SharpRightTurn
Try quicksand.

And sinking fast.

Better now rather than later as the Republican nominee.

30 posted on 09/23/2011 5:31:42 PM PDT by South40 (Rick Perry = The Other McCain)
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To: unkus

Too many Texas voters with ties to Mexico?


31 posted on 09/23/2011 5:32:49 PM PDT by yup2394871293
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To: Doogle
...basically it would’ve have become US/MEX,NIG,HONDOU,GUAT, health plan with US taxpayers footing the bill.

Not really. He authorized a committee to look into a system where Americans and Mexicans could use their own insurance in each others country. A lot of Mexicans go to Texas legally and do have insurance, and vica versa. But if you go hospital they won't take it. In any case the committee determined that there were too many legal roadblocks, and nothing came of it.

32 posted on 09/23/2011 5:36:52 PM PDT by Hugin ("A man'll usually tell you his bad intentions if you listen andY let yourself hear it"--- Open Range)
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To: Kenny
What destroyed Perry was his own record. So if you're looking to assign blame that's where it belongs. And it wasn't just one issue. His record stinks, I've been saying that for weeks. I've also been saying his popularity would wane once it saw the light of day and that is exactly what happened.

Perry may be liked in his home state of Texas but conservatives in the rest of the country think he stinks.

33 posted on 09/23/2011 5:39:04 PM PDT by South40 (Rick Perry = The Other McCain)
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To: South40

“Better now rather than later as the Republican nominee.”

Exactly.

It’s called vetting, and it’s about time conservatives do it, otherwise the left wing media and establishment GOP will do it for us.


34 posted on 09/23/2011 5:39:11 PM PDT by SharpRightTurn
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To: trisham
Are you saying that Perry is only preferable to Romney? That’s rather sad.

No, I'm saying Perry is preferable to most. The exception is Cain, I really like him; but then I digress. I agree with most of Perry's positions. I don't agree with him on immigration but it's ONE ISSUE.

And I like the things he says when he's not in a debate. Like in LA:

"It saddens me when sometimes my fellow Republicans duck and cover in the face of pressure from the left. Our party cannot be all things to all people. Our opponents on the left are never going to like us, so let's quit trying to curry favor with them!"

35 posted on 09/23/2011 5:39:27 PM PDT by Kenny
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To: Windflier
So, by your logic, we ought to close our eyes to all of Rick Perry's disqualifiers, and accept him the same way the Dems accepted Obama?

No, I was being serious. If Perry flames out, which of the remaining potential nominees can beat Obama? In my mind, only Romney. He will likely win the nomination by default, and he'll probably beat Obama (if he can convince evangelicals that he doesn't belong to a cult). It's too bad, because in some ways, Perry was more conservative, but that's how it works.

36 posted on 09/23/2011 5:39:47 PM PDT by TonyInOhio
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To: cumbo78

Sorry.


You’re right on. You didn’t need the “ Sorry”.


37 posted on 09/23/2011 5:41:32 PM PDT by unkus (Silence Is Consent)
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To: SharpRightTurn
It’s called vetting, and it’s about time conservatives do it, otherwise the left wing media and establishment GOP will do it for us.

I understand that completely. But some believe if everyone doesn't get behind their favorite candidate it's because they want Romney or something worse. I don't understand that reasoning. The election is still nearly 14 months away so we have all the time needed to nominate a real conservative. As I have known for months and as many are just finding out, that description does not apply to Rick Perry.

38 posted on 09/23/2011 5:43:56 PM PDT by South40 (Rick Perry = The Other McCain)
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To: South40
Good Lord! Baffles the mind that there are so many on FR that will still go to the wall for this guy no matter what he says or does. As hard to budge as those who supported Huckabee or Ron Paul in 2008
39 posted on 09/23/2011 5:45:15 PM PDT by NavyCanDo (GO MAMA GRIZZLY!)
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To: Kenny
You don’t have to be clairvoyant to see what the media & establishment Repubicans are pushing. They’ve all but destroyed Perry on one issue, one issue with all the crap this country is going through. Not the right to bear arms, abortion, or freedom of religion. Not low taxes, less regulation, or job creation. No, they’ve pretty much knocked him out of the race with illegal immigration.

And who was the media and establishment GOP pushing 4 years ago? Wasn’t Rudy or Huckabee. It was a broken-down RINO that none of us wanted to support. If it hadn’t been for Sarah, he’d had a miserable turnout.

Nope, you don’t have to be clairvoyant, just observant. The media still wants a liberal and the establishment GOP still want a “moderate”. So Romney or Christie is their win/win and so far they’re doing a good job of manipulating the vote. Just like 2008.

Bravo, you said it well.

40 posted on 09/23/2011 5:47:14 PM PDT by Irish Eyes
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To: yup2394871293

Too many Texas voters with ties to Mexico?


Si, muchos!


41 posted on 09/23/2011 5:48:53 PM PDT by unkus (Silence Is Consent)
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To: South40
Heartless
42 posted on 09/23/2011 5:50:44 PM PDT by EternalVigilance ('Truth is the first object.' -- Thomas Jefferson)
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To: South40

Perry’s not just pro-ILLEGAL alien, though he certainly is. But he goes one further and criticizes those who do not agree with him.


You’re heartless!/s


43 posted on 09/23/2011 5:51:09 PM PDT by unkus (Silence Is Consent)
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To: Kenny

Assuming that the field stays just as it is, with no other additions, I really don’t see a reason to panic that it’s seems to be a choice between Perry and Romney. At this very time in 2008, Huckabee and Fred Thompson where the top two, and nobody seriously thought McCain would be the nominee. And when McCain was the winner, there was a suicide watch on most Freepers – until he chose Palin, which brought a whole new level of excitement not seen before.
If you are going to be a political junkie you got to learn patience and perseverance


44 posted on 09/23/2011 5:58:36 PM PDT by NavyCanDo (GO MAMA GRIZZLY!)
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To: NavyCanDo
Good Lord! Baffles the mind that there are so many on FR that will still go to the wall for this guy no matter what he says or does.

As sad as that is it is the truth. Perry can say or do anything and they will defend him.

45 posted on 09/23/2011 6:04:51 PM PDT by South40 (Rick Perry = The Other McCain)
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To: surely_you_jest

Perry is the new Rudy. Flash in the pan—then gone. I look forward to president Mitt Romney—Not my first choice but better than nothing. Lets hope he names Sarah Palin to the job of Sec. of State.


46 posted on 09/23/2011 6:10:40 PM PDT by Forward the Light Brigade (Into the Jaws of H*ll)
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To: unkus

Look at poor Arizona and New Mexico - one is governed by a heartless honky (Jan Brewer) and the other by a heartless Hispanic (Susana Martinez). And Martinez continues to impress big time.


47 posted on 09/23/2011 6:21:34 PM PDT by bwc2221
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To: unkus

I was being a “compassionate conservative”. LOL


48 posted on 09/23/2011 6:22:37 PM PDT by cumbo78
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To: NeverForgetBataan

Tell me about it.I was driving back and forth to Austin to usher through enforcement bills...arriving in Austin to testimony rooms filled with illegals/translators,false church pastors and separatists. Veterans and Americans were frequently last in line to speak.
I’m not even mad at Perry anymore. I just want him to deal straight like a real man of courage:
PERRY, DO YOU WANT US TO INTEGRATE WITH MEXICO OR DO YOU WANT US TO BE A SEPARATE SOVEREIGN NATION?


49 posted on 09/23/2011 6:29:07 PM PDT by magna carta
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To: Kenny

Perry is part of the establishment. Geeze.


50 posted on 09/23/2011 6:29:18 PM PDT by CSI007 (re)
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