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Dead trees as biomass energy might lift economy
Daily Sentinel ^ | 9/25/11 | Gary Harmon

Posted on 09/26/2011 1:59:56 PM PDT by GSWarrior

The dead wood of Colorado’s lodgepole pine forest should be harnessed as biomass energy before it becomes fuel for a conflagration, a former Aspen mayor said.

One way to do that could be a biomass project in Eagle County, where a Provo, Utah, company is considering construction of a 10-megawatt plant.

Dean Rostrom, principal of Evergreen Clean Energy LLC, will discuss plans for a plant at a regional biomass summit from 12:45 to 4:45 p.m. Wednesday in the Carbondale town hall.

The denuded lodgepole forest covering 4.2 million acres is becoming more dangerous, not less, as trees killed by the mountain pine beetle fall at the rate of thousands a day, said John Bennett, the former Aspen mayor who now is the executive director of For the Forest.

Fire danger from a massive beetle kill such as the one in Colorado is high as the trees turn red and the timber goes dry, Bennett said. The threat of fire, however, lessens as the needles fall and the trees become gray skeletons, he said.

“About five to eight years later, the trees begin to fall and create a pile of timber on the forest floor. That’s when the fire danger goes back up, and it stays high for 20 or 30 years,” Bennett said. “Some parts of the forest in Colorado are approaching that latter phase.”

Converting those dead trees into biomass to generate electricity or serve as an alternative fuel, however, could provide the economic impetus to clean up dead timber from around roads, highways, communities, waterways and transmission corridors, Bennett said.

“This could create the market financing for the forest restoration urgently needed around the state,” Bennett said.

The summit will look at opportunities and obstacles to development as they have been studied by the Roaring Fork Biomass Consortium.

A $100,000 feasibility study conducted by the consortium looked at existing supplies of woody and non-woody biomass, the relationship of biomass handling to greenhouse gas emissions, technology, tree farming and education.

Converting dead lodgepole pine into biomass fuels provides the opportunity to create energy without adding greenhouse gases to the atmosphere, Bennett said.

Decomposing dead wood adds mightily to greenhouse gases, so converting the trees to fuel reduces the threat of climate change, Bennett said. It also offers an avenue to energy independence, “a critically important step,” Bennett said.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Front Page News; News/Current Events; US: Colorado
KEYWORDS: dead; energy; forests; green; greenjobs; lodgepole; trees
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1 posted on 09/26/2011 2:00:06 PM PDT by GSWarrior
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To: GSWarrior

How about dead , marxist ideas? we have no shortage of those.


2 posted on 09/26/2011 2:02:14 PM PDT by WOBBLY BOB (See ya later, debt inflator ! Gone in 4 (2012))
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To: GSWarrior

Converting dead lodgepole pine into biomass fuels provides the opportunity to create energy without adding greenhouse gases to the atmosphere, Bennett said.

Decomposing dead wood adds mightily to greenhouse gases, so converting the trees to fuel reduces the threat of climate change, Bennett said. It also offers an avenue to energy independence, “a critically important step,” Bennett said.


Wells, that sounds good.....................

Do they not teach the carbon cycle in schools anymore?


3 posted on 09/26/2011 2:03:33 PM PDT by PeterPrinciple ( getting closer to the truth.................)
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To: GSWarrior

Removing it might inconvenience some bug, rat or other vermin...not acceptable! < /EPA response >


4 posted on 09/26/2011 2:05:55 PM PDT by JimRed (Excising a cancer before it kills us waters the Tree of Liberty! TERM LIMITS, NOW AND FOREVER!)
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To: GSWarrior
Decomposing dead wood adds mightily to greenhouse gases, so converting the trees to fuel reduces the threat of climate change

I support using the wood and don't believe the man-made global warming myth.

That said, burning the wood or letting it decompose is the same release of CO2, just on different time scales.

5 posted on 09/26/2011 2:07:22 PM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: GSWarrior

Trees? No, the lifting needs to start by putting Obama out of a job. Quickly followed by his record-level of Marxist mobsters some call “czars”. Followed by an executive order by the new President basically defunding and neutering Obamacare.

Sell your gold (if you bought it as a profit maker) just before that, and get ready to enjoy some dividend checks from your investments.

Biomass? Forget about it. Think of the upside to America the above will generate.....


6 posted on 09/26/2011 2:08:13 PM PDT by EagleUSA
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To: PeterPrinciple

I didn’t get from the article whether they intended to use pyrolysis, gasification, or simply burn the wood...

Any of those will produce CO2 as a product when electricity is produced, and therefore will be opposed by the “save the erf” crowd.


7 posted on 09/26/2011 2:08:56 PM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter knows whom he's working for)
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To: EagleUSA

So... how much biomass could we get out of 0bama?


8 posted on 09/26/2011 2:10:11 PM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter knows whom he's working for)
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To: GSWarrior
Converting dead lodgepole pine into biomass fuels provides the opportunity to create energy without adding greenhouse gases to the atmosphere, Bennett said.

Fossil fuel powered vehicles will be required to go into the forest and bring the fallen trees out for processing.

Energy will be required to process the fallen trees into biomass fuels.

Biomass fuels will then (likely) be combusted to "create energy."

9 posted on 09/26/2011 2:11:02 PM PDT by DTogo (High time to bring back the Sons of Liberty !!)
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To: GSWarrior

I live in an agricultural area. We have lots of orchards and just about everything else you can think of. We also have a large biomass plant that burns the wood, hulls and other bio media. It seems to make a lot of sense, but I don’t know the economics of it.


10 posted on 09/26/2011 2:13:28 PM PDT by umgud
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To: GSWarrior

It should not take a huge government grant and subsidies to turn dead trees into “biomass.” Isn’t Evergreen one of those outfits Obama has been funding?

I suggest using private loggers and cutting it up for firewood.

If they want biomass, how about making it from the pine beetles? Or would PETA object?


11 posted on 09/26/2011 2:14:19 PM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius.)
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To: GSWarrior
what a crock - there are composting companies all over America and they use trees all the time to make mulch and compost - turing what is needed for restoring and building - not the same as making a fire to heat a boiler. What a waste of money trying to figure out how to move dead trees- for which there are not enough to some place to save the planet.

These same folks don't want the trucker to drive too long and they don't want them ruining the forests with the smelly diesel. What do they want?

12 posted on 09/26/2011 2:17:26 PM PDT by q_an_a
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To: GSWarrior
The Lodge pole pines grow straight and die vertically. They make wonderful dimensional wood that doesn't need to be kiln dried. When they get hit killed by the beatles the bugs leave a blue stain on the outer surface of the wood. It makes interesting molding. They also make great fuel for forest fires and one of these days half of the State of Colorado is going to go up in flames because the environazis won't let people/companies clean up the forests.
13 posted on 09/26/2011 2:17:43 PM PDT by WellyP (REAL)
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To: GSWarrior

I don’t think any of the morons who come up with these ideas ever held a real job or took a business course. Even a cursory examination of the costs versus return are so out of whack that only a government bureaucrat would even offer the suggestion. Lets do a quick check of the costs: energy costs to cut the trees down, gather and move them off the mountains (lodge pole pines do not grow in the flatlands), truck them to the mill, chip the trees into small pieces, apply heat to the decomposition process, etc. What you end up with is $8.00 a gallon ethanol. Only a gigantic government subsidy could make it possible.


14 posted on 09/26/2011 2:18:42 PM PDT by RetiredTexasVet (There's a pill for just about everything ... except stupid!)
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To: GSWarrior
The Forest Service already has a program for removal of beetle kill trees, but the contractors can't find a market for them. They may end up just burning them.

http://www.denverpost.com/news/ci_18542712

Given that this guy was mayor of Aspen, I suppose his solution is have the government subsidize yet another industry the market won't support.

15 posted on 09/26/2011 2:19:35 PM PDT by colorado tanker
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To: GSWarrior

How about whale oil?


16 posted on 09/26/2011 2:19:52 PM PDT by Mr. Peabody
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To: GSWarrior
How about...(as one prior poster suggested) we cut these dead trees into firewood, and use it as fuel to fire a steam powered turbine to produce electricity?

I was going to say "SHA-ZAAM!", but I'm afraid I'm missing something.

17 posted on 09/26/2011 2:20:01 PM PDT by Night Hides Not (My dream ticket for 2012 is John Galt & Dagny Taggart!)
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To: GSWarrior

Yep.

And Dr. Thomas Sowell is going to show up at my front door today and ask me to marry him!! XXOO


18 posted on 09/26/2011 2:21:16 PM PDT by Diana in Wisconsin (I don't have 'Hobbies.' I'm developing a robust Post-Apocalyptic skill set...)
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To: GSWarrior

The money to be made is in the grant money to do the study, not in the actual project. Think of all the fossil fuels that would be used to haul dead trees to a plant.


19 posted on 09/26/2011 2:22:14 PM PDT by crusty old prospector
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To: GSWarrior

If it needs subsidized, its not going to “lift the economy”.

Just a tip.


20 posted on 09/26/2011 2:22:54 PM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Happiness)
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To: umgud

It would cost more to cut the trees down, chip them up, and haul the chips than they are worth.

Presently, there’s an oversupply of wood relative to facilities than can use it as fuel.


21 posted on 09/26/2011 2:26:11 PM PDT by abb ("What ISN'T in the news is often more important than what IS." Ed Biersmith, 1942 -)
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To: umgud

It would cost more to cut the trees down, chip them up, and haul the chips than they are worth.

Presently, there’s an oversupply of wood relative to facilities than can use it as fuel.


22 posted on 09/26/2011 2:26:36 PM PDT by abb ("What ISN'T in the news is often more important than what IS." Ed Biersmith, 1942 -)
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To: GSWarrior

All is required is about 550 million In a green energy loan. What a crock.


23 posted on 09/26/2011 2:28:14 PM PDT by org.whodat (Just another heartless American, hated by Perry and his fellow democrats.)
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To: WOBBLY BOB
How about dead , marxist ideas? we have no shortage of those?

An Egyptian rail road used mummies for fuel for the steam engines. Just an Idea.

Sierra club sued the forest Service to stop them form maintaining the 100,000 acres of trees that blew down and cause the Pine Beetle epidemic. I am sure that the Sierra Club would do their share to clean up the mess.

24 posted on 09/26/2011 2:28:53 PM PDT by mountainlion (I am voting for Sarah after getting screwed again by the DC Thugs.)
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To: GSWarrior

I love the self important ways these libtards speak. They can’t just say “We’d like to burn the dead trees.”. They need grant money to study woody and non-woody biomass and calculate the carbon footprint. Idiots! Get out of the way and let loggers do their work.


25 posted on 09/26/2011 2:35:11 PM PDT by jdsteel (I like the way the words "Palin for President" make progressives apoplectic.)
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To: crusty old prospector

Where does this “grant” money come from?


26 posted on 09/26/2011 2:36:14 PM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Happiness)
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To: GSWarrior
10 megawatt, WOW! /s

Texas has about 70,000mw of generating capacity. At 10mw, Texas' generating capacity could be replaced by "only" 7,000 of these.

27 posted on 09/26/2011 2:36:49 PM PDT by theymakemesick (In Realville, a budget cut is less spending, CC&B showed us that in Washington, it's more - D and R)
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To: RetiredTexasVet
A few years ago an idiot liberal women went to the city down the road and said why do we not make a boat-able canal from down town to the race car track. I started laughing as I watched the-TV report, the little women said why do you find her ideal so funny. I said water runs down hill, it would take eight to ten locks on the stream and it does not flow enough water to operate them. The city spent 100000 on an engineering firm to do a study and tell them the same thing.
28 posted on 09/26/2011 2:37:19 PM PDT by org.whodat (Just another heartless American, hated by Perry and his fellow democrats.)
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To: theymakemesick

Forgot to post the link to current Texas usage: http://www.ercot.com/


29 posted on 09/26/2011 2:37:49 PM PDT by theymakemesick (In Realville, a budget cut is less spending, CC&B showed us that in Washington, it's more - D and R)
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I don't know if beetle eaten lodge pole pine is considered a good source from which to make wood alcohol. If it is, the chipped trees and the needed heating to produce the resultant non-drinkable wood alcohol could all be done from the wood itself.

NOTE -=] Wood alcohol (methanol) is POISONOUS and is not the same as fruit alcohol (ethanol) made from fruit such as grapes, grains and corn. [=-

30 posted on 09/26/2011 2:43:05 PM PDT by pyx (Rule#1.The LEFT lies.Rule#2.See Rule#1. IF THE LEFT CONTROLS THE LANGUAGE, IT CONTROLS THE ARGUMENT.)
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To: GSWarrior

Yeah, sure, and every environmentalist and green jobs advocate jumping off the edge of the earth would be ten,maybe a thousand times as effective in helping the economy.


31 posted on 09/26/2011 2:53:24 PM PDT by RJS1950 (The democrats are the "enemies foreign and domestic" cited in the federal oath)
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To: PeterPrinciple
"Do they not teach the carbon cycle in schools anymore?"

I think the point he is trying to make (badly) is that "composting" wood emits a lot of methane (bacterial action), while burned wood emits virtually only CO2. Methane is a vastly stronger greenhouse gas than CO2.

32 posted on 09/26/2011 2:54:55 PM PDT by Wonder Warthog
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To: GSWarrior
I guess I am just a dumb, hick pudknocker... but mankind burned animal dung, then wood and coal to beat the band especially during the industrial revolution before use of oil and SUVs came along, so why didn't all that heavy greenhouse gas kill us all off back then?

So, if them Global Warming sumbitches are right, how come... we are still alive?

33 posted on 09/26/2011 2:55:58 PM PDT by Bender2 ("I've got a twisted sense of humor, and everything amuses me." RAH Beyond this Horizon)
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To: theymakemesick
A better idea is to build a wood pellet factory.

Wood is better used a fuel for home heating. About two years ago high efficiency heating stoves that used wood pellets hit the market and quickly became the cheapest form of home heating available.

Someone recently told me however that the price of wood pellets has sharply risen for some reason.

This abundant supply of wood should help remedy that.

34 posted on 09/26/2011 2:56:10 PM PDT by Pontiac (The welfare state must fail because it is contrary to human nature and diminishes the human spirit.)
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To: thackney
"That said, burning the wood or letting it decompose is the same release of CO2, just on different time scales."

Nope....see post 32.

35 posted on 09/26/2011 2:57:09 PM PDT by Wonder Warthog
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To: WOBBLY BOB

I was thinking more like just plain ol’ dead Marxists...we could start with Lenin’s corpse...maybe dig up Karl Marx himself and Friedrich Engels too...

It’s a thought...they could then finally REALLY “give something back to society”...

And then we could “moveon” to...nah...won’t go there..yet..


36 posted on 09/26/2011 2:59:03 PM PDT by NFHale (The Second Amendment - By Any Means Necessary.)
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To: Wonder Warthog

Thanks


37 posted on 09/26/2011 3:01:53 PM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: theymakemesick
10 megawatt, WOW! /s

really -lol. All these green technologies are a total joke and will NEVER supply any significant energy.

One can go to the eia.gov site and see that in 2009, the Electrical needs of the U.S. was 1,755,904 Megawatts. That is a lot of energy.

If anyone thinks that "green" energy is a player they are either total delusional, or misinformed.

38 posted on 09/26/2011 3:05:01 PM PDT by sand88 (Sarah Palin announces: Aug 12, Opps!! didn't happen then, but soon will :)
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To: thackney
...burning the wood or letting it decompose is the same release of CO2, just on different time scales.

Don't let facts get in the way of a good libtard, go green jobs meme!
39 posted on 09/26/2011 3:07:55 PM PDT by ExTxMarine (PRAYER: It's the only HOPE for real CHANGE in America!)
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To: PeterPrinciple

***Converting dead lodgepole pine into biomass fuels provides the opportunity to create energy without adding greenhouse gases to the atmosphere, Bennett said.****

What’s wrong with coal? All it is is ancient biomass that never got recycled by nature back into CO 2.


40 posted on 09/26/2011 3:08:52 PM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar (Click my name. See my home page, if you dare! NEW PHOTOS & PAINTINGS)
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To: GSWarrior

I live surrounded by lodgepole. We have dead trees everywhere on forest service land.


41 posted on 09/26/2011 3:09:54 PM PDT by ColdOne (I miss my poochie... Tasha 2000~3/14/11)
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To: sand88
Opps, my mistake, the 1,755,904 was just for coal

The totals for 2009 for all energy was, 3,950,331 Megawatts.

Sorry about that. link: http://www.eia.gov/cneaf/electricity/epa/epates.html

42 posted on 09/26/2011 3:14:53 PM PDT by sand88 (Sarah Palin announces: Aug 12, Opps!! didn't happen then, but soon will :)
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; ColdOne; Convert from ECUSA; ...

Thanks GSWarrior.


43 posted on 09/26/2011 3:17:10 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (It's never a bad time to FReep this link -- https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: GSWarrior

They will have to build biomass plants a hell of a lot closer than Utah to make it.

The Escanaba MI Paper mill uses wood residue nearly exclusively now and produces enough power to light a city the size of Green Bay Wisconsin. Yet they cant sell any excess because hey are not licensed to do so. So they simply shut the turbine’s’ down.
It costs around 17 dollars a ton to chip and deliver wood residue to that plant. Its cleaner than coal, and when mixed with spent black liquor, is more economical than coal or fuel.
Couple of years ago WE energies wanted to put in a boiler to produce more power for the grid. It was canned because of the enivironMENTALISTS objections to the project. Another firm wanted to put a spent black liquor plant in to refine that into bio fuel-about 13 million gallons of bio gas and diesel a year, and out of a by product of the paper making process. It was also canned because of the EPA.


44 posted on 09/26/2011 3:23:17 PM PDT by crz
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To: Cicero

Firewood? What are you going to burn it in? Since they can no longer sell wood fired boilers for home use. That is right..the EPA has Banned the sale of wood fired boilers for home use. You know...the outside wood fired boilers. The ones you could use to not only heat your home but your hot water in the winter also. Next year, they will include any wood fired appliance..that means wood stoves of any sort.


45 posted on 09/26/2011 3:27:40 PM PDT by crz
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To: GSWarrior

why don’t we just drill our own oil and gas—providing many jobs

and we wouldn’t be sending money overseas for oil and defending their oil fields.


46 posted on 09/26/2011 3:37:48 PM PDT by ken21 (ruling class dem + rino progressives -- destroying america for 150 years.)
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To: umgud

Here in MI we burn peach and cherry pits post processing. Nice clean fuel.


47 posted on 09/26/2011 3:51:25 PM PDT by bog trotter
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To: Wonder Warthog
Methane is a vastly stronger greenhouse gas than CO2.

Did some research on this once but can't find it now. The methane research was extremely poor, A correlation of only 4 factors in a vast complex system. Also the percentage of methane is the system is so small that it is not a practical problem even if you assume it is more reactive which is NOT proven.

Again, the biggest cause IF it is a problem is water vapor, everything else is negligible.

48 posted on 09/26/2011 4:02:29 PM PDT by PeterPrinciple ( getting closer to the truth.................)
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To: GSWarrior
The diseased trees could have been logged out and the infestation stopped before the wood turned into punk.

People would have gladly gone and cut up the logs and hauled them off for firewood--at their own expense. The bettle kill disaster has been slowly unfolding since the Clinton Administration and is a 'poster child' for the difference between conservation and stewardship versus kneejerk environmentalism.

49 posted on 09/26/2011 4:49:46 PM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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To: Mr. Peabody
How about whale oil?

Too late. We saved the whales starting back when Mr. Drake dug that well in PA. Otherwise, the last one would have been burned in a lamp in Nantuckett long ago...

50 posted on 09/26/2011 5:04:55 PM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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