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Hillary In 2012? Two Scenarios Expose Democratic Disarray
FoxNews ^ | September 26, 2011 | Michael Goodwin

Posted on 09/26/2011 6:14:13 AM PDT by maggief

With poll after poll showing President Obama’s prospects sinking along with the economy, wild scenarios suddenly pop up in conversations. Some Democratss, for example, believe there is a small but growing chance the president will pull a Lyndon Johnson and decide not to seek re-election.

Then there’s the perennial Hillary guessing game. Actually, there are two Hillary guessing games.

The first, and more likely, is that the secretary of state would switch jobs with Vice President Joe Biden and take his place on the ticket. The White House denied that idea when it initially emerged, saying Obama already told Biden he wanted him to run for a second term and the veep accepted.

But that was months ago, before Solyndra and other scandals appeared and the economy fell off a cliff and took Obama with it.

The second Hillary scenario mentioned is that she would challenge Obama in a primary. She quickly spiked that one, telling friends no Democrat could win the general election without the black vote, and so even a successful primary challenge would lead to her defeat in November.

That convinced me the door was closed on 2012. But then Bill Clinton surfaced last week, and the former president pushed the Hillary door open a crack by saying some decidedly unflattering things about Obama’s various proposals to raise taxes and cut the deficit.

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TOPICS: Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: bho2012; hillary2012

1 posted on 09/26/2011 6:14:15 AM PDT by maggief
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To: maggief

If Dems had half a brain, they’d run with Hillary-—why stick with Obama?


2 posted on 09/26/2011 6:18:34 AM PDT by Rudder (The Main Stream Media is Our Enemy---get used to it.)
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To: maggief

Lucky for the DEMS, the GOP is in disarray as well.


3 posted on 09/26/2011 6:19:28 AM PDT by Huck (But the glass IS half-empty!)
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To: maggief

It did seem that BJ was opening the door for a Hillary challenge, but then, BJ went golfing with The One over the weekend. Maybe, BJ was advising The One that he cannot win reelection with his approval now in the 30s.


4 posted on 09/26/2011 6:21:07 AM PDT by TomGuy
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To: maggief
Dems dumping Obama for Hilary has been my worst nightmare. She is only marginally more qualified and only slightly less liberal than Obama, but if she was to be the Dem nominee, she would be a very formidable candidate and the same gullible fools who bought Obama would probably line up behind her.

The only real negative for Democrats is the negative reaction within the black community. They might not forgive the Democrats for dumping Obama and stay at home in the election.
5 posted on 09/26/2011 6:23:08 AM PDT by Sudetenland (There can be no freedom without God--What man gives, man can take away.)
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To: maggief

At this point I would even take Bill back. (He DID leave us with a balanced budget)

But we would need another Newt in Congress to make it happen- and Boner is no Newt


6 posted on 09/26/2011 6:24:18 AM PDT by Mr. K (Palin/Bachman 2012- unbeatable ticket~!!!)
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To: Huck
Lucky for the DEMS, the GOP is in disarray as well.

Yep.

In the MSNBC debate, Williams and Co tried to get the GOP wannabes fighting amongst themselves. MSNBC failed.

CNN had better luck and got them firing shots. FoxNews got them to continue sniping at each other.

So far, the Media have been winning the GOP debates, as the GOP contenders shoot each other in the foot.


7 posted on 09/26/2011 6:24:36 AM PDT by TomGuy
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To: maggief

The statistics say they have to support Obama. Heard money ain’t rolling in like it did the last time.


8 posted on 09/26/2011 6:26:57 AM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: TomGuy

I don’t think the MSM has anything to do with it. The quality of the candidates is the issue.


9 posted on 09/26/2011 6:29:01 AM PDT by Huck (But the glass IS half-empty!)
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To: Sudetenland
The only real negative for Democrats is the negative reaction within the black community.

Two points:

10 posted on 09/26/2011 6:29:26 AM PDT by TomGuy
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To: maggief

Even in the general election, Hillary would have to run against liberalism.

It’s all been tried, and it has all failed under Obama.

How does she garner the socialist Dem base, let alone the black vote? Does she defend Keynesianism and Obama care?

I don’t think she runs in a political climate that’s not good for any Democrat.


11 posted on 09/26/2011 6:29:54 AM PDT by wayoverontheright
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To: maggief

Deal was struck with ham hocks and zero during the primary 2008 and the Clinton/zero golf outing resently. It was to seal the deal. The progressive movement is a slow paced patient transformation. Ham hocks agreed to get some foreign policy experience aside from just being the former presidents wife so she could corner the market and have one up on all the GOP contenders. Zero was to break ground. I believe he will bow out due to ficticious health reasons Bubba will set him up at the UN so he could be president of the world, ham hocks will run and promise to set things straight and rally the independents. She is doing much of what Palin seems to be doing waiting for the opportunity. Ham hocks will enter the race soon after Palin does.


12 posted on 09/26/2011 6:31:01 AM PDT by ronnie raygun (V)
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To: Rudder
"If Dems had half a brain,"

They'd be libertarians!

13 posted on 09/26/2011 6:32:13 AM PDT by Redleg Duke ("Madison, Wisconsin is 30 square miles surrounded by reality.", L. S. Dryfus)
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To: Huck
he quality of the candidates is the issue.

I have agreed with that since GHWB ran.

This is the best you [GOP] got: GHWB, Dole, GWB [2nd term disaster], McCain?

Too much sour milk and too little cream.
14 posted on 09/26/2011 6:33:24 AM PDT by TomGuy
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To: Mr. K
At this point I would even take Bill back. (He DID leave us with a balanced budget)

Yes, but there were budgetary tricks, including some games with Social Security, shortening the maturity of Treasury debt, spending the "peace dividend." And, he also left us with an enraged Al Qaeda after the aspirin factory bombing and let Osama live even when he was in our sights.

15 posted on 09/26/2011 6:34:45 AM PDT by Pearls Before Swine
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To: TomGuy
All true, but many within the black community are buoyed by Obama's being President. They would experience a natural emotional deflation if he was to step aside for any reason.

I do not think they would turn out in support of any other candidate as they did for Obama. Even given the disenchantment, there is an emotional pull that Obama has and that no white candidate could duplicate. The only question is, would that be crippling for the Dem alternative?
16 posted on 09/26/2011 6:35:57 AM PDT by Sudetenland (There can be no freedom without God--What man gives, man can take away.)
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To: Sacajaweau
Libs don't seem too happy ...

Actress Barbra Streisand is seen in the crowd as she listens to President Barack Obama deliver remarks at the Clinton Global Initiative in New York, Wednesday, Sept. , 21, 2011.

17 posted on 09/26/2011 6:46:24 AM PDT by maggief
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To: maggief

40% of the country will vote for anyone with a (D) after their name on a ballot. Democrat strategy then is to pick up an additional 11% through moderates. This won’t work this time. So, they have to run their candidate(s) in the Republican party. Their candidate(s) will talk tough on finances and be easy on morality. The idea is to dishearten the social conservatives and allow the Democrat to win.


18 posted on 09/26/2011 6:53:02 AM PDT by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: Pearls Before Swine

yeah, but still...

a balanced budget- (sort of) as opposed to this $1.4Trillion PER YEAR monstrosity.


19 posted on 09/26/2011 6:56:26 AM PDT by Mr. K (Palin/Bachman 2012- unbeatable ticket~!!!)
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To: maggief

If the dems ran Hillary, they would most definately have to work something out with Obama to save the black vote. Either have him drop out for family reasons or whatever, but to gain the black vote, he’d have to endorse hillary or something. It would all rest on Obama whether Hillary would stand a chance.


20 posted on 09/26/2011 7:00:13 AM PDT by justice14 ("stand up defend or lay down and die")
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To: Rudder

Cause if the dems dump the “magic Negro”,
They risk alienating the millions of blacks who
vote dem regardless if Jesus Christ were
On the ticket running as a pubbie


21 posted on 09/26/2011 7:03:50 AM PDT by Joe Boucher (Majo)
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To: maggief

Goodwin says Hillary and Biden will switch jobs like all they have to do is reprogram their limo’s gps. Replacing a VP requires a vote of both houses of Congress, or did we forget that in 1976 neither POTUS or VP had been elected by the people or electors.


22 posted on 09/26/2011 7:08:54 AM PDT by xkaydet65 (IACTA ALEA EST!!!)
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To: maggief

Did she just swallow something?


23 posted on 09/26/2011 7:12:18 AM PDT by WellyP (REAL)
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To: ronnie raygun

Why do you call her hamhocks when most of us still prefer
the more respectful “Her Thighness”?
Your scenario is interesting, I must say, but
as another poster just said , the current atmosphere is not good for ANY Dem. 3 years ago the Dems decided to shunt her aside and in a grand and futile gesture of overreach, roll the dice on a TRUE radical, who was just stupid and untested enough to think he could both push and rationalize an Agenda the likes of which we’ve never seen. That project, by anyone’s estimation, failed. Republican obstructionism is still being tried out as an explanation for that, ——it’s still playing well, but to an ever-diminishing audience.Hillary’s time has come and gone. I think she’s seasoned enough to know a primary challenge by her would be a bigger roll of the dice than the Dems rolling the dice on Obama.


24 posted on 09/26/2011 7:15:19 AM PDT by supremedoctrine
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To: xkaydet65

I think they mean that Hillary could become Obama’s running mate in 2012 as the VP nominee, not that Biden and Hillary would switch jobs right now. You’re right, doing that right now would require a vote of Congress. The speculation I had heard was that Hillary becomes the VP nominee for the 2012 election, and assuming they win, then Biden gets appointed as Sec. of State after the election.


25 posted on 09/26/2011 7:23:44 AM PDT by Dilbert San Diego
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To: supremedoctrine

Not long ago, Hillary said that she has no interest in running for elective office again. She said that she will leave as Sec. of State at the end of Obama’s term, whether he gets re-elected or not.

Bill said that Hillary wants to be a grandmother more than she ever wanted to be president.

Can you imagine a politician saying that they are not going to run for office, then changing their mind and running??? (sarcasm)

Certainly a Clinton would never say things to mislead people about their true intentions would they??? (more sarcasm)


26 posted on 09/26/2011 7:27:22 AM PDT by Dilbert San Diego
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To: Rudder

They have to implement the strategy to dump him without alienating the black community.
That may be starting,OLD Maxine Waters has fired the first salvo since obumbos speech at the
black caucus. Makes you wonder why Obumbo used the phrase take off you slippers and get out and march,is he attemtingbto help his demise?


27 posted on 09/26/2011 8:08:04 AM PDT by ballplayer
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To: Dilbert San Diego

I believe obama must be forced out some way—
1. assassination would do it (Killed by some racist Tea Party Person best) Turn him into a tin saint.
2. Health problems—like Teddy K.
3. Complete scandal might do it too. Forced to resign by evil Tea Party Republicans.
4. Hillary would be “forced” to run “for the good of the nation”-—she could win and get the black vote too.

I don’t think any of these will happen—Obama and his arrogance will doom the Democrats to a certain defeat in the election. The whole party will be tossed out and with it the progressives. I believe that would be the best thing for the nation.


28 posted on 09/26/2011 8:45:19 AM PDT by Forward the Light Brigade (Into the Jaws of H*ll)
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To: Mr. K
At this point I would even take Bill back

How bad is Obama that he makes Hillary! look conservative, and seasoned FReepers pine for the good 'ol days of Bill?

29 posted on 09/26/2011 8:58:56 AM PDT by wbill
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To: Sudetenland
The only real negative for Democrats is the negative reaction within the black community. They might not forgive the Democrats for dumping Obama and stay at home in the election.

That's why I think the Dems will pull a Lautenberg, as they did in New Jersey. Biden will be given an offer he can't refuse - perhaps a job that requires tact, like the State department. :-)

Hillary steps in and the Kool-Aid drinkers would embrace the concept, figuring eight more years after obama (if the Hispanic demographics hold up).

30 posted on 09/26/2011 10:47:53 AM PDT by Oatka ("A society of sheep must in time beget a government of wolves." –Bertrand de Jouvenel)
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