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Your Supplements Are Under Attack: Time to Fight Back!
Live in the Now ^ | 9/19/11 | Joshua Corn

Posted on 09/26/2011 2:39:10 PM PDT by EBH

A few weeks ago, I wrote to you about the FDA’s proposed new policy on dietary supplements that could make it impossible or very expensive for you to purchase the natural products you rely on to support your health. The open comment period on the FDA’s proposed guidelines ends on September 30, so NOW is the time to act and let your voice be heard if you want to retain your right to access supplements. (Scroll down to the bottom of this article to learn how you can get involved.)

If the FDA has its way, all vitamins, herbs and other dietary supplements will soon be classified in the same manner as unapproved drugs and synthetic food additives. The results of this change in classification could be disastrous for both natural health consumers and the natural health industry. Resveratrol, CoQ10, curcumin and even many multivitamins could be pulled from the market, and those that remain available may become so expensive that many people won’t be able to afford them. Supplement companies that cannot afford to put their products through the FDA’s intensive, burdensome drug trial process may be forced out of business, leaving room for pharmaceutical companies to swoop in and profit at your expense.

You know that Big Pharma is surely working hard behind the scenes to make sure that this law is passed, and that they carry incredible influence with the FDA and the government in general. This means that we all need to work together and use the power of the people to stop this from happening. Unless we stop these new guidelines from going in to effect, we stand to lose our right to access the natural healing tools that many of us depend on as alternatives to expensive and often dangerous pharmaceutical drugs.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Government
KEYWORDS: fda; quack; supplements; vitamins
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1 posted on 09/26/2011 2:39:13 PM PDT by EBH
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To: FARS

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2 posted on 09/26/2011 2:40:51 PM PDT by EBH (God Humbles Nations, Leaders, and Peoples before He uses them for His Purpose)
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To: EBH

“the natural products you rely on to support your health.”

any scientific evidence for that or is this just to make you feeeeel like you are doing something?


3 posted on 09/26/2011 2:43:02 PM PDT by ari-freedom (I'm a heartless conservative because I love this country.)
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To: ari-freedom

>>> any scientific evidence for that or is this just to make you feeeeel like you are doing something? >>>

To wit, what business is it of the government’s? - which is the point of this.


4 posted on 09/26/2011 2:44:59 PM PDT by C. Edmund Wright
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To: EBH

Where were you people on Andro, and Ephedra.

Oh, right...that’s only for gym rats.

And now you’re shocked, shocked to discover they’ve come for you.


5 posted on 09/26/2011 2:46:02 PM PDT by hobbes1 (Hobbes1TheOmniscient® "St.Sarah, the 1 Tru Conservative that can unite us all and Save America" ;)
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To: EBH

I think this issue was the #1 all-time leader in Number of Petitions to Redress Grievance prior to the Wall Street bailouts of ‘08.


6 posted on 09/26/2011 2:53:03 PM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: C. Edmund Wright

“To wit, what business is it of the government’s? - which is the point of this.”

You’re right. We should bring in all that Chinese toothpaste into the country. So what if a little anti-freeze gets in?


7 posted on 09/26/2011 3:00:18 PM PDT by ari-freedom (I'm a heartless conservative because I love this country.)
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To: EBH
"Resveratrol, CoQ10, curcumin and even many multivitamins could be pulled from the market, and those that remain available may become so expensive that many people won’t be able to afford them."
8 posted on 09/26/2011 3:00:32 PM PDT by combat_boots (The Lion of Judah cometh. Hallelujah. Gloria Patri, Filio et Spiritui Sancto.)
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To: C. Edmund Wright
To wit, what business is it of the government’s? - which is the point of this.

So, businesses should be allowed to claim their products do anything they say they do without having to provide any evidence?

That's not how things work.

9 posted on 09/26/2011 3:10:24 PM PDT by Mase (Save me from the people who would save me from myself!)
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To: EBH

they want you dependent on the government health system and they do not want you to live too long. just another stepping stone toward their objective.


10 posted on 09/26/2011 3:10:24 PM PDT by beekay
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To: ari-freedom
... We should bring in all that Chinese toothpaste into the country. So what if a little anti-freeze gets in?

So are you equating poisoned Chinese toothpaste with dietary supplements?
11 posted on 09/26/2011 3:11:01 PM PDT by algernonpj (He who pays the piper . . .)
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To: EBH; Berlin_Freeper; Hotlanta Mike; Silentgypsy; repubmom; HANG THE EXPENSE; Nepeta; Bikkuri; ...

12 posted on 09/26/2011 3:18:34 PM PDT by LucyT
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To: EBH

It should, certainly, be the business of the FDA to try to keep poisonous Chinese additives out of our country. But it is NOT their business to outlaw all additives as a favor to the big drug companies. Unfortunately they do a lousy job policing Chinese imports, but they are all too eager to dictate to citizens what they can and cannot do.

As it happens, I take all three of the additives mentioned in this article, “Resveratrol, CoQ10, curcumin.” The first and third may help stave off senile dementia, which my mother suffered from in old age. The second is essential to take with lipitor, which my doctor prescribes, to prevent possible damage to the liver. My doctor, after investigating the matter, agrees.

I take the supplements I need at fairly modest cost. I do NOT need some government regulator forcing me to pay ten times as much.


13 posted on 09/26/2011 3:21:22 PM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius.)
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To: EBH

imagine if every vitamin, every aspirin, every cough syrup, every itch cream, was only available by prescription

Now imagine your obamacare physicians assistant (forget seeing a doctor)had a 6 month wait for non-urgent appointments and yr deductible for those presciptions was hundreds of dollars


14 posted on 09/26/2011 3:26:55 PM PDT by silverleaf (Common sense is not so common - Voltaire)
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To: ari-freedom

those of us who use reveratrol, curcumin, melatonin, SAMe and other supplements know if it works for us or not

I am guessing the Vit D3 doesn’t hurt us, either

I just hope I see a govt clampdown coming in time to stock up as long as the shelf life can hold


15 posted on 09/26/2011 3:30:21 PM PDT by silverleaf (Common sense is not so common - Voltaire)
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To: Cicero

I predict a surge in herb gardens and spice purchases. I use several supplements in lieu of prescriptions that actually made me more ill than the condition they were supposed to treat. If removed from the shelves, it would be disastrous for me.


16 posted on 09/26/2011 3:32:22 PM PDT by MizSterious (Apparently, there's no honor when it comes to someone else's retirement funds.)
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To: EBH

Bump


17 posted on 09/26/2011 3:40:43 PM PDT by Sans-Culotte ( Pray for Obama- Psalm 109:8)
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To: ari-freedom
So what if a little anti-freeze gets in?

I heard (from reliable authorities) it's an excellent whitening agent.


18 posted on 09/26/2011 3:44:10 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Let us prey!)
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To: EBH

I take no supplements other than alcohol (already heavily regulated). Am I a New Age criminal?


19 posted on 09/26/2011 3:46:10 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Let us prey!)
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To: Revolting cat!

Why, would you like that?


20 posted on 09/26/2011 3:59:38 PM PDT by MetaThought
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To: Mase

>>> So, businesses should be allowed to claim their products do anything they say they do without having to provide any evidence? That’s not how things work. >>>

You are missing the point - this is talking about banning products - not limiting their claims. Their claims are already limited by disclaimers the government forces them to put on their labels.

And wow, nothing quite like that delightful trait of the Freeper who is selective in their limited government pro liberty positions.

Perhaps you should understand that businesses, with a few exceptions, are allowed to do just that. As consumers, we are free to decide for ourselves. We also have remedies of fraud law suits at our disposal.

Not to mention, all supplements have disclaimers on them and they do have to pass safety standards.


21 posted on 09/26/2011 4:08:01 PM PDT by C. Edmund Wright
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To: Cicero

>>> I take the supplements I need at fairly modest cost. I do NOT need some government regulator forcing me to pay ten times as much. >>>

AMEN - and with respects to something like Co Q 10 — if we get 20 years down the road before we can prove it helps - that means a lot of us will have lost those years of quality life. Meanwhile, it is doing no hard so what’s the big deal if it isn’t helping as much as the supplement companies claim?

This is classic liberty versus totalitarian / crony capitalism battle, and I am shocked some Freepers are on the wrong side of this.


22 posted on 09/26/2011 4:11:28 PM PDT by C. Edmund Wright
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To: LucyT

My Doctor just put me on a very concentrated dosing of vitamins and minerals for my macular condition. Leave it to the barry bassturd thuggery to make the vits and minerals prescription only and double in price.


23 posted on 09/26/2011 4:32:09 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Some, believing they can't be deceived, it's nigh impossible to convince them when they're deceived.)
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To: C. Edmund Wright
You are missing the point - this is talking about banning products

That's a bunch of alarmist nonsense. No one is going to take your Ginko Biloba, Vitamin C or CoQ10 away. Anyone believing otherwise isn't thinking clearly. However, if the product isn't labeled correctly, doesn't offer the amount of active ingredient listed, or makes claims it can't support, that's another story. The government absolutely has a responsibility to protect consumers from snake oil salesmen.

And wow, nothing quite like that delightful trait of the Freeper who is selective in their limited government pro liberty positions.

I'm absolutely pro-liberty, but I'm also anti-stupidity. I expect that when a manufacturer claims a particular product does something, and contains X amount of active ingredient, that it does. I don't have the time and energy to research every product I purchase, especially when it comes to things I put in my body. Anyone who thinks that food and drug safety hasn't improved dramatically since safeguards were put in place (yes by government), doesn't have any idea what he's talking about.

Perhaps you should understand that businesses, with a few exceptions, are allowed to do just that. As consumers, we are free to decide for ourselves. We also have remedies of fraud law suits at our disposal.

Apparently, you are also unaware of just how many adulterated and counterfeit drugs are on the market today. But you'd know if the drugs you were ordering on line were adulterated or counterfeit, right? How could you be sure when the companies purchasing them can't be sure? After you've given that Canadian company your money, and got nothing of value in return, you could sue them for damages. Let me know how that works out for you.

Not to mention, all supplements have disclaimers on them and they do have to pass safety standards.

LOL! Oh, yeah. Tell us all about those safety standards and the effectiveness of "disclaimers." Unlike with drugs, supplement makers don't have to prove their products are safe or effective before they reach the market. That may be ok with you, but that's not how things should work.

24 posted on 09/26/2011 4:46:52 PM PDT by Mase (Save me from the people who would save me from myself!)
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To: Mase

“The government absolutely has a responsibility to protect consumers from snake oil salesmen.”

I stopped reading there. Perhaps you wandered into the wrong forums? If you get on a boat from the west coast of the USA, and sail west, you should hit a country you’ll be right at home at. Here’s a hint, it starts with C and ends with hina.

It’s up to us to look after ourselves and each other, not some government, that’s exactly they kind of thing we don’t want.


25 posted on 09/26/2011 5:19:24 PM PDT by Bulwyf
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To: Mase

Your faith in government and the FDA and the purity of the bureaucrats within and the purity of the motivation of lobbyists for big pharma indicate that we are on two different planets with regard to limited government.

G day


26 posted on 09/26/2011 5:19:25 PM PDT by C. Edmund Wright
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To: Bulwyf

I should have stopped reading where you stopped, but I tortured myself with the rest of his (her) leftist nanny state clap trap.


27 posted on 09/26/2011 5:21:05 PM PDT by C. Edmund Wright
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To: C. Edmund Wright

We weren’t born perfect, and sometimes a train wreck is a hard thing to look away from.


28 posted on 09/26/2011 5:38:33 PM PDT by Bulwyf
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To: Buckeye McFrog

I got involved at that time and McCain was one of the proponents at the time!


29 posted on 09/26/2011 6:25:53 PM PDT by EBH (God Humbles Nations, Leaders, and Peoples before He uses them for His Purpose)
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To: Mase
This is regarding not just supplements, but vitamins as well.
30 posted on 09/26/2011 6:28:19 PM PDT by EBH (God Humbles Nations, Leaders, and Peoples before He uses them for His Purpose)
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31 posted on 09/26/2011 6:42:44 PM PDT by EBH (God Humbles Nations, Leaders, and Peoples before He uses them for His Purpose)
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To: C. Edmund Wright

Not necessarily. If you purchase supplements noted USP certified, these are far safer as products are tested accordin to a fairly strict set of guidelines. Anything else is a crap shoot. How do I know? I work in Business Development for a contract manufacturing house. I get all kinds of off the wall calls for these types of products. We produce and treat all of our products like they are Rx to maintain quality. Not everyone practices safe and clean mfg/pkg.


32 posted on 09/26/2011 6:44:18 PM PDT by nurees (Oh...there is a NEW Mexico (Homer Simpson))
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To: EBH

Gist of it...

if it is the same or lower than conventional food use no NDI is needed.

So would that mean those of us taking supplements, as the name implies to add to our diets, will be paying significantly more for them or they will simply vanish of the market.

I just bought a bottle VitD3 5,000 I.U. which may be OK according to this flow chart.

What about the melatonin?

Some stuff may clear the hurdles provided there is no change in the manufacturing process. But it appears anything new cannot be more than what is in conventional foods. That’s the catch.


33 posted on 09/26/2011 6:51:30 PM PDT by EBH (God Humbles Nations, Leaders, and Peoples before He uses them for His Purpose)
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To: Mase

What an idiotic statist comment. Do you take any vitamins or supplements? There are some very good ones out there that could boost your brainpower among other things

You have to be an educated consumer. There are worthless supplements too. Not harmful but worthless, you get nothing for your money. As for you, don’t take the harmful supplements.


34 posted on 09/26/2011 6:54:08 PM PDT by dennisw (nzt - works better if you're already smart)
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To: EBH

F’n McCain....figures


35 posted on 09/26/2011 6:56:26 PM PDT by dennisw (nzt - works better if you're already smart)
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To: ari-freedom; bamahead

And the GOVERNMENT should be involved... why???

Bamahead... big government ping...


36 posted on 09/26/2011 7:30:25 PM PDT by dcwusmc (A FREE People have no sovereign save Almighty GOD!!! III OK We are EVERYWHERE)
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To: Bulwyf
Huh?

Maybe you think we're better off not having anyone checking imported products from Mexico and China for wholesomeness. Perhaps you're ok with purchasing expensive therapies that contain no active ingredients. Don't you trust yourself to be able to determine that what's in the package is real and effective? Drug companies don't ever make mistakes or cut corners. Food suppliers never do things that aren't in the best interest of consumers. I'm sure the government in China does all it can to protect its citizens from the purveyors of dangerous products. That is such a common trait of communist governments. You idiot.

The FDA and USDA are bureaucratic behemoths that cause all sorts of problems. That's not the way it was supposed to be. Even so, only an idiot thinks food and drug safety was better before those organizations came along.

37 posted on 09/26/2011 7:36:20 PM PDT by Mase (Save me from the people who would save me from myself!)
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To: combat_boots
"Resveratrol, CoQ10, curcumin and even many multivitamins could be pulled from the market, and those that remain available may become so expensive that many people won’t be able to afford them."

I read the document. I saw nothing that supports this claim.

The document contains "non-binding recommendations" about notifying the agency about use of new dietary ingredients. That's very different from a basis for pulling vitamins off the market.

38 posted on 09/26/2011 7:40:22 PM PDT by freespirited (Stupid people are ruining America. --Herman Cain)
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To: EBH

My recollection is that the clampdown on nutraceuticals/supplements was the payoff for Big Pharma’s support of Obamacare.


39 posted on 09/26/2011 7:41:19 PM PDT by nuvista (Obama-care - you think that arrogant Marxist "cares" about you?)
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To: C. Edmund Wright
Well, at least you learned something for your efforts here. Now you know that unlike with drugs, supplement makers don't have to prove their products are safe or effective before they reach the market.

Yes, it's clear that you think it far too intrusive that consumers be relatively sure that what the drug company says is in the product is actually in the product and does what they claim it does. I don't know why that seems unreasonable to you, but to each his own.

When you go to sources like Live in the Now for your news about proposed legislation, drug efficacy and Big Pharma/big government corruption, you're probably going to come off as someone who doesn't have a clue. Well done. Please keep using this highly reputable publication as your source for news. They like scaring ignorant people.

40 posted on 09/26/2011 7:46:59 PM PDT by Mase (Save me from the people who would save me from myself!)
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To: EBH
This is regarding not just supplements, but vitamins as well.

Yes, I see that in the article. Please forgive me if I don't give much credibility to what the good folks at Live for the Now have to say on the subject. They're just another alarmist organization trying to protect their turf. I've been reading on FR since 2004 that big government and big pharma are colluding to take our vitamins and supplements away from us so big bad pharma can make more money. The Codex Alimentarius was supposed to send government agents busting through our doors for our vitamins back in 2005. You'd think with big government and big pharma on the same team, this would have been done long ago.

The fact is it's all a bunch of nonsense. No politicians is going to take away your ability to purchase supplements or vitamins. Big government and big pharma are not in cahoots. Only foolish people see government and the drug industry as anything other than adversarial. The FDA may impose more regulations on supplement suppliers, because as it stands now, they don't have to prove that their products are safe, contain what they say they do or do what they say they will. So, yeah, prices may go up. But that's not coming from lobbying by the drug industry. It's coming as a reaction to an industry that refuses to police itself.

41 posted on 09/26/2011 7:56:52 PM PDT by Mase (Save me from the people who would save me from myself!)
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To: dennisw
What an idiotic statist comment

That's comical coming from a brain dead economic illiterate who wants to empower the government to raise my taxes, increase the prices I pay for things, while telling me what I can and cannot buy. Yeah, you're a real champion of freedom. I swear those supplements of yours are making you dumber.

42 posted on 09/26/2011 8:00:26 PM PDT by Mase (Save me from the people who would save me from myself!)
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To: Mase
"Tell us all about those safety standards and the effectiveness of "disclaimers." Unlike with drugs, supplement makers don't have to prove their products are safe or effective before they reach the market. That may be ok with you, but that's not how things should work."

My gosh Mase, have you ever gotten an FDA approved drug? If so have you read all the things it says could happen to you if you take it? They say things like it could cause liver damage, could cause kidney damage, could cause a sizure, could cause suicide, could cause blindness, and on and on. You take a chance wheather you take an approved FDA product or Vitamen supplements. Also I was just watching a report saying there are so many illegal pharmacutical factorys that are making phoney Lipitor, etc that are getting to the pharmacy's here in the US and people don't know what they are taking.

Another thing. There is a big push now for pharmacutical drugs (such as ones supposed to help cancer patients) to get out to patients without all the months of FDA approval. How safe will we know those are. People are willing to take a chance because they hope it will help them.

43 posted on 09/26/2011 8:15:50 PM PDT by Spunky (Sarah Palin on Polls "Poles are for Strippers and Cross Country Skiers")
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To: Mase

Dumbass paranoid statist. Keep your meat hooks off my supplements!


44 posted on 09/26/2011 8:21:28 PM PDT by dennisw (nzt - works better if you're already smart)
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To: EBH

ok. i’ll bite. HHC’s husband


45 posted on 09/26/2011 8:23:06 PM PDT by hellinahandcart
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To: dennisw
"What an idiotic statist comment. Do you take any vitamins or supplements? There are some very good ones out there that could boost your brainpower among other things"

We have this thing called 'science' to evaluate these claims. I know...I know...it's not as sexy as the claims made by some shaman or voodoo priestess or this guy

46 posted on 09/26/2011 8:25:30 PM PDT by ari-freedom (I'm a heartless conservative because I love this country.)
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To: Mase
The fact is it's all a bunch of nonsense. No politicians is going to take away your ability to purchase supplements or vitamins. Big government and big pharma are not in cahoots. Only foolish people see government and the drug industry as anything other than adversarial.

BS!  They would love to but last time around (1990s) there was a popular uprising and there will be another one too on this scam. But they would love to pull it off and make casual supplements like vitamin C and D something you need a prescription for. You are woefully uneducated about this subject. Stick to your usual nonsensical material

47 posted on 09/26/2011 8:26:17 PM PDT by dennisw (nzt - works better if you're already smart)
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To: Mase

Preach it brotha!

Conservatism in the proper proportion makes the most common sense (which has appeared to forsake many of my brethren).


48 posted on 09/26/2011 8:28:14 PM PDT by hellinahandcart
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To: Mase

“When you go to sources like Live in the Now for your news about proposed legislation, drug efficacy and Big Pharma/big government corruption, you’re probably going to come off as someone who doesn’t have a clue. Well done. Please keep using this highly reputable publication as your source for news. They like scaring ignorant people.”

I know! They don’t even want to try very hard. Now we see where Michele Bachmann gets her support.


49 posted on 09/26/2011 8:28:20 PM PDT by ari-freedom (I'm a heartless conservative because I love this country.)
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To: ari-freedom

You need some krill oil


50 posted on 09/26/2011 8:29:32 PM PDT by dennisw (nzt - works better if you're already smart)
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