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Sheriffs ditch Gov., get tough on immigrants (MA, Deval)
Boston Herald ^ | 9/25/11 | John Zaremba

Posted on 09/25/2011 5:09:36 AM PDT by raccoonradio

Three defiant Bay State sheriffs hell-bent on tougher immigration enforcement have taken an end run around Gov. Deval Patrick, traveling to Washington, D.C., to hammer out their own version of the Secure Communities program in a stinging rejection of the administration’s stand on illegals.

“The governor is out of touch on this issue, and he really and truly does not represent the interest of the people of Massachusetts on this issue,” Bristol County Sheriff Thomas Hodgson said. “We’re basically saying to the governor, ‘Look. You’re entitled to your position.’ But the governor doesn’t elect us. We represent the people of our counties who elect us to do our job — public safety.”

Hodgson, along with Plymouth County Sheriff Joseph D. McDonald Jr. and Worcester County Sheriff Lewis Evangelidis, bartered their deal late last week in a series of meetings with federal officials in Washington. They emerged with a deal that would, among other things, train county corrections officers to run the recently collared through Immigration and Customs Enforcement databases.

“It’s not Secure Communities, but it’s a perfect substitute,” said McDonald, whose friend and Plymouth County cohort, District Attorney Timothy J. Cruz, is fighting to extradite Luis Guaman, an Ecuadorian illegal who authorities say murdered a Brockton woman and her toddler son in February, then fled to his homeland hours later.

“I certainly hope we’re making our position clear to the public at large and reassuring them that we’re going to do our jobs,” McDonald said. “And I hope the governor is getting the message as well. We in public safety take this very seriously, and we’re going to get the job done.”

A spokesman for Patrick declined to comment on the sheriffs’ deal. It comes three months after the governor, through his public-safety secretary, told Homeland Security officials he would not enroll Massachusetts in the Secure Communities program. Immigrant advocacy groups had lobbied the governor to reject the crackdown, saying it could discourage immigrants from reporting crime and lead to racial profiling by police.

Secure Communities, which Boston police have used since 2006, requires police to run criminal suspects’ fingerprints through an immigration database to check whether they are in the United States legally, and it requires local agencies to share data on those suspects with immigration authorities. Mayor Thomas M. Menino has threatened to remove the city from the program unless it is limited to those accused of serious crimes.

The program will go into effect nationwide in 2013, but the sheriffs said there’s no reason to wait until then.

“We feel we want to start working with that information now, not a date that’s not imminent,” said Evangelidis. His jurisdiction includes Milford, where an Ecuadorian illegal was charged with drunken driving in a crash that killed a 23-year-old man last month. “I’m more convinced than ever that this is an exceptional tool for public safety that law enforcement in Massachusetts should have immediately.”


TOPICS: Miscellaneous
KEYWORDS: devalpatrick; securecommunities; sheriffs
>>Bristol County Sheriff Thomas Hodgson

He was great on Mystery Science Theater 3000, too.

(Kidding! That was JOEL Hodgson)

Sigh..if only we had a real liberal governor in Mass. A real liberal like....Rick Perry.

1 posted on 09/25/2011 5:09:43 AM PDT by raccoonradio
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To: raccoonradio; Andonius_99; Andy'smom; Antique Gal; Big Guy and Rusty 99; bitt; Barset; ...

Carr list ping


2 posted on 09/25/2011 5:10:13 AM PDT by raccoonradio
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To: raccoonradio

>>Immigrant advocacy groups had lobbied the governor to reject the crackdown, saying it could discourage immigrants from reporting crime and lead to racial profiling by police.

But they (illegals) matter more than we do, right?

>> Mayor Thomas M. Menino has threatened to remove the city from the program unless it is limited to those accused of serious crimes.

Mumbles, you IDIOT! Serious crimes ONLY? I guess that’s better than nothing but still...


3 posted on 09/25/2011 5:14:48 AM PDT by raccoonradio
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To: raccoonradio

Lets see how long it takes for someone to call the Sheriffs racists.
I don’t know about you, but I have become immune to being called a racist by the race-baiters in D.C. and the media.
I’ll get my just desserts in the ballot box, as I suspect many others will too.....


4 posted on 09/25/2011 5:19:07 AM PDT by AlphaOneAlpha
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To: raccoonradio

Let’s cut to the chase here, there are a large majority of illegals who are here and don’t give a damn about the United States, they don’t wish to share out culture, our history and they could care less about anything American.

They are here because their own country is corrupt to the point that the people there have few freedoms and little or no chance to better themselves especially economically.

No all, but good majority Mexican National come here to in a sense create a country within a country the ‘United States of Mexico’ one where they can live and thrive in the same history, culture and language of their homeland and yet not under the same corrupted government.

If there was a another country that border them that was just as successful as the United States where they could live and thrive in their own enclaves they would move there just as quick as they move here.

Yes not all are like that, but a good potion are and we can not have people coming into this country who are of a mindset that they merely wish to create ‘colonies’ of their home country within ours. Politicians like Perry, Bush and many other are allowing this colonization to the determent of our country.

History is full of the results where such behavior was allowed and eventually push came to shove and the results were ugly.


5 posted on 09/25/2011 5:19:34 AM PDT by Kartographer (".. we mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes, and our sacred honor.")
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To: raccoonradio

I can understand allowing Illegal Aliens into this country when unemployment is 4% and there’s help wanted signs everywhere (Don’t agree with it, but understand it). But when unemployment and underemployment is near 25%?


6 posted on 09/25/2011 5:21:00 AM PDT by MuttTheHoople (Democrats- Forgetting 9/11 since 9/12/01)
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To: raccoonradio
It is good to know the spirit of Lexington and Concord has not disappeared completely from the soul of Massachusetts.
7 posted on 09/25/2011 5:30:08 AM PDT by dog breath
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To: raccoonradio

8 posted on 09/25/2011 5:38:00 AM PDT by Diogenesis ("Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. " Pres. Ronald Reagan)
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To: Kartographer
...we can not have people coming into this country who are of a mindset that they merely wish to create ‘colonies’ of their home country within ours.

I travel through parts of Dallas TX and will not see one sign or any store front advertising that is not in spanish.

When I first moved here a bus driver jokingly asked me if I had my passport ready.

9 posted on 09/25/2011 5:50:43 AM PDT by ex91B10 (The only option now is mass resistance.)
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To: ex91B10

So - the Mexicans are “taking back” Texas and the Muslims are re-entering or re-taking Europe?


10 posted on 09/25/2011 6:15:38 AM PDT by RoadTest (Organized religion is no substitute for the relationship the living God wants with you.)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
Why Mitt is the man we need as president!!!

Do I need the /s ?

11 posted on 09/25/2011 6:55:00 AM PDT by Tribune7 (If you demand perfection you will wind up with leftist Democrats)
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To: raccoonradio
Sigh..if only we had a real liberal governor in Mass. A real liberal like....Rick Perry.

Relax, if Cain is the front-running you'll start seeing all the reasons listed as to why conservatives shouldn't vote for him.

And if Sarah gets in in the race you'll start seeing all reasons listed as to why conservatives shouldn't vote for her.

And if Christie gets in the race you'll start seeing all the reasons listed as to why conservatives shouldn't vote for him.

Romney vs Obama has been ordained, and it doesn't matter to the ordainers as to who wins that fight.

Of course, that's assuming that we conservatives are the puppets the ordainers think we are.

12 posted on 09/25/2011 7:03:53 AM PDT by Tribune7 (If you demand perfection you will wind up with leftist Democrats)
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To: raccoonradio

great work by three courageous elected officials.

all MA voters should be calling their own sheriffs to get on the wagon.


13 posted on 09/25/2011 7:20:43 AM PDT by bitt ( Obama is so unpopular now that the Kenyans say he was definitely born in Hawaii)
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To: MuttTheHoople
But when unemployment and underemployment is near 25%?

And half the population is on some sort of welfare.

The comments are great. Good to see some conservative sentiment coming from MA. I hope Scott Brown is reading them. the sob

14 posted on 09/25/2011 7:23:16 AM PDT by ladyjane
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To: Kartographer; raccoonradio
Let’s cut to the chase here, there are a large majority of illegals who are here and don’t give a damn about the United States, they don’t wish to share out culture, our history and they could care less about anything American.

They are here because their own country is corrupt to the point that the people there have few freedoms and little or no chance to better themselves especially economically.

That sounds exactly like the early Christian Europeans who crossed the Atlantic and founded this country. The persecution was too great, the lack of opportunity, and desperation pushed them across the sea at great personal peril. Once here, they did not assimilate with the natives but brought with them their own culture and ethic.

History is full of the results where such behavior was allowed and eventually push came to shove and the results were ugly.

One could argue that the Native Americans didn't care too much for the new immigrants, yet their conquerors gave them the wheel, the horse, ox and woven fabric (and welfare from then until eternity)

It all starts the same, but the conquerors then formed the Greatest Nation under God's Heaven eventually bringing global peace, health and prosperity to a savage world. Today's conquerors (Arabs in Europe, Latinos/Chinese in America) now seem to be restoring the natural world order to warlords, mayhem, disease, depravity, sloth and despair.

Cultures do matter and being a cultural bigot is natural and actually a very good thing. Unfortunately, the Western culture includes slaughtering its future figuratively with the profound debt and burdensome government and literally with abortion.

Demographically most of the "civilized" world is killing itself whereas the "savage" people are populating like guppies. Its hard to convince a fifty year old man to shinny up a ladder during a Texas summer to lay roof shingles and tar just as it is nearly impossible to talk a a overly-credentialed post-graduate "feminine studies scholar" to change bed sheets at the Holiday Inn because we killed off or welfarized that generation who would normally do those jobs.

So yes, the influx of illegals is going to be cultural death, but we are already killing ourselves in other ways. We have already decided to kill ourselves, the only question is do we want to drink poison, get shot, knifed or be bludgeoned to death (or any combination of the aforementioned).

15 posted on 09/25/2011 7:37:30 AM PDT by The Theophilus (Obama's Key to win 2012: Ban Haloperidol)
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To: dog breath; Mrs. B.S. Roberts

The spirit of Lexington and Concord certainly still exists in Massachusetts. Sadly though, NOT in the towns of Lexington and Concord.
Today’s officials in those towns would have arrested Paul Revere (but released the horse), confiscated the guns of the Minutemen, and sent riders to warn the Redcoats that the rabble was gathering on the Green.


16 posted on 09/25/2011 7:39:50 AM PDT by CaptainAmiigaf (NY TIMES: "We print the news as it fits our views")
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To: CaptainAmiigaf

Sadly, that is what has become of a once great State, now just Assachusetts.


17 posted on 09/25/2011 8:05:37 AM PDT by CodeToad (Islam needs to be banned in the US and treated as a criminal enterprise.)
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To: The Theophilus

Cultural balkanization will become more pronounced and those who live in the gated communities will eventually be told from Washington DC that there has been a “new deal”. It is only a question of in what language the announcement will come.


18 posted on 09/25/2011 8:57:12 AM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: The Theophilus

So your solution is to surrender and secede our sovereignty to Mexico? NO THANKS!


19 posted on 09/25/2011 9:21:57 AM PDT by Kartographer (".. we mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes, and our sacred honor.")
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To: CodeToad

Sadly, that is what has become of a once great State, now just Assachusetts.

Or, as I used to call it just before I left (Jean Francois Kerry and Ded Kennedy (D-HELL) were my inspiration); Massivetwoshits.


20 posted on 09/25/2011 1:58:07 PM PDT by jessduntno (Obama shanks. America tanks.)
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To: jessduntno

I once thought, hoped, that the pendulum would swing back the other way after a while and we would watch that State become conservative again. Guess not.


21 posted on 09/25/2011 5:37:41 PM PDT by CodeToad (Islam needs to be banned in the US and treated as a criminal enterprise.)
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To: CodeToad

I once thought, hoped, that the pendulum would swing back the other way after a while and we would watch that State become conservative again. Guess not.

No. The cast of characters is a crying shame. Murderers, pimps, gigolos, admitted thieves, child molesters...and they get re-elected time and again. There is no more corrupt place on the planet.


22 posted on 09/25/2011 7:01:52 PM PDT by jessduntno (Obama shanks. America tanks.)
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To: Kartographer

“No all, but good majority Mexican National come here to in a sense create a country within a country the ‘United States of Mexico’ one where they can live and thrive in the same history, culture and language of their homeland and yet not under the same corrupted government.”

I got news for them... our government is just as corrupt. The S will HTF sooner or later.


23 posted on 09/26/2011 5:20:27 AM PDT by ViLaLuz (2 Chronicles 7:14)
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To: RoadTest
So - the Mexicans are “taking back” Texas

Yeah, everything's bigger in Texas, including our hearts, for those of us who have one...[snicker]

24 posted on 09/26/2011 5:17:44 PM PDT by ex91B10 (The only option now is mass resistance.)
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To: Tribune7
Do I need the /s ?

When I saw who had written it, no, but I have seen some bizarre stuff around lately, so it's probably safer.

25 posted on 09/26/2011 5:49:13 PM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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To: Smokin' Joe
so it's probably safer.

I think you are right. I'll think I'll just play it real safe though and not crack any jokes about Mittens being president.

26 posted on 09/26/2011 8:05:49 PM PDT by Tribune7 (If you demand perfection you will wind up with leftist Democrats)
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To: Tribune7

Don’t want to tempt fate...(8^D)


27 posted on 09/26/2011 8:50:32 PM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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