Skip to comments.Perry’s support of tuition for children of illegals puts him in GOP crosshairs
Posted on 09/24/2011 4:40:14 AM PDT by iowamark
ORLANDO, Fla. Rick Perry went out on a limb Thursday by refusing to back off his support as Texas governor for granting in-state tuition to some of the children of illegal immigrants, and painting critics of the law as heartless remarks that landed him in the crosshairs of his GOP rivals.
The three-term Texas governor said he still supports the program "greatly" and that the Lone Star State needs "to be educating these children because otherwise theyll "become a drag on society."
"If you say that we should not educate children who have come into our state for no other reason than they've been brought there by no fault of their own, I don't think you have a heart," Mr. Perry said.
The stance also put Mr. Perry at odds with a chunk of the audience, which booed, and opened him up to attacks from the Republican field, including former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney, who said the law carries an annual price tag of $22,000 per student and acts as a magnet for illegal immigrants.
"If you're a United States citizen from any one of the other 49 states, you have to pay $100,000 more," Mr. Romney said, alluding to the difference between in-state and out-of-state tuition at the University of Texas over four years. "That doesn't make sense to me. That kind of magnet draws people into this country to get that education, to get the $100,000 break. It makes no sense."
Former Sen. Rick Santorum of Pennsylvania piled on the criticism and called Mr. Perry "soft on illegal immigration" and alluded to a Perry speech from 2001 at which the Texan extolled the virtue of studying a "binational health insurance" program between border areas of Texas and Mexico...
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It didn’t matter if Perry vetoed the bill.It passed in the legislature with enough votes to be overridden if Perry did veto it.It was a catch 22 situation. Damned if you do,damned if you don’t.
Perry amply demonstrated where his loyalties lie......his comments in two debates make it clear that if we, as United States citizens, do not agree with his pandering to foreign governments, we are heartless racists.
Perry has spent most of his political career pandering to ILLEGAL aliens...... handing out govt freebies, enticing hordes of them over the border, looking away as the savage Zetas cartels setup drug operations in Dallas, sucking up to Mexico, etc, etc, etc.
Now, keep in mind, a rank political opportunist like Perry does not lift his little finger unless he gets a payoff.
Heck, I'd guess there's "hundreds of millions" of reasons why Perry would thumb his nose at his own country and its citizens.
Critics of Rick Perry are inferring that illegal immigrants get a ‘free college education’.
Doesn’t this program simply state that a ‘resident’ of Texas gets a lower rate than a student whose family resides in another State?
It is not about the BILL.
It is about Rick Perry’s openly declared
attitude and his wanting US TAXPAYERS to pay
I’m done with him. It’s over, he can get lost and quit wasting our time.
Herman Cain is the only one up there offering solutions, not political feel good pandering......
Most of these children have been taught in Texas (Or in other states) schools for years. Some ent through Elementary, Middle and High school, at a cost of thousands of dollars already.
They have a basic education, through High School at the expense of citizens—taxpaying citizens.
They should thank us for that,instead we are heartless if we do not want to send them to college at In-state tuition rates.
Many of these heartless people, myself included, cannot afford to send our own kids to college, but now we are expected to college educate someone else’s kid who does not belong in this country at all.A basic qualification for in-state college funds should be that those who ask for them apply for American citizenship.Especially since they have been sucking off the American taxpayer for years to start with.
If they do not wish to become Americans thay should go the fudge back to where they do want to belong, and stop sucking off us.
IIRC, in-state status requires you to be a legal resident of the state for a year. How a legal resident of, say, Guatemala residing illegally in Texas establishes legal residency without following the law of this nation (become a citizen) is beyond me. A kid from Montana (natural born citizen) can’t get in-state tuition until he’s resided — legally — in the state for a year. But if you come from outside the country, no problem — and you’re heartless if you think otherwise. I’ve supported Perry up til that comment. I’d rather Perry than Romney, and if he gets the nomination, I’ll hold my nose and vote against Obama. But I’ll be wishing that an actual conservative would come along all the while.
It’s too bad for America that true Conservatives aren’t running for president.
Jim Demint and Jeff Flake come to mind immediately.
Is America to be stuck with a RINO Republicrat candidate yet again?
You have to have an immigration visa or be a citizen to become a resident for any purpose requiring you to be a resident.
Some things you can do without being a resident. Most recently the Supreme Court ruled that a town can restrict rentals to people lawfully in the United States ~ and that's just rentals!
Regarding Texas "in state" tuition ~ it's available for whoever the law says its available to ~ and not available to others the law says its not available to. At the moment there's litigation about some of its application. But let's examine who the law says can't get in-state tuition.
Let's say you are a taxpayer and a citizen, and you've lived in Texas all your life. You've been in college for 6 years and have not completed the course of study (you are slow, a working single mother, handicapped) but you're not repeating courses. The college can elect to CUT OFF your use of instate tuition simply because you are taking too long.
I see a lot of "heart" in that one eh!
You can be cut off because you are slow paying a nonreturned book fee ~
You can be cut off because you changed your major from, for example, engineering to agronomy ~ because you want to get into serious capital intensive FISH FARMING where you will use your engineering and agricultural knowledge simultaneously. Can't let the students be creative eh ~ gots' ta' keep doin' that same ol' stuff ~ pump oil, cut cotton, do cows else they'll charge you the higher rate!
I think it would be worth your while examining this question ~ it's very easy. Just look up TEXAS IN STATE TUITION. Google.com will pop all of that right up at the start of the list of references ~ something about everybody in America looking into it.
It’s called states rights folks!
If the state of Texas wants to (by overwelming margins) give all the children who live here a break on tuition rates, then it has the right to do so.
Thank you for the facts.
IIRC conventional wisdom seems to be that Texas Governors are not as powerful as the State Legislators. Maybe why both G.W.Bush and R.Perry are both accused of, or have appeared to compromize too easily.
Disagree, but he should have said "brainless" if they couldn't understand the reasoning - if one listens to it, along with his assertion that the borders need to be controlled before States can take any really effective actions (unless they want to be sued by the folks that refuse to enforce the law).
If you listen to his reasoning to explain the position, which only had for "nays" out of 181, you might hear a realist making the best of a lousy situation - my estimation of him went up.
Thank you also.
Clearly a very serious issue with details/facts that cannot be fully discussed in 60 second debate sound bytes. I have to believe that Perry and the other candidates didn’t do as much research as you;)
“Doesnt this program simply state that a resident of Texas gets a lower rate than a student whose family resides in another State?”
No, it does not simply state what you said.
No, they're not.
It's very clear that the illegal immigrants are going to pay in-state tuition fees.
I've been a Perry supporter since he announced; and I had set a pretty low bar for him to justify this program. But, he couldn't justify it intellectually, he resorted to heart-tugging. He's appearing just as emotional as Michelle Bachmann and has just about lost me.
The Gardasil kerfuffle meant nothing to me, the charges of crony capitalism were cooked up and exaggerated, but a Republican president must have a better sense of how to handle illegal immigration than he does.
Barring any new entrants to the race, he can still get my vote back, but I expected far better of him in his third debate than what I saw. He made Romney appear presidential -- something I'd hoped I'd never see.
I heard him on Hannity yesterday give a full uninterupted explanation. I felt much better about it.
It didnt matter if Perry vetoed the bill.It passed in the legislature with enough votes to be overridden if Perry did veto it.It was a catch 22 situation. Damned if you do,damned if you dont.Those are interesting facts. I wish Perry had said that, instead of enthusiastically endorsing the tuition assistance for illegal aliens, and calling anyone who doesn't support pandering to illegal aliens "heartless".
“If the state of Texas wants to (by overwelming margins) give all the children who live here a break on tuition rates, then it has the right to do so.”
The law says nothing about “children”.
once again then, If the state of Texas wants to (by overwelming margins) give all the children (even those who were brought here illegally by their parents, and have lived here for at least the past 3 years a break on tuition rates, then it has the right to do so.
Its cafeteria style conservatism on Freep sometimes...This law I like, this one I don’t.
Texase legislature passed this law. We respect a state’s right to do that. If the texans don’t like that, either complain before the bill gets passed, or send other legislators to Texas state legislature.
The rest of us have no say so in what Texas legally does...That’s exactly the issue in the arizona law..states rights.
It is so easy to have all kinds of heart when you are using other peoples money to have that heart to buy political votes with. My translation of Perry's momentous remark goes something like this: "Yeah, I'm a coward because I don't have to spend one red cent of my own money on these illegal aliens chilren but I sure know how to spend all of yours and your childrens future monies".
I would like to know if Pennsylvania is one of the states that offers in-state tuition to illegals and children of illegals, because both of my Ohio kids go to college there. I’d love to get the in-state break illegals get.
oh and by the way!
70% of those using Romneycare are apparantly illegal aliens!
so take THAT freaking RINO Romney lovers!
As I just posted on another thread...
All he really needed to do is reply:
“As Governor of a state, deportation of the parents isn’t an option. I don’t have the authority to make that decision, and the federal government won’t do it. That leaves me and Texans trying to figure out how to deal with the mess the federal government gave us. We decided that if the parents are allowed to stay per the federal government, and the children they have born here are US citizens per the Constitution, then we might as well make education available to the kids who were born prior to the parent’s arrival.
Maybe some don’t like it, but that is the compromise we had to make in a difficult situation, and I still believe that is right for Texas.”
A reply like that wouldn’t make some folks happy, but it isn’t spitting on us or calling us names.
The problem with Perry wasn’t that he disagrees with some of us on policy, but that he called us names - in a true Democrat politician manner. And if he feels free to spit on us and despise us while asking for our votes, what will he do in DC, surrounded by liberals on every side?
That's what the GOP establishment types at Fox news want.
Now you are sounding like Hilary. It’s for the “children”.
Bingo. And the Perristas know full damn well that's what it's all about. The destruction of our sovereign border with Mexico. Perry is not worthy to be called Governor and as a native born Texan and combat veteran I am ashamed of him and I personally disavow him. His goal is not all that dissimilar to Obamas and that is to harm this great nation but using a different method to do it.
If the state of Texas wants to (by overwelming margins) give all the children who live here a break on tuition rates, then it has the right to do so.
Wrong. The state of texas doesn’t have the authority to give benefits to people who are in their state illegally. The state has the responsibility to arrest them when found and turn them over to ICE. Giving aid to illegals makes them complicit in the illegal act.
In post 26, I explain it in under 30 seconds.
Perry had to know he was going to be asked about it. If he isn’t smart enough to sit down and come up with a polite response that takes 60 seconds or less, then he isn’t bright enough to tie his own shoelaces.
I hope that we’ll be finished with Rick Perry soon. He’s clearly not a conservative.
I’m not a Romney supporter - thanks for the post. Good read.
This is 2011 -- almost 2012.
Its important to point out that there is a huge difference in the Texas Dream Act and the The Dream Act that was pushed in Congress and failed. The Dream Act in Congress was full of all kinds of goodies other than allowing children of illegals to receive in state tuition. The Texas Dream Act was focused only on that. I happen to agree with The Texas Dream Act, and so did everyone in the Senate in Texas. It passed with ZERO no votes. Add to that, it has been proven to be successful.
These are a few things you need to know about the  Texas Dream Act. The child has to have lived in Texas the three years leading up to high school graduation. These students are given no special treatment in getting into Texas colleges and universities. They must get in on their own merit. They are paying the tuition (with or without financial aid). Its estimated that these students make up about 1% of those entering college.
Most of us agree that border control MUST be dealt with first. The problem with all other efforts on this issue in the past is that the borders were not sealed. If there is anyone who we can trust to do that it is Gov. Perry (if he decides to run for President). He knows what goes on down at the border. He has gone there many times. He knows what needs to be done. There is no doubt in my mind that if he were President, he would seal our borders. But Perry also understands Hispanic outreach.
Politicians either “get it” regarding illegal immigration, or they don’t get it. If you get it, then you know that every move you make to “help” illegals just draws more of them to the country. If you want to give illegals a free ride on education, if you’re against a the wall, believe me, it was understood and very well publicized south of the border (and north too, in the communities that count).
I’ve been saying that Perry is an Open Borders Republican, and he CLEARLY IS, after his outburst on Tuesday. He also showed something that we in Texas have ALWAYS KNOWN - which is that he is unable to admit a mistake and change position. Whether it’s selling off control of our highways to foreign interests (which he’s still doing, by the way), or the HPV vaccine, or his Dream Act (and no, he never said he was wrong pushing the HPV, he only said that he should have mandated it through the legislature, rather than by executive order).
It’s looking like he’s had his day, and will follow the Richard Roirden route. Riorden (sp.) was a good mayor in Los Angeles, but then he decided to run for governor as a Republican. He was so sure that he had it in the bag that he started lecturing Republican PRIMARY voters about how he planned to change the party to make it “more inclusive” regarding gays and similar types. His campaign for governor ended that day.
I live in Texas, not far from the Louisiana state line. If a student from that state wants to go to the local college here, he or she pays out of state tuition, but if that student is from Mexico, they pay in-state. And no matter how you slice it or try to defend it, it is just plain unfair for taxpayers to finance non-citizens. No wonder we have so many illegals. We keep offering them incentives to come here. This is one of those incentives. Perry said if you didn’t agree you had no heart. I say if you do agree you have no head.
“It didnt matter if Perry vetoed the bill.It passed in the legislature with enough votes to be overridden if Perry did veto it.It was a catch 22 situation. Damned if you do,damned if you dont.”
Actually, he’d still be the Republican favorite for 2012 if he had vetoed it. Now he’s a has-been.
My translation of Perry's momentous remark: "Yeah, I'm a coward because I don't have to spend one red cent of my own money on illegal aliens' children, but I sure know how to spend all of yours and your children's future monies". It is easy to have "heart" when you are using other people's money to buy political votes.
Nails it---Americans are sick and tired of vote-crazed pols extorting tax dollars to giveaway to favored voting blocs.
As one FReeper insightfully posted: "I just hate a politician with his heart in the right place."
We really owe Rick Perry a big thank you. He has done more to harm his own chances at being President than any of us could have ever hoped to do. Seems all we have to do is just keep giving him all the rope he needs to hang himself. His big mouth will be his own undoing.
Have we become such a whiny bunch here in the U.S. that when a man expresses that he feels you "Don't Have a Heart" if you want to deny education to people allowed in your country? [WHINE TO THE FEDS] Are we, as a nation so totally self absorbed that everything is internalize -- was your self-esteem bruised? Or are you just here to campaign for your candidate?
Grow a spine.
There is NO subsidy paid for these students.
I see you have to problem with 70% of Romneycare recipients being illegal aliens!
Oh please...that “You don’t have a heart’ thing got blown way out of porportion..The media loved that and jumped on Perry...along with Fox’s “focus group” that the moderator ran that right into the ground and then fox and all the MSM went nuts about it.
Wow, sure is nice to see conservatives just being pulled right along where the media wants you.
It may have been not the best way to say it, but I took it as conservatives DO have a heart.
Remember the name of the game for media, including Fox and even Rush...is to first get ratings and great soundbites!
when it comes to “crowd psychology” conservatives can be led around like sheeple too.
I’m so glad you decided to post some of your idiotic tripe to me as I’ve been itching to tell you just how sorry and pathetic I think you have become. You personally disgust me to no end. Take a hike broad. I used to have some respect for you but you have shown me just how wrong I was for thinking that. Buzz off!
I was leaning Perry, and took the bait. Now myself and 75% of the Freepers who did, regret it.
She’s gone off the deep end.
It’s both sad and pathetic to see.
Or as I say.... A politican with a heart means he has his hands in our pocketbook.
The bigger problem with Perry isn’t the fact he called us names. The bigger problem is that he gave an impassioned defense for Mexican immigration at each of the debates.
That is fine if the big business boys down in Texas want to rationalize that this is a good thing socially while getting their cheap labor. But for the rest of us, it sucks.
Texas is the gateway state for all of this garbage. Texas has had opportunities to solve this and they don’t want to. Rush is 100 percent correct that unless Texas solves this, they will dilute that State into the next California and at that moment those electoral votes will forever go into the D column and we will always have a liberal President and socialist country.