Skip to comments.Perry on shaky ground? Doubts among some in GOP
Posted on 09/23/2011 4:37:23 PM PDT by South40
EXETER, N.H. Rick Perry is struggling.
Republicans in early voting states, once excited about the Texas governor's presidential bid, are openly questioning the strength of his candidacy. High expectations have been met by the sudden national scrutiny that comes with the front-runner bull's-eye.
Perry is leading national polls, but he is also facing intensifying criticism from the right and left. Some Republicans in Iowa and New Hampshire are expressing doubts, especially after debates in which rivals raised questions about his record on immigration, public health and Social Security.
One national immigration group says Perry is finished. Conservatives are slamming his support of education benefits for illegal immigrants.
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His stance on immigration is his biggest problem. Texas governors have always pandered to Mexico.
I left the Republican party when Dubya took his stand over illegals.
I sure won’t support or vote for warmed over Dubya.
Many here early on tried to warn that Perry had feet of clay.
“I sure wont support or vote for warmed over Dubya.”
Me too. I don’t like it when people insult me and call me names like heartless and racist. Maybe Perry really is a dumb ass.
Mitt Romney at your service.
Not knowing Perry from Adam, I gave him 3 debates now to introduce himself to me and show me what hes got. Conclusion he has Nothing. He totally comes across as a buffoon, and the least prepared candidate on the stage. Even though he knew what questions were going to be targeted at him, his answers were horrible.
How he handled the in-state tuition question was shameless. It sounded like advice taken from the book, Rules for Radicals. When under attack accuse the attacker of something more outlandish and indefensible (even if not true), taking the spotlight off you. Accusing opponents of his policy as being heartless for not wanting children to have an education is just the sort of outlandish accusation that would make Saul Alinsky and Obama proud.
Well, it looks like conservatives will get their wish and Perry is getting knocked out of the lead. Lots of help from the media, running around the country asking “Conservatives” how they felt about Perry’s awful statements and running stories 24/7 on Republican’s disappointment in Perry.
So Romney will be our pick now. But at least he’s against illegals. Isn’t he?
Accusing opponents of his policy as being heartless for not wanting children to have an education is just the sort of outlandish accusation that would make Saul Alinsky and Obama proud.
“Progressive” crapola to the max.
“So Romney will be our pick now.”
As I stated on another thread, the FReepers here against Perry will get their wish annd Perry will falter, Palin will not enter the race after the big tease, and they will eventually end up with Romney as their candidate. As it happens I will be laughing my ass off as the law of unintended consequences slams them....
Let’s be blunt. Gov. Perry is struggling because he is not of a superior intellect. He does not have a grasp of the issues and that’s why he cannot articulate them with ease. This isn’t the “George Bush is dumb” argument. Pres. Bush is of a high intellect, but does not possess great oratorical skills. That is hardly a litmus test for intelligence.
Gov. Perry does not have IT. Pres. Obama doesn’t have IT either; the ability to recall and articulate information without consistently grasping for thoughts. There is a big difference between grasping for thoughts and grasping for words, which is what Pres. Bush does.
I was a supporter of Thad McCotter. He has IT. Newt Gingrich has it. Unfortunately, Mitt Romney has IT, or at least he’s close. IMO, Gov. Perry will not stand up to the test. He’ll get caught by the media at every turn. The media will make excuses for an Obama or a Biden, but not a Republican Governor from Texas. Sorry.
I was one of those who, early on, tried to tell people that Perry isn't the great conservative hope that some thought he was. I was shouted down for doing so.
I thought Perry would be my candidate, but I’m not sure now. Unfortunately, most of the rest of the hopefuls don’t wow me either. I like Herman Cain, but he has a snowball’s chance in hell. It just doesn’t.look good for our side if Perry or Romney are the candidate. We are in serious trouble.
...his US/MEX health plan opened my eyes...basically it would’ve have become US/MEX,NIG,HONDOU,GUAT, health plan with US taxpayers footing the bill.
Really? Do you have any idea who the frontrunner was at this time 4 years ago? Here's a hint -- it wasn't eventual nominee John McCain as he was in third place.
And it wasnt second place finisher Mike Huckabee as he was second to last.
Rudy Giuliani was the frontrunner on September 23, 2008. Did you say, So Giuliani will be our pick now back then?
You have no idea who "our pick" will be -- no one does. Or are you clairvoyant?
Are you saying that Perry is only preferable to Romney? That’s rather sad.
Looks like its turning out that way. Good thing we have Romney to fall back on.
I guess it depends on who’s doing the doubting. If it’s Romney supporters, they can stick it somewhere. All I ask for is an intelligent executive with a spine who isn’t apologetic about his conservatism, isn’t a McCain wannabe or a “moderate alternative”, and is serious about reforms.
I left before that but I did leave. And that was after 30+ years as an activist in the Republican Party.
No more liberal/moderate/compassionate conservatives.
“Many here early on tried to warn that Perry had feet of clay”
Yes they did. I was one of them. This last Texas legislative session did it for me on Perry.
His “slow walking” some of the better anti illegal immigration bills was infuriating.
Jan Brewer is carrying Perry’s short one’s around in her purse. She borrowed them a while back when Arizona passed SB1070.
Perry needs them back.
Buffoon? You decide.
“Perry on shaky ground?”
And sinking fast.
So, by your logic, we ought to close our eyes to all of Rick Perry's disqualifiers, and accept him the same way the Dems accepted Obama?
That's not conservative thinking. It's just nuts.
It is not enough to find fault with Rick Perry. One must choose someone else to support instead. That remains the hard part.
You don’t have to be clairvoyant to see what the media & establishment Repubicans are pushing. They’ve all but destroyed Perry on one issue, one issue with all the crap this country is going through. Not the right to bear arms, abortion, or freedom of religion. Not low taxes, less regulation, or job creation. No, they’ve pretty much knocked him out of the race with illegal immigration.
And who was the media and establishment GOP pushing 4 years ago? Wasn’t Rudy or Huckabee. It was a broken-down RINO that none of us wanted to support. If it hadn’t been for Sarah, he’d had a miserable turnout.
Nope, you don’t have to be clairvoyant, just observant. The media still wants a liberal and the establishment GOP still want a “moderate”. So Romney or Christie is their win/win and so far they’re doing a good job of manipulating the vote. Just like 2008.
And sinking fast.
Better now rather than later as the Republican nominee.
Too many Texas voters with ties to Mexico?
Not really. He authorized a committee to look into a system where Americans and Mexicans could use their own insurance in each others country. A lot of Mexicans go to Texas legally and do have insurance, and vica versa. But if you go hospital they won't take it. In any case the committee determined that there were too many legal roadblocks, and nothing came of it.
Perry may be liked in his home state of Texas but conservatives in the rest of the country think he stinks.
“Better now rather than later as the Republican nominee.”
It’s called vetting, and it’s about time conservatives do it, otherwise the left wing media and establishment GOP will do it for us.
No, I'm saying Perry is preferable to most. The exception is Cain, I really like him; but then I digress. I agree with most of Perry's positions. I don't agree with him on immigration but it's ONE ISSUE.
And I like the things he says when he's not in a debate. Like in LA:
"It saddens me when sometimes my fellow Republicans duck and cover in the face of pressure from the left. Our party cannot be all things to all people. Our opponents on the left are never going to like us, so let's quit trying to curry favor with them!"
No, I was being serious. If Perry flames out, which of the remaining potential nominees can beat Obama? In my mind, only Romney. He will likely win the nomination by default, and he'll probably beat Obama (if he can convince evangelicals that he doesn't belong to a cult). It's too bad, because in some ways, Perry was more conservative, but that's how it works.
I understand that completely. But some believe if everyone doesn't get behind their favorite candidate it's because they want Romney or something worse. I don't understand that reasoning. The election is still nearly 14 months away so we have all the time needed to nominate a real conservative. As I have known for months and as many are just finding out, that description does not apply to Rick Perry.
And who was the media and establishment GOP pushing 4 years ago? Wasnt Rudy or Huckabee. It was a broken-down RINO that none of us wanted to support. If it hadnt been for Sarah, hed had a miserable turnout.
Nope, you dont have to be clairvoyant, just observant. The media still wants a liberal and the establishment GOP still want a moderate. So Romney or Christie is their win/win and so far theyre doing a good job of manipulating the vote. Just like 2008.
Bravo, you said it well.
Too many Texas voters with ties to Mexico?
Perry’s not just pro-ILLEGAL alien, though he certainly is. But he goes one further and criticizes those who do not agree with him.
Assuming that the field stays just as it is, with no other additions, I really dont see a reason to panic that its seems to be a choice between Perry and Romney. At this very time in 2008, Huckabee and Fred Thompson where the top two, and nobody seriously thought McCain would be the nominee. And when McCain was the winner, there was a suicide watch on most Freepers until he chose Palin, which brought a whole new level of excitement not seen before.
If you are going to be a political junkie you got to learn patience and perseverance
As sad as that is it is the truth. Perry can say or do anything and they will defend him.
Perry is the new Rudy. Flash in the pan—then gone. I look forward to president Mitt Romney—Not my first choice but better than nothing. Lets hope he names Sarah Palin to the job of Sec. of State.
Look at poor Arizona and New Mexico - one is governed by a heartless honky (Jan Brewer) and the other by a heartless Hispanic (Susana Martinez). And Martinez continues to impress big time.
I was being a “compassionate conservative”. LOL
Tell me about it.I was driving back and forth to Austin to usher through enforcement bills...arriving in Austin to testimony rooms filled with illegals/translators,false church pastors and separatists. Veterans and Americans were frequently last in line to speak.
I’m not even mad at Perry anymore. I just want him to deal straight like a real man of courage:
PERRY, DO YOU WANT US TO INTEGRATE WITH MEXICO OR DO YOU WANT US TO BE A SEPARATE SOVEREIGN NATION?
Perry is part of the establishment. Geeze.