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Editorial: Memo To GOP: The Foe Is Obama, Not Perry (Excellent Point!!!)
IBD Editorials ^ | September 23, 2011 | Staff

Posted on 09/23/2011 4:42:52 PM PDT by Kaslin

Politics: Despite the "gotcha" sniping at Thursday's debate, Republicans need to keep their eyes on the prize. The target for 2012 is not Santorum, Cain, Bachmann, Romney or Perry. It's the current White House occupant.

Texas Gov. Rick Perry must have felt a bit like Gen. Custer at Little Big Horn at the Orlando debate, a made-for-TV contrivance in which those who have a real chance to be president must take pokes and jabs from those who don't.

We appreciate this may be a necessary evil in which front-runners without stamina — the Ed Muskies and Rudy Giulianis, for example — are weeded out.

Still, we must understand that while the goal is the nomination, the prize is the White House. Lost in the brouhaha over tuition for illegal aliens and mandated vaccines is the fact we simply can't afford four more years of President Obama.

Perry has given awkward responses. How can he debate the president, the whispers ask. Sound-bite debates in which you thrust and parry (no pun intended) with eight other candidates, as well as the pundits, are one thing. Comparing your job-creating pro-growth record in a booming state to the record of the arguably worst president in American history is something else.

Those former and nongovernors without a 1,200-mile border with Mexico may criticize, and perhaps justifiably, Perry's embrace of a college tuition break for illegal aliens. We've opposed it too in the past.

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TOPICS: Editorial; Mexico; Politics/Elections; US: Texas
KEYWORDS: aliena; bachmann; gardasil; gingrich; heartless; ibd; immigrantlist; immigration; mexico; michelebachmann; mittromney; obama; obamacare; perry; perry2012; rickperry; romney; romneycare; ronpaul; santorum; texas
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To: shield; Kaslin

Perry ping


101 posted on 09/24/2011 1:39:59 PM PDT by Clairity ("The United States needs to be not so much loved as it needs to be respected." -- VP Dick Cheney)
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To: Kaslin; shield

“Texas Gov. Rick Perry must have felt a bit like Gen. Custer at Little Big Horn at the Orlando debate, a made-for-TV contrivance in which those who have a real chance to be president must take pokes and jabs from those who don’t. “

Excellent points indeed. The candidates who have ZERO chance of either winning the nomination or beating Obama, are doing Obama’s work for him, by trying to make mincemeat of the leading candidate. And those who are cheering the attacks on Perry are doing the same: helping to knock out the only candidate who can win and beat Obama.

Do conservatives want Romney — he is going to get the nomination, if not Perry.


102 posted on 09/24/2011 1:44:57 PM PDT by Clairity ("The United States needs to be not so much loved as it needs to be respected." -- VP Dick Cheney)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife; RoosterRedux; jonrick46; deepbluesea; RockinRight; TexMom7; potlatch; ...
Perry Ping....

IF you'd rather NOT be pinged FReepmail me.

IF you'd like to be added FReepmail me. Thanks.

103 posted on 09/24/2011 1:52:44 PM PDT by shield (Rev 2:9 Woe unto those who say they are Judahites and are not, but are of the syna GOG ue of Satan.)
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To: Clairity

“Do conservatives want Romney — he is going to get the nomination, if not Perry.”

If the next president of the United States is not Sarah Palin, the United States will not survive.

That’s not alarmism, just a recognition that it’s mate in two, and the only course of action is to kick the board over.


104 posted on 09/24/2011 1:53:57 PM PDT by dsc (Any attempt to move a government to the left is a crime against humanity.)
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To: Meet the New Boss
I don’t think this meme being floated

I wish tehre was a way to ban 'meme' from the Freeper lexicon.

105 posted on 09/24/2011 2:02:42 PM PDT by pgkdan (Perry/Cain 2012)
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To: Kaslin

Note to Perrybots. Perry, not the GOP, is making Perry the enemy. Don’t blame everyone else for Perry’s stupidity at the debate.


106 posted on 09/24/2011 2:04:42 PM PDT by MNJohnnie (Giving more money to DC to fix the Debt is like giving free drugs to addicts think it will cure them)
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To: Turtlepower
So, all the other primary candidates should just sit back and give the nomination to Perry? Now is the time to make sure Republicans pick the proper candidate who is battle tested. Once that candidate is nominated, then they can worry about defeating Obama

Sure...after they've spent 6 months or more doing obama's dirty work and giving the dems all the ammo they might need in the general. We don't need a nominee who's been lied about, defamed and stabbed in the back by other republicans going into the general.

Anyone who can't stand on that stage and promote themselves and differentiate themselves from obama is unworthy of consideration. That leaves Newt, Cain and Perry.

107 posted on 09/24/2011 2:06:11 PM PDT by pgkdan (Perry/Cain 2012)
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To: Clairity

Note to Perrybots. Perry, not the GOP, is making Perry the enemy. Don’t blame everyone else for Perry’s stupidity at the debate.


108 posted on 09/24/2011 2:08:16 PM PDT by MNJohnnie (Giving more money to DC to fix the Debt is like giving free drugs to addicts think it will cure them)
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To: bcsco; TexasFreeper2009
You are disgusting.

No he's not. He's absolutely correct! The palinistas and paulistas attack Perry with lies, half truths and innuendo every stinking day. All they care about is that Perry was gaining steam and he's not palin or paul! Period. That's what's disgusting!

109 posted on 09/24/2011 2:10:16 PM PDT by pgkdan (Perry/Cain 2012)
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To: Kahuna
was shocked at Perry’s lame performance last night. I now have eliminated him, MB, RP, and Huntsman. I’m having a difficult time coming to grips with the choices we have at this point.

Oh grow up! We're electing the President of the United States next year...not the president of some lame ass debating society!

110 posted on 09/24/2011 2:11:49 PM PDT by pgkdan (Perry/Cain 2012)
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To: JoeGar
Perry is right about it not working: you can always dig under, punch through, or climb over a fence. What is needed are UAVs and enough troops to respond to incursions.

That's true if you build the stupid corragated metal fences on the cheap that they are using now. Since you can't see through them, they just allow illegals to hide behind them until the BP passes. But if you build them right, they are quite effective. The Israeli fence along the Judea-Samaria border has been just about 100% effective in stopping terrorists from getting across.

I will concede that there may be some places where geography won't allow a fence (big canyons and such), but surely most of it could be.

111 posted on 09/24/2011 2:14:55 PM PDT by Hugin ("A man'll usually tell you his bad intentions if you listen andY let yourself hear it"--- Open Range)
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To: maine-iac7
People went after JFK for his Catholisim, LIEberman got a bit of an anti-Semitic smear, when he ran as VEEP; it IS something nasty that has been done in the past and has less than nothing whatsoever to do with me, or what I think. I was just stating a simple fact.

Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar, as the saying goes. Stop trying to tar me with your own imaginary insults.

112 posted on 09/24/2011 2:29:20 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: bcsco
Oh, you have my full agreement on the "in state tuition" matter. Our Legislature totally blew this issue and even though it was veto proof in the vote, Perry should have either vetoed it or at least made a strong statement in opposition. His handling of the criticism concerning it in the debates has been totally poor and this last "heartless" remark has cost him dearly.

I am not a big R Republican and haven't been for a dozen or more years. I am registered without party affiliation. I consider myself an Constitutional Conservative with some, mind you only a few, libertarian leanings.

Been around FR for a while now and normally I only post very sparingly with those folks that I agree with. I guess I got carried away listening and reading criticisms from folks I "assumed" knew very little of the lay of the land and state politics down here.

I appreciate your measured and polite posts to me and know we have much more in common than we don't.

I do hope the Republicans do get it figured out and nominate the best possible candidate to defeat the current piece of junk in the WH.

113 posted on 09/24/2011 2:49:27 PM PDT by ImpBill ("America ... where are you now?" signed, a little "r" republican!)
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To: Ron H.

Come on down to Cameron County/Brownsville will see what has been built so far. It is a monstrous and costly tribute to the insanity of Washington. Point is that the “wall/fence” has been started, but stopped as Obama cut the funds for it.


114 posted on 09/24/2011 2:58:29 PM PDT by ImpBill ("America ... where are you now?" signed, a little "r" republican!)
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To: ImpBill
I live in Brownsville on the Rio Grande and you should see the wall/fence. It is a very expensive joke that really cedes a chunk of US land into a no mans land. And what many of the folks seem to think is the State of Texas' responsibility.

So you think you know more about the border than these people from MN, IN, IL, etc.

I believe you... but you'll never convince them!

And what many of the folks seem to think is the State of Texas' responsibility.

They don't even understand that!...that it isn't the state's responsibility but the fed's.

115 posted on 09/24/2011 3:04:09 PM PDT by lonestar (It takes a village of idiots to elect a village idiot.)
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To: JoeGar
I wonder if the public picks up on the fact that Bachman, Santorum, and Romney are blowing smoke when they talk about a 1200-mile fence keeping Mexicans out of Texas. Perry is right about it not working: you can always dig under, punch through, or climb over a fence. What is needed are UAVs and enough troops to respond to incursions.
 

The problem is Perry assumes that people understand our border and what we are facing here. He needs to explain it.

First of all, there is a BIG ASS RIVER that runs our border that includes several lakes, if we fence it we are giving up US territorial waters. We have people here that make a living off those waters.

Secondly, a fence wont stop them, these people are running for their lives, not coming here for jobs or "in-state tuition". We have got to end the civil war in Mexico if we want to stop the flood of illegals coming across the border.

Thirdly, these illegals are not going to UT, SMU, UNT, ect, they are going to JR. Colleges where it's $900 a semester and they are saving $151 a semester. I really don't believe there are a lot of people coming from North Dakota to go to Dallas County Community College and if they are the extra $151 is the least of their problems. 

For those who are going to the Universities, why would we not want them to stay here where it's cheaper? That way when they get their degrees and citizenship they will most likely stay in Texas and their taxes will pay us back for their tuition discount. Additionally, there is nothing we can do about them being here, the government wont let us throw them out, they wont let us deny them services and if we try to do anything to them Obama will sue us and Hillary will report us to the UN. Our only choice is to educate them and turn them into tax payers. They are here, there is nothing we can do about it and being renters, they are paying the property taxes that qualifies them for the in-state tuition.

116 posted on 09/24/2011 3:20:37 PM PDT by txroadkill (Ghandi would have smacked 0bama in the head)
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To: ImpBill

As was pointed out by someone else on this thread the concept of a ‘wall’ doesn’t necessarily mean bricks and mortar or steel sheeting per se. And also pointed out by someone else here Perry and company were largely responsible for the failure of what was erected in your neck of the woods. But in any case the invasion must be stopped before we all sink under the burgeoning weight of the illegal invasion.


117 posted on 09/24/2011 4:10:06 PM PDT by Ron H. (Loving my Deering Goodtime 2 Classic 5-stringer)
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To: ImpBill

What about Big Bend, Amistad or Falcon Lakes and mountains.

There are humongous dams, marinas and multi million dollar resorts. Some are over the water.

Americans/Texans canoe, fish, hike and recreation on many parts of the Rio Grande.


118 posted on 09/24/2011 4:16:56 PM PDT by TexMom7
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To: Kaslin

Perry can fill out a suit, its his brain that is missing.


119 posted on 09/24/2011 4:17:51 PM PDT by dforest
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To: comebacknewt

Time to take responsibility.

Perry has ruined himself. Nobody else is to blame.


120 posted on 09/24/2011 4:19:44 PM PDT by dforest
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To: pgkdan

Reread the statement I replied to. Paul and his bots were only a small part of the accusations. It was meant for any FReeper whatsoever who doesn’t bow at Perry’s feet. We were called liberals and liars. I stand behind what I said that FReeper is disgusting.


121 posted on 09/24/2011 4:21:28 PM PDT by bcsco
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To: ImpBill

Thanks for your responses. And yes, I suspect we have a lot in common in our beliefs. America first! Americans first! And that includes all who have been born here or who have immigrated and become Americans...legally. We are one family.


122 posted on 09/24/2011 4:24:26 PM PDT by bcsco
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To: indylindy
Perry can fill out a suit, its his brain that is missing.

You heartless racist!

/Perrybot

123 posted on 09/24/2011 4:27:52 PM PDT by Dagnabitt (Kennedy, McCain, Perry - What's with D students and support for Amnesty?)
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To: Dagnabitt

Perry should apply for this job. Although he may be underqualified.

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=3&sqi=2&ved=0CDoQtwIwAg&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DFaYR5lwzomE&ei=p2d-To6gFcKPsQKr-aAq&usg=AFQjCNEVzmXK5hufDCbGBvva037RXlCDsA


124 posted on 09/24/2011 4:34:07 PM PDT by dforest
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To: lonestar

One can only do what one can only do, eh? I actually play golf on an 18 hole course that is in the “no man’s land”.


125 posted on 09/24/2011 5:05:15 PM PDT by ImpBill ("America ... where are you now?" signed, a little "r" republican!)
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To: lonestar
I think we are finally beyond "It's Bush's fault!"

Gov. Perry can take the heat from now on. It's Perry's fault!

126 posted on 09/24/2011 5:09:08 PM PDT by ImpBill ("America ... where are you now?" signed, a little "r" republican!)
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To: pgkdan

Think that your boy just got his azz kicked in Florida. You need to grow up and smell the coffee. It’s not about debate style.....it’s about giving tuition discounts to illegals among other things. Perry is toast.


127 posted on 09/24/2011 7:00:23 PM PDT by Kahuna
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To: TexasFreeper2009

Good point and thank you for saying what you did.


128 posted on 09/24/2011 9:09:08 PM PDT by Katarina (God bless ElRushbo! Prayers for our troops! I stand with Israel.)
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To: Kaslin

If Perry gets elected the foe will be Perry. He is already showing his true red white and green colors.


129 posted on 09/24/2011 9:12:42 PM PDT by cradle of freedom (Long live the Republic !)
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To: Marty62

Imagine finding dead bodies on your property and maybe wondering if the next one will be you or your loved ones. This is why—though I live far away in the northeast—I am very passionate about stopping illegal immigration and I will not tolerate any double-talking, illegal alien enablers like Rick Perry. Here comes the hook Rick—bye bye.


130 posted on 09/24/2011 9:18:35 PM PDT by cradle of freedom (Long live the Republic !)
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To: rogue yam

Aren’t there other candidates besides Rick and Mitt? It’s so funny how Perry supporters keep using Romney as the boogie man as if you will be stuck with Romney if you do not vote for Perry. I hear it so much that it is begining to sound like talking points. Perry supporters are sounding like cheerleaders. You all have your cheers memorized—rah, rah, sis boom ba— go Perry!


131 posted on 09/24/2011 9:24:42 PM PDT by cradle of freedom (Long live the Republic !)
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To: ImpBill

We know what Obama’s flaws are, now we need to know what the Republicans’ flaws are.


132 posted on 09/24/2011 9:31:15 PM PDT by cradle of freedom (Long live the Republic !)
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To: TexasFreeper2009

Heck, come January 2013, they’ll be screaming that the elections were stolen because she didn’t yet declare... and that without her, no elections could’ve happened.


133 posted on 09/24/2011 9:44:16 PM PDT by gogogodzilla (Live free or die!)
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To: dangus

How does an inanimate object known as a fence catch anything or anyone?


134 posted on 09/24/2011 9:48:55 PM PDT by gogogodzilla (Live free or die!)
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To: dangus

I will not vote for Romney. If he is our candidate, I will not vote in the presidential election.

Now, considering that you’re doing everything posible to get rid of his only other significant opposition...


135 posted on 09/24/2011 10:03:36 PM PDT by gogogodzilla (Live free or die!)
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To: gogogodzilla

I don’t like Romney.

But if you’re saying that you’d only vote for a Republican if Perry is the nominee, then screw you: you’re the one aiding and abetting Imam Obama, not me. The murdered babies and destroyed economy will be on your head.


136 posted on 09/24/2011 10:06:19 PM PDT by dangus
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To: DesertSapper

I could go for that. I don’t think it’ll happen, though.


137 posted on 09/24/2011 10:06:40 PM PDT by gogogodzilla (Live free or die!)
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To: Ron H.
I've not seen much in the way of attacks against Palin herself. I have seen a lot against her supporters and their nigh worship of her.
138 posted on 09/24/2011 10:09:58 PM PDT by gogogodzilla (Live free or die!)
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To: dangus
But if you’re saying that you’d only vote for a Republican if Perry is the nominee, then screw you: you’re the one aiding and abetting Imam Obama, not me.

I'll vote for any Republican on the ballot come November, as long as he/she's not Romney(or Ron Paul).

It sounds like *you* are admitting that the only other viable candidate is Perry. Yet you're working SO hard to get rid of him. Why are you working so hard to get rid of the opposition to Romney, who you've said you don't like?

139 posted on 09/24/2011 10:19:10 PM PDT by gogogodzilla (Live free or die!)
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To: TexasFreeper2009

What do you do with all those straw men you construct?


140 posted on 09/24/2011 10:21:07 PM PDT by Pelham (Islam. The original Evil Empire)
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To: DesertSapper

Yeah! We should just hold a coronation ceremony for whichever moderate the GOP establishment decides is going to get the nomination.


141 posted on 09/24/2011 10:32:58 PM PDT by Pelham (Islam. The original Evil Empire)
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To: cradle of freedom

Your reply to me barely seems relevant to my post. I didn’t say the choice was between Perry and Romney, but I did point out that neither is going anywhere. I replied to a poster announcing who he had “eliminated”. No one gets eliminated. Some rise and some fall. But in the end, we will each face a choice from a ballot with 2 or 3 frontrunners. Anyone dissatisfied with Romney and Perry should be seeking to raise someone else to frontrunner status and not just tear down those two.


142 posted on 09/25/2011 8:41:52 AM PDT by rogue yam
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To: Hugin

Your post #111 is excellent.


143 posted on 09/25/2011 3:07:41 PM PDT by samtheman (Palin. In your heart you know she's right.)
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To: Kaslin
Bull, Reagan never laid down, he went after the win and that means you battle in the primaries and the winner takes on the rat. Anything else and you wind up with a mccain.
144 posted on 09/26/2011 10:26:16 AM PDT by org.whodat (Just another heartless American, hated by Perry and his fellow democrats.)
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To: Turtlepower
You are correct, the same old same old. You people lay down and let the texas rino win.
145 posted on 09/26/2011 10:29:03 AM PDT by org.whodat (Just another heartless American, hated by Perry and his fellow democrats.)
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To: TexasFreeper2009

You have out done your self in stupid this time, hats off.


146 posted on 09/26/2011 10:32:10 AM PDT by org.whodat (Just another heartless American, hated by Perry and his fellow democrats.)
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To: ImpBill
Thanks to kay, a large portion of the so called fence was nothing more than an improved dike to form a private lake.
147 posted on 09/26/2011 10:35:12 AM PDT by org.whodat (Just another heartless American, hated by Perry and his fellow democrats.)
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