Posted on 09/24/2011 11:42:06 AM PDT by Bokababe
I want to state at the outset that this essay is not intended to be an endorsement of Ron Paul. While I respect and admire many of his positions and his fidelity to the Constitution, I have strong misgivings about some of his stances on national security. If you could hear the debates between myself and my 20-year-old son, a passionate Ron Paul supporter, you would readily accept the sincerity of my disclaimer.
That said, as the political season has heated up, I've been surprised at the tone of the discourse as it relates to Ron Paul. In fact, I can hardly believe what I'm seeing and hearing from my fellow Tea Partiers and conservatives. My assumption that conservatives are more thoughtful and logical than my emotion-driven liberal friends has taken a bit of a hit....
(Excerpt) Read more at americanthinker.com ...
I must have misjudged you. Some degree of apology for #58 is being composed.
That's because we get such a kick out of watching Paul's acolytes get so predictably indignant. LOL
Hey, how 'bout that Florida straw poll today, eh? :-D
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Yes. Agreed. Completely.
I have no interest in corresponding with Paul. Imho, he’s an old crackpot.
I have to go. Good night! :)
No Ron Paul is the biggest NUTTER out there. He gets a few things right but the rest of his beliefs suck.
I love Black Elk's Paulrants. They're masterpieces! LOL
How DID I soooo misread your #5??? Mea culpa, mea culpa, mea maxima culpa! I am not yet sure of Rick Perry but I am definitely open to his candidacy. Other possibles would include Sarah Palin, Michelle Bachman, Rick Santorum and Herman Cain. Our primary is in March of next year so I have plenty of time to choose.
In any event, I have certainly done you an injustice and a disservice and for that I apologize and will go off to do my deserved medieval personal penance.
EVERYONE ELSE: My apology to Marty62 is certainly necessary. It also should be circulated as widely as the remarks towards him for which I am apologizing. Whatever I said about Romney persists but Marty62 did not deserve my treatment of Marty62.
Awww, shucks, thank you ma’am!!!
That is the point of the article. If we just angrily shout that they are not welcome in the GOP, they will conclude that they are not welcome. Alternatively, we can engage them at the same level of rational and professional discourse that we expect of everyone else and win a lot of them over. The author isn't asking us to compromise our principles; simply not to drive away people who agree with us 90% of the time.
You have got to be kidding me!
APPLAUSE!
Fine. Then pay for it - unfortunately that means taxes will have to go sky-high, or the US electorate will have to collectively mortgage the lives of its children and grandchildren (i.e., sell its children and grandchildren into slavery)...wait, we're already doing that!
Running an empire - official or unofficial - is a very expensive proposition.
Plus, while your government is in the business of figuring out how to control the lives of people beyond its borders, it might get interested in controlling the lives of people within their borders (like you) and forcing them to submit to its definition of "freedom" and "justice."
No, making the world safe for "freedom" and "justice" - what you have advocated, which is nothing less than what a well-known progressive named Woodrow Wilson advocated one hundred years ago, i.e., using the US military and other governmental machinery to "make the world safe for democracy" - doesn't actually make the world free or just. It, much like every other failed left-wing progressive initiative (see eugenics, the income tax, central banking, the EPA, the UN, Homeland Security, and student loans as good examples) in fact achieves the exact opposite of its stated objectives. But...it does feel nice at time, doesn't it?
This entire thread is a display of exactly why I - as one of those "stupid wet-behind-the-ears twenty-somethings" - have given up (mostly) on the Republican Party. (In actuality, I am unaffiliated with any political party - I think that the Founders were on to something when they warned their fellow Americans against the dangers of political factions.)
Too many Republicans whine and bitch about how government fails when it comes to things like student loans, environmental regulations, health care, retirement annuities, airport security, etc.
And, for the most part, they are correct.
The problem is that those same Republicans make a wide U-turn and argue that government must act when it comes to marriage, abortion, education, overseas terrorism, drugs, etc.
To be honest, it took me a lot of introspection, thought, and soul-searching to say what I'm about to say:
It's not the Federal government that's the problem here (for the most part).
It's Americans themselves.
The national cluster f- (pardon my language) that the US is in today is squarely the fault of...well, us, as a nation.
There's a saying that "the government you get is the government you vote for." Or that the government directly reflects the electorate.
Well, it's true.
The vast majority of Americans, irrespective of political stripes, have collectively agreed on one thing for over one hundred years, maybe longer: if there's a problem, government should do something to solve it.
It's taken me a while to realize that that one belief in particular *IS* the problem with the US today.
And it's a problem that government can't solve. It's a problem that Americans must solve for themselves, preferably before this country falls by its own sword - a sword named "democracy."
Ronald Reagan once said, "The most terrifying words in the English language are: 'I'm from the government and I'm here to help.'" And he was right. Too bad most Americans don't sincerely believe those words.
If you read my post in its entirety, you would realize I am NOT pushing for us to play world police UNTIL we get our financial house in order. We can’t play world police with borrowed money from foreigners.
If, and when, our economy is again prosperous, and our GDP approaches 50% of world GDP, that is when we will be again
in a position to play role of super power. Which means we are
decades away from playing that role.
No apology necessary.
I was just trying to point out that Romney is NOT a true Conservative. He will say or do anything to get a vote. Just like Zero did and continues to do.
“Many of Ron Paul’s supporters are anti-war, blame America first, stupid wet behind the ears twenty-somethings. They have a lot of growing up to do yet.”
In other words, they are Liberals. lol
“If, and when, our economy is again prosperous, and our GDP approaches 50% of world GDP, that is when we will be again
in a position to play role of super power. Which means we are decades away from playing that role.”
boy is that true.
People better start figuring out that it’s no more Mr/Ms nice guy for America. We are broke. If people want to go back to being Thy Brother Keeper, then they better get rid of Democrats FIRST.
You seem to have very little faith in the ability of the pro-life movement to make its case.
Do you think there are enough states to ratify a constitutional amendment guaranteeing the right to life??
I find it funny reading your passionate defense of Neo Isolationist Ron Paul in light of your tag line.
Paul would say to you "screw the Christan in Kosovo, they aren't our problem. It their own fault for living in the Muslim's land."
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