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Many in US get too much medical care: survey (get ready for Obamacare rationing)
Breitbart ^ | Sept. 26, 2011 | AFP

Posted on 09/26/2011 8:39:55 PM PDT by Clairity

Forty-two percent of US doctors believe that their patients are getting too much medical care, according to a survey published Monday which suggests fears of malpractice suits may be to blame.

A total of 28 percent said they felt they were treating their patients too aggressively, while 45 percent said one of every 10 patients they saw daily had issues that could have been dealt with by phone, by email or by a nurse.

Forty percent said they did not have enough time to spend with patients.

The results are based on a mail survey that was filled out by 627 doctors in the United States.

Fifty-two percent said they felt their patients were receiving just the right amount of care and six percent said their patients were receiving too little, said the study in the Journal of the American Medical Association.

(Excerpt) Read more at breitbart.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Extended News; Government
KEYWORDS: healthcare; obamacare; obamacarerationing; rationing; socialisthealthcare; toomuchmedicalcare
This is NOT a scientific poll when people self-select.

As I recall most doctors don't belong to AMA anymore and AMA pushed and endorsed Obamacare.

1 posted on 09/26/2011 8:39:58 PM PDT by Clairity
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To: Clairity

he is right lets stop treating all illegal aliens now.


2 posted on 09/26/2011 8:43:58 PM PDT by television is just wrong
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To: Clairity
I do not think the point of this poll is that "we should ration care and let people die."

I do think the point is that we are a nation of hypochondriacs and that when health care is "free" some folks just go to the doctor at the drop of a hat. Hey, it only costs $20 for a copay -- maybe the doctor will pay attention to you and treat you like you matter (there are a lot of lonely people in society).

When people really pay for their own care, then they will get just the right amount of care.

3 posted on 09/26/2011 8:47:48 PM PDT by ClearCase_guy (The USSR spent itself into bankruptcy and collapsed -- and aren't we on the same path now?)
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To: ClearCase_guy
When people really pay for their own care, then they will get just the right amount of care.

Absolutely! As with everything else in life, people don't really pay attention to what things cost until they've got a little skin of their own in the game.
4 posted on 09/26/2011 8:49:25 PM PDT by Oceander (www.attackwatch.com - don't forget to turn yourself in!)
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To: Clairity

I get damn little medical care (knock on wood)for a 60 y/o, rarely use it, but it probably won’t be there for me when I need it if Obamacare goes into effect.


5 posted on 09/26/2011 8:49:42 PM PDT by umgud
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To: Clairity

I believe it. People go to the doctor because they have a runny nose. “Insurance pays for it”, so sound economic decisions go out the window. If we had to pay for own medical care (with insurance limited to catastrophic incidents), people would make better decisions.


6 posted on 09/26/2011 8:50:20 PM PDT by bigdaddy45
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To: Clairity
...while 45 percent said one of every 10 patients they saw daily had issues that could have been dealt with by phone, by email or by a nurse.

Ever tried to phone your doctor to ask him a question? They refuse to talk to you without an appointment!

7 posted on 09/26/2011 8:51:36 PM PDT by Inyo-Mono (My greatest fear is that when I'm gone my wife will sell my guns for what I told her I paid for them)
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To: ClearCase_guy
You have nailed it. Studies going back decades show that fully half of all office visits to primary physicians are made by people in perfectly good health. "Doctoring" (yes they have a name for it, although they don't know what they are naming) has become a way of life for untold numbers of Americans who gladly spend their twenty dollar copay for a few minutes of attention and TLC.

The answer is simple, though it may never be implememnted. Require full payment for the office visit up front, to be reimbursed only is there is a bona fide treatable disease process diagnosed and identified.

8 posted on 09/26/2011 8:57:06 PM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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To: Inyo-Mono

For me, the problem is the lawyers always suing doctors over every little thing real or imagined. Now of course there has to be redress for misconduct or incompetence but there are too many John Edwards type lawsuits that make doctors practice defensive medicine and over prescribe tests that drive up medical costs. Follow the money trail!


9 posted on 09/26/2011 8:57:56 PM PDT by JMS
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To: Clairity

The proper term is “over-utilization” one of the major cost drivers of medical inflation.

I knew of a “gimmee girl” who would take herself or her kids to the emergency room for the sniffles.

In this respect, the title is correct.


10 posted on 09/26/2011 9:02:32 PM PDT by ROCKLOBSTER ( Celebrate Republicans Freed the Slaves Month.)
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To: Clairity
over treatment is a very real problem....why do you think some of us get over our sinus "infections" and others are on antibiotics for it time and again...

antibiotic overuse is sparking the rise of more resistant infections....

and viruses....people don't feel well and if the dr tells them to go home and take plenty of fluids, and rest and maybe some aspirin, I can tell you many people would feel put out NOT to have some antibiotic ordered...and antibiotics do nothing for viruses...

11 posted on 09/26/2011 9:03:18 PM PDT by cherry
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“...issues that could have been dealt with by phone, by email or by a nurse.”

Not if it’s an ED issue. Well, maybe the nurse part.

Sorry.


12 posted on 09/26/2011 9:26:10 PM PDT by PLMerite (Shut the Beyotch Down! Burn, baby, burn!)
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To: ClearCase_guy

My granddaughter went to the doctor for a regular physical for sports. They decide that she has some heart problem, 6 visits and 5 doctors later, one a heart specialist declare her fit and healthy...it is a racket.


13 posted on 09/26/2011 9:28:14 PM PDT by tiki
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To: ClearCase_guy
I do think the point is that we are a nation of hypochondriacs and that when health care is "free" some folks just go to the doctor at the drop of a hat. Hey, it only costs $20 for a copay -- maybe the doctor will pay attention to you and treat you like you matter (there are a lot of lonely people in society).

Isn't that the truth. I work with a widow. You can tell when she's feeling a little ignored or when one of her kids has something big going on. She doesn't go to the doctor, though, she goes to the ER. She is constantly on some antibiotic or another, sometimes on more than one at once. Always claiming pneumonia, bleeding ulcers, kidney stones, intestinal disorders, her appendix is enlarged and inflamed (they haven't taken it out, yet, though). Always has headaches. Of course, if I sucked down as much coca cola as she does (4-5 64 oz. per day and that's just at work), I'd have rebound headaches from all the caffeine, plus she takes Excedrin. Then, she complains she can't sleep at night (gee, wonder why), so she self-medicates with Benedryl. Then, in the morning, she's groggy and her head hurts, so she sucks down more coke and Excedrin, and the whole cycle starts all over again. I've tried to tell her, but she won't listen. I have been out to lunch with her where she's downed three glasses of coke before our food arrived. It's impressive. And she doesn't drink diet coke, either, so you can imagine the calories.

14 posted on 09/26/2011 9:35:44 PM PDT by Hoffer Rand (There ARE two Americas: "God's children" and the tax payers)
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To: Clairity

True. Let’s see a competent polling firm like Gallup do the survey to the most painstaking, scientific standards they can, and even yet we cannot treat the result as anything more than a picture of the average doctor’s view — it would have no moral force.


15 posted on 09/26/2011 9:42:07 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (There's gonna be a Redneck Revolution! (See my freep page) [rednecks come in many colors])
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To: hinckley buzzard

And that would be a stupid approach too, because that heartburn might or might not have been a heart attack.


16 posted on 09/26/2011 9:44:17 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (There's gonna be a Redneck Revolution! (See my freep page) [rednecks come in many colors])
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To: Inyo-Mono

A competent doctor’s office will have a triage nurse that you can leave a message with if you’re unsure if you should see the doctor. Sometimes I’ve been advised to try OTC medication to see if it helps, and if it doesn’t then call back for an appointment. Occasionally the doctor, if familiar with your conditions, will call in a prescription.


17 posted on 09/26/2011 9:48:46 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (There's gonna be a Redneck Revolution! (See my freep page) [rednecks come in many colors])
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To: Clairity

People get too much health care, because they don’t pay for it, and because often they don’t even pay for their insurance. So they lobby their employer for gold-plated insurance, and then use the insurance to go to the doctor for every minor issue.

If people had to pay real money to see a doctor, they wouldn’t abuse the system. Money is a great way to “ration” care by making people understand there is a COST. If they have to pay the real cost of the care, they will look for lower-cost options first, like maybe a phone-in discussion with a nurse, or using online tools that many insurance companies are now setting up to help people do their own triage.


18 posted on 09/26/2011 10:28:24 PM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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To: HiTech RedNeck

I’ve had a nurse tell me over the phone to take something, and I thought it might not be a good idea and turned out that had I done it, it may have killed me. Nurses are not doctors and to have them telling patients what to do or take with having seen a doctor is a risky business.


19 posted on 09/26/2011 10:34:20 PM PDT by Netizen (Path to citizenship = Scamnesty. If you give it away, more will come. Who's pilfering your wallet?)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

That should be ‘without’ having been seen my a doctor.


20 posted on 09/26/2011 10:36:01 PM PDT by Netizen (Path to citizenship = Scamnesty. If you give it away, more will come. Who's pilfering your wallet?)
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To: Netizen

Some nurses aren’t very bright. But there are different levels of nurse.

Nurse “practitioners” can generally be trusted for minor illnesses and injuries, and to know when a physician needs to be called. A few US drugstore chains have opened mini-clinics in some of their retail locations, staffed with these practitioners.

Several health insurance companies also have call lines staffed with nurses. The few times I’ve tried them, they seemed to give sensible advice.


21 posted on 09/26/2011 10:42:55 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (There's gonna be a Redneck Revolution! (See my freep page) [rednecks come in many colors])
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To: ClearCase_guy
I do think the point is that we are a nation of hypochondriacs and that when health care is "free" some folks just go to the doctor at the drop of a hat. Hey, it only costs $20 for a copay -- maybe the doctor will pay attention to you and treat you like you matter (there are a lot of lonely people in society).

These doctors could always tell these patients not to come around unless they are truly sick.

Oh, wait. Every time that patient comes in the dr gets paid. What a quandary.

22 posted on 09/27/2011 3:44:03 AM PDT by raybbr (People who still support Obama are either a Marxist or a moron.)
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To: Hoffer Rand
she doesn't drink diet coke, either

Is she a corpulent hog?

23 posted on 09/27/2011 5:21:45 AM PDT by ROCKLOBSTER ( Celebrate Republicans Freed the Slaves Month.)
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To: Hoffer Rand

“Dr.” Inspectorette’s diagnosis: She’s lonely and depressed. If she’s been widowed for a while, it might be time for her to find a nice male companion.


24 posted on 09/27/2011 6:38:11 AM PDT by Inspectorette
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She's been widowed almost 8 years and was widowed young, still in her late 40s. Has no intention of ever dating or getting involved again. Still wears her wedding ring. If anyone even suggests she might look for companionship, she bursts into tears and goes off the deep end. Of course, she's also LDS, and they believe in eternal marriage, so she thinks she's still married... So, I get to put up with the severe hypochondria.
25 posted on 09/27/2011 8:22:30 AM PDT by Hoffer Rand (There ARE two Americas: "God's children" and the tax payers)
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To: Clairity

Very rarely will any doctor handle an issue over the phone. Even if is a recurring problem/relapse of a chronic nature that they have treated before, they give you the medicine you immediately need, but require you to get an appointment and be seen in the office.

Think about the poor people who suffer with asthma in the scheme of socialized medicine shortages, with the EPA banning over the counter meds to treat an attack.


26 posted on 09/27/2011 8:47:05 AM PDT by SaraJohnson
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To: umgud

Given you are sixty and your economic value to the collective is waning, the socialits designed it so you won’t get health care. But Obammy did promise to give you a pain killer to use as you suffer and die.


27 posted on 09/27/2011 8:49:35 AM PDT by SaraJohnson
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To: Clairity
And 67% of people think they are getting too much medical care. But their MDs. schedule their appointments.

I have three MDs. who tell me when to see them again. Two demand twice/year, one, three times, plus he demands I get a blood test before each appointment.

28 posted on 09/27/2011 11:40:16 PM PDT by tdscpa
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