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Illegal Immigration Collapse
Wall Street Journal ^ | 9/24/11 | editors

Posted on 09/25/2011 10:11:11 AM PDT by Eva

To listen to the recent Republican Presidential debates, you'd think illegal immigration was the biggest threat to the U.S. economy—not to mention to the rule of law, our social fabric and national security. We hate to spoil the political reverie, but the real immigration story these days is how many fewer illegal migrants are trying to get into the land of the free.

That's the news from the Department of Homeland Security, which reports that border apprehensions have dropped to their lowest level in nearly 40 years. For fiscal 2010, arrests were 463,000, down from 724,000 in 2008—a one-third decline in two years.

(Excerpt) Read more at online.wsj.com ...


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I'm posting this for all the hypocritical Paulers who are trying to use immigration as the red herring to bait and divide conservatives, to help Ron Paul.

The fact is that Ron Paul is an open borders guy and the Paulers don't care a bit about in-state tuition. I guess they don't care about Social Security or Obamneycare, either. They just want to divide and conquer, but the truth is that they are helping Mitt Romney.

1 posted on 09/25/2011 10:11:15 AM PDT by Eva
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To: Eva

There are only two candidates out there with extensive experience in creating a good environment for business. Herman Cain and Rick Perry. I guess those who are foaming at the mouth about immigration don’t really care if the country swirls around the toilet bowl, I guess they think we will continue to pay their unemployment, not working is easier then getting a job. Why not let China become our overlords.


2 posted on 09/25/2011 10:17:54 AM PDT by McGavin999
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To: Eva

I read the editorial yesterday in the WSJ. I get PO’ed every time I read about how “agriculture can’t fine enough workers” so they need illegals. How about, instead of paying Americans to sit on their a$$ collecting welfare, food stamps and unemployment, send them out to the farms to EARN their keep.

It’s ridiculous - we pay Americans to stay home while employing people that shouldn’t even be in this country. That’s not even to mention the taxpayer-funded free ride they get on top of their under-the-table wages. Enough is enough - deport, shoot, do whatever but GET THESE INVADERS OUT OF MY COUNTRY.

/rant...


3 posted on 09/25/2011 10:18:20 AM PDT by meyer (We will not sit down and shut up.)
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To: Eva

As I don’t subscribe , I can’t read the whole thing. If it’s at all honest, the editorial will have to take up the question of whether negative tropism ( i.e. the desire to escape butchery in Mexico) will replace positive ( U.S. economic opportunity) in the migrations ( among a # of considerations, like whether the Arizona law is a deterrent).


5 posted on 09/25/2011 10:21:44 AM PDT by gusopol3
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To: McGavin999
Are you seriously arguing that wide-open immigration of Latin Americans is the preferable alternative to Chinese hordes?

No Mexican immigration = Chinese hordes?

You seem to assume the borders will remain open. That employers and politicians will continue to keep the gates jammed wide open in spite of the People's clearly stated desire to stop the illegals.

6 posted on 09/25/2011 10:21:48 AM PDT by lentulusgracchus (Concealed carry is a pro-life position.)
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To: meyer
The wall street journal is full of crap, there is fourteen different government programs that are for the purpose of part time agriculture help. It is all BS, put out by the chamber of commerce and the amnesty crowd, they want free labor and Joe citizens money to clean up the mess.
7 posted on 09/25/2011 10:24:16 AM PDT by org.whodat (Just another heartless American, hated by Perry and his fellow democrats.)
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To: Eva

Why Aren’t Political Leaders Happy About Less Illegal Entry into the United States?

http://www.forbes.com/sites/stuartanderson/2011/09/25/why-arent-political-leaders-happy-about-less-illegal-entry-into-the-united-states/

In a Saturday editorial, the Wall Street Journal asked why aren’t politicians happy - or noticing - illegal entry into the Untied States appears to be much lower than at any time in recent memory?

The Wall Street Journal reports, “In the first 11 months of fiscal 2011, through August, U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement reports that apprehensions were 316,458, well below last year’s level.” As noted by the Journal’s editorial, this is a decline from 2008, 2009 and 2010.

The numbers are even more significant when compared to the year 2000, when apprehensions along the border exceeded 1.6 million. In other words, compared to a decade ago, illegal entry to the United States has fallen by nearly 80 percent.

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As discussed in earlier columns, at best E-Verify is likely to push more work “off the books” and underground, while at the same time creating a burden for U.S. workers, new regulations and increased liability for employers.


8 posted on 09/25/2011 10:25:23 AM PDT by Clairity ("The United States needs to be not so much loved as it needs to be respected." -- VP Dick Cheney)
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To: Eva

The decline is due to the fact this administration is not enforcing immigration law. The numbers can go down for more than one reason and some aren’t good reasons.


9 posted on 09/25/2011 10:25:37 AM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I'd like to tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.)
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To: Clairity

I believe that the article does mention that.

It’s a fact that most of the anti-immigration/anti-Perry articles on FreeRepublic are posted by Libertarians. I do a check every time one is posted.


10 posted on 09/25/2011 10:26:41 AM PDT by Eva
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To: Clairity; Cincinatus' Wife; patriot08; smoothsailing
Perry, Perry, Perry

Jobs, jobs, jobs

Perry, Perry, Perry,

Jobs, jobs, jobs

Don't need no steenking issues

Just do my job, job, job

And I'm happy, happy, happy

To do my job, job, job

Don't need to worry-worry

On my job, job, job

Vote for Perry, Perry, Perry

For my job, job, job.


That about get "the vision thing"?

11 posted on 09/25/2011 10:27:26 AM PDT by lentulusgracchus (Concealed carry is a pro-life position.)
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To: meyer
GET THESE INVADERS OUT OF MY COUNTRY.

EXACTLY! They used to be called migrant workers. Now they migrate one way. They come here and stay here. They crank out babies like there is no tomorrow and WE PAY for it. They do in fact get on the dole in every way shape and form. I know a mexican woman who quit her 10.00/hour job so she could go home and get paid by the state 2000/month to baby sit her own grandchildren because there are so many of them under the guise of low income "day care".

These 30 million, not 11 million, are planting a devastating demographic time bomb that will go off in 1 generation and MUST be stopped and reversed! We will be a permanent socialist republic if this is not dealt with!

/rant

12 posted on 09/25/2011 10:27:26 AM PDT by blasater1960 (Deut 30, Psalm 111...the Torah and the Law, is attainable past, present and forever.)
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To: meyer

Great rant! Clearly some folks cannot understand the math.... If employers hire illegals as 5 percent of their work force, that equals less jobs for Americans. I am routinely near the border, lots of those jobs could be American jobs... But employers would then be forced to pay FICA and SS. Seems like reducing the costs of hiring Americans would work best.


13 posted on 09/25/2011 10:28:40 AM PDT by momincombatboots (Look out Left Coast, we are coming and we have Bibles and Guns! LOL)
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To: McGavin999

I agree. I like Herman Caine, as well. I haven’t heard him give a bad answer, yet.

Of course, he has not been distracted by extraneous attacks on issue of little importance.


14 posted on 09/25/2011 10:28:59 AM PDT by Eva
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To: Clairity

Immigration is a jobs issue since several million illegal aliens are taking American jobs and the rest are using up social safety net benefits needed by Americans.


15 posted on 09/25/2011 10:29:39 AM PDT by tbw2
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To: Eva

A Labor Shortage? One common argument for not doing anything about illegal immigration or even for offering illegal immigrants amnesty is that there is a shortage of the type of labor provided by illegal immigrants. But if there was a shortage, then wages and employment should be increasing as employers try desperately to recruit new workers and retain the workers they already have. As already discussed, however, the opposite has been happening. Employment and wages have declined for the less-educated. Thus, there is no empirical evidence of a labor shortage. The only evidence of a labor shortage comes from employers of low-wage workers.

Jobs American Won’t Do? Another common argument for tolerating illegal immigration is that immigrants only do jobs that Americans don’t want. There are two fundamental problems with this argument. First, there are no jobs done only by immigrants. Of the 465 civilian occupations, only four are majority immigrant. These four occupations account for less than 1 percent of the total U.S. workforce. Most of the jobs often thought of as predominately immigrant jobs, are in fact overwhelming done by native-born Americans. For example, the American Community Survey from 2005 to 2007 showed that 55 percent of maids and housekeepers are U.S.-born, as are 58 percent of taxi drivers and chauffeurs, 63 percent of butchers and meat processors, 65 percent of construction laborers and 75 percent of janitors.8 It is simply makes no sense to argue that no Americans want such jobs when, in fact, most of the people doing this type of work were born in the United States.

The second problem with the argument that no Americans want these jobs is that wages, benefits, and working conditions have an enormous impact on the desirability of a job. If there really are jobs that Americans will not do at a given wage, then employers can improve compensation or working conditions to attract more workers. We can raise wages in low-wage sectors of our economy, secure in the knowledge that this will not spike inflation because the bottom of the labor market accounts for such a tiny fraction of total economic output. Employers who want access to cheap labor may argue forcefully that they need the workers, but the fact remains that improving compensation and working conditions is the primary way they should deal with this problem. They can also adopt different recruitment strategies or offer non-wage inducements to attract and retain workers, such as providing transportation or more flexible work hours. Allowing the free market to work in this way could significantly improve the labor market prospects for some of the working poor.


16 posted on 09/25/2011 10:30:57 AM PDT by kabar
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To: lentulusgracchus

Jobs ARE the most important concern.

BUT Perry is also strongly pro-life, pro-2nd amendment, pro-small government, pro-spending cuts, pro-low taxes, pro-border security, pro-few regulations, anti-EPA, anti-Obama - not afraid to call Obama the socialist he is.

Is that not enough for you?


17 posted on 09/25/2011 10:31:06 AM PDT by Clairity ("The United States needs to be not so much loved as it needs to be respected." -- VP Dick Cheney)
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To: Clairity
I'm sorry, your idea that only 4% care is just wrong. The man has been booed loudly in two different debates by the GOP base, I think you might want to think this melt down almost everyone on the conservative side is talking about is real instead of sticking your head in the sand.

He's toast and frankly deserves it for being so arrogant.

18 posted on 09/25/2011 10:31:27 AM PDT by Lakeshark
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To: McGavin999

Problem is not legal immigration, it is illegal immigration. Majority of illegals are under-educated. They cost billions every year in welfare of some form from tax payers.

We have benefited immensely from legal immigration based on qualifications and our needs, such as Dr. Werner Von Braun,
and millions of doctors, engineers, programmers and technicians.

Finally you are right about Perry & Cain being better than other candidates for promoting business growth. However Perry’s position on rewarding illegal immigrants $100,000 for each Texas university students flunks him for me.


19 posted on 09/25/2011 10:32:22 AM PDT by federal__reserve (Peace through strength has worked better than peace via appeasement in history.)
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To: meyer

Meyer, you fail to recognize that it is the job of the federal government to deport the illegals and if the federal government refuses to do its job, those illegals are here to stay.

It’s called making the best of a bad situation.


20 posted on 09/25/2011 10:32:36 AM PDT by Eva
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To: Eva

Department of Homeland Security, which reports that border apprehensions have dropped to their lowest level in nearly 40 years

That is the problem!! Apprehensions!! Just means the Dept. of Homeland Security isn’t doing it’s JOB!! NOT that there are fewer criminals. Yes..CRIMINALS..


21 posted on 09/25/2011 10:33:24 AM PDT by Gadsden1st
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To: Eva
That's the news from the Department of Homeland Security, which reports that border apprehensions have dropped to their lowest level in nearly 40 years. For fiscal 2010, arrests were 463,000, down from 724,000 in 2008—a one-third decline in two years.

Obviously there are other reasons why border apprehensions could be down.

I've had enough of the WSJ coming in on the wrong side of this issue.

22 posted on 09/25/2011 10:34:22 AM PDT by FreeReign
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To: kabar

“We can raise wages in low-wage sectors of our economy, “

Who is this “we”? Many businesses cannot afford to pay more, because they operate on very low profit margins. If they paid higher wages, they’d be out of business and ALL their workers would become unemployed.


23 posted on 09/25/2011 10:34:52 AM PDT by Clairity ("The United States needs to be not so much loved as it needs to be respected." -- VP Dick Cheney)
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To: Eva
"To listen to the recent Republican Presidential debates, you'd think illegal immigration was the biggest threat to the U.S. economy..."

That's because it is...one of them, anyway.

"That's the news from the Department of Homeland Security, which reports that border apprehensions have dropped to their lowest level in nearly 40 years."

And the WSJ trusts Nappy Ho's numbers? Sheesh...

Scouts Out! Cavalry Ho!

24 posted on 09/25/2011 10:35:29 AM PDT by wku man (Who says conservatives don't rock? http://www.bigdawgmusicmafia.com)
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To: lentulusgracchus
That about get "the vision thing"?

What are you talking about?

25 posted on 09/25/2011 10:35:33 AM PDT by smoothsailing
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To: federal__reserve
However Perry’s position on rewarding illegal immigrants $100,000 for each Texas university students flunks him for me.

Would you care to explain how they are being rewarded $100,000? They have to pay their own tuition, they can not get federal or state loans to help with their tuition they have to pay it themselves or get someone to sponsor them. They have to have been in state for 3 years (paying the property taxes and sales taxes) as opposed to US citizens from out of state who get the same thing for only being in the state for 1 years.

26 posted on 09/25/2011 10:36:04 AM PDT by McGavin999
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To: Eva
I don't care how many fewer illegals are coming here! I care about the Tens of Millions already here!

If the government admits to 12 million illegals here, it is 50 million or more! If there's one button on my control board to nix a candidate, it is immigration. I have no sympathy for their tuition-needy children, their public trough parents, their grandparents or any of their relatives. I want them out of my country, period! How hard is that to understand?

27 posted on 09/25/2011 10:36:18 AM PDT by Gaffer
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To: Eva

Does anyone really believe anything the Department of Homeland Security has to say? They lie through their teeth by direction of the Secretary of the Department of Homeland Security.

The number of arrests are down because they just don’t arrest anymore. They detain and release.


28 posted on 09/25/2011 10:39:14 AM PDT by Crazy ole coot (obama was born a brit and is not a Natural Born Citizen)
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To: Eva

The mexicans have 4 1/2 percent unemployment. The USA has 9% unemployment.

Why is itthat the USA has to take mexican illegals.

Heck if we returned the productive trained middle class mexicans with their money — back to mexico — they would have a revolution in that country that would do them some good.

As it is, we’re only returning the trained criminals— in their thousands—which is progressively destabilizing Mexico.


29 posted on 09/25/2011 10:40:55 AM PDT by ckilmer (Phi)
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To: kabar

Look, an illegal nanny in California was making $20/hour before the recession. That’s tax free.

Why do you think that so many families in CA were hiring illegals to work in their homes instead of legal workers? -—because no legal workers applied for the job. Of course the legal worker would not have been paid $20/hr, because the employer would have lowered the pay to make up for the employer share of payroll taxes.

In the Seattle area, stores cannot hire clerks for less $13/hr. People would rather collect unemployment or welfare. Target was hiring people from another county and paying someone to drive them an hour away and paying the employees for their travel time because no one near Seattle wanted the job.


30 posted on 09/25/2011 10:41:25 AM PDT by Eva
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To: Clairity

I don’t consider immigration my most important issue, but that doesn’t mean it is unimportant or that I’d support an open borders candidate. Already we’re seeing that congress is unable to pass something as simple as E-Verify...there shouldn’t be any debate about that. All employers should use this easy system to verify that people who they are paying are in fact working here legally.


31 posted on 09/25/2011 10:42:02 AM PDT by MSF BU (YR'S Please Support our troops: JOIN THEM!)
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To: Eva

This will not save Rick Perry. Big Sis runs Homelame Security now. I don’t believe a word she says.

She considers conservatives more of a threat than illegal aliens.

I wish some of you would stop it. My sides hurt from laughing.


32 posted on 09/25/2011 10:42:10 AM PDT by dforest
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To: Lakeshark

Ron Paulers pack every debate venue. You know that.


33 posted on 09/25/2011 10:42:38 AM PDT by Eva
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To: Eva

To listen to the recent Republican Presidential debates, you’d think illegal immigration was the biggest threat to the U.S. economy—not to mention to the rule of law, our social fabric and national security.

It is a great security threat and destabilizing our country! The other lie is that there is only about 12 million illegals when there is probably closer to 30 million!


34 posted on 09/25/2011 10:42:38 AM PDT by tallyhoe
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To: Eva

The Ron Paul people are right about illegal immigration.

If the illegals are legalized and the demographic shift continues apace— Texas is going to go the way of California —followed by Florida.

At which point republicans will be effectively shut out of national politics.


35 posted on 09/25/2011 10:42:42 AM PDT by ckilmer (Phi)
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To: Clairity
pro-border security

From what he's said in the debates, I don't know how you can reach that conclusion.

36 posted on 09/25/2011 10:43:04 AM PDT by Future Snake Eater (Don't stop. Keep moving!)
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To: Eva

The Wall Street Journal is known for its belief in the rule of law as it relates to strong border security policies.

Oh wait....


37 posted on 09/25/2011 10:43:31 AM PDT by Comparative Advantage
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To: tallyhoe

see post 35


38 posted on 09/25/2011 10:43:37 AM PDT by ckilmer (Phi)
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To: Eva

Debunking the Perry Immigration Lie

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2783520/posts


39 posted on 09/25/2011 10:43:46 AM PDT by Clairity ("The United States needs to be not so much loved as it needs to be respected." -- VP Dick Cheney)
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To: Eva
No Way, Jose (No Se Puede!) by 10 Pound Test

Scouts Out! Cavalry Ho!

40 posted on 09/25/2011 10:44:14 AM PDT by wku man (Who says conservatives don't rock? http://www.bigdawgmusicmafia.com)
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To: McGavin999

That $100,000 is based on difference between in-state tuition versus out of state tuition. Son/daughter of an illegal immigrant is still illegal. To favor them over legal US citizens from other states is asinine.


41 posted on 09/25/2011 10:44:45 AM PDT by federal__reserve (Peace through strength has worked better than peace via appeasement in history.)
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To: Eva

“That’s the news from the Department of Homeland Security,”

Fantastic...straight from the words of she-male Janet “the mexican border is safe” NUTtylitano. Don’t they have another Gibson Guitars to harass?


42 posted on 09/25/2011 10:44:49 AM PDT by max americana (FUBO NATION 2012 FK BARAK)
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To: Future Snake Eater

Perry on Border Security

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2783122/posts

Governing Principle

There can be no homeland security without border security, and there can be no higher priority than protecting our citizens.

While our focus begins with preventing the worst of the violence currently raging in northern Mexico from spilling over into the United States, the violence is only part of the destruction that can result from a porous border. The free flow of drugs, weapons and people resulting from inadequate security can undercut economic development, education and trade. As such, they can hurt Texas families in every way imaginable, from loss of jobs to the loss of family members to addiction, imprisonment or death.

Border security is a federal responsibility but a Texas problem, and Texas has invested hundreds of millions of state dollars in efforts to support and supplement security forces already in place. Still, this is a problem that will only be solved with more federal accountability and involvement.

Highlights

— Starting in 2005 with Operation Linebacker, the state has sought to provide funding, manpower and equipment to local law enforcement agencies operating along the Texas-Mexico border.

— The state’s latest operation, Border Star, builds on the successes of previous operations with unprecedented local, state and federal law enforcement coordination. With the assistance of the 80th and 81st Legislatures, the State of Texas has been able to appropriate more than $110 million each session to fund and amplify these efforts.

— In response to a rising tide of gang violence in Texas communities, the Governor allocated $4 million in criminal justice grants to cities across the state to increase patrols of gang hotspots. In 2009, Gov. Perry worked to secure more than $10 million in state funding for enhanced anti-gang efforts during the 2010-11 biennium.

— In September 2009, Gov. Perry announced the formation of highly-skilled Ranger Recon Teams — which include Texas Rangers, Texas National Guard Counterdrug forces, Highway Patrol and DPS Aviation assets — in order to address threats building in the unincorporated areas along the Texas-Mexico border.

— Since early 2009, Gov. Perry has repeatedly called on Washington to authorize the deployment of 1,000 Title 32 National Guard soldiers to the Texas-Mexico border to support border security operations currently underway. (see letter to President Obama, letter to Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano and request to Defense Secretary Gates)

—Gov. Perry has also recommended an expeditious deployment of unmanned aerial vehicles to provide real-time surveillance and intelligence to law enforcement on the ground.


43 posted on 09/25/2011 10:45:07 AM PDT by Clairity ("The United States needs to be not so much loved as it needs to be respected." -- VP Dick Cheney)
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To: Clairity
pro-border security

No, he isn't.

44 posted on 09/25/2011 10:45:09 AM PDT by lentulusgracchus (Concealed carry is a pro-life position.)
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To: Eva
Meyer, you fail to recognize that it is the job of the federal government to deport the illegals and if the federal government refuses to do its job, those illegals are here to stay.

It’s called making the best of a bad situation.

It's called "pandering to a minority" - how is stealing the tax dollars from American citizens to fund the college education of people that shouldn't even be in this country considered "making the best of a bad situation"?

Perry's running for President - if he wins, he WILL be in the federal government. His defense of the indefensible as governor doesn't bode well for him straightening out the fed's actions on illegals.

Frankly, if we as a country were to stop coddling them, most would leave anyway. They have NO RIGHT to the fruit of a citizen's labor, but they come here, steal our jobs, collect welfare, section 8 housing, free medical care, free K-12 school, and a free pass if they commit a crime. All at the taxpayer's expense. THAT needs to end, and THAT is what RINO PERRY should be stating.

What part of ILLEGAL don't these stupid repubLICKans understand?

45 posted on 09/25/2011 10:46:25 AM PDT by meyer (We will not sit down and shut up.)
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To: Clairity

It’d cost Texas a heck of a lot less, overall, if they just put a $1000 bounty on every illegal’s head. You’d see a mass run for the border, going the other way.


46 posted on 09/25/2011 10:47:52 AM PDT by meyer (We will not sit down and shut up.)
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To: lentulusgracchus

Ricky LaRaza, Ricky LaRaza...

Is he more of a illegal Mexican lover or Muslim lover??


47 posted on 09/25/2011 10:47:57 AM PDT by Comparative Advantage
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To: MSF BU

E-verify is NOT “the magic answer”.

See my post 8 with exerpt from Forbes:

“As discussed in earlier columns, at best E-Verify is likely to push more work “off the books” and underground, while at the same time creating a burden for U.S. workers, new regulations and increased liability for employers.”

Instead of trying to make employers immigration enforcers, we need to seal the border. Perry wants to do that, by surveillance and “boots on the ground”. An unsupervised fence is not effective.


48 posted on 09/25/2011 10:49:25 AM PDT by Clairity ("The United States needs to be not so much loved as it needs to be respected." -- VP Dick Cheney)
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To: McGavin999
There are only two candidates out there with extensive experience in creating a good environment for business. Herman Cain and Rick Perry.

Texas was one of the few states to benefit from W's horrible economic policies that led to commodity price inflation. Other than that, Perry is just another politician "with a heart" who'll say anything to get elected.

49 posted on 09/25/2011 10:49:49 AM PDT by Moonman62 (The US has become a government with a country, rather than a country with a government.)
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To: Gaffer

The federal government is in charge of deportation. Educating young people who are already here and whom the federal government refuses to deport is called, “Making the best of a bad situation.”


50 posted on 09/25/2011 10:55:05 AM PDT by Eva
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