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Saudi King gives women the right to vote
Agence France Presse/France24 ^ | September 25, 2011 | Staff

Posted on 09/25/2011 6:06:31 AM PDT by AnAmericanAbroad

Saudi King Abdullah announced on Sunday he was giving women the right to vote and run in municipal elections, the only public polls in the ultra-conservative Gulf kingdom.

(Excerpt) Read more at france24.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: kingabdullah; ksa; right; righttovote; saudiarabia; voting; women
A short article from AFP. Slowly but surely, progress comes to the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia.

Next thing you know, they'll be running for Mayor! I can just hear some of the more hardcore, traditionalist clerics screaming, "Allah save us!" Heh.

1 posted on 09/25/2011 6:06:36 AM PDT by AnAmericanAbroad
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To: AnAmericanAbroad

Nest thing they might get to drive their own cars...........


2 posted on 09/25/2011 6:09:57 AM PDT by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: AnAmericanAbroad

I smell an upcoming coronation


3 posted on 09/25/2011 6:11:05 AM PDT by InvisibleChurch (welcome dies irae)
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To: AnAmericanAbroad

“ultra conservative”


4 posted on 09/25/2011 6:11:19 AM PDT by ecomcon
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To: AnAmericanAbroad

If they can’t drive, how are they supposed to get to the polls...?


5 posted on 09/25/2011 6:12:16 AM PDT by mewzilla (Forget a third party. We need a second one.)
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To: AnAmericanAbroad

Well, at least they won’t have to worry about a voter-ID controversey in the Kingdom, unless they come up with some sort of personalized burkha eye-slits for the ID photos.


6 posted on 09/25/2011 6:14:23 AM PDT by Stosh
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To: AnAmericanAbroad

What is it about a king giving out voting rights which doesn’t sound right, or is it just me???


7 posted on 09/25/2011 6:14:53 AM PDT by steveshoveler
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To: mewzilla

They’ll walk. :)

Who knows.....maybe that’s the next reform!


8 posted on 09/25/2011 6:15:04 AM PDT by AnAmericanAbroad (It's all bread and circuses for the future prey of the Morlocks.)
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To: AnAmericanAbroad

Saudi women get to vote. Hmm. Give them fifty to seventy five years and they will be a socialist state just like us.


9 posted on 09/25/2011 6:16:19 AM PDT by Scotsman will be Free (11C - Indirect fire, infantry - High angle hell - We will bring you, FIRE)
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To: AnAmericanAbroad
I'll wait on this one.

My reasoning says ingrained misogyney (sp?) will rule out over any women's rights.

Even more devious (in my thinking) is some kind of event that will say, "See? We tried it and it didn't work .. puke residue akbar!"

10 posted on 09/25/2011 6:19:17 AM PDT by knarf (I say things that are true ... I have no proof ... but they're true)
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To: steveshoveler

The KSA is an absolute monarchy.

Remember your history....divine right of kings. A concept still taken seriously in some corners of the world. In Arabic culture, a king is a regent divinely appointed and ruling through the grace of God alone; used to be like that in European culture until maybe 200-300 years ago. The Saudi King is best described as combination of King and Pope (at least as far as the KSA is concerned; his religious writ doesn’t apply beyond their borders). And in Sunni, the real power is with the clerics, unlike Shi’a, where the power is with the Ayatollahs.


11 posted on 09/25/2011 6:20:24 AM PDT by AnAmericanAbroad (It's all bread and circuses for the future prey of the Morlocks.)
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To: AnAmericanAbroad
They’ll walk.

They'll walk only when accompanied by a male family member. They'll vote only when accompanied by a male family member, too. IOW, that gives the male family member his vote plus however many wives' votes. Vote early. Vote often.

12 posted on 09/25/2011 6:21:13 AM PDT by bgill (There, happy now?)
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To: AnAmericanAbroad

Might as well walk to Potemkin elections.


13 posted on 09/25/2011 6:21:13 AM PDT by mewzilla (Forget a third party. We need a second one.)
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To: AnAmericanAbroad

Clever. Give them the right to vote in rigged elections.

They’ll be kept at home by their husbands anyway! Or beaten and told how to vote!

It means NOTHING. It’s not a response to internal power by women, it’s a response to external criticism.

So expect to see some nice pictures of women voting sometime soon, but it means nothing.

LOL. Women freely beaten by their husbands, be divorced by the man for any reason, testimony counts as half a man, must dress in trash bags to cover the beatings, but they can vote in rigged elections.


14 posted on 09/25/2011 6:21:16 AM PDT by Christian Engineer Mass (25ish Cambridge MA grad student. Many conservative Christians my age out there? __ Click my name)
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To: mewzilla

If they can’t leave the house without a male member of the family to keep them from turning into raving slut-whores, how are they going to go vote? The men will just have to leave the house and not come back until the polls close.


15 posted on 09/25/2011 6:22:48 AM PDT by gop4lyf (Socialism is the political dream of the unachiever, the excuse maker, and the lazy.)
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To: AnAmericanAbroad
Argh. I should have posted faster. Everyone's missing the point that these elections are like the old Saddam Iraq elections.

"Elections" in muslim countries. LOL.

16 posted on 09/25/2011 6:23:24 AM PDT by Christian Engineer Mass (25ish Cambridge MA grad student. Many conservative Christians my age out there? __ Click my name)
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To: knarf
Perhaps, but King Abudullah has said he's committed to various reforms in the KSA. Very slowly, mind you. Because ya know, if they go too fast, the next thing you know, the womenfolk will be walking around like this in public; And then there's no telling what might happen!! :)
17 posted on 09/25/2011 6:23:50 AM PDT by AnAmericanAbroad (It's all bread and circuses for the future prey of the Morlocks.)
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To: gop4lyf

There you go.


18 posted on 09/25/2011 6:24:02 AM PDT by Christian Engineer Mass (25ish Cambridge MA grad student. Many conservative Christians my age out there? __ Click my name)
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To: Christian Engineer Mass

Additionally, to the best of my knowledge there are no political parties (as we would define them) existent in the Kingdom.

And as you said, it’s most likely a response to a lot of external criticism from many parts of the world.

On the other hand, I knew some Saudis in Berlin....the men were complaining that their wives were henpecking them, and there was nothing they could do about it. It reminds me of the classical stereotype that all Asian women are submissive to their husbands......yeah, right. More like the iron talon in the velvet glove, at least in my experiences in the Far East.


19 posted on 09/25/2011 6:29:09 AM PDT by AnAmericanAbroad (It's all bread and circuses for the future prey of the Morlocks.)
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To: AnAmericanAbroad
Wow, women rights jumped all the way from the 8th century to the 19th century in one day

One day they will get all the way to the 21st century

20 posted on 09/25/2011 6:30:47 AM PDT by Popman (Obama is God's curse upon the land....)
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To: Christian Engineer Mass

I honestly have no idea who they would vote for.

Saudis are a different type; knew a guy from Dubai, living in Prague with his wife, also from Dubai. She never wore a covering or headscarf, drove, went out with her lady friends. About the only difference between Mahmoud and Khadija from everyone else was they didn’t drink, and didn’t eat pork. Oh yeah, they were spectacularly rich, too! His dad’s a sheik if I recall correctly. They were westernized. They both spoke excellent Czech, too, far better than I can muster.
Needless to say, I don’t see that happening in the Kingdom (acting like Westerners), to be honest. At least, not for the next 600 years or so. But then again, my friends were from Dubai, not the KSA.


21 posted on 09/25/2011 6:36:37 AM PDT by AnAmericanAbroad (It's all bread and circuses for the future prey of the Morlocks.)
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To: AnAmericanAbroad

He’ll be sorry. Sixty percent of them consistently vote for the candidate who promises to take care of them. The Founding Fathers knew what they were doing.


22 posted on 09/25/2011 6:41:03 AM PDT by MNnice (Showing fresh signs of liberalitis, the strain of the orbital muscles due to excessive eye rolling)
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To: Popman
She'd get my vote! Hubba hubba!
23 posted on 09/25/2011 6:41:59 AM PDT by AnAmericanAbroad (It's all bread and circuses for the future prey of the Morlocks.)
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To: AnAmericanAbroad

What a lot of folks may not even be aware of is, that Saudi Arabia wasn’t even allowing or holding municipal elections at all until just very recently in April as part of the Family’s concern over the “Arab Spring”. There were Municipal polls for municipal councils in 2005, but that was the first time in over 40 years, and from 2005 until now nothing.

At the time of consideration for such polls, there was some discussion about allowing women to vote in the polls.

So this is all part of concerns and reforms to stem any possible activism in the Kingdom from Baathist types (Arab Socialists like Iraq had) and such.

However, one of the concerns some Saudi men have regarding the moves to begin opening up voting rights to women is, even though women wear the Hijab – in “conservative” black and covering most of their body except the upper nose, eyes, and eye brows – that their same wives (and yes girl friends) really like to wear “beads” (necklace of various beads like used in New Orleans, and also other types of jewelry including of course gold) under the garb … that way one can “hear the beads click” just showing “you’re cool” … And the concern express by some Saudi men is, opening up the vote to them will only mean that “they (women) will simply vote themselves beads …. Selfish and dangerous …”


24 posted on 09/25/2011 6:44:27 AM PDT by Brian_Baldwin
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To: MNnice

In that event, His Highness has nothing to worry about! Aside from being the King, he’s the Number 1 sugar-daddy in the whole Kingdom! The Royal Family doles out the money like there’s no tomorrow......keeps the peasants in bread and circuses.


25 posted on 09/25/2011 6:44:46 AM PDT by AnAmericanAbroad (It's all bread and circuses for the future prey of the Morlocks.)
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To: AnAmericanAbroad

Will the men just be allowed to appear at the polls and be given two ballots, one for the husband’s vote and the other to be filled out by the husband for the wife’s vote?


26 posted on 09/25/2011 6:45:53 AM PDT by fso301
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To: AnAmericanAbroad

Welllllp, Saudia Arabia will now add socialism to it’s woes.


27 posted on 09/25/2011 6:46:44 AM PDT by riri
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To: Brian_Baldwin

Good points. Regarding the jingly jewelry, I think there’s an injunction against that sort of thing in the Qur’an, if I recall correctly.

Just goes to show you, that outward displays of piety only serve to mask the hypocrisy in the heart.


28 posted on 09/25/2011 6:49:12 AM PDT by AnAmericanAbroad (It's all bread and circuses for the future prey of the Morlocks.)
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To: gop4lyf

The king’s offer is a crock. I got that.


29 posted on 09/25/2011 6:49:15 AM PDT by mewzilla (Forget a third party. We need a second one.)
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To: AnAmericanAbroad

Its a slippery slope. First you allow women to vote, then before you know it you’ll have firemen putting out the fire at girls schools rather than letting them burn with the girls inside because they are girls and it would violate sharia to save girls.

Its a slippery slope.


30 posted on 09/25/2011 7:02:08 AM PDT by barstoolblues (proud member of the sunzab itches club)
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To: AnAmericanAbroad

Jeez. What a bunch of “glass half empty” people. Does anyone realize just how significant something like this is in Saudi Arabia? Regardless of whatever parsing one can do with this, this is still a step in the right direction.


31 posted on 09/25/2011 7:30:54 AM PDT by Seruzawa (Hokey religions and ancient weapons are no match for good a blaster kid.)
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To: AnAmericanAbroad

Yes as you say Dubai is _very_ different.

“they were spectacularly rich”

This fact actually really angers me. Someone I know from college is from the region, and his father has a company who makes millions from the Saudis. So this guy just buys whatever he wants, houses, cars, whatever. They’re not saudi themselves, but still, their money froms from the saudi oil money that we give them. The same oil money they use to fund mosques all over America.

Anything to do with the saudis just makes me mad. We really shouldn’t buy a drop of their nasty oil. Islam is cancer, and we are paying for it to be transplanted into us.


32 posted on 09/25/2011 7:35:26 AM PDT by Christian Engineer Mass (25ish Cambridge MA grad student. Many conservative Christians my age out there? __ Click my name)
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To: Seruzawa

No it isn’t. Learn more.


33 posted on 09/25/2011 7:36:28 AM PDT by Christian Engineer Mass (25ish Cambridge MA grad student. Many conservative Christians my age out there? __ Click my name)
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To: steveshoveler

Nah, it’s not just you. Even the headline pissed me off.


34 posted on 09/25/2011 7:47:29 AM PDT by NYpeanut
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To: Seruzawa

I think people underestimate the significance of this event....it is a major step (in theory). What remains to be seen is how it’s put into practice.

But, as you said, it’s definitely a step in the right direction.


35 posted on 09/25/2011 7:53:06 AM PDT by AnAmericanAbroad (It's all bread and circuses for the future prey of the Morlocks.)
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To: Christian Engineer Mass

What can I say? Them’s the breaks. That region just happens to be sitting pretty on an exceptionally vital natural resource. It’s the way the cookie crumbles.

Sure, we should be using our own natural resources to lessen our dependence on their natural resources, but for a variety of factors, both political and economic, we don’t. Nothing changes until that fact changes.

Besides, in the past, Dubai’s principal export was pearls. So at least they have that. The Saudis? Not so much outside of oil, aside from religious tourism.


36 posted on 09/25/2011 7:58:09 AM PDT by AnAmericanAbroad (It's all bread and circuses for the future prey of the Morlocks.)
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To: AnAmericanAbroad

Not that much difference, “Ayatollah” is a clerical title, roughly comperable to “Archbishop”.


37 posted on 09/25/2011 8:27:06 AM PDT by reg45 (I'm not angry that Lincoln freed the slaves. I'm angry that Franklin Roosevelt bought them back.)
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To: AnAmericanAbroad

Us making the choice to boycott saudi oil would change that fact. It would force the oil companies to purchase elsewhere.

We can change ANYTHING we choose to change. Unfortunately, most people have a “cookie crumbles” mentality!


38 posted on 09/25/2011 8:29:16 AM PDT by Christian Engineer Mass (25ish Cambridge MA grad student. Many conservative Christians my age out there? __ Click my name)
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To: AnAmericanAbroad

Good PR move and a move in the direction of the modern world.

Next will be a law permitting them to leave the house so they can get to the polls.


39 posted on 09/25/2011 9:07:06 AM PDT by wildbill (You're just jealous because the Voices talk only to me.)
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To: Scotsman will be Free

LOL! I agree women should not vote! Gotta think with your brain!


40 posted on 09/25/2011 9:34:18 AM PDT by PROTESTBYPROXY (The Silent Majority is roaring!!)
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To: mewzilla

Moderates who support the king will vote and have their women vote for him. Hardliners will vote or only use bombs while their women stay home.
The King gets to look like he’s moving in a direction of liberalism and democracy while improving his preferred outcome in the theoretical democratic elections they hold.


41 posted on 09/25/2011 9:54:22 AM PDT by tbw2
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To: AnAmericanAbroad

You are right about asian women. They rule the roost.


42 posted on 09/25/2011 1:30:03 PM PDT by Scotsman will be Free (11C - Indirect fire, infantry - High angle hell - We will bring you, FIRE)
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To: mewzilla

They all have drivers silly


43 posted on 09/25/2011 1:35:46 PM PDT by bert (K.E. N.P. +12 ....Rats carry plague)
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To: AnAmericanAbroad
Saudi King Abdullah announced on Sunday he was giving women the right to vote

Well, there goes the kingdom........

44 posted on 09/25/2011 1:38:38 PM PDT by Hot Tabasco (ui)
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To: AnAmericanAbroad
Saudi King Abdullah announced on Sunday he was giving women the right to vote

There's nothing in the article that says they're going to be counted........Keep the faith my brother!

45 posted on 09/25/2011 1:41:51 PM PDT by Hot Tabasco (ui)
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