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In FL Straw Poll, a Late Surge for Herman Cain (more Perry debate fallout)
The Washington Examiner ^ | Saturday, September 24, 2011 | Byron York

Posted on 09/24/2011 7:48:26 AM PDT by kristinn

ORLANDO -- There's no scientific polling, but talks with dozens of delegates who will vote in today's Florida straw poll suggest that many are making last-minute decisions to vote for Herman Cain.

What seems to be happening is this: A lot of delegates came to Orlando planning to vote for Rick Perry. But Perry's poor performance at Thursday night's Fox News-Google debate gave them pause and re-opened the question of whom they will support. And many of the conservatives who were attracted to Perry will, when asked for a second choice, naturally gravitate to Cain, who, it just happens, had a particularly good debate on Thursday. So with Perry not commanding the loyalty he did just 48 hours ago, Cain appears to be picking up support.

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TOPICS: News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: Florida
KEYWORDS: byronyork; cain; flstrawpoll; hermancain
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1 posted on 09/24/2011 7:48:36 AM PDT by kristinn
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To: kristinn
Careful. Depending on how this goes today, we may end up finding out (being told) that “these straw polls really don't mean anything”.
2 posted on 09/24/2011 7:52:39 AM PDT by gov_bean_ counter
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To: kristinn
The Perry Campaign had made Governor Perry sound like he was to politics what Rocky Marciano is to boxing. After three poor debate performances, Perry appears more like Toro Moreno.
3 posted on 09/24/2011 7:53:17 AM PDT by Rational Thought
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To: kristinn

Cains support may “surge” from 1 to 2%

lol


4 posted on 09/24/2011 7:54:07 AM PDT by TexasFreeper2009 (Rick Perry 2012 !)
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To: kristinn

9, 9, 9.


5 posted on 09/24/2011 7:55:47 AM PDT by Rudder (The Main Stream Media is Our Enemy---get used to it.)
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To: TexasFreeper2009

>>> Cains support may “surge” from 1 to 2%

What are Cain’s negatives?


6 posted on 09/24/2011 7:55:52 AM PDT by Safrguns
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To: Rational Thought
Toro Bozo
7 posted on 09/24/2011 7:56:46 AM PDT by org.whodat (Just another heartless American, hated by Perry and his fellow democrats.)
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To: Safrguns

nothing, I love Cain, but he polls really low for some reason.


8 posted on 09/24/2011 7:57:15 AM PDT by TexasFreeper2009 (Rick Perry 2012 !)
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To: Safrguns
Read the guys name and tagline, he clearly is just a Perrybot.

I thought Cain was outstanding and he would get my support.

Romney and everyone else made Perry look like the RINO pro illegal phony that he is.

Sorry TexasFReeper, I think your RINO hero is in trouble.

9 posted on 09/24/2011 7:57:52 AM PDT by Dengar01 ("Liberalism is a Mental Disorder" - Dr. Michael Savage)
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To: kristinn

So they polled the delegates before the real poll.

Totally meaningless.


10 posted on 09/24/2011 7:58:07 AM PDT by fatnotlazy
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To: kristinn

I love Herman Cain.


11 posted on 09/24/2011 7:59:02 AM PDT by ryderann
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To: TexasFreeper2009

I think it’s more than that. And I think Perry was on to something about the combination of “Newt/Cain” into one persona.

What helps Cain is he was the first to come out and articulate actual plans for getting the economy to turn-around (the 9/9/9 plan is easy and straightforward for voters to remember. It’s a great idea. It will be interesting to see what happens if Palin were to get in to see the argument between 9/9/9/ and 0% corporate rate.

I think what will happen is if Cain picks up steam, you’ll find more media reports about his health and them trying to scare voters that the cancer might come back.


12 posted on 09/24/2011 8:00:30 AM PDT by parksstp (Articulate Conservatives look for Converts. RINO's look for Democrat Heretics.)
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To: kristinn

At this point of time in 2007 the top two candidates were Huckabee and Fred Thompson and there was no serious thought that McCain could push others aside including Romney and move into the top 2 spots. If you are going to be a political junkie and follow this stuff day in and day out you have to have a lot of patience and perseverance.


13 posted on 09/24/2011 8:01:42 AM PDT by NavyCanDo (GO MAMA GRIZZLY!)
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To: kristinn

Loved the vintage vid of Cain smacking down Slick Willy on nationalized healthcare...and this was over HillaryCare in the ‘90s!!


14 posted on 09/24/2011 8:02:12 AM PDT by Jane Long (Soli Deo Gloria!)
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To: ryderann

So much for the conservatives/Tea Party being racist......you’ll never hear this being pointed out in the MSM.

I love Cain too, he’d be my first choice IF he can get by the RINO block of the Repubs.......


15 posted on 09/24/2011 8:02:27 AM PDT by Arlis (- Virginia loghome/woods-dweller/Jesus lovin'/Bible-totin'/"gun-clinger")
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To: kristinn

There’s no scientific polling, but talks with dozens of delegates who will vote in today’s Florida straw poll suggest that many are making last-minute decisions to vote for Herman Cain.

THANK YOU GOD!!!! My prayers are being answered. Yes Palin is my first choice but to have a REAL conservative win this thing would be incredible.


16 posted on 09/24/2011 8:03:59 AM PDT by napscoordinator
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To: kristinn

Cain is my first choice of the declared candidates but I am realistic that much of politics now is media and marketing and he needs to make some major moves before he can overcome that roadblock.


17 posted on 09/24/2011 8:05:18 AM PDT by mnehring
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To: Arlis

The MSM will say that Cain is not really black.

Count on it.


18 posted on 09/24/2011 8:05:25 AM PDT by COUNTrecount (Barry...above his poi grade.)
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To: parksstp

“And I think Perry was on to something about the combination of “Newt/Cain” into one persona.”

Newt / Cain mmm mmm mmm

Too bad Newt has so much baggage though, because he would creame Obama in a debate.


19 posted on 09/24/2011 8:05:52 AM PDT by NavyCanDo (GO MAMA GRIZZLY!)
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To: kristinn

I like Cain - he has interesting ideas and I don’t think he’d be swayed by politics as usual.


20 posted on 09/24/2011 8:05:59 AM PDT by Aria ( "If we ever forget that we're one nation under God, then we will be a nation gone under.")
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To: kristinn

Herman Cain is the best candidate on the stage the other night. He has my support. I like him politically far better than Perry, Romney and Bachman put together.

I have yet to see a good argument against the man. Not one. Yet for some reason he is second tier. Are we going to let the rew rich GOP donors choose our candidates? Really??

I thin we should be backing Cain with all we have, the man would kick Obama’s ass so bad he would bever be able to sit again.


21 posted on 09/24/2011 8:06:16 AM PDT by Danae (Anailnathrach ortha bhais beatha do cheal deanaimha)
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To: NavyCanDo

Actually, folks, Newt Gingrich and Herman Cain look like they could make a great team for America!!! They should be in the running. However, this race is just getting started!!! And......IMHO opinion, Romney & Perry are dead in the water!!! At the end of the day, neither one of them is going anywhere in the POTUS race!!! Both losers!!!!


22 posted on 09/24/2011 8:06:41 AM PDT by JLAGRAYFOX
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To: Safrguns

Isn’t that odd. So far, Cain has shown NO negatives. He’s been consistent in his message and actually articulates a plan - something the rest of the knife-throwers don’t do.
But as he rises in the polls, count on the MSM to dig the dirt on him. Today’s journalism is nothing but mob crusifixion. Pretty soon we’ll find out Herman mandated less cheese and non-union grown tomatos on his pizzas.
Oh the horror!


23 posted on 09/24/2011 8:06:42 AM PDT by bossmechanic (If all else fails, hit it with a hammer)
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To: Dengar01

I would love to see Cain win this straw poll!


24 posted on 09/24/2011 8:08:14 AM PDT by CAluvdubya
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To: kristinn
I like Cain.

From Wikipedia:

" Cain was born in Memphis, Tennessee, on December 13, 1945, the son of Lenora (née Davis) and Luther Cain, Jr.[5][6] His mother was a cleaner and his father was a janitor, a barber, and a chauffeur.[3] He was raised in Georgia.[7]

He graduated from Morehouse College in 1967 with a Bachelor of Arts degree in mathematics and received a Master of Science degree in computer science from Purdue University in 1971,[8] while he was also working full-time in ballistics for the U.S. Department of the Navy.

Cain has authored four books: Leadership is Common Sense (1997), Speak as a Leader (1999), CEO of SELF (October 2001), and They Think You're Stupid (May 2005). He also authored an article titled "The Intangibles of Implementation" in the technical journal Interfaces (Vol. 9, No. 5, 1979, pp. 144-147), published by the Institute for Operations Research and the Management Sciences (INFORMS)."

25 posted on 09/24/2011 8:08:44 AM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: Danae
Yet for some reason he is second tier.

It is marketing pure and simple. It is about who can get the most air time and in this American Idol culture, people tune into dramatics, not intellect.

26 posted on 09/24/2011 8:09:34 AM PDT by mnehring
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To: kristinn

Herman Cain won that debate. I don’t care what the pundits say. Actually, they don’t say much about Herman Cain...they acknowledge he was there and move on to the Perry/Romney saga as if that is all there is.

I think Cain has an incredible trust factor working for him. Based on his debate performances, interviews and background I have less wariness about him than I do the rest of the people on that stage (and politicians in general). I know he doesn’t have a lot of political experience, but based on his attitude I am confident if he doesn’t know the answer he will find someone who does. That is what businessmen do.


27 posted on 09/24/2011 8:10:53 AM PDT by LostInBayport (When there are more people riding in the cart than there are pulling it, the cart stops moving...)
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To: JLAGRAYFOX

Perry & Romney may have the Rudy syndrome- the assumed leader by the media early on but can’t pull it together.


28 posted on 09/24/2011 8:11:08 AM PDT by mnehring
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To: kristinn

Right now, I am planning on voting for him hear in Georgia. That might change in time, but he was more relaxed and smoother in this last debate than he had been, and most of the others - especially the too leaders - make we feel a little noxious.

We really need a meteor candidate. (NOT RHINO CHRIS CHRISTY)


29 posted on 09/24/2011 8:11:54 AM PDT by FreeAtlanta (Fight for Liberty)
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To: TexasFreeper2009
I love Cain, but he polls really low for some reason.

Obama is the reason.

He has poisoned the well.


30 posted on 09/24/2011 8:13:55 AM PDT by Iron Munro (Muslims who advocate, support, or carry out Jihad give the other 1% a bad name)
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To: TexasFreeper2009

I don’t know. I liked him, but I hadn’t taken him seriously as a candidate until the night before last.

Yesterday I did my homework on the man and shared what I’d found with my daughter. Cain now has two more supporters. My mother will be on board by tomorrow.

So I can guarantee three more votes for Cain in the primaries just from this house. My daughter will sway at least three of her friends.

If the buzz keeps up, he’ll start to surge within the next two weeks.


31 posted on 09/24/2011 8:15:07 AM PDT by Marie (Heartless conservative)
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To: Marie

Well if Cain is still in the race by the time your state votes then I think you are choosing wisely.

But, if he drops out early because he simply can’t get any traction in the polls and/or with fundraising, you need to have a back up from those likely to still be in the race which most likely will be just Perry or Romney (unless you live in one of the few early primary states)


32 posted on 09/24/2011 8:18:49 AM PDT by TexasFreeper2009 (Rick Perry 2012 !)
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To: TexasFreeper2009
...but he polls really low for some reason.

He's being purposefully ignored by the media.

In a news/video report just before the first debate, the CBS affiliate here in Nashville listed the participants with their images. They did not even mention Herman Cain's name. They are desperate to hide the fact that a black conservative exists in this world, much less in the election cycle.

33 posted on 09/24/2011 8:23:35 AM PDT by Tonytitan
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To: Safrguns
What are Cain’s negatives?

Lack of experience in government and politics.

Lack of knowledge or record regarding non-economic issues.

34 posted on 09/24/2011 8:24:25 AM PDT by rogue yam
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To: Rudder

My son was griping about this plan. The idea of paying 9% in income tax and an additional 9% in sales tax stuck in his craw.

My daughter broke it down like this:

On her last paycheck, she earned $415. She was actually paid $359. So she paid 13.5% in federal taxes. (With Cain, she’d pay less)

She’s trying to save up for a cheap, used car. If she saves that money, she won’t have to pay the 9% until she spends it. (She won’t pay anything in taxes for a used car - only if she buys new.)

I told him that I liked the plan because it rewards savers.

I then pointed out to him that he uses Coin Star to cash out his tips. He’s paying a 10% surcharge because he’s too lazy to count and roll his own money. I told him that, if 10% meant that much to him, he’d do it himself. (He’s now sworn off Coin Star.)

If Cain’s 9-9-9 plan is anything like the Fair Tax, the products will only be taxed at the retail level. this means that overall prices will go down and it may end up being a wash. (Plus the 9% corporate tax that’s passed on to consumers)

I love the simplicity of the plan.


35 posted on 09/24/2011 8:24:34 AM PDT by Marie (Heartless conservative)
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To: Marie

Sounds like he may have a gross/net knowledge problem. :->
He probably is already paying close to or even more than 9% in sales tax depending on where he is but that would bring income tax down. The good part is that with sales tax, you can control how much you pay through wise purchases or people can even barter if they feel the government isn’t spending their money the way they want versus just confiscated via income tax.


36 posted on 09/24/2011 8:27:48 AM PDT by mnehring
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To: trisham

Ref. your post #25.

It indicates to me he had wonderful, wonderful parents.

Thank you for your post.


37 posted on 09/24/2011 8:29:46 AM PDT by Gatún(CraigIsaMangoTreeLawyer)
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To: CAluvdubya

I agree. Seeing Cain be able to win this straw poll today would be a wonderful development in things.


38 posted on 09/24/2011 8:29:57 AM PDT by SteveAustin
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To: mnehring

isn’t that the truth?


39 posted on 09/24/2011 8:31:17 AM PDT by ken21 (ruling class dem + rino progressives -- destroying america for 150 years.)
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To: mnehring

I agree completely. It’s far past time that we start voting for candidates who are literally just like ourselves. There is only one candidate like that in the field right now. That person for me is Herman Cain.


40 posted on 09/24/2011 8:31:59 AM PDT by Danae (Anailnathrach ortha bhais beatha do cheal deanaimha)
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To: rogue yam

>>> Lack of experience in government and politics.

Anybody can gain “experience” as an elected executive.
Obama himself can now legitimately claim the “experience” you tout as so important.

Not everybody can claim executive experience that saves a multi-million corporation from bankruptcy.

>>> Lack of knowledge or record regarding non-economic issues.

Such as???


41 posted on 09/24/2011 8:35:01 AM PDT by Safrguns
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To: GatĂșn(CraigIsaMangoTreeLawyer)
It indicates to me he had wonderful, wonderful parents.

**************************

Agreed. He definitely comes from good stock.

While I am still a Sarah supporter, I have gradually changed my mind about Cain. I think he would be an excellent VP for her, or if she chooses not to run, an excellent Republican nominee for president.

He seems strong, capable, intelligent, and worthy of trust.

42 posted on 09/24/2011 8:36:04 AM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: TexasFreeper2009
"nothing, I love Cain, but he polls really low for some reason."

The "some reason" is that conservatives out in voter-land are still sitting around waiting for the "buzz" coming from the/any MSM. Doesn't matter which MSM outlet it comes from, just a good word from the "wizards of smart," telling the little folk which candidate has the gusto to beat Obama.

The gusto it takes to beat Obama is whomever we, the voters would believe would best serve as Prez.

As much as "we the people" dislike politicians, especially the professional ones, we believe that no one that has not spent decades wheelin' and dealin' in government deals, they're not good enough for our votes.

What our founders envisioned were "citizen legislators" not professional politicians who spent years making backroom deals, taking midnight votes, agreeing to special tax breaks for multi-million corporations - which don't favor US, they're NOT good enough, smart enough, savy enough, experienced to serve as Prez.

As Herman says, you've had that for years, "How's that workin' out for you?"

Indeed, how IS this working out for America??????

I say it's time to turn back the clock, time to find an honest guy/gal with guts enough to stand up to the "special interests (how do they become 'special interests' - some politicians give them favors)" and say NO, not only no but HELL NO!

If "all men(humans) are created equal" in the sight of God, why aren't we "created equal" in the sight of Washington?

43 posted on 09/24/2011 8:36:25 AM PDT by zerosix (native sunflower)
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To: kristinn

For all of those who love Romney and think the debates show he is our best candidate, I have to say that IMHO debating well does not a good president make. We have ample, if not daily, example of this. Romney is backing out of more things than he is supporting as far as small government, tea party ideals, family issues, etc. He seems to think that just denying things, whether true, or not, is enough to get the hounds off his tail. Well, I am glad that many writers are pointing out the obvious, that he may seem cool and collected in the Republican debates but he will fail at any debate with Obama. Obama will be able to show how much alike the two are and the Republicans will stay home on election day rather than vote for a white Obama.


44 posted on 09/24/2011 8:38:08 AM PDT by Shery (in APO Land)
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To: TexasFreeper2009

I’m not the only Texan who is rooting for Cain.


45 posted on 09/24/2011 8:44:59 AM PDT by bgill (There, happy now?)
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To: bgill

Herman Cain is something the liberal media just can’t tolerate...a Black man, who’s left the liberal plantation and who thinks for himself.


46 posted on 09/24/2011 8:47:48 AM PDT by Signalman
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To: Dengar01

Let’s back off a bit. Perry is not a Rino and Cain is great. If Perry comes out of the next debates with some redemption I would hope he and Cain would team up on Romney. It’s clear Bachman and Santorum are after Perry not Romney and Perry was the only one to mention Cain as a vp. Cain/perry Perry/Cain is good any way you slice it. Right now I back perry but if he falters Cain is my next choice.’


47 posted on 09/24/2011 8:48:12 AM PDT by normy (Don't take it personally, just take it seriously.)
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To: Safrguns
What are Cain’s negatives?

He's a pizza salesman.

48 posted on 09/24/2011 8:50:34 AM PDT by ExtremeUnction
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To: Iron Munro

>I love Cain, but he polls really low for some reason.
Obama is the reason.

He has poisoned the well.<

Herman Cain is so far away from Barack Obama it’s laughable. So what if Obama is black (well, 1/2 of him is)? Really, so what? Herman Cain is a good conservative and he would certainly be a heck of a better President than would Romney.


49 posted on 09/24/2011 8:50:50 AM PDT by Darnright (There can never be a complete confidence in a power which is excessive. - Tacitus)
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To: TexasFreeper2009

I live in Texas and I do not like Perry. (Might have something to do with the fact that I have a daughter.... and I own land...)

In his last election, we had to chose between Perry, KBH (Washington RINO) or a 9-11 truther. Not much of a choice.

If perry wins the nomination, I’ll be writing in Cain in the Primary. (... as it stands now. There’s still time for him to say something insane.)

I held my nose for McCain. I’m not holding doing it again. I’ll no longer be forced to chose between the lesser of two evils.


50 posted on 09/24/2011 8:51:49 AM PDT by Marie (Heartless conservative)
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