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On shooting from the rooftops: Who plays with rhetoric that reflects lunacy?
Fairbanks Daily News-Miner ^ | 24 September, 2011 | Dan O'Neill

Posted on 09/24/2011 5:56:24 AM PDT by marktwain

“When all else fails … vote from the rooftops.” That’s how a T-shirt logo advertising Michael Dukes’ radio show reads. What can that statement, in blood-red lettering over a black background and paired with the image of an assault rifle, possibly mean except that people who aren’t satisfied with election results should use an assault rifle to take matters into their own hands. That they should climb to the top of a building and start killing people?

It is, of course, a despicable logo. Most people, conservative to liberal, get that. Just this month, an AK47 owner blasted 11 folks having breakfast at a pancake house in Nevada, killing three. “You can’t believe the firepower,” said a witness, “the kind of rounds coming out of that weapon.”

So when Michael Dukes suggests that the text and image of his 2007 logo is some kind of joke (“satire … not to be taken seriously,” according to the News-Miner), I wonder how many people think it’s funny. (View the logo at http://themichaeldukesshow.blogspot.com/2007/06/artwork-for-firearms-friday-show-almost.html.) Supporters in the online comments below the News-Miner article protest that the intent is serious, that people should prepare for armed revolution if “all else” — however you define that — fails.

I wonder what fraction of the Fairbanks population thinks that this moment in American political history is so desperate that we should be thinking about launching a civil war. Schaeffer Cox does, I guess.

According to the seven-count indictment, Cox told his militia “ … you also have to be ready to kill.” It’s alleged he envisioned “guerilla warfare” and was getting ready to kill judges and troopers, having amassed for that purpose “a tripod-mounted, belt-fed .50-caliber machine gun, a belt-fed, hand-cranked, tripod-mounted .30 caliber machine gun, at least one fully automatic assault rifle, multiple pineapple grenades, at least one grenade launcher … ” — the list goes on.

Dukes, a member of the Fairbanks North Star Borough Assembly who is running for re-election, cavalierly blends fatuous macho talk with gun-rights advocacy, but this kind of talk isn’t bluster to Cox and his ilk. In Cox, a sometimes political candidate, we see the fusion of a Second Amendment activist and a radical accused of actively planning to use gun violence as a political tool.

What kind of mind thinks this way? What sort of values must these people hold? What part of “Thou shalt not kill” eludes those who tend to tout Christian values? For that matter, what part of criminal law eludes this brand of conservatives, usually champions of “law and order?” What deep sense of victimhood and impotence leads one to prop up his inadequacy with an assault rifle and to snicker at the prospect of shooting his neighbors?

It isn’t just in our town, either, where it sometimes seems the lunatics are running the asylum. Tea Party-backed candidate Sharron Angle of Nevada offers the same message as Dukes and Cox when she refers to “Second Amendment remedies.”

And then there’s our gal Sarah Palin, saying “Don’t retreat — reload,” and graphically targeting congressional Democrats by placing rifle scope crosshairs on their districts. Of course, all it takes is one delusional fanatic, infuriated with the government, to pull a gun and send a bullet through the skull of one of those people, Rep. Gabby Giffords.

Michele Bachmann makes a point of telling audiences that her favorite gun is an AR15 assault rifle. She told Minnesotans that she wanted them “armed and dangerous” for upcoming political battles and that she needed her supporters to “take out some of these bad guys.”

Joyce Kaufman, a conservative radio host and Florida Republican Rep. Allen West’s chief of staff, said, “If ballots don’t work, bullets will.” Not much ambiguity there. Stephen Broden, a conservative candidate for Congress in Texas last year, is even less metaphorical: “Our nation was founded on violence; the option is on the table.”

This, of course, is the talk of children. Or of adults stuck at a profoundly immature level of thinking. It’s the kind of thinking that informs those who bring guns to public meetings, intimidating ordinary folk from testifying, or even attending.

It’s the kind of thinking that results in noxious smoke pouring into a grade school for years before the citizenry rises up and demands a stop to it.

It’s what allows our borough mayor, an unfailingly polite and thoroughly decent man, to be utterly pilloried — shrill voices threatening and denouncing him as a socialist — for an eminently sensible wood stove replacement program.

It’s what scuttles Vision Fairbanks, a modest proposal to revitalize downtown, never mind that the downtown business owners requested the reform.

It’s time for people with a little more maturity and soundness of mind to take back their town.

Dan O’Neill is the author of “The Firecracker Boys” and “A Land Gone Lonesome.”

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Government; News/Current Events; US: Alaska
KEYWORDS: agenda21; ak; banglist; declaration; revolution; vision
I guess Dan O'Neill has never read the Declaration of Independence.
1 posted on 09/24/2011 5:56:27 AM PDT by marktwain
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To: marktwain

Maybe he thinks the patriots used spitballs against the red coats.


2 posted on 09/24/2011 6:01:29 AM PDT by Salamander (Alice Cooper hit me with a stick.)
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To: marktwain

Ole Danny boy should be sitting next to Eric Holder and his side kick Barry Soetoro.


3 posted on 09/24/2011 6:03:10 AM PDT by Rappini (Pro Deo et Patria)
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To: marktwain
The people actively using the language of violence to push their ideas are almost all Democrats.

If it ever comes down to the actual use of violence, the Democrats are going to come off VERY badly.

4 posted on 09/24/2011 6:04:59 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy (The USSR spent itself into bankruptcy and collapsed -- and aren't we on the same path now?)
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To: marktwain

Considering the violent rhetoric coming from Democrats with the intent of silencing their opponents, ballots may not be an option.


5 posted on 09/24/2011 6:05:45 AM PDT by ctdonath2 ($1 meals: http://abuckaplate.blogspot.com/)
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To: marktwain

Maybe he’s auditioning for a part in the Huntsman campaign - you know - being he’s so reasonable and all.....

The soft tie he made between Palin’s “target” graphics and actual violence was especially ridiculous.


6 posted on 09/24/2011 6:08:46 AM PDT by C. Edmund Wright
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To: marktwain
Dukes, a member of the Fairbanks North Star Borough Assembly who is running for re-election, cavalierly blends fatuous macho talk with gun-rights advocacy, but this kind of talk isn’t bluster to Cox and his ilk. In Cox, a sometimes political candidate, we see the fusion of a Second Amendment activist and a radical accused of actively planning to use gun violence as a political tool.

He's probably getting his bottled water from the left. He's clearly a gift to them.

7 posted on 09/24/2011 6:09:12 AM PDT by the invisib1e hand (...then they came for the guitars, and we kicked their sorry faggot asses into the dust)
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To: marktwain
Everything liberals want is always "eminently sensible."
8 posted on 09/24/2011 6:09:45 AM PDT by Excellence ( CTRL-GALT-DELETE)
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To: marktwain
The picture that started the controversy long before anything the reporter referred to:


9 posted on 09/24/2011 6:11:44 AM PDT by ctdonath2 ($1 meals: http://abuckaplate.blogspot.com/)
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To: marktwain
What can that statement, in blood-red lettering over a black background and paired with the image of an assault rifle

I'm no gun expert, but I really don't think that's an assault rifle. It's some sort of sniper rifle. Two very different weapons.

An AK would be a poor choice for a "fight from the rooftops" weapon. It's designed for close to medium range high-firepower situations. The major reason it's so popular among the "spray and pray" boys around the world.

If you want to be effective from a rooftop you need to be able to hit what you aiming for at a considerable distance.

10 posted on 09/24/2011 6:21:44 AM PDT by Sherman Logan
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To: marktwain

“Christian values” - interesting to hear that phrase. Often used by non-Christians in ignorance of what Christian values really are. Uninformed Christians sometimes allow non-Christians to use guilt to manipulate them. Don’t be fooled. It’s not the state’s job to take money from one person to buy another an efficient wood stove. Charity taken by force or fraud is not charity. Let’s call it by its true name - which is “theft.” Buying votes is what the politicians want to do. And they want to do it with your money. Do not let them.


11 posted on 09/24/2011 6:36:56 AM PDT by RKV (He who has the guns makes the rules)
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To: marktwain
The picture in the blog shows an FN FAL, which is a British army rifle. The tea shirt above is something else, I don't recognize it.
12 posted on 09/24/2011 6:38:52 AM PDT by Ham Hock
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To: marktwain

Of course what this article fails to point out is the fact that it has been the democrat party and their progressive movement base that has a long history of using terrorism in this country and in targeting innocent civilians. The KKK was a terrorist wing of the democrat party and was also championed by the progressive movement. In the sixties it was terrorist groups like the Weather Underground that were championed by the democrat parties progressive movement. Then of course you also have the terrorists groups like ELF and ALF both championed by the democrat party progressive movement and greenie movement.


13 posted on 09/24/2011 6:42:19 AM PDT by TheBigIf
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To: TheBigIf

This guy’s article would have been much more effective if he had also pointed out some of the many recent militaristic statements from unions and other leftists. Since he ignores them and focuses solely on statements of this type from conservatives, he just manages to look like an ideological hack rather than a concerned citizen.


14 posted on 09/24/2011 6:49:07 AM PDT by Sherman Logan
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To: marktwain
Supporters in the online comments below the News-Miner article protest that the intent is serious, that people should prepare for armed revolution if “all else” — however you define that — fails.

Most people who aren't pacifists or utter cowards will agree with this statement. That there is some point at which one must fight back rather than supinely submitting to enslavement or death.

The question is thus not one of whether fighting back is ever appropriate, it is whether preparing to do so is appropriate and how close we are to the shooting point.

Personally, I think we're a lot farther from this point than many around here do, but I am in full agreement that such a point exists.

I suspect the author of this piece also agrees that such a point exists, although his shooting point would no doubt look very different from mine.

15 posted on 09/24/2011 6:59:33 AM PDT by Sherman Logan
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To: Sherman Logan
I'm no gun expert, but I really don't think that's an assault rifle. It's some sort of sniper rifle.

16 posted on 09/24/2011 6:59:55 AM PDT by oh8eleven (RVN '67-'68)
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To: marktwain

Dans an ignorant socialist presstitute....


17 posted on 09/24/2011 7:04:33 AM PDT by Squantos (Be polite. Be professional. But have a plan to kill everyone you meet)
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To: oh8eleven

Excellent!


18 posted on 09/24/2011 7:30:26 AM PDT by Sherman Logan
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To: RKV

A Christian will kill you in self-defense, but pray for your soul while doing so, and regret it afterwards.


19 posted on 09/24/2011 7:33:49 AM PDT by JimRed (Excising a cancer before it kills us waters the Tree of Liberty! TERM LIMITS, NOW AND FOREVER!)
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To: TheBigIf

BUMP!


20 posted on 09/24/2011 7:39:12 AM PDT by JimRed (Excising a cancer before it kills us waters the Tree of Liberty! TERM LIMITS, NOW AND FOREVER!)
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To: Ham Hock
The picture in the blog shows an FN FAL, which is a British army rifle. The tea shirt above is something else, I don't recognize it.

The picture above is a .50BMG rifle of some sort - there is some discussion of it (and a great summary of what "Vote From the Rooftops" really means in post # 58) HERE.

Sure, it's rhetoric. However, to dismiss it as "childish" like the writer above has, well - that would be unwise.

21 posted on 09/24/2011 7:40:15 AM PDT by Charles Martel (Endeavor to persevere...)
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To: marktwain
a radical accused of actively planning to use gun violence as a political tool.

The left would NEVER use gun violence as a political tool.

Would they?

22 posted on 09/24/2011 7:55:24 AM PDT by Disambiguator
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To: marktwain
Vision Fairbanks, a modest proposal...

All these Vision schemes are part of Agenda21. Modest my azz.

23 posted on 09/24/2011 8:09:51 AM PDT by metesky (Brethren, leave us go amongst them! - Rev. Capt. Samuel Johnston Clayton - Ward Bond, The Searchers)
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To: marktwain

Dan O’Neill sits to pee.


24 posted on 09/24/2011 8:10:37 AM PDT by Noumenon (The only 'NO' a liberal understands is the one that arrives at muzzle velocity.)
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To: marktwain

The Current President of the United States kicked off his campagin in the livingroom of an un apolegetic, unrepentant, blood drenched Terroist who has never backed away from his belief that 25% of the population of this country would have to be killed before this nation might be properly governable.

Am I worried about some clown and his gun? No. I am not.


25 posted on 09/24/2011 8:40:33 AM PDT by TalBlack ( Evil doesn't have a day job.)
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To: marktwain
Dan O’Neill is the author of “The Firecracker Boys” and “A Land Gone Lonesome.”

Ah yes. Best sellers in Zimbabwe.

26 posted on 09/24/2011 8:42:41 AM PDT by VeniVidiVici ("Si, se gimme!")
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To: marktwain

What is a libweenie like that doing in AK — and where’s the “Barf Alert!”?


27 posted on 09/24/2011 11:29:59 AM PDT by TXnMA ("Allah": Satan's current alias...)
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To: marktwain
As a former resident of Fairbanks, Alaska, that sure as heck isn't the Daily News-Miner I remember.

Looks like some liberal journo school wussies moved north and took over the paper.

"Long Live 2 Street...Long Live the Chena Bar!"
28 posted on 09/24/2011 5:27:26 PM PDT by Tainan (Cogito, Ergo Conservitus.)
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To: Salamander; All
I notice that the Fairbanks Daily News Miner has removed all comments that take issue with the editorial. It appears that they have gone entirely over to the dark side.
29 posted on 09/24/2011 7:59:28 PM PDT by marktwain (In an age of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act.)
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To: marktwain

Should I be shocked?

This post tore me up:

“But I have never been so amazed at the behavior of those carrying guns and using them in a dangerous way in innapropriate places - i.e. neighborhoods where there are close homes, children, and pets, when there is no need for self defense - unless an intruder were to come into your home. We have shooting ranges - how about using them? How about respecting the laws we already have on the books, as well as respecting your neighbors?”

Just shy of a couple weeks ago I took a 9mm to _3_ rabid coons running in my neighborhood, thereby sparing the ‘close’ neighbors’ grandchildren, pets and themselves the sickening rabies shots ~I’m~ now getting.

Aren’t I just such the epitome of an inconsiderate, selfish, trigger-happy bitch?

Who do I think I am, “using them in a dangerous way in innapropriate [sic] places” when I’m sure there’s a perfectly good shooting range *somewhere* near here?

[woulda been 9 yards of hell trying to bag up them coons and transport them there, though, for a more “appropriate” dispatching, I tell ya what]


30 posted on 09/24/2011 8:23:26 PM PDT by Salamander (Alice Cooper hit me with a stick.)
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To: marktwain
“When all else fails … vote from the rooftops.” That’s how a T-shirt logo advertising Michael Dukes’ radio show reads. What can that statement, in blood-red lettering over a black background and paired with the image of an assault rifle, possibly mean except that people who aren’t satisfied with election results should use an assault rifle to take matters into their own hands. That they should climb to the top of a building and start killing people?

It's a useful option to have on tap, just in caswe the Teamsters' boss should start telling his union thugs to start killing Americans with whom they have political differences.

Oh, wait- that's right. He already has....

31 posted on 09/26/2011 5:02:52 PM PDT by archy (I'd give my right arm to be ambidextrous!)
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To: Sherman Logan; BCR #226; Squantos; Travis McGee
I'm no gun expert, but I really don't think that's an assault rifle. It's some sort of sniper rifle. Two very different weapons.

You're quite correct. I can even tell you who the fella behind the trigger is. And so can a couple of other folks around here.

32 posted on 09/26/2011 5:05:17 PM PDT by archy (I'd give my right arm to be ambidextrous!)
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To: archy

Shhhhhh.....:o)


33 posted on 09/26/2011 5:09:08 PM PDT by Squantos (Be polite. Be professional. But have a plan to kill everyone you meet)
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To: archy; ctdonath2

Hey, I’ve been a guest on the Michael Dukes show a bunch of times. Even sent him books, to use as call-in guest prizes. More points on my Fusion Center accumulated score! Holy cow, I’ll bet I’m pegging that sucker.


34 posted on 09/26/2011 7:41:30 PM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: Travis McGee; Squantos
Kinda off topic for this thread, but the thread I was going to post this on was pulled . . .

I recently added a new accessory for my Mossburg, an inexpensive cloth nail apron from the local home repair bigbox store.

Cost should be around 2 bucks or so. Mine has 2 large pockets and a narrow pocket between them. The large pockets can each hold 2 boxes of loose 2 3/4 inch 12ga shells loose for easy access. The narrow center pocket now holds a spare mag for my .45.

35 posted on 09/27/2011 12:42:18 PM PDT by Petruchio (I Think . . . Therefor I FReep.)
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To: Petruchio; Squantos; Travis McGee
I recently added a new accessory for my Mossburg, an inexpensive cloth nail apron from the local home repair bigbox store.

Nice touch. I came up with something similar, using one of a pair of the one-dollar-apiece black fabric Wal-Mart shopping bags, fastened together over the shoulder, front and back, as ballistic plate carriers. Or for shotgun shells, or buzzgun magazines, if you're so inclined.

Oh, about the tacky Wal-Mart logo on them: I turned them inside-out before I started modifying. Works fine.


36 posted on 09/27/2011 1:50:17 PM PDT by archy (I'd give my right arm to be ambidextrous!)
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To: Charles Martel; Squantos; Travis McGee
The picture above is a .50BMG rifle of some sort - there is some discussion of it (and a great summary of what "Vote From the Rooftops" really means in post # 58)

There's a much better essay on Precision Voting, with accompanying photos, *here.*

Dated info, but timeless, some of it.

37 posted on 09/27/2011 1:55:08 PM PDT by archy (I'd give my right arm to be ambidextrous!)
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To: Petruchio

Way things are going your gonna have to fill that with grenades......:o)


38 posted on 09/27/2011 4:30:48 PM PDT by Squantos (Be polite. Be professional. But have a plan to kill everyone you meet)
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To: Squantos
Way things are going your gonna have to fill that with grenades......:o)

Or maybe not:


39 posted on 09/28/2011 10:38:12 AM PDT by archy (I'd give my right arm to be ambidextrous!)
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To: archy

That’s 40mm ....yes I’d rather have those but...:0)


40 posted on 09/28/2011 1:51:40 PM PDT by Squantos (Be polite. Be professional. But have a plan to kill everyone you meet)
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To: archy; Squantos

This is a crazy article. Everyone knows you don’t shoot from a rooftop. You want to be on one of the top two floors back inside a room.

You’d be way to exposed on the actual rooftop.

Silly liberals...


41 posted on 09/28/2011 1:55:11 PM PDT by Lurker (The avalanche has begun. The pebbles no longer have a vote.)
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To: Lurker

Besides, it does say “when ALL ELSE fails”.

That means we’ll use peaceful/political means to retain our individual liberty from encroaching communists,

but...

when all else fails, we must reserve the 1776 solution.


42 posted on 09/28/2011 1:59:01 PM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter knows whom he's working for)
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To: Squantos; Petruchio
Way things are going your gonna have to fill that with grenades......:o)

No need to worry about voting. Just here today in NC our Governor Bev Perdue floated a trial balloon suggestion to cancel the upcoming Congressional elections so our dedicated elected leaders won't have the stress of worrying about re-election and will be able to concentrate on fixing our problems.

43 posted on 09/28/2011 2:12:14 PM PDT by tarheelswamprat
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To: oh8eleven

Heh. Good. I likes it.


44 posted on 09/28/2011 2:17:51 PM PDT by Cyber Liberty (I like both Perry and Palin, and will vote for whichever of them wins.)
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To: Disambiguator
a radical accused of actively planning to use gun violence as a political tool.

The left would NEVER use gun violence as a political tool.

Would they?

Gun Violence when used by the left is usually perpetrated by uniformed members of the state military. So, they think of it like Lenin/Stalin, "An individual death is a tragedy. Millions of deaths is a statistic."

Molon Labe

TS

45 posted on 09/28/2011 2:36:17 PM PDT by The Shrew (www.wintersoldier.com; www.tstrs.com; The Truth Shall Set You Free!)
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To: Lurker
This is a crazy article. Everyone knows you don’t shoot from a rooftop. You want to be on one of the top two floors back inside a room.

Besides which, you don't want to take up the space that can be profitably put to use by the mortars and quad fifty.


46 posted on 09/28/2011 3:38:34 PM PDT by archy (I'd give my right arm to be ambidextrous!)
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To: Lurker; archy

Besides who shoots anymore...... 1 ton diesel dualie with a ranch hand brush guard doing 40mph and insurance is way more effective than a rifle in most cases.......ooooops !

Course a bug deflector is handy as well for the little socialist road kills.

As Clint Smith likes to say, drive or shoot, but never try both at the same time.....:o)


47 posted on 09/28/2011 6:08:50 PM PDT by Squantos (Be polite. Be professional. But have a plan to kill everyone you meet)
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To: tarheelswamprat

Yep read that this AM early and sent to hale and hiredhand........

She’s a silly socialist parrot. Someone in the socialist demon rat party said it and she is just repeating it out loud.


48 posted on 09/28/2011 6:25:14 PM PDT by Squantos (Be polite. Be professional. But have a plan to kill everyone you meet)
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