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The Truth About Who Fights for Us (Military Demographics show that only 11% are from poorest group)
Wall Street Journal ^ | 09/27/2011 | Ann Marlowe

Posted on 09/27/2011 1:03:31 PM PDT by SeekAndFind

It should no more be necessary to write this article than to prove that there were Jews killed in the World Trade Center on 9/11. And yet the mythology refuses to die. Just last week, two well-educated and well-known writer acquaintances of mine remarked in passing on the "fact" that those who serve in the U.S. military typically have no other career options. America's soldiers, they said, were poor and black.

They don't mean this to denigrate their service—no, they mean it as a critique of American society, which turns its unemployed into cannon fodder. Especially today with high unemployment, the charge goes, hapless youths we fail to educate are embarking on a one-way trip to Afghanistan.

These allegations—most frequently leveled at the Army, the military's biggest service and the one with the highest casualty rate—are false.

In 2008, using data provided by the Defense Department, the Heritage Foundation found that only 11% of enlisted military recruits in 2007 came from the poorest one-fifth, or quintile, of American neighborhoods (as of the 2000 Census), while 25% came from the wealthiest quintile. Heritage reported that "these trends are even more pronounced in the Army Reserve Officer Training Corps (ROTC) program, in which 40% of enrollees come from the wealthiest neighborhoods, a number that has increased substantially over the past four years."

Indeed, the Heritage report showed that "low-income families are underrepresented in the military and high-income families are overrepresented. Individuals from the bottom household income quintile make up 20.0 percent of Americans who are age 18-24 years old but only 10.6 percent of the 2006 recruits and 10.7 percent of the 2007 recruits. Individuals in the top two quintiles make up 40.0 percent of the population, but 49.3 percent of the recruits in both years."

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Front Page News; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: demographics; military
Interesting facts even John Kerry can appreciate * or will he?):

* Whereas blacks comprise 17% of Americans ages 18-39 with high school degrees, they represent only a slightly larger proportion of enlisted soldiers, at 21%.

* Whites were significantly overrepresented among enlisted Army personnel in 2010

* While 58% of Americans 18-39 years old are white, 64% of the Army's enlisted men and women are.

* Whites are underrepresented to a minor degree in only one category, in which blacks are overrepresented: Army officers

* 74% of 25-54 year-olds with bachelor's degrees are white

* 72% of Army officers are white

* 8% of 25-54 year-olds with B.A.s are black

* 13% of Army officers are black

* While 60% of 18-24 year-olds with a high school degree are white and 17% are black, 64% of new enlistees are white and 19% are black.

* Asians and Pacific Islanders, which make up the fastest-growing American demographic, are underrepresented in the Army, as are Hispanics.

1 posted on 09/27/2011 1:03:42 PM PDT by SeekAndFind
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2 posted on 09/27/2011 1:05:16 PM PDT by SeekAndFind (u)
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Evangelicals are listed as including JWs and lds, what knee slapper.


3 posted on 09/27/2011 1:10:06 PM PDT by svcw (Those who are easily shocked... should be shocked more often. - Mae West)
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To: SeekAndFind
the "fact" that those who serve in the U.S. military typically have no other career options

I've heard this myself. It always makes me laugh because it is so stupid. Invariably, the person saying such stuff knows no one who serves in the military.

4 posted on 09/27/2011 1:11:46 PM PDT by Da Bilge Troll (Defeatism is not a winning strategy!)
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5 posted on 09/27/2011 1:12:11 PM PDT by SeekAndFind (u)
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To: SeekAndFind
In 2008, using data provided by the Defense Department, the Heritage Foundation found that only 11% of enlisted military recruits in 2007 came from the poorest one-fifth, or quintile, of American neighborhoods (as of the 2000 Census), while 25% came from the wealthiest quintile. Heritage reported that "these trends are even more pronounced in the Army Reserve Officer Training Corps (ROTC) program, in which 40% of enrollees come from the wealthiest neighborhoods, a number that has increased substantially over the past four years."

Indeed, the Heritage report showed that "low-income families are underrepresented in the military and high-income families are overrepresented. Individuals from the bottom household income quintile make up 20.0 percent of Americans who are age 18-24 years old but only 10.6 percent of the 2006 recruits and 10.7 percent of the 2007 recruits. Individuals in the top two quintiles make up 40.0 percent of the population, but 49.3 percent of the recruits in both years."

Ping for reference.

6 posted on 09/27/2011 1:15:42 PM PDT by Alex Murphy (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2703506/posts?page=518#518)
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To: SeekAndFind

The state by state representation is telling.


7 posted on 09/27/2011 1:16:31 PM PDT by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: svcw

It is evangelistic, not Evangelical.


8 posted on 09/27/2011 1:17:17 PM PDT by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: SeekAndFind

Surprised? Young white males are at the bottom of the civilian quota list — no wonder so many of them join the military. Blacks have been brainwashed into an anti-military view, and a greater proportion of them have criminal records and educational issues (”getting educated is acting white,” social promotion, etc). Hispanics have language and educational problems.


9 posted on 09/27/2011 1:17:29 PM PDT by Socon-Econ (Socon-Econ)
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To: SeekAndFind

Libs live in a fantasy world. Facts are meaningless to them. They are simply ignored or don’t even register. See “cognitive dissonance.”


10 posted on 09/27/2011 1:18:00 PM PDT by piytar (The Obama Depression. Say it early, say it often. Why? Because it's TRUE.)
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To: svcw
Evangelicals are listed as including JWs and lds, what knee slapper.

And "Pentacostals" is spelled wrong.

11 posted on 09/27/2011 1:18:25 PM PDT by Alex Murphy (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2703506/posts?page=518#518)
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To: SeekAndFind

“Well educated”? - evidently not.


12 posted on 09/27/2011 1:19:29 PM PDT by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: SeekAndFind
Silly people!

The libtards never let facts get in the way of a good class warfare/racial card meme!
13 posted on 09/27/2011 1:23:49 PM PDT by ExTxMarine (PRAYER: It's the only HOPE for real CHANGE in America!)
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To: SeekAndFind

Among my small town friends I would say the numbers were fairly equal but the line between rich and poor doesn’t mean a lot among small town conservatives.


14 posted on 09/27/2011 1:32:01 PM PDT by cripplecreek (A vote for Amnesty is a vote for a permanent Democrat majority. ..Choose well.)
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To: SeekAndFind
Interesting facts even John Kerry can appreciate * or will he?):

Did he appreciate this banner?:


15 posted on 09/27/2011 1:36:42 PM PDT by Yossarian ("All the charm of Nixon. All the competency of Carter." - SF Chronicle comment post on Obama)
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To: svcw
Evangelicals are listed as including JWs and lds . . .

They both evangelize, so I really don't see the problem in said classification.

Of course, I'm one of those unenlightened dolts who think Jesus Christ will decide who is and who is not Christian. Not some self-appointed committee of holier-than-thou types.

16 posted on 09/27/2011 1:40:26 PM PDT by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: 1010RD

Actually the disparities are pretty small aside from New England and Pacific regions.


17 posted on 09/27/2011 1:42:02 PM PDT by cripplecreek (A vote for Amnesty is a vote for a permanent Democrat majority. ..Choose well.)
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To: ExTxMarine
The American military learned in Vietnam that the American public will not tolerate significant casualties in any conflict which does not directly threaten the existence of the United States. Therefore, ever since the Ford administration, our armed forces have been transformed into smaller, more technology dependent entities. We had many fewer men on the battlefields of the first Gulf War than did Saddam Hussein. However, our tanks, aircraft and other means of war were dramatically superior to his. In effect, we have substituted machine power for manpower.

Those wonderful machines of war cannot be operated and maintained by persons of low intelligence or those with little education and/or training. For the urban elites to expect that the American military of the 21st Century can be manned primarily by ill-educated denizens of our poorest neighborhoods, they must not understand this basic fact.

18 posted on 09/27/2011 1:45:14 PM PDT by p. henry
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To: SeekAndFind

Hey, once again Indians kick butt with about three times our share of recruits compared to the general population.


19 posted on 09/27/2011 1:45:18 PM PDT by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: SeekAndFind
I don't know the rate today but when my grandson signed up the failure rate for prospective recruits was close to 50%. The military doesn't need to go looking for potential problems

Our young people in service are very much for the most part bright and well motivated, it's not a dumping ground for misfits, not yet, anyway.

20 posted on 09/27/2011 1:48:14 PM PDT by SWAMPSNIPER (The Second Amendment, a Matter of Fact, Not a Matter of Opinion)
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To: Da Bilge Troll

the “fact” that those who serve in the U.S. military typically have no other career options

When I hear the media say this it pisses me off. It is so insulting. I had plenty of opportunities but chose to go into the military (mainly because my parents refused to pay for college because I would have been Mr. Social instead of a serious student) and they were right. Had I shown some interest in the studying part of school, my parents would have paid for college for me. I am the oldest of 3....the other two went to college directly with my parents paying. So screw them in this BS of this is our only option we have in life. That is factually not true.I joined the Navy but worked with the Marine Corps some times and TRUST ME there are a TON of Marines who joined because of family tradition or the fact that it is an honor and they are from influential families, who don’t have a worry in the World with regards to money.....So this author can F himself. It gets me so disgusted when the media pulls this card.


21 posted on 09/27/2011 1:48:14 PM PDT by napscoordinator
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To: Vigilanteman

Yep, they know enough to choose the winning side.


22 posted on 09/27/2011 1:53:15 PM PDT by arrogantsob (Why do They hate her so much?)
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To: cripplecreek

Only for the Midwest. The difference between the Pacific and the Northeast compared to the South and West is in excess of a 40% swing. If I understand the chart.

That seems pretty big.


23 posted on 09/27/2011 1:54:54 PM PDT by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: SeekAndFind
America's soldiers, they said, were poor and black.

My white son will find this to be interesting.

24 posted on 09/27/2011 2:02:25 PM PDT by SoldierDad (Proud dad of an Army Soldier currently deployed in the Valley of Death, Afghanistan)
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Do you have a breakdown of racial distribution by MOS, AFSC, ratings, or whatever the USMC calls their career fields? Specifically who is in combat arms and/or special forces?

I once saw an article on crime committed by the general US population compared to military members similar to your education graph. Would you happen to have access to those stats?


25 posted on 09/27/2011 2:13:54 PM PDT by Tailback
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Thanks for your service. Your post is absolutley dead-on target.

Semper FI,

TS

26 posted on 09/27/2011 2:21:06 PM PDT by The Shrew (www.wintersoldier.com; www.tstrs.com; The Truth Shall Set You Free!)
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To: SeekAndFind

Yup. Whenever lefty’s b**** about the military, it’s a way for them to say white, male and southern.


27 posted on 09/27/2011 2:27:59 PM PDT by Amberdawn
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Thank you. And thank you for your great service. It is such crap that the media pulls this. I happily just retired in June after 24 years. I loved every minute of it but enjoying post retirement too.


28 posted on 09/27/2011 2:34:27 PM PDT by napscoordinator
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To: SeekAndFind

So they need more atheists as chaplains?


29 posted on 09/27/2011 2:39:44 PM PDT by 9YearLurker
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* Whereas blacks comprise 17% of Americans ages 18-39 with high school degrees, they represent only a slightly larger proportion of enlisted soldiers, at 21%.

* Whites were significantly overrepresented among enlisted Army personnel in 2010

* While 58% of Americans 18-39 years old are white, 64% of the Army’s enlisted men and women are.

Hmm. 25% overrepresentation of blacks is “slightly”, while 10% overrepresentation of whites is “significantly” (note: assuming the 18-39 criteria is included in the representation figures, if not they mean pretty much nothing anyway)?


30 posted on 09/27/2011 2:41:02 PM PDT by Darth Reardon (No offense to drunken sailors)
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To: SeekAndFind

Demographics changed drastically in ‘86 when the all volunteer Army came into being.


31 posted on 09/27/2011 2:43:37 PM PDT by CPT Clay (Pick up your weapon and follow me.)
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To: Yossarian

Classic!!!


32 posted on 09/27/2011 2:47:09 PM PDT by CPT Clay (Pick up your weapon and follow me.)
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To: SoldierDad

As will my white son (BS in Computer Science, Major, pilot, USAF, just flew back across the Atlantic from 7 months in Afghanistan), and my white daughter (BA and two MA’s, Staff Sergeant, USMC). We are not a poor family, but we do live in the deep South.


33 posted on 09/27/2011 2:52:24 PM PDT by Sigurdrifta
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To: SeekAndFind

Wow! Nice job.


34 posted on 09/27/2011 2:59:04 PM PDT by Sergio (An object at rest cannot be stopped! - The Evil Midnight Bomber What Bombs at Midnight)
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To: SeekAndFind; Interesting Times
Ping for research!
35 posted on 09/27/2011 3:06:59 PM PDT by The Shrew (www.wintersoldier.com; www.tstrs.com; The Truth Shall Set You Free!)
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Who would that be? I certainly am not holy and have never claimed to be, so I know you aren’t taking about me, which by the way has nothing to do with what I posted.


36 posted on 09/27/2011 3:29:35 PM PDT by svcw (Those who are easily shocked... should be shocked more often. - Mae West)
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To: Da Bilge Troll

The same idiots told the same lies during the Vietnam era and that was a pack of lies as well. During VN the vast majority were white, high school grads, some college or a degree and mostly from a middle income background. Back then the democrats in congress had to mandate project 200,000 to ensure that the services brought in a representation of those who could not meet the minimum intelligence requirements. There were a number of these people in another training program where I was taking training and some of them could barely walk and talk at the same time. More social engineering.


37 posted on 09/27/2011 4:13:07 PM PDT by RJS1950 (The democrats are the "enemies foreign and domestic" cited in the federal oath)
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To: SeekAndFind

It isn’t uncommon for recruiters to be able to closely guess a recruit’s test scores based upon the recruit’s zip code.

And there is a strong correlation between economic success and IQ. The top test scores don’t come from the derelict nieghborhoods.


38 posted on 09/27/2011 4:51:01 PM PDT by Eagle Eye (Proud to be a RINO.)
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Are there any stats breaking things down by state, metro area, or city?

Also, how about religion and race? For example: white Catholic, white Protestant, Hispanic Catholic, black Protestant, etc.


39 posted on 09/27/2011 5:50:06 PM PDT by WPaCon
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To: SWAMPSNIPER

Bright and motivated ... yep, that fits all of our friends, neighbors and kin-folk in the military.

I wonder if some of the lower-income groups have trouble meeting fitness and education requirements.


40 posted on 09/27/2011 6:37:32 PM PDT by Cloverfarm (This too shall pass ...)
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The last several years I worked I reviewed a lot of job applications, all from high school graduates. It was a dismal experience.


41 posted on 09/27/2011 6:43:37 PM PDT by SWAMPSNIPER (The Second Amendment, a Matter of Fact, Not a Matter of Opinion)
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To: SeekAndFind; KitJ; T Minus Four; xzins; CMS; The Sailor; ab01; txradioguy; Jet Jaguar; Defender2; ..

Active Duty/Retiree Ping.


42 posted on 09/27/2011 6:51:56 PM PDT by Jet Jaguar
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The stats are even more revealing when broken down by combat arms MOS's versus support MOS's. Turns out the warriors are white, middle class and southern in large part while Hispancis are also overrepresented in combat arms. Blacks are underrepresented.

Another myth gone by the wayside.

43 posted on 09/27/2011 6:52:38 PM PDT by jwalsh07 (t)
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To: svcw

Thankfully, they didnt throw them in with the Catholics.


44 posted on 09/27/2011 6:54:23 PM PDT by RBIEL2
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To: Eagle Eye
And there is a strong correlation between economic success and IQ. The top test scores don’t come from the derelict nieghborhoods.

Perhaps not but those country boys sure could shoot. And that isn't to say the folks I'm talking about were inferior intellectually. But one guy definitely was and man he could shoot the lights out literally.:-}

45 posted on 09/27/2011 6:56:44 PM PDT by jwalsh07 (t)
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Urban zip codes typically had lower scores than rural zip codes. Typically, but not always.


46 posted on 09/27/2011 7:05:10 PM PDT by Eagle Eye (Proud to be a RINO.)
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Urban here. Kouldn’t shoot, kouldn’t spel.


47 posted on 09/27/2011 7:12:27 PM PDT by jwalsh07 (t)
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To: Sigurdrifta
From me: Thank you for the service of your son and daughter to our country (and please thank them for me).

From Liberals: How dare you violate our mold of who serves in the military! Just who do you think you are?

Me again: These libtards really anger me.

48 posted on 09/28/2011 10:08:33 AM PDT by SoldierDad (Proud dad of an Army Soldier currently deployed in the Valley of Death, Afghanistan)
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To: jwalsh07

Bof lef feets?


49 posted on 09/28/2011 6:38:20 PM PDT by Eagle Eye (Proud to be a RINO.)
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