Skip to comments.Is America Ready for a Christian President?
Posted on 09/24/2011 2:18:56 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
Leave it to a RINO. Now Gov. Mitt Romney is doing the Democrats' work for them by worrying that Rick Perry is too extreme to be electable.
That's not the way that Democrats talk about their candidates. They go straight for the guilt trip, and worry out loud, e.g., about whether America is ready for a black president.
......Given the power liberals have to define the cultural horizon, it is easy to miss the importance of today's enthusiastic Christianity. Liberals are taught in their secularist seminaries that God Is Dead, and so the usual journalistic trend-spotters don't write breathless articles in The New Yorker or The New York Times Magazine about the worldwide spread of enthusiastic Christianity. You need a different kind of cultural radar to make sense of the rising moral movement that Palin, Bachmann, and Perry represent. But modern history shows that moral movements are what it's all about.
......Our liberal friends instinctively know that something is wrong, even if, in the argot of their psychology, they are completely in denial. That is why they get so upset over "theocrats," "Christianists," and Tea Party "terrorists." They can feel a moral movement building against them, and they cannot bear to think of the next president of the United States coming out of that movement.
As Gandhi wrote, first they ignore you, then they ridicule you, then they fight you, then you win. Is America ready for a Christian president?
(Excerpt) Read more at americanthinker.com ...
Also, if anyone hasn't seen Perry's new ad it's HERE (almost 481,000 views)
That's a great point. I've felt something similar to this, but that's the best articulation of it I've seen.
A little OT, CW, but what did you think of Perry's debate performance?
I have been on vacation in Vegas for a week. Are you still supporting him? Really? I mean I did not see the debate (first one this year) but I have seen clips of him calling us heartless and other nonsense. I am just surprised that you still support him. I know some people are used to being abused but a FREEPER?
La Raza Rick Perry. No Thanks.
Do you want me to parrot conventional "wisdom?"
If you want me to say it wasn't good, I would have to say no one can "look good" or do well with 8 lesser opponents trying to score points by taking swings at you.
Once the field is pared down and we can actually have something other than "poke him with a sharp stick" exchanges, we might actually know how Perry does in a debate.
Granted, debating is not his style of communicating. It isn't for many people. BTW did you hear Rick Santorum on Hannity yesterday going on endlessly (after a prompt from Sean saying he looked comfortable on the stage) about how important that is for a president. Santorum has a big head.
For what it's worth, a lot of the media hype about a "dismal" "bad" etc debate by Rick Perry (and it really was more catching incoming than a debate) --- the media doesn't like a close race and they need to slow Perry and keep it interesting and "breathless" for the viewing audience and keep those sponsors sending them money for advertising.
No, if I wanted that I'd have asked for that. No need to be defensive, I just know you're a big fan and was just asking the question I asked.
And not that YOU asked, but once again I am reminded that people think some moments are so important at the time, that are forgotten a week and definitely months later. It's not these TV shows that move primary voters--general election voters, maybe, but we're a long way off from that. I am intrigued to see how everyone who doesn't like Perry seems to be shouting "He's done!" Yet when their own favorites stumble, it seems, we just get excuses and dismissals. Sort of like how polls don't matter when one's favorite is down, but one positive poll and suddenly the polls don't lie.
You post a lot about Perry and I didn't know your opinion on this. So...just askin', that's all.
Last I checked, W was a “Christian President” — and fairly outspoken in his evangelicalism. So was Ronald Reagan—if less outspoken.
If what the article means is a true (small government) CONSERVATIVE Christian President, well, we haven’t see that since Reagan.
I also accept that Jimmy Carter is a Christian—even if badly corrupted by liberal politics...and more badly, Mr. Clinton—who despite his womanizing seems to have some sort of Christian faith...and even (YES, I’ll say it!) Barrack O...apparently has a variety of Christian faith (though I do not think one can say he is “born again” in any meaningful sense...but, who knows). (I actually heard a conservative political insider, who had friends in the White House, and Obama does genuinely seem sincerely religious to his people...)
Who cares though? Very committed Christians, politically can also be complete fools...(see Jimmmy C.... or really, in a lot of ways—regarding big-government, W. Bush) as reformer Martin Luther said about rulers, “Better a wise Turk than a foolish Christian.”
I for one though, think a wise evangelical Christian is the best of all worlds. And I think we may well have this in Rick Perry.
I apolgize if I flared.
Often, I've felt how Perry must feel trying to make his point with limited time and multiple, rabid opponents trying to be noticed by using misinformation and spun sound bites.
And I thought exactly the same as you re: how this would have been played on this forum by those who are wearing their hearts on their sleeves for unrequited love.
There are no atheists in foxholes.
If Perry shows he has learned something from this, he will be able to bounce back. The simple fact is, these are TV shows, and Romney is giving the better performance now. If Perry wants to be president, he’s going to have to show he can learn from these little pile-ons and come back. I don’t know him well enough to know if he can, but it’ll be interesting to watch. And whoever I hope will be the nominee, it sure ain’t Romney or Bachmann.
I would like to believe that the American people have seen what a packaged candidate gets them.
Then again, this could all be strategy by Perry's camp. Maybe he'll "run the table" next time.
If the GOP somehow goes insane and nominates old Open Borders, they will only guarantee Obama another term.
The truth of the matter is Mitt Romney was born with 4 aces and Rick Perry is from Paint Creek, Texas.
Romney is GOP establishment. Perry is Tea Party conservative.
Mitt Romney overlooks the Chrysler exhibit at the 1964 New York World's Fair with his father, Michigan governor George Romney
Ricky Perry with fellow Future Farmers of America officers from the Paint Creek School yearbook of 1968
"Tea Party Conservatives" are not open borders amnesty fools like J.R. Perry.
Tea Party Conservatives who are paying attention and not running around spouting misinformation because they want another candidate, KNOW Gov. Perry wants the border SEALED.
But there you go again.
If it isn't, frankly, it can go to hell.
.Romney, who spoke before Perry at the event, received a warm welcome. But the crowd stood and cheered as soon as Perry took the stage at the Orange County Convention Center. The Texas governor accentuated his usual anti-Washington stump speech with references to former President Ronald Reagan, a conservative icon. "We need to push through to that shining city on the hill," Perry said. "As President Reagan said, we need bold colors, not pale pastels.".....
“If Perry shows he has learned something from this, he will be able to bounce back. The simple fact is, these are TV shows, and Romney is giving the better performance now. If Perry wants to be president, hes going to have to show he can learn from these little pile-ons and come back. “
I agree with this-and I like Perry for the most part. If Sarah doesn’t get in and Cain fails to gain traction, I think Perry’s the best of what’s left. But what I want to see from him in these debates is depth. So far, it seems to me he hasn’t studies the issues enough to have a strong ‘back and forth’ with the other candidates. I know the knives are out against him, but I think just knowing the issues in greater depth would go a long way in allowing him to at least hold his own in these debates.
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Perry Doctrine: "We Stand with our Allies"
There is another kind of Republican who sees the election of 2012 as a tipping point for the nation a do-or-die moment when we will either pull back from the precipice of debt and national decline or fall off the edge. This second brand of Republican is hoping that a candidate will emerge who can lay before the American people the nature of the challenge we face in a direct and forthright way. If a campaign is run and won on the need to reform our obese government, the new president will have a mandate to take the necessary steps once in office.
After Wednesdays Republican debate, it seems that Mitt Romney represents the first group, and Rick Perry stands for the second.
Rick Perrys Air War (with the EPA)...........>>>Texas alone opted for the unfriendly approach. Its the only state that did not issue a plan for complianceand Perry has made it clear that Texas has no intention of complying. The move was a blatant slap to the Obama administrationand once again gave Perry the national spotlight. Defying the climate rules offered him the perfect opportunity to loudly decry the science of global warmingwhich in his book Fed Up! he calls a contrived phony mess that is falling apart under its own weightand to slam EPA as a rogue agency with an activist mind-set that has targeted Texas. Such rhetoric is viral catnip to the tea party voters who could help catapult Perry to the 2012 presidential nomination.<<<..............
Metro - Carolyn and Ron Agnew, center, of Pflugerville, wait for Governor Rick Perry's arrival during the Rick Perry Welcome Home Rally at Abel's on the Lake in Austin on Saturday, August 20, 2011. LISA KRANTZfirstname.lastname@example.org
In Texas Schools, Perry Shuns Federal Influence >>>When Secretary of Education Arne Duncan jabbed Mr. Perry on public schools in mid-August, it was only the latest skirmish between the governor and the Obama administration since late 2009, when Mr. Perry announced that the state would not sign on to common core-curriculum standards.<<<...
The Left is signaling that they hope a President Perry will fix education and get the inner cities out from under the impossible mess they've created.
Trial lawyers prep for war on Perry Americas trial lawyers are getting ready to make the case against one of their biggest targets in years: Texas Gov. Rick Perry.
Among litigators, there is no presidential candidate who inspires the same level of hatred and fear as Perry, an avowed opponent of the plaintiffs bar who has presided over several rounds of tort reform as governor.
And if Perry ends up as the Republican nominee for president, deep-pocketed trial lawyers intend to play a central role in the campaign to defeat him.
Thats a potential financial boon to a president who has unsettled trial lawyers with his own rhetorical gestures in the direction of tort reform. A general election pitting Barack Obama and Perry could turn otherwise apathetic trial lawyers into a phalanx of pro-Obama bundlers and super PAC donors.
I know Perry didn't get this across and I believe his "heartless" comment was directed more at MItt that Americans in general but hey, he said it.
In Texas we have a 1200 mile border with Mexico, but that border is your border too, it's the American border. Texas taxpayers,used 400 million of our tax dollars, not your tax dollars, not Santorums or Bachmann's, not Pennsylvania or Minnesota's, but our tax dollars to help secure the American border under Perry. Perry has poured OUR resources, not yours, OURS to secure the border OUR Federal Government will not secure.
Now we gladly do it but to trash Perry as being open borders is simply not true. So the fact TExans spent 400 million of their own dollars, alloted by Perry and the Legislature to secure YOUR border.
While doing this, the Federal GOvernment will not allow Texas to deport anyone so if people get in over the vast 1200 mile border, they either go into the shadows, show up at the emergency room for health care and still attend Texas public schools that WE have to pay for.
The Texas Legislature (and Perry couldn't have even vetoed that bill) decided that if you are a child of an illegal (not just some guy who jumped the border) and you have graduated highschool in Texas and have been here for 3 years and are working toward your citizenship, you get in state tuition. That is our decision as Texans. You don't have to deal with that problem. We do. It's both our border but I just pay to defend it and deal with not having enough resources to do so.
I am with you on Perry. His performance at the debate did not deter my support. We have a president who is rhetorically slick. What does that tell you? is that what the GOP wants?
I like Perry’s heart and mind. They are in the right place.
This moral movement is also a Constitutional Restoration movement.
From FED UP!
One Fight to Save America From Washington
By Rick Perry, Governor of Texas
For too long the silent majority has sat idly by, allowing the political establishment to wage an assault not just on the Constitutional and the fundamental American principle of limited government but on the very idea that it is a government closest to the people that best guarantees the blessings of liberty. (page 13)
But the endless arogance in Washington demonstrates a total disrespect for the Constitution and for the limits on federal power that the Constitution requires. By forsaking the very framework of government given to us by the Founders, we have allowed government to control us instead of controlling the government ourselves. The American people are increasingly aware of this and find it maddening. (page 12)
End of excerpt
From FED Up!, by Governor Rick Perry
"The general principles on which the fathers achieved independence were the general principles of Christianity. I will avow that I then believed, and now believe, that those general principles of Christianity are as eternal and immutable as the existence and attributes of God."
--Adams wrote this on June 28, 1813, in a letter to Thomas Jefferson.
Christian CONSTITUTIONALIST may be a better term...as that is what the Tea Party movement, Palin, Bachman and Perry....and contemporary Conservatism is all about--returning to constitutional governance, away from the inevitable tyranny inherent in the most benevolent welfare state, without the nonsense of an apology in "compassionate" conservatism.
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