Skip to comments.Hillary In 2012? Two Scenarios Expose Democratic Disarray
Posted on 09/26/2011 6:14:13 AM PDT by maggief
With poll after poll showing President Obamas prospects sinking along with the economy, wild scenarios suddenly pop up in conversations. Some Democratss, for example, believe there is a small but growing chance the president will pull a Lyndon Johnson and decide not to seek re-election.
Then theres the perennial Hillary guessing game. Actually, there are two Hillary guessing games.
The first, and more likely, is that the secretary of state would switch jobs with Vice President Joe Biden and take his place on the ticket. The White House denied that idea when it initially emerged, saying Obama already told Biden he wanted him to run for a second term and the veep accepted.
But that was months ago, before Solyndra and other scandals appeared and the economy fell off a cliff and took Obama with it.
The second Hillary scenario mentioned is that she would challenge Obama in a primary. She quickly spiked that one, telling friends no Democrat could win the general election without the black vote, and so even a successful primary challenge would lead to her defeat in November.
That convinced me the door was closed on 2012. But then Bill Clinton surfaced last week, and the former president pushed the Hillary door open a crack by saying some decidedly unflattering things about Obamas various proposals to raise taxes and cut the deficit.
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If Dems had half a brain, they’d run with Hillary-—why stick with Obama?
Lucky for the DEMS, the GOP is in disarray as well.
At this point I would even take Bill back. (He DID leave us with a balanced budget)
But we would need another Newt in Congress to make it happen- and Boner is no Newt
The statistics say they have to support Obama. Heard money ain’t rolling in like it did the last time.
I don’t think the MSM has anything to do with it. The quality of the candidates is the issue.
Even in the general election, Hillary would have to run against liberalism.
It’s all been tried, and it has all failed under Obama.
How does she garner the socialist Dem base, let alone the black vote? Does she defend Keynesianism and Obama care?
I don’t think she runs in a political climate that’s not good for any Democrat.
Deal was struck with ham hocks and zero during the primary 2008 and the Clinton/zero golf outing resently. It was to seal the deal. The progressive movement is a slow paced patient transformation. Ham hocks agreed to get some foreign policy experience aside from just being the former presidents wife so she could corner the market and have one up on all the GOP contenders. Zero was to break ground. I believe he will bow out due to ficticious health reasons Bubba will set him up at the UN so he could be president of the world, ham hocks will run and promise to set things straight and rally the independents. She is doing much of what Palin seems to be doing waiting for the opportunity. Ham hocks will enter the race soon after Palin does.
They'd be libertarians!
Yes, but there were budgetary tricks, including some games with Social Security, shortening the maturity of Treasury debt, spending the "peace dividend." And, he also left us with an enraged Al Qaeda after the aspirin factory bombing and let Osama live even when he was in our sights.
Actress Barbra Streisand is seen in the crowd as she listens to President Barack Obama deliver remarks at the Clinton Global Initiative in New York, Wednesday, Sept. , 21, 2011.
40% of the country will vote for anyone with a (D) after their name on a ballot. Democrat strategy then is to pick up an additional 11% through moderates. This won’t work this time. So, they have to run their candidate(s) in the Republican party. Their candidate(s) will talk tough on finances and be easy on morality. The idea is to dishearten the social conservatives and allow the Democrat to win.
yeah, but still...
a balanced budget- (sort of) as opposed to this $1.4Trillion PER YEAR monstrosity.
If the dems ran Hillary, they would most definately have to work something out with Obama to save the black vote. Either have him drop out for family reasons or whatever, but to gain the black vote, he’d have to endorse hillary or something. It would all rest on Obama whether Hillary would stand a chance.
Cause if the dems dump the “magic Negro”,
They risk alienating the millions of blacks who
vote dem regardless if Jesus Christ were
On the ticket running as a pubbie
Goodwin says Hillary and Biden will switch jobs like all they have to do is reprogram their limo’s gps. Replacing a VP requires a vote of both houses of Congress, or did we forget that in 1976 neither POTUS or VP had been elected by the people or electors.
Did she just swallow something?
Why do you call her hamhocks when most of us still prefer
the more respectful “Her Thighness”?
Your scenario is interesting, I must say, but
as another poster just said , the current atmosphere is not good for ANY Dem. 3 years ago the Dems decided to shunt her aside and in a grand and futile gesture of overreach, roll the dice on a TRUE radical, who was just stupid and untested enough to think he could both push and rationalize an Agenda the likes of which we’ve never seen. That project, by anyone’s estimation, failed. Republican obstructionism is still being tried out as an explanation for that, ——it’s still playing well, but to an ever-diminishing audience.Hillary’s time has come and gone. I think she’s seasoned enough to know a primary challenge by her would be a bigger roll of the dice than the Dems rolling the dice on Obama.
I think they mean that Hillary could become Obama’s running mate in 2012 as the VP nominee, not that Biden and Hillary would switch jobs right now. You’re right, doing that right now would require a vote of Congress. The speculation I had heard was that Hillary becomes the VP nominee for the 2012 election, and assuming they win, then Biden gets appointed as Sec. of State after the election.
Not long ago, Hillary said that she has no interest in running for elective office again. She said that she will leave as Sec. of State at the end of Obama’s term, whether he gets re-elected or not.
Bill said that Hillary wants to be a grandmother more than she ever wanted to be president.
Can you imagine a politician saying that they are not going to run for office, then changing their mind and running??? (sarcasm)
Certainly a Clinton would never say things to mislead people about their true intentions would they??? (more sarcasm)
They have to implement the strategy to dump him without alienating the black community.
That may be starting,OLD Maxine Waters has fired the first salvo since obumbos speech at the
black caucus. Makes you wonder why Obumbo used the phrase take off you slippers and get out and march,is he attemtingbto help his demise?
I believe obama must be forced out some way—
1. assassination would do it (Killed by some racist Tea Party Person best) Turn him into a tin saint.
2. Health problems—like Teddy K.
3. Complete scandal might do it too. Forced to resign by evil Tea Party Republicans.
4. Hillary would be “forced” to run “for the good of the nation”-—she could win and get the black vote too.
I don’t think any of these will happen—Obama and his arrogance will doom the Democrats to a certain defeat in the election. The whole party will be tossed out and with it the progressives. I believe that would be the best thing for the nation.
How bad is Obama that he makes Hillary! look conservative, and seasoned FReepers pine for the good 'ol days of Bill?
That's why I think the Dems will pull a Lautenberg, as they did in New Jersey. Biden will be given an offer he can't refuse - perhaps a job that requires tact, like the State department. :-)
Hillary steps in and the Kool-Aid drinkers would embrace the concept, figuring eight more years after obama (if the Hispanic demographics hold up).