Skip to comments.Debunking the Perry Immigration Lie
Posted on 09/25/2011 1:57:43 AM PDT by TexasFreeper2009
Maybe Mitt Romney doesn't realize that nearly all of the rest of children of illegals had no choice in whether to live in Texas or not. If they were brought there by parents who were illegal--how is that the child's fault? Is Romney ready to charge those children with crimes? Mass deportations? Even Romney has not pledged to go that far.
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Good luck and I like you personally but I’m over Perry....another BUsh over mexicans
It’s not about deporting kids...it’s about them paying non resident tuition
I watched the debate....sad
Palin is nuttier than hell if she doesnt get in now if she wants it
Perry just opened the door wide for her and then threw himself under his own bus as a courtesy.....and I was prepared to support him
With Obamas numbers and our frontrunners having zero confection to the base it will never get any better for her
There is no hiding from the fact that signing and defending the Texas Dream Act then calling those who don’t approve “heartless” hurt him badly.
And there is no going back after ascerting such a firm belief in the act.
“Educating them gets them working and contributing to the state’s treasury faster, and is more meaningful than letting them sit on the sidelines.”
For an article that claims to set the record straight, here is one Big Lie.
The fact of the matter is that if they are illegal and they graduate from a Texas college, they are still an illegal alien and cannot legally gain employment in the US.
Would you like me to point out the other BS in your article?
Then by all means, encourage your candidate to start rounding up the childern of illegals for mass deportation at the school house doors!
“By refusing to enforce current immigration law, the Obama administration has made life for border states unbelievably difficult.”
If the writer of your article believes that the Obama administration was the first to refuse to enforce immigration laws, he is completely out of touch with reality.
Why would Kevin McCullough state an outright lie in his claim that once illegal aliens graduate from a Texas college that they would then be eligible to work in the State of Texas?
Is Kevin McCullough a liar or is he ill-informed?
“Then by all means, encourage your candidate to start rounding up the childern of illegals for mass deportation at the school house doors!”
how about this: don’t give them government goodies such as subsidized tuition.
“Its not about deporting kids...”
But it should be. This issue only comes up when the child wants to go to college at a state school — in other words, the “child” is no longer a child, but an 18 year old high school graduate who is now an adult choosing to break the law by living illegally in this country rather than returning to where they are actually citizens.
Perry and the legislature are wrong on this issue. They owed it to their taxpayers to take every opportunity to make life expensive and difficult for illegals, and certainly not spend any more tax dollars than absolutely required by the feds. Since the feds have tied the state’s hands on actual deportation, it is the state’s responsibility to encourage self-deportation. The feds require the state to provide K12 education to anybody who shows up, but it does not require in-state subsidized tuition rates, else out-of-state tuition rates themselves would be illegal. Hence the feds cannot be said to have forced TX hand and this failure of policy belongs solely to the TX legislature for passing it and Perry for failing to veto it.
Arguments that “they’re going to stay here anyway so we may as well educate them” makes as much sense as “they’re going to abuse drugs anyway so we may as well have government subsidize it.”
Kind of obvious that this is a shameless vote getter for Rick Perry. Pander to the Hispanic reconquistas by offering them instate rates on college tuition. You gutless Texans have just given up on that whole illegal thing. I was liking Rick Perry a lot better a few weeks ago.
Dick Durbin with his "Dream Act", Rick Perry is no different. This is a great incentive for even more illegal immigration. Giving them cheap college tuition. This is a magnet at least for those Mexicans who want college which is pretty few. Education is not highly valued in the legal and illegal Mexican community.
The more you pro-illegal Perry supporters post, the more you are rightly turning the majority of GOP voters against him as a presidential candidate.
You’re just helping to get the truth/message out and hastening voters coming to a sound decision against him as a candidate.
Rick Perry et al pander to Mexicans/Hispanics to get elected today. But at the same time they poison the well and eliminate chances for conservatives to win anything 10-15-20 years from now due to the flood of anchor babies eventually voting. We will end up with a few conservative states like Idaho, Nebraska and North Dakota while Democrats will be running every place else
Always the short time thinking. What is in it for me to win elections and screw those who come after me
1. Would you support giving them work visas after they graduate, so that their education isnt wasted?
2. If so, would you then support giving them Green Cards (permanent residency), which would lead to citizenship, so that they wont have to go home to lands they barely remember?
3. If so, should those whose parents couldnt afford to send them to college get the same privileges as those who went to college? Should we give US citizenship to anyone whos brought here below the age of 18 and goes to school in the US for three years?
Then there's this...
Federal law passed in 1996 prohibits illegal aliens from receiving in-state tuition rates at public institutions of higher education. Specifically, Section 505 of the Illegal Immigration Reform and Immigrant Responsibility Act of 1996 (Title 8, Chapter 14, Sec. 1623(a)) states: "an alien who is not lawfully present in the United States shall not be eligible on the basis of residence within a State (or a political subdivision) for any postsecondary education benefit unless a citizen or national of the United States is eligible for such a benefit (in no less an amount, duration, and scope) without regard to whether the citizen or national is such a resident."
To all the Illegal alien apologists...
What part if ‘illegal’ should we ignore? What other laws are OK to break “For the Children”?
This is far beyond the “heartless” thing Perry accused us of. As long as one American has to pay 1 cent to subsidize their presence here, that’s 1 cent too much. Don’t wait until they are in school. Deport them period. Their presence on this soil is a crime. It was a crime the nanosecond their parents dragged them across the border and it will remain so. Why let them get more ‘used to’ America? Let them grow up ‘acclimated’ to their own country.
I am through with the bleeding heart BS. Try sitting in pain with serious medical issues in an emergency room sometime while half of Mexico gets seen ahead of you.
Many LEGAL CITIZENS have and don’t try to deny it.
Try enjoying filling out papers at the morgue when an illegal killed someone you love in a DUI crash.
Many LEGAL CITIZENS have and don’t try to deny it.
Try filling out police reports on your stolen property when MS13 ‘children in school’ decided they needed your stuff more than you did.
Many LEGAL CITIZENS have and don’t try to deny it.
Try going to the unemployment office to apply for food stamps after a layoff and getting denied food for your family while more than 75% of the people in there are not even able to speak english, but their ‘children’ get the benefits you worked for and paid into (tax) your whole life.
Many LEGAL CITIZENS have and don’t try to deny it.
We have a border or we do not. If we do not enforce our border laws to the fullest extent then we are not a nation at all. How is it that we accept laws to ‘assist’ people who are not even LEGALLY here? Do you find this acceptable?
Yes or no?
Another Republican, considered a RINO today, did mass deportations. Know his name?
Too bad Perry couldn’t explain this during the debate.
Then Perry suggests that we "just don't have a heart".
No, we're just still looking for an honest man or woman who understands the seriousness of the situation and has a serious plan for dealing with it.
Perry isn't that guy. He's just another unctuous self-serving politician with a fluffy poodle haircut.
“Another Republican, considered a RINO today, did mass deportations. Know his name?”
Ike, the same person who thought touching social security was crazy. (what’s with these Ike quizzes?)
Dwight D Eisenhower ran “Operation Wetback”. He started deporting illegals in northern California and worked his way south. By the time he got to Arizonia all the illegals had already gone home; same for New Mexico and Texas.
I always love the way candidates who live nowhere near a border state can prance out and attack as “unrealistic” somebody who has been governor of the biggest border state of all. He’s also dealing with the immigration problems there in a way that seems to have the support of the people of Texas, since out of 181 legislators, only 4 voted against this plan.
I think he should have defended it better, but he probably was unprepared for the “spittle flying,” hatred-filled attacks over a question of state policy.
Some poster here said Perry threw himself under the bus. It seems to me that The United States of America has thrown TEXAS under the bus.
Our country, as Constitutionally required of the federal government, has not protected our borders. Our country has allowed illegal immigrants into our state, our cities, our towns. Not THEIRS, but ours.
We have had to take our own state money, OUR state money, and put towards doing federal government work to do as much as we can, taking money from our own state’s budget to lessen the damage our country has permitted to happen to us. Has any other state taken money out of THEIR state budget to put towards our Texas border security? No, they should not have had to, but neither should we. But we did. We took money we could have used for what we SHOULD have used it for in our state to at least do something to protect ourselves since our country would not do it.
Perhaps we would have benefited from more than what we could do ourselves, but then again, it wasn’t even our Constitutional job to begin with. It was our country who was supposed to protect us to begin with. It DIDN’T.
Our country has not given Texas any legal right to deport, even though our country has FORCED all these illegal immigrants upon us, and now we are forced to keep them. Put ‘em on the streets to create crime in our Texas cities and towns? Well, what do you expect? We are not allowed by law to deport them!
Oh, but it OUR streets you all will put them out on. Our TEXAS streets where our TEXAS children, the legal ones I’m talking about, won’t be free to go outside our home doors because of those illegal immigrants YOU GAVE US which you now tell us to throw out on the streets here in Texas. Oh, did I tell you yet WE CAN NOT DEPORT. WE ARE NOT ALLOWED TO. Oh, I did tell you. Perhaps you just forgot... AGAIN.
So we have them here, among us, and you know what... we would like to have a safe life here too in Texas. We don’t want them on our streets with nothing but cause to commit crimes upon Texans.
It would then seem like the only recourse we have is to round them all up and put them in our jails, and take care of them in our jails (and in all the other jails we’ll have to build now for all those millions of illegals you let in). Thanks alot, dear country. How much tax money will THAT cost us then? Does our country even CARE we have to do that? Do they CARE our country has thrown us under the bus and then made it worse by making us use tax-payer dollars of our own to put them in our jails and prisons?
Thanks a lot people.
Thanks a WHOLE lot for throwing Texas under YOUR bus and THEN chastising and punishing us because we are trying to do the best we could while you all drove all over us with your bus over and over and over again.
Next time, just protect us, please. You haven’t done so yet.
At 18, most college students are adults, These Mexican national student should apply like every other international student. Perry is a turkey, a burnt charred turkey.
A sheriff in most counties can deputize citizens. That’s how you can do a mass deportation. The legally residing, law abiding citizens can be requested to help find, document, and deport the illegals. It would be very cost effective to use volunteers.
Once it’s started in earnest, the rest will self deport. Build the Israeli style border wall behind them and tell them, if we want you, we will call you.
“If they were brought there by parents who were illegal—how is that the child’s fault? Is Romney ready to charge those children with crimes? Mass deportations? Even Romney has not pledged to go that far.”
Um...if a man steals, should we allow him to keep the money if he promises to spend it on his kids?
And no, Romney isn’t willing to deport illegals - but I am. Of course, according to Perry, that is because I’m a hate-filled Mexiphobic bigot...
and that's part of the reason real conservatives aren't thrilled with him either. Rick Perry sees a path to citizenship for illegals so I don't see a path to the republican nomination for him. call me heartless.
U.S. Constitution: Fifth Amendment
Procedural Due Process
Aliens: Entry and Deportation .—To aliens who have never been naturalized or acquired any domicile or residence in the United States, the decision of an executive or administrative officer, acting within powers expressly conferred by Congress, with regard to whether or not they shall be permitted to enter the country, is due process of law. 43 Since the status of a resident alien returning from abroad is equivalent to that of an entering alien, his exclusion by the Attorney General without a hearing, on the basis of secret, undisclosed information, also is deemed consistent with due process. 44 The complete authority of Congress in the matter of admission of aliens justifies delegation of power to executive officers to enforce the exclusion of aliens afflicted with contagious diseases by imposing upon the owner of the vessel bringing any such alien into the country a money penalty, collectible before and as a condition of the grant of clearance. 45 If the person seeking admission claims American citizenship, the decision of the Secretary of Labor may be made final, but it must be made after a fair hearing, however summary, and must find adequate support in the evidence. A decision based upon a record from which relevant and probative evidence has been omitted is not a fair hearing. 46 Where the statute made the decision of an immigration inspector final unless an appeal was taken to the Secretary of the Treasury, a person who failed to take such an appeal did not, by an allegation of citizenship, acquire a right to a judicial hearing on habeas corpus. 47
Deportation proceedings are not criminal prosecutions within the meaning of the Bill of Rights. 48 The authority to deport is drawn from the power of Congress to regulate the entrance of aliens and impose conditions upon their continued liberty to reside within the United States. Findings of fact reached by executive officers after a fair, though summary deportation hearing may be made conclusive. 49 In Wong Yang Sung v. McGrath, 50 however, the Court intimated that a hearing before a tribunal which did not meet the standards of impartiality embodied in the Administrative Procedure Act 51 might not satisfy the requirements of due process of law. To avoid such constitutional doubts, the Court construed the law to disqualify immigration inspectors as presiding officers in deportation proceedings. Except in time of war, deportation without a fair hearing or on charges unsupported by any evidence is a de nial of due process which may be corrected on habeas corpus. 52 In contrast with the decision in United States v. Ju Toy 53 that a person seeking entrance to the United States was not entitled to a judicial hearing on his claim of citizenship, a person arrested and held for deportation is entitled to a day in court if he denies that he is an alien. 54 A closely divided Court has ruled that in time of war the deportation of an enemy alien may be ordered summarily by executive action; due process of law does not require the courts to determine the sufficiency of any hearing which is gratuitously afforded to the alien. 55
Perry, you need to show you understand my view without calling me heartless. Voice some strong ideas you support. Tell me what views I have which are not heartless.
We have a set of rules set in place for a foreigner to become an American citizen. Millions through history have followed these rules to become legal citizens and have paid the price in time and effort to do so. They are proud citizens and assimilate into our society and obey the laws, language and customs of their new country. They have sacrificed to do so.
Now, we have criminals who say “to hell with law...who needs it.” The vermin come across our border like a flow of lemmings falling over a cliff. Milk and honey (crime and welfare) await for their picking once here. They bring their families and children with them and once here breed and produce more children like “spitting out wet watermelon seeds.” Free of cost of course.
Now, they (along with Politicians) want to go ahead of the line in the legal immigration process and bypass the need to actually comply with the immigration laws so that they can get the “milk and honey” without the fear of being deported.
Law is Law! It does not matter what age you are for the law applies to ALL regardless as to age. When they illegally crossed the border, both parents and children broke the law and need to pay the consequences. In many cases, the “children” were old enough to know damn well what they were doing.
Furthermore, how the hell did these “children” get into school without a Social Security number? Strange huh? Well, they were certainly breaking the law to get one!
How about Mommy and Daddy (if they knew who he was?) How the hell did they go to public school and blindly turn an eye to the fact that it was very apparent that the child and parents could barely speak English or none at all?
We must package up the whole illegal family and ship them back to Mexico (or where ever they came from) and give them the opportunity to apply LEGALLY for citizenship in our country like millions of law abiding, tax paying, and patriotic (new) Americans before them. No cutting in line.
This coddling of illegals without reprisals is killing our American heritage and society. We are watching another invasion of our country by illegal (and legal) Moslems (yes, that’s the original spelling) and their total disrespect of our culture and ways.
The United States is dying from a cancer that is eating it from the inside out...and that cancer is called illegal immigration and political immigration.
I will be dead and gone when it dies but it will surely die, for the medicine of law has been snatched from it’s citizens by Politically Correct government and politicans, and without it can’t be cured.
Rick Perry is one of those politicians who withholds that medicine along with others. He thinks with his heart...not his head.
Yesterday, I removed the bumpers stickers from my vehicles that supported Perry. They stated “Perry 2012 Be proud to be American Again.” I thought we had the one that would restore the American way but it was blatantly apparent that he was trolling for the Mexican vote all along and worse yet, stood up spoke his piece for illegals to get a piece of the American pie without any fear of being deported or being punished for breaking the law. That did it! As one old crusty lady politician in Texas once said of George Bush, “stick a fork in him, he’s done.”
Perry is done!
You make very good points which I hope Rick Perry or someone from his staff consulting Rick Perry understands.
Until the govt quits rewarding illegal behavior we will have no end to it.
There is nothing to set straight and there is nothing wrong with deporting illegals, they have broken the law. There I am still a heartless american.
Why is it every progressive gives us the false choice of the current out of control border OR mass deportations. Enforce the employment laws on the books, end sanctuary cities, end benefits other than basic medical (i.e. first aid) and you’ll achieve SELF DEPORTATION. Couple that with real security and in a generation you’ll have a viable country again. No more pressing #1 for English.
Fact: “Kids” going to college are adults.
Fact: Unless born here, children of illegal aliens are illegal aliens.
Fact: Anybody born in the US is a US citizen, so only their state residency determines tuition rates.
Fact: Many Mexican families send their 13-15 year old kids to live with aunts, uncles, brother, sister, or cousins in the US so they can get into a US high school and then into college.
Fact: Once they are old enough to go to college, they are old enough to be deported and go back home to wherever they were born.
Fact: opposing in-state college tuition discounts for adult illegal aliens is not ‘heartless’, its common sense, regardless of how many lawyers voted for it.
I’m totally disgusted with Perry’s view on illegals. Typical liberal mentality that when people break the law there shouldn’t be consequences. How much does it cost the state of Texas to tutor kids on English? What is Texas paying for free or reduced breakfast, lunch and dinners for these kids? Now in-state tuition? This argument of giving illegals in-state tuition is bogus unless you want to offer it to American children of other states. After all, you could say that it isn’t their fault their parents aren’t living in Texas. This is what globalization is all about and Perry better wake up and smell the coffee.
That being said, I’d vote for Perry. I would even vote for Romney at this point. But if I could get a Herman Cain that would be even better.
What a truck load of green wet BS.
Good lord, they just keep digging the hole deeper.
I only wish FedGov treated Illegal Aliens as badly as they treat tax “cheaters”.
Furthermore, how the hell did these children get into school without a Social Security number? Strange huh? Well, they were certainly breaking the law to get one!
You are correct that "Law is Law!", and the FEDERAL LAW is that states MUST provide education without proof of citizenship, residency, or any other documentation of immigration status.
It is a FEDERAL law which came about from a review of the 14th Amendment of the Constitution.
Plyler vs. Doe
- A Summary -
In 1982, the Supreme Court rules in Plyler v. Doe , 457 U.S. 202 (1982), that public schools were prohibited from denying immigrant students access to a public education. The Court stated that undocumented children have the same right to a free public education as U.S. citizens and permanent residents. Undocumented immigrant students are obligated, as are all other students, to attend school until they reach the age mandated by state law.
Public schools and school personnel are prohibited under Plyler from adopting policies or taking actions that would deny students access to education based on their immigration status.
Based on the Supreme Court's ruling, public school districts should consider the following practices in working with ELL students:
School officials may not require children to prove they are in this country legally by asking for documents such as green cards, citizenship papers, etc. They may only require proof that the child lives within the school district attendance zone, just as they might for any other child.
Schools should be careful of unintentional attempts to document students' legal status which lead to the possible "chilling" of their Plyler rights.
The following school practices are prohibited:
Barring access to a student on the basis of legal status or alleged legal status.
Treating students disparately for residency determination purposes on the basis of their undocumented status.
Inquiring about a student's immigration status, including requiring documentation of a student's legal status at initial registration or at any other time.
Making inquiries from a student or his/her parents which may expose their legal status.
Federal Program Requirements - Federal education programs may ask for information from parents and students to determine if students are eligible for various programs, such as Emergency Immigrant Education. If that is the case, schools should ask for voluntary information from parents and students or find alternative ways of identifying and documenting the eligibility of students. However, schools are not required to check or document the immigrant status of each student in the school or of those students who may be eligible for such programs. The regulations do not require alien registration numbers or documentation of immigration status.
Social Security Numbers - Schools should not require students to apply for Social Security numbers. If schools decide to pass out Social Security registration forms to assist the Social Security Administration, they must tell parents and students, in appropriate languages, that the application forms are merely a service and it is up to the parents and students whether the applications are actually filed. They should stress that schools will not monitor the filing of these applications. Additionally, schools should not require any student to supply a social security number.
School Lunch Programs - In order to qualify for Free or Reduced Lunch Programs, all applicants are required to furnish either of the two following types of information:
Social Security numbers of all household members over the age of 21, should they have one
For all household members above the age of 21 who do not have a Social Security number, an indication of the application that he or she does not possess one.
If a student or household members over the age of 21 do not have a Social Security number, "none" should be written in that space or another identifying number could be assigned by the school.
Parents and students should be reminded that the Family Educational Rights and Privacy Act (FERPA) prohibits any outside agency, including the Immigration and Naturalization Services (INS), from getting this information without obtaining permission from the student's parents or a valid court order.
School lunch programs are interested in determining household income, not in determining a student's legal status.
Communication with INS - Any communication to INS initiated by a school or school official concerning a specific student is prohibited. If parents and/or students have questions about their immigration status, school personnel should refer them to legal service organizations, immigrant rights organizations, or local immigration attorneys. They should not advise immigrants to go directly to INS offices without first getting proper advice from an attorney or immigrant rights advocate.
Requests for information by INS - School personnel are prohibited from cooperating with INS in any way that may jeopardize an immigrant students' right of access (with the exception of the administration of F-1 and J-1 visas). INS requests for information can only be released upon the presentation of a valid subpoena. All school personnel should be advised of this policy. If a subpoena is presented, it may be advisable to check with an attorney to properly check into the validity of the subpoena.
Requests by INS to enter a school - School personnel should not cooperate with INS in any manner that jeopardizes immigrant students and their right of access. The school principal should meet with INS officials in the front office with a credible witness present, deny the INS officials consent, and request to see a legal warrant. If a warrant is presented, the principal should determine that it:
Lists the school by its correct name and address
Lists students by name
Be signed by a judge
Be less than ten days old
Be served by an INS officer with proper identification.
To protect other students in the school, the principal should bring the INS officials to the office and request that they remain there while the named student(s) is brought to them. The principal should immediately inform the Superintendent and school attorney.
School District Personnel should always consult an attorney to clarify their duties and responsibilities under Plyler. This document is intended solely for guidance.
"Immigrant Students: Their Legal Right of Access to Public Schools. A Guide for Advocates and Educators" by John Willshire Carrera, Esq. National Coalition of Advocates for Students. Boston MA http://www.americanpatrol.com/REFERENCE/PlylerVDoeSummary.html
I was getting a bit nervous about Perry from all the Freeper trashing going on, then started finding out that most of his thoughts/actions make perfest sense in the imperfect situation the Feds have put America in - especially the border states.
Unless you desire to pretend our Federal Government has been protecting our borders, securing us as they should have been doing, and unless you desire to say our federal government has been doing their part deporting as they should have been doing all these years, then NO, it is not. However, if you want to pretend our federal government has been doing those things well and has been protecting us, then I would surmise it is you full of wet green BS.
So, you favor tuition discounts for adult illegal aliens? You also favor racial stereotyping where we should pander Hispanics by giving conferring the rights of citizenship onto illegal aliens? How very left-wing democratic of you.
We’re talking college, so we’re talking adults. We’re not talking about anchor babies, because they’re US citizens and don’t require special laws to receive in-state tuition. So, these are adult illegal aliens who get tuition discounts to pander to one ethnic group.
It’s true a supreme court decision prohibits public schools from checking immigration status of kids from K-12, but this doesn’t extend to college. There is no right to go to college. Colleges have entrance exams and requirements.
Anybody who qualifies can attend, but we’re talking about tuition credits.
So, who is blind to the facts?
Are they here legally? No? Do you choose to support illegal aliens over your fellow Americans?
No way round that little hurdle.
The first LAW they broke says if they come here without following our rules, they are here illegally. Lets address that one FIRST.
So ... why ARE you supporting illegal aliens over Americans on a Conservative website? Are you a citizen?
I don’t care how many people you deputize you still have tremendous costs involved in holding and transportation. There 252 counties in Texas with just a few of them on the border with others hundreds of miles away. The counties, many of which share jail facilities simply cannot afford it. As for the fence just where do plan on building it, on the US side or the Mexican side or maybe in the middle of the river? For those that live along the Rio Grande that’s their only source of water for farming and livestock, you going to shut them off. How about all the non border states pony up some cash and send it down here to help us out instead of sitting up there and complain about us not doing enough. We need people on the ground and the money to fund them just to protect the 1200 miles of border we share with Mexico. Once we stop the flow then we’ll need more people and money to ferret out the remaining illegals that are already within the border. Not only can we not afford it we shouldn’t even have to deal with it that’s the Fed’s job, but we still do.
I’m all for putting troops on the border, I can’t think of a better place for our troops to train in ground and air support than our 1200 mile border. Pull the Border patrol back and let them ferret the remaining and completely get rid of ICE, they’re nothing but a waste of money.
So, because the Fed is failing to do their job, we should give adult illegal aliens discounts to attend college? By extension, we should give them free housing, free medical care, free job training, free food, and all other benefits at state expense, because they are here?
I guess two wrongs make a right for you.
Hell yes. Take the whole family and send them all back, granny, chilrun and uncle jose.
If they have to be deported, the penalty will be that they can NEVER legally return.
Start the proceedings and they will head for the border on their own.
The wetbacks will be paying the coyotes to take them south.
Boy howdy. That’d be a switch, wouldn’t it?