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Rick Perry's underwhelming debates: Do they matter?
The LA Times ^ | 9/27/11 | Andrew Malcolm

Posted on 09/27/2011 6:34:00 AM PDT by TexasFreeper2009

This is a cautionary tale about reading too much into the early debate showings of any party's candidates, no matter how good or bad.

(Excerpt) Read more at latimesblogs.latimes.com ...


TOPICS: News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 2012debates; debate; gardasil; heartless; openborders; perry; perry2012; romney
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1 posted on 09/27/2011 6:34:08 AM PDT by TexasFreeper2009
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To: TexasFreeper2009
Still trying to rally the troops and spin away Perry's meltdown?

He's done.

2 posted on 09/27/2011 6:38:29 AM PDT by Virginia Ridgerunner (Sarah Palin has crossed the Rubicon!)
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To: TexasFreeper2009

An article about the debates with a twist that might surprise some people.


3 posted on 09/27/2011 6:39:00 AM PDT by TexasFreeper2009 (Obama = Epic Fail)
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To: Virginia Ridgerunner

still trying to sell a meltdown where none exists?

lol


4 posted on 09/27/2011 6:39:43 AM PDT by TexasFreeper2009 (Obama = Epic Fail)
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To: TexasFreeper2009
Definition of a meltdown:






5 posted on 09/27/2011 6:42:31 AM PDT by BarnacleCenturion (Heartless)
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To: TexasFreeper2009

A new Zogby poll puts Herman Cain at the top of the Republican field, as the top choice of 28% of poll respondents. (IBOPE Zogby International says the polling sample consists of “all likely voters and of likely Republican primary voters.”)

Rounding out the top three are Rick Perry at 18%, and Mitt Romney at 17%. Fourth place goes to Ron Paul at 11%. Paul’s the most solid performer in Zogby’s polling history for the 2012 GOP race – his 11% might as well be chiseled in stone.

Interestingly, this poll was conducted after the Orlando GOP debate, but before Cain won the Florida straw poll. It’s a huge surge for Cain, who was polling at 12% just two weeks previously, and was floating at a campaign low of 8% two weeks before that. Aside from that bitter 8% number, Cain has generally done quite well in the Zogby poll, usually good enough for second or third place.

On the other hand, Rick Perry’s numbers in the Zogby poll have cratered, falling 19% in just two weeks. His debut last month was also his high-water mark thus far, when Zogby had him at 41%.

http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=46473


6 posted on 09/27/2011 6:44:37 AM PDT by free me (Sarah Palin 2012 - GAME ON!!)
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To: TexasFreeper2009

Not really. His attacking conservatives does matter though.


7 posted on 09/27/2011 6:44:44 AM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Happiness)
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To: BarnacleCenturion

Uh, right. Never mind, he is still leading, and Mitt is gaining nothing. Perry had a bad week. If he gets better, he probably wins. If he doesn’t, he’ll fade.


8 posted on 09/27/2011 6:47:12 AM PDT by ilgipper (Everything you get from the government was taken from someone else)
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To: Condor51; Just mythoughts; stephenjohnbanker; South40; cripplecreek; Sun; org.whodat; BillyBoy; ...
Do Rick Perry's underwhelming debates matter?

We report---you decide.

<><> Perry’s debate answer WRT what he’d do if the White House phone rang at 3 AM......informing him that the Taliban had gotten control of Pakistan’s nuclear weapons.

PERRY “Well, obviously, before you ever get to that point, you have to build a relationship in that region. And that’s one of the things that this administration has not done. Just yesterday we found out through Admiral Mullen that Haqqani has been involved with — and that’s the terrorist group directly associated with the Pakistani country — so to have a relationship with India, to make sure that India knows that they are an ally of the United States.”

Perry went on to tell a story about how the Obama administration wouldn’t sell upgraded F-16 fighters to India, which n-e-v-e-r happened.

<><> Perry was anticipating the triumphal moment when he would be able to nail Romney for being a flip-flopper---and had prepared for it. This was Perry's response: “I think Americans just don’t know sometimes which Mitt Romney they’re dealing with. Is it the Mitt Romney that was on the side of — against the Second Amendment before he was for the Second Amendment? Was it — was before — he was before the social programs from the standpoint of — he was for standing up for Roe versus Wade before he was against first — Roe versus Wade? Him — he was for Race to the Top. He’s for Obamacare and now he’s against it. I mean, we’ll wait until tomorrow and — and — and see which Mitt Romney we’re really talking to tonight.”

<><> Perry's candidacy-ending response was when he thumbed his nose at his country and its citizenry, saying those who disagreed with him on in-state tuition are "heartless." The inference was that only Perry was Truly Worthy (b/c only he had sucked up to Mexico).

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Summing up, it's true that the nation has elected incoherent Texans to the White House, but Perry alone has come up with THE dumbest non-sequiturs. It's likely Perry derailed b/c serious questions have been raised WRT whether he has the intellect to be president.

Perry has a complete lack of presidential gravitas — he has an odd way of responding to a debater, then cocking his head in an almost mechanical way, posing with a smug, self-satisfied grin (as if he had just paged through the vast holdings he's accumulated in Texas politics).

9 posted on 09/27/2011 6:51:19 AM PDT by Liz (The rule of law must prevail. We can’t govern ourselves by our personal point of view.)
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To: TexasFreeper2009; shield

Perry ping


10 posted on 09/27/2011 6:58:46 AM PDT by Clairity ("The United States needs to be not so much loved as it needs to be respected." -- VP Dick Cheney)
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To: Virginia Ridgerunner

“After his less-than-commanding performance in two presidential debates, George W. Bush faces a tougher race than expected amid growing signs of Republican discontent—including a new poll that shows major slippage in the key primary state of New Hampshire.

As it turned out, of course, John McCain did stay ahead of Bush in New Hampshire that cycle and whomped him good on primary day by about 15 points. The next morning, with aides vowing to get serious, the Bush campaign moved on to South Carolina, where the Texan won.

And the rest, as they say, is history that Barack Obama reminds us all about every few hours.”


11 posted on 09/27/2011 6:59:36 AM PDT by Clairity ("The United States needs to be not so much loved as it needs to be respected." -- VP Dick Cheney)
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To: TexasFreeper2009

I agree with Dr Sowell. Exerpt. “Governor Perry saw the issue as whether these children should now be allowed to continue their education, and become self-supporting taxpayers, or whether Texas would be better off with a higher risk of those young people becoming dependents or worse. I still see Governor Perry’s decision as an error, but the kind of error that a decent and humane individual would be tempted to make.

I have far more questions about those who would blow this error up into something that it is not. Error-free leaders don’t exist — and we don’t want to end up settling for a warm body.

Ultimately, this is not about Governor Perry. It is about a process that can destroy any potential leader, even when the country needs a new leader with a character that the “gotcha” attackers demonstrate they do not have.”


12 posted on 09/27/2011 7:05:03 AM PDT by FryingPan101 (Who killed Jack Wheeler?)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife; RoosterRedux; jonrick46; deepbluesea; RockinRight; TexMom7; potlatch; ...
Perry Ping....

IF you'd rather NOT be pinged FReepmail me.

IF you'd like to be added FReepmail me. Thanks.

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13 posted on 09/27/2011 7:05:11 AM PDT by shield (Rev 2:9 Woe unto those who say they are Judahites and are not, but are of the syna GOG ue of Satan.)
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To: GeronL
Used to be you could attack Conservatives and still win the primaries and state party caucuses. Then Barry Goldwater showed up and you couldn't just do that anymore.

You have to think of Texas as being about 1.752 generations behind the rest of the country to figure out why they'd belch up a guy who'd call us "heartless"! (Bwahahahahaha!!!! ~ those guys still think like Democrats and Rockefeller Republicans)

14 posted on 09/27/2011 7:07:09 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Virginia Ridgerunner
He's done

LOL...not by a longshot. A Palin presidency however is nothing more than a bad pipedream.

15 posted on 09/27/2011 7:08:08 AM PDT by pgkdan (Perry/Cain 2012...or maybe Cain/Perry??)
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To: Clairity
The next morning, with aides vowing to get serious, the Bush campaign moved on to South Carolina, where the Texan won.

You're omitting the crucial part about how Bush went on to win South Carolina...

Karl Rove denies role in John McCain rumor in South Carolina

Confronting Ghosts of 2000 in South Carolina

16 posted on 09/27/2011 7:08:12 AM PDT by Virginia Ridgerunner (Sarah Palin has crossed the Rubicon!)
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To: free me; stephenjohnbanker; Sun; cripplecreek; South40
Rick Perry’s numbers via Zogby have cratered----falling 19% in just two weeks. His debut last month in Iowa was also his high-water mark when Zogby had him at 41%.

Watching him operate, you know Perry's numbers were manipulated....that he thought he was invincible.....and that he is still clueless that his offensive debate remarks marred his carefully planned strategy.

Keep in mind, Perry did not officially enter the Iowa straw poll......but he calculatedly timed throwing his hat into the ring on the same day Bachman won the Iowa straw poll----stomping all over Bachman's hard-won victory. Perry cunningly manipulated the Iowa vote from Texas. That strategy was supposed to put him over the top. Instead he got a pathetic 700-800 write-ins ...while Iowa winners who did the right thing-—spending time and money there-—— got 4000 votes each. The Perrydactyl's had been cued to "say" Ricky won Iowa.

And there was Perry---front and center---waving to Iowans, taking pics in front of prominent Iowa banners---manipulating the media to make it look like he was the winner.

The winner in his own mind.

17 posted on 09/27/2011 7:08:15 AM PDT by Liz (The rule of law must prevail. We can’t govern ourselves by our personal point of view.)
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To: Liz
Watching him operate, you know Perry's numbers were manipulated....that he thought he was invincible.....and that he is still clueless that his offensive debate remarks marred his carefully planned strategy.

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Well said.

18 posted on 09/27/2011 7:10:00 AM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: TexasFreeper2009

Of course Perry’s campaign is not over as this is a long process. However, the debates do matter as Perry has taken a significant hit because of them. Many people predicted Perry would have a fairly easy ride to the nomination. Not anymore, he will definately have a fight on his hands as his shortcomings have been exposed.


19 posted on 09/27/2011 7:16:47 AM PDT by Turtlepower
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To: FryingPan101
It's about Perry's ability to reason ~ folks don't ordinarily think of those who can complete a college degree as having a high likelihood of becoming public dependents!

He had that argument on the tip of his tongue ~ ready to run off like a recording. That indicates it's a memorized answer ~ not a thought out answer.

I'd prefer a President who can think, not just give me canned speeches. It would help if he had some staff around to help.

This raises a question. Supposedly a good number of Newt's staffers came from the Perry campaign. Then they left Newt and went back to Perry. SInce that time Newt's campaign has gotten ON TRACK and Perry's campaign has not only run off the rails it went over the cliff into the ditch and is still down there upside down, spinning wheels ~ making no headway.

So, how about it ~ can we get it together and get those Perbot staffers out of the picture. You can imagine what would happen if they were helping out our real candidate in an election against Zero. You'd have the Republican up there chirping "Me too, me too, me too".

20 posted on 09/27/2011 7:18:11 AM PDT by muawiyah
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