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Turkey seizes Syrian ship, announces arms embargo
Jerusalem Post ^ | 9/24/2011 | Unattributed

Posted on 09/24/2011 11:12:22 AM PDT by mojito

ANKARA - Turkey has seized a Syrian-flagged ship and will intercept any arms shipments headed to Syria, Prime Minister Tayyip Erdogan said late on Friday, a response to Damascus' bloody crackdown on anti-government protesters.

Speaking to reporters in New York late on Friday where he attended the UN General Assembly, Erdogan said Turkey had stopped a Syrian-flagged ship in Marmara, according to state-run Anatolia News Agency. It did not indicate whether the ship was stopped in the Sea of Marmara or the port of Marmara.

Erdogan did not say when the ship was seized or whether any weapons were found aboard.

"We have already made a decision to stop and prevent any vehicle carrying any type of weapon to Syria. We told them our decision as well as shared it with neighboring countries," Anatolia quoted Erdogan as saying.

(Excerpt) Read more at jpost.com ...


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; Russia; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: assad; china; erdogan; iran; russia; syria; turkey
Did Turkey just declare war on Syria?
1 posted on 09/24/2011 11:12:26 AM PDT by mojito
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To: mojito

In light of Turkey’s recent statements to Israel, this is almost amusing. Turkey seems to want to take on Israel and Syria is in the way.


2 posted on 09/24/2011 11:15:57 AM PDT by Ingtar (I closed my eyes, only for a moment, and the moment's gone...)
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To: mojito

“Casus belli” seems well defined.


3 posted on 09/24/2011 11:19:24 AM PDT by verity (The Obama Administration is a Criminal Enterprise.)
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To: Ingtar
Yes, it's almost as if Erdogan is starting to take is neo-Ottoman bluster seriously.

Then again, maybe he was serious all along. Maybe he's more of a fanatic than anyone suspected.

4 posted on 09/24/2011 11:20:17 AM PDT by mojito
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To: mojito

” Did Turkey just declare war on Syria? “

I seem to vaguely remember something about Israel overflying Turkish airspace with permission (or even staging out of Turkey?) when they clobbered Syria’s fledgeling nuclear facility, a few years back....


5 posted on 09/24/2011 11:20:30 AM PDT by Uncle Ike (Rope is cheap, and there are lots of trees...)
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To: mojito

Since Russians is Syria’s major arms supplier, and have a new naval facility going up, will Turkey stop Russian warships carying arms?


6 posted on 09/24/2011 11:20:55 AM PDT by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now it is your turn ...)
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To: mojito

Arms to Syria — bad; arms to Gaza — good (humanitarian aid).


7 posted on 09/24/2011 11:22:00 AM PDT by Pearls Before Swine
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To: PIF
I would assume that the “neighboring countries” in Erdogan’s statement refers to Russia and Iran.
8 posted on 09/24/2011 11:24:25 AM PDT by mojito
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To: Ingtar

The whole world is headed toward the Perfect Storm.


9 posted on 09/24/2011 11:30:14 AM PDT by unkus (Silence Is Consent)
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To: Pearls Before Swine

>Arms to Syria — bad; arms to Gaza — good (humanitarian aid).

Nice.

Maybe Israel can offer naval cover to Syria.


10 posted on 09/24/2011 11:38:33 AM PDT by ROTB (Christian sin breeds enemies for the USA. If you're a Christian, stop sinning, and spread the Word..)
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; ColdOne; Convert from ECUSA; ...

Thanks mojito.
Turkey has seized a Syrian-flagged ship and will intercept any arms shipments headed to Syria, Prime Minister Tayyip Erdogan said late on Friday, a response to Damascus' bloody crackdown on anti-government protesters.
...which has been going on for six months. Yeah, that's the real reason.


11 posted on 09/24/2011 11:58:14 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (It's never a bad time to FReep this link -- https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: mojito

Assumption yes, but if so, I’m sure the Russians had a good laugh...


12 posted on 09/24/2011 12:25:04 PM PDT by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now it is your turn ...)
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To: PIF

The enemy of my enemy is my friend.

Just because turkey no longer likes Israel, it doesn’t mean that their intel services aren’t talking. They been allies for years.


13 posted on 09/24/2011 12:41:53 PM PDT by EQAndyBuzz (Sarahcuda in 2012. Nothing but Net!!!)
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To: PIF

The 1936 Montreux Convention regarding the the Turkish Straits, which is still in force, gives the Republic of Turkey control over warships entering the straits but guarantees the free passage of civilian vessels in peacetime. The Turkish Straits are two narrow straits the Bosporus and the Dardanelles. Besides Turkey only Bulgaria, Georgia, Romania, Russia, and Ukraine have access to the black sea. The Turks could block them from entering the Mediterranean sea. Check mate.


14 posted on 09/24/2011 1:03:51 PM PDT by Colorado Cowgirl (God bless America!)
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To: Colorado Cowgirl
Check mate.

I'm not sure that even the US Navy could force those straits without nukes. The British in WWI sure couldn't.

15 posted on 09/24/2011 2:49:41 PM PDT by Mike Darancette (Psalm 109:8)
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To: Mike Darancette

You are right about the U.S. Navy. The majority of warships in the Russian Black Sea Fleet have been in service for over 30 years and would not be fit for sea missions. Some were built in 1966. The Turks are afraid they will move to The Syrian Port of Tartus, so back to Check mate.


16 posted on 09/24/2011 3:18:42 PM PDT by Colorado Cowgirl (God bless America!)
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To: mojito

Greece and Cyprus. Cyprus is doing exploratory drilling for oil and gas in an area very close to Turkey.


17 posted on 09/24/2011 3:25:04 PM PDT by GAB-1955 (I write books, love my wife, serve my nation, and believe in the Resurrection.)
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To: Colorado Cowgirl
Russia, and Ukraine have access to the black sea. The Turks could block them from entering the Mediterranean sea. Check mate.

With what? Erdogen et al have already backed down on earlier threats. The Turkish Army is fearsome, but the Air and Navy are jokes. The Russian naval forces in Sevastopol and Novorossiysk could easily obliterate ALL of Turkey.

Most of Russia's Western naval forces are based in Severomorsk and could do the job without entering the Bosporus.

The Bosporus is no impediment. And which Treaty has Russian honored in the past 50 years?

Det 4; Sinope, Turkey; 67-68

18 posted on 09/25/2011 4:26:17 AM PDT by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now it is your turn ...)
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To: EQAndyBuzz

Sometimes my enemy’s enemy is also my enemy. Just saying, now that Israel and Greece have actuated their mutual defense pact...

Those Israeli friendly intel guys in Turkey were purged along with the rest of the secular Attaturk military.


19 posted on 09/25/2011 4:32:50 AM PDT by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now it is your turn ...)
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To: PIF
The Bosporus strait is 17 miles long, maximum 1.85 miles wide, minimum width 0.38 mile wide between Kandilli Point and Aşiyan, the little Sea of Marmara in between, and the Dardanelles strait connecting to the Aegean Sea is 40 miles long, and from 1 to 4 miles wide. The Russian naval forces won’t be cruising thru at 30 knots. nor run this 60 mile gauntlet at night. Most of the ships are older than the men manning them. The Russian Air force is modern and formidable. But I think in such narrow confines, everything could go south real fast. The Turks could easily turn it into a turkey shoot. I just remember The battle of Tsu-shima, the naval battle fought between Russia and Japan was also in a small straight. The Russian naval forces are hardly invincible!
20 posted on 09/25/2011 8:32:21 AM PDT by Colorado Cowgirl (God bless America!)
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To: Colorado Cowgirl

As I said before, the Russians can use their (Atlantic Northwest) Northern Fleet to carry arms to Syria, making the point mute.

Any Turkish defenses, which hold up the Russians from using the Straits against Turkish wishes, would be pieces and parts long before the Russian ships actually enter the Straits.

There are currently over 40 ships-of-the-line in the Black Sea fleet, all of which are fully operational.

Capital ships include: Six from the 30th Surface Warships Division, four from the 68th Warships Brigade, four from the 41th Rocket Boat Brigade, five from the 295th Sulinsky Rocket Boat Battalion, nine from the 184th Brigade.

The Moskva alone could decimate any Turkish resistance.

Against the above: the Turkish Navy has (very old obsolete hand-me-downs) 19 frigates, 14 submarines, 7 corvettes and 108 fast attack craft (rubber/plastic runabouts). The eighth largest navy vs the second largest (and only slightly smaller the the current US Navy) = no contest.

Some Russian ships may be old and rusty, but their weapons work just peachy.

Besides which, the Russians are a huge building naval base in Lebanon (a Syrian client state), so how are the Turks going to tell which ships are carrying arms to be off loaded and which are not? Which arms are bound for Syrian forces and which are for port defense? The S300/400 systems already cover all of the Eastern Med, including Turkey

As for going south, I think you over estimate the Turks and under estimate the Russians. When it comes to Turk mil vs Russian mil, the Russians are for all practical purposes invincible.

The Turks would have a hard time stopping the Israelis if they wanted to enter the Straits, let alone the Russians.

Cheers

Det 4; Sinope, Turkey; 67-68 - where we made Russian space/mil business ours.


21 posted on 09/25/2011 10:53:43 AM PDT by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now it is your turn ...)
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To: PIF
Against the above: the Turkish Navy has (very old obsolete hand-me-downs) 19 frigates, 14 submarines, 7 corvettes and 108 fast attack craft (rubber/plastic runabouts). The eighth largest navy vs the second largest (and only slightly smaller the the current US Navy) = no contest.
The 14 submarines (Type 1200 and 1400) are hardly obsolete hand me downs. The 8 Meko 200 (Barbaros and Yavuz) are not obsolete either. It's brand new Ada corvette is a stealthy ship. And the 27 FAC missle boats are not a joke. And whereas we crippled our Perry Frigates, Turkey upgraded the G Class to carry 32 ESSMs in 8 VLS tubes.
22 posted on 09/25/2011 3:43:00 PM PDT by rmlew ("Mosques are our barracks, minarets our bayonets, domes our helmets, the believers our soldiers.")
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