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Editorial: Memo To GOP: The Foe Is Obama, Not Perry (Excellent Point!!!)
IBD Editorials ^ | September 23, 2011 | Staff

Posted on 09/23/2011 4:42:52 PM PDT by Kaslin

Politics: Despite the "gotcha" sniping at Thursday's debate, Republicans need to keep their eyes on the prize. The target for 2012 is not Santorum, Cain, Bachmann, Romney or Perry. It's the current White House occupant.

Texas Gov. Rick Perry must have felt a bit like Gen. Custer at Little Big Horn at the Orlando debate, a made-for-TV contrivance in which those who have a real chance to be president must take pokes and jabs from those who don't.

We appreciate this may be a necessary evil in which front-runners without stamina — the Ed Muskies and Rudy Giulianis, for example — are weeded out.

Still, we must understand that while the goal is the nomination, the prize is the White House. Lost in the brouhaha over tuition for illegal aliens and mandated vaccines is the fact we simply can't afford four more years of President Obama.

Perry has given awkward responses. How can he debate the president, the whispers ask. Sound-bite debates in which you thrust and parry (no pun intended) with eight other candidates, as well as the pundits, are one thing. Comparing your job-creating pro-growth record in a booming state to the record of the arguably worst president in American history is something else.

Those former and nongovernors without a 1,200-mile border with Mexico may criticize, and perhaps justifiably, Perry's embrace of a college tuition break for illegal aliens. We've opposed it too in the past.

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TOPICS: Editorial; Mexico; Politics/Elections; US: Texas
KEYWORDS: aliena; bachmann; gardasil; gingrich; heartless; ibd; immigrantlist; immigration; mexico; michelebachmann; mittromney; obama; obamacare; perry; perry2012; rickperry; romney; romneycare; ronpaul; santorum; texas
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1 posted on 09/23/2011 4:42:56 PM PDT by Kaslin
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To: Kaslin

I don’t think this meme being floated that Perry’s problem was nothing more that being caught in “gotcha” questions in a “contrived” format and therefore he wasn’t as smooth as he needed to be is going to fly.

I think conservatives are unhappy with the substance of what Perry was saying, in particular on illegal immigration.


2 posted on 09/23/2011 4:47:38 PM PDT by Meet the New Boss (Obama has created more jobs in soup kitchens than anyone since Jimmy Carter)
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To: Kaslin

So, all the other primary candidates should just sit back and give the nomination to Perry? Now is the time to make sure Republicans pick the proper candidate who is battle tested. Once that candidate is nominated, then they can worry about defeating Obama.


3 posted on 09/23/2011 4:48:00 PM PDT by Turtlepower
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To: Meet the New Boss

Another performance like last night and this could all be a moot point. There might be some changes on the leader board coming soon.


4 posted on 09/23/2011 4:50:44 PM PDT by Baynative (The penalty for not participating in politics is you will be governed by your inferiors.)
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To: Kaslin

Here is the updated Vid from yesterday on the border wars.

Monday there is a report coming out. Hope it makes it clear to Americans just how bad this situation really is, and it’s not kids going to school.

http://www.click2houston.com/investigates/29272520/detail.html


5 posted on 09/23/2011 4:51:29 PM PDT by Marty62 (Marty60)
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To: Kaslin
Don't show this to all the Perry haters that have suddenly taken over the board here.

half of them are probably liberals trying to foment decent in our ranks.

a quarter are deranged Palin supporters that really believe she is going to run, and will keep saying she is even after the primaries, heck they might even be screaming for a floor flight at the convention.

the other quarter are retarded Ron Paul supporters who seem to have some sort of anti social disorder which causes them to ruin everything they touch with their outrageous behavior. I can't imagine what they actually see in that geeky little nut that would get us all killed if given the chance, but to each their own I guess. But I would prefer if they went back to their one world conspiracy boards where you have to be wearing tin on your head to log in than bothering us here on FR.

6 posted on 09/23/2011 4:55:34 PM PDT by TexasFreeper2009 (Rick Perry 2012 !)
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To: Meet the New Boss
I think conservatives are unhappy with the substance of what Perry was saying, in particular on illegal immigration.

I wonder if the public picks up on the fact that Bachman, Santorum, and Romney are blowing smoke when they talk about a 1200-mile fence keeping Mexicans out of Texas. Perry is right about it not working: you can always dig under, punch through, or climb over a fence. What is needed are UAVs and enough troops to respond to incursions.

7 posted on 09/23/2011 4:55:52 PM PDT by JoeGar
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To: Kaslin
Candidates, in ALL primaries, "snipe" at the others/the front runner/s.

G.H.W.Bush called Reagan's economic plan: "VOODOO ECONOMICS",for but one example.

And this has been the way it has ALWAYS been, from the inception of this nation. As a matter of fact, the broadsides and newspaper articles ( many written anonymously and many others PAID FOR, by one candidate or another using a hack hatchetman ), not to mention the vicious whispering campaigns, were not just about policies/views, but very personal swipes as well.

Thus far, not a single GOPer has gone after Newt and his abject moral failings, Romney and Huntsman's Mormonism, the gossip that once engulfed Santorum, when he was a Senator, etc.! So it's really been a pretty "clean" case of "sniping" which is a relatively bad use of the term "snipe", anyway.

8 posted on 09/23/2011 4:56:32 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: Kaslin

The incumbent President has an advantage—he doesn’t have to agree to a debate with the challenger unless he wants to. Nixon never debated McGovern. It may be harder now to avoid a debate but the media will cover for Obama (just as they didn’t raise a fuss in 2008 when he decided not to go the public funding route). Would Obama be able to use teleprompters in a debate, if he did agree to one?


9 posted on 09/23/2011 4:57:43 PM PDT by Verginius Rufus
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To: Kaslin

Nancy boy thinking like this make me wince. Are we going to have a legit competition amongst candidates for the nomination or a rose-petal path to coronation for the front-runner?


10 posted on 09/23/2011 4:57:55 PM PDT by AHerald ("Do not fear, only believe." - Mark 5:36)
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To: Kaslin
What this editorial misses is that the GOP establishment desperately wants Romney to be the nominee. So much so that they appear to have convinced all the other candidates to clear the path for him.

Perry was his only credible conservative challenger, and now that they have destroyed him, who is possibly going to stop Mitt? My guess is no one.

How depressing.

11 posted on 09/23/2011 5:02:30 PM PDT by comebacknewt (Newt (sigh) what could have been . . .)
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To: TexasFreeper2009

You are disgusting.


12 posted on 09/23/2011 5:03:52 PM PDT by bcsco
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To: JoeGar

It’s not either/or - we need both of those things you are talking about(fence plus personnel/air), plus other things in addition to that in order to accomplish control over the border.


13 posted on 09/23/2011 5:07:04 PM PDT by Meet the New Boss
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To: Kaslin

I was shocked at Perry’s lame performance last night. I now have eliminated him, MB, RP, and Huntsman. I’m having a difficult time coming to grips with the choices we have at this point.


14 posted on 09/23/2011 5:07:43 PM PDT by Kahuna
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To: comebacknewt

Great tagline.

Having been newtered or borked by the media - impossible to overcome.

If only JFK had been a Republican!!!!


15 posted on 09/23/2011 5:07:58 PM PDT by sodpoodle (Despair: Man's surrender. Laughter: God's redemption.)
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To: Kaslin
The foe....

America's Ruling Class -- And the Perils of Revolution By Angelo M. Codevilla from the July 2010 - August 2010 issue

16 posted on 09/23/2011 5:09:31 PM PDT by mewzilla (Forget a third party. We need a second one.)
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To: TexasFreeper2009

Well, I’m no liberal, but I’ll admit to trying to promote “decent” among our ranks. HA HA HA HAA!!


17 posted on 09/23/2011 5:11:37 PM PDT by dangus
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To: TexasFreeper2009

Well, I’m no liberal, but I’ll admit to trying to promote “decent” among our ranks. HA HA HA HAA!!


18 posted on 09/23/2011 5:11:42 PM PDT by dangus
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To: JoeGar

Yeah, dig under a river side fence. Smart.

I love the logic that says, “we don’t need a fence, we can catch them trying to cross,” but then argues, “besides, it won’t work, because we’d never be able to catch them constructing a tunnel system to go under a riverside fence.”


19 posted on 09/23/2011 5:13:53 PM PDT by dangus
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To: Kahuna
I see Romney's still on your possible list then.

I am guessing you don't know Romney is:

Pro abortion
Pro taking your guns
Pro gay marriage
Pro state overseen healthcare
Pro higher taxes

oh! and did I mention he's a freaking cultist mormon?

Heck Romney actually makes John McLame look conservative by comparison! Of course as soon as Romney started considering a run for the oval office, he flip flopped on each and every issue to try and fool the masses with his fast used car salesman debate performance. Guess he found another sucker.

20 posted on 09/23/2011 5:15:39 PM PDT by TexasFreeper2009 (Rick Perry 2012 !)
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To: TexasFreeper2009

Good points.

I think you’re correct.


21 posted on 09/23/2011 5:15:52 PM PDT by cruise_missile
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To: Kaslin

It’s a debate. What do they expect? If Perry can’t face the heat, then he needs to get out of the kitchen. Do they think that Obama and the entire left wing press would be kinder to him in the general election?

And what’s all this business of blaming Sarah Palin for attacking Perry? She has nothing to do with it. It’s wrong to say that Perry is a poor candidate, with a RINO record, but it’s OK to attack Palin at every turn?


22 posted on 09/23/2011 5:16:54 PM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius.)
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To: dangus

If it weren’t for you meddling kids, I might be able to throw the country under the bus for my friends with the wrong last name. LOL


23 posted on 09/23/2011 5:19:21 PM PDT by cripplecreek (A vote for Amnesty is a vote for a permanent Democrat majority. ..Choose well.)
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To: Kahuna
I now have eliminated him, MB, RP, and Huntsman.

You can "eliminate" whoever you want, but when it comes time to vote in your State primary you will have to order from the menu just like everyone else.

Maybe some other candidate will get in and do well, maybe not. But Rick Perry is not "destroyed" and he is not going away. When you vote, his name will be there as will Mitt's.

Being unhappy with Perry's record and debate performance (as I am) does not make Mitt anything more than what we all know he is.

24 posted on 09/23/2011 5:24:08 PM PDT by rogue yam
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To: cripplecreek
I guess some of us in states where Perry's south of the border pals are relative newcomers just aren't as sophisticated and nuanced as our Texas brethren, and haven't looked past our bigotry far enough to see the cultural richness and humanity they impart to their adopted (temporarily) homes.

Obviously, Perry is perfect for Texas.

Please keep him there.

25 posted on 09/23/2011 5:24:12 PM PDT by Trailerpark Badass
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To: Kahuna

“I now have eliminated him, MB, RP, and Huntsman.”

So you actually haven’t eliminated Romney???!!! I never even considered Romney for a second, and he is still on your “list”?


26 posted on 09/23/2011 5:29:45 PM PDT by Turtlepower
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To: TexasFreeper2009
Hey, most of the folks questioning Perry's credentials are serious movement Conservatives and WE ARE NOT HAPPY with Texas' offerings this year.

You can do better than that ~maybe. Where's your Eisenhower? Why do you keep delivering Johnson lite?

27 posted on 09/23/2011 5:33:56 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: TexasFreeper2009

I am not beyond feeling that Perry is past being a best option out of a number given, however, sometimes there can be honest criticisms. It’s important that we’re not all an echo chamber here, disagreements are good to have. I do have questions as to who Rick Perry is, and they are honest and sincere. I am not his biggest fan, but I am willing to think about who Rick Perry is before making a final decision on him.


28 posted on 09/23/2011 5:39:15 PM PDT by Morpheus2009
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To: JoeGar
You could build layered landmine fields down into Mexico (kind of an aggressive act of course), and they would work just fine.

I thought we had this discussion earlier about how EVERYTHING can be stopped from coming over the border except airplanes.

That brought up the question of how we catch the other 40% who enter the country legally and then overstay their visas. Sure, a fence won't work there, but I think the minefield approach would scare the P out of them ~ particularly if we told them that "even though you entered legally at the airport you gotta' walk out going South through that minefield."

NOTE: there are ways, and there are nice ways. You really only need to get into nasty stuff when your other stuff doesn't work. So far nobody has tried any of that other stuff.

29 posted on 09/23/2011 5:39:43 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: cripplecreek

You mean there are people here with nothing but those ridiculous Latvian names? Wow!


30 posted on 09/23/2011 5:41:44 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: TexasFreeper2009

Thanks for calling me a “sucker” because I have not eliminated Romney. Romney has never been on my radar, however, if I’m convinced that he could pull our Country out of the catastrophic economic collapse with more skill than say Cain or Santorum, I’ll keep him in my bullpen. I’m actually praying that Palin decides to run and that we finally can match a genuine conservative against a socialist liberal on November 2nd, 2012.


31 posted on 09/23/2011 5:42:49 PM PDT by Kahuna
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To: Kahuna

good to know that instate tuition for the children of illegal aliens is more important to you than babies lives.

At least we all know where you stand now.


32 posted on 09/23/2011 5:44:28 PM PDT by TexasFreeper2009 (Rick Perry 2012 !)
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To: JoeGar
Bachman, Santorum, and Romney are blowing smoke when they talk about a 1200-mile fence keeping Mexicans out of Texas.

Few of the contenders are any better on illegal immigration. They revert to the same old 'secure the border' canard, back of the line, pay a fine, yada yada yada -- and little will get done during the next administration -- Democratic or Republican.

Heck, even open borders McCain reverted to the canard in his Senate election; but what has he actually done to alleviate the problem since? Nada, nothing, zero.


33 posted on 09/23/2011 5:49:13 PM PDT by TomGuy
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To: Cicero

I remember during the 2004 presidential election, when all the nine rat dwarfs were attacking President Bush instead each other, I was thinking to myself, are they each going to share the presidency with each other?. None of the 9 dwarfs was criticizing the other


34 posted on 09/23/2011 5:53:21 PM PDT by Kaslin (Acronym for OBAMA: One Big Ass Mistake America)
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To: Kaslin

I liked the last paragraph about the circular firing squad. These certainly aren’t the Reaganesque candidates sniping at each other more than they are attacking Obama. Newt tried to suggest this a couple of debates ago, but no one has heeded. Oh well, what can we expect when people are involved. It is an imperfect exercise in an imperfect world.


35 posted on 09/23/2011 5:54:51 PM PDT by ImpBill ("America ... where are you now?" signed, a little "r" republican!)
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To: Kaslin

It’s Perry or Romney. None of the others have a chance in hell to win the nomination. Palin missed her time. She should have got in - if she wanted to - before Perry and the IA Straw poll. She probably wins that. If she gets in now, it won’t be pretty. Her and Perry split the vote and we’ll get Romney. Even if she were to win, the mediawhores will continue to trash her. They’ll be absolutly NO attention paid to Obies pathetic record.


36 posted on 09/23/2011 6:00:27 PM PDT by wny
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To: dangus
Yeah, dig under a river side fence. Smart

So, how much American land are you willing to give up? And how much water rights are you willing to give to Mexico? You are aware that is what the results would be aren't you?

37 posted on 09/23/2011 6:00:27 PM PDT by McGavin999
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To: Kaslin

It’s Perry or Romney. None of the others have a chance in hell to win the nomination. Palin missed her time. She should have got in - if she wanted to - before Perry and the IA Straw poll. She probably wins that. If she gets in now, it won’t be pretty. Her and Perry split the vote and we’ll get Romney. Even if she were to win, the mediawhores will continue to trash her. They’ll be absolutly NO attention paid to Obies pathetic record.


38 posted on 09/23/2011 6:00:36 PM PDT by wny
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To: TexasFreeper2009

“good to know that instate tuition for the children of illegal aliens is more important to you than babies lives.

At least we all know where you stand now.”

Perry was dumbfounded when asked about the Taliban getting control of nuclear weapons. His answer was pathetic and eliminates him in my mind as a viable CIC. Until last night I have supported Perry on this site with an open mind.

As far as you knowing how I stand on life issues, you don’t have a clue and it’s none of your business. Let’s just say that Ronald Reagan is my all-time hero. What was his stance on “life” when he was a democrat?


39 posted on 09/23/2011 6:00:36 PM PDT by Kahuna
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To: JoeGar
I live in Brownsville on the Rio Grande and you should see the wall/fence. It is a very expensive joke that really cedes a chunk of US land into a no mans land. And what many of the folks seem to think is the State of Texas' responsibility.

I disagree with the in-state tuition law and must admit Perry has done a p-poor job in handling it. But what can you say in 1 minute and 30 second sound bites.

40 posted on 09/23/2011 6:00:53 PM PDT by ImpBill ("America ... where are you now?" signed, a little "r" republican!)
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To: Kaslin
All this in-fighting and name-calling liberal-lite b.s. within FR is horrifying. This crap only helps 0bama's reelection chances. This upcoming election is absolutely critical to our survival as a nation of and for the free.

I swear to vote for whoever the GOP puts on the ticket for Nov 2012. Until then, I will listen and learn all I can about the candidates so I can give my input by way of my vote in the primaries. Unfortunately, objective and logical discussions about the current GOP candidates is no longer found at FR (at least in all the posts I've read lately).

Stop giving DUmmies and KOSers forum fodder!

41 posted on 09/23/2011 6:03:55 PM PDT by DesertSapper (CAIN 2012!!!)
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To: dangus

It (the fence/wall) is anything but “river side”. Come on down to Brownsville and I will take you on an eye opening tour of “the Wall”.


42 posted on 09/23/2011 6:04:25 PM PDT by ImpBill ("America ... where are you now?" signed, a little "r" republican!)
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To: muawiyah

I have long felt that a triple strand concertina wire fence followed by a posted, in multiple languages, mine field followed by another triple strand concertina wire fence would get the job done much better and cheaper than “The Wall”!


43 posted on 09/23/2011 6:08:21 PM PDT by ImpBill ("America ... where are you now?" signed, a little "r" republican!)
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To: TexasFreeper2009
...all the Perry haters that have suddenly taken over the board... half of them are...a quarter are...the other quarter are...

Your premise: there is no legitimate criticism of Perry's candidacy.

Dismissing the motives of critics will make you feel better, but only temporarily.

44 posted on 09/23/2011 6:15:54 PM PDT by M. Thatcher
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To: Kaslin
Hello whatyourname!
45 posted on 09/23/2011 6:16:34 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Let us prey!)
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To: Revolting cat!

We’ll , we need a nominee who can win before we can do anything about Obama and Perry clearly will lose. Reagan won by killing Carter in the debates. From watching last nights debate , Perry sucks big time. Obama will kill him and I am not saying that because I think Obama is a good debater , just that Perry is one of the worst I have ever seen.


46 posted on 09/23/2011 6:20:59 PM PDT by Staff Of Moses
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To: TexasFreeper2009

so does that make you a Perrywinkle???


47 posted on 09/23/2011 6:22:17 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (There's gonna be a Redneck Revolution! (See my freep page) [rednecks come in many colors])
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To: Staff Of Moses

AMEN Moses!


48 posted on 09/23/2011 6:23:31 PM PDT by Kahuna
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To: Kahuna

We’d expect Paul to say he didn’t care, but any realistic Republican is going to have to keep up with geopolitics. If the Taliban gets nukes, Israel will stomp those installations flat and if the US can’t help them do so then it should stand out of the way.


49 posted on 09/23/2011 6:25:50 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (There's gonna be a Redneck Revolution! (See my freep page) [rednecks come in many colors])
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To: DesertSapper
Sorry, the Leftwingtards do not and cannot understand our Conservative concerns.

What they gonna' do? Run around hollering "Hey, he wants to let in the undocumented workers"? So do they!

Get real. This is the one place we can deal with our candidate's character free of Leftwingtard interference.

50 posted on 09/23/2011 6:26:12 PM PDT by muawiyah
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