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Sen. Chuck Grassley: Government Sold Guns to "Underworld"
opposingviews.com ^ | 27 September, 2011 | Mark Berman

Posted on 09/28/2011 5:20:28 AM PDT by marktwain

A Senator is accusing the United States government of selling guns to the "underworld," and that he is being "stonewalled" in his investigation.

Newsmax reports that Iowa Republican Sen. Chuck Grassley said this operation was similar to the "Fast and Furious" scheme in which the government sent guns to Mexico, and then tracked them to determine which ones were used in crimes.

“It’s hard to distinguish between the two, but evidence has come out that the orders came down from Justice that our agents were supposed to take taxpayers money, buy guns that shouldn’t have been sold, get them to the underworld,” Grassley told Fox News’ Greta Van Susteren. “The sale was made to the underworld. It happens to be that in this particular case, the federal government made a little bit of money, but that’s not the main issue.

“The main issue is that you would think they would arrest the people that bought them illegally -- no, they were told to just follow the guns -- they followed the guns to a storehouse. They would not have 24-hour surveillance except for one of the agents decided to stay there six days,” Grassley said. “A truck came along to load up the guns. They called for help to arrest them in the process of transferring the guns, but they wouldn’t send anybody to arrest them, so the guns got over -- got some place, maybe over the border -- and they were never traced, which was the purpose of the operation in the first place.”

Grassley said he is trying to investigate, but the Justice Department is not cooperating.

“There’s something sinister going on -- they’re doing everything they can to avoid the issue -- they want to stonewall us and string us along,” Grassley said.

Van Susteren said she had a letter from the Justice Department to Grassley saying that allegations are false.

“It is a false statement from the Department of Justice -- they knew about this -- I made reference to this in my first letter as they indicated, and the order came directly to an ATF agent to make the sale,” Grassley said.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: atf; banglist; fastandfurious; grassley; gunrunner; gunwalker
Senator Grassley must be encouraged by the recent revelations. Let us hope that he vigorously persues this lead.
1 posted on 09/28/2011 5:20:35 AM PDT by marktwain
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To: MestaMachine

Gunwalker ping.


2 posted on 09/28/2011 5:21:16 AM PDT by marktwain (In an age of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act.)
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To: marktwain
Grassley said he is trying to investigate, but the Justice Department is not cooperating.

I would suggest that Sen. Grassley obtain more security.

3 posted on 09/28/2011 5:22:21 AM PDT by unixfox (Abolish Slavery, Repeal The 16th Amendment!)
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To: marktwain

Okay. So just what the hell are you going to do about it, Senator Grassley?


4 posted on 09/28/2011 5:24:45 AM PDT by Howie66 (I can see November (2012) from my house.)
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To: unixfox
In a sane world, Congress would impeach at least the Department heads involved and depending on his involvement take impeachment action against the President himself. Instead, he's running for re-election.
Holder2w
It's fully paid for.
Considering the level of stupidity on display at ATF, the agency might want to consider an insanity defense.

5 posted on 09/28/2011 5:25:16 AM PDT by BobP (The piss-stream media - Never to be watched again in my house)
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To: marktwain; Joe Brower; Nachum; MestaMachine; Lurker
I wonder when the MSM is going to stop pretending not to notice the worst scandal in American history?


6 posted on 09/28/2011 5:26:09 AM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: marktwain

About as clear an example of the government against We the People as exists..


7 posted on 09/28/2011 5:26:20 AM PDT by mo
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To: marktwain

I believe that Obama and Holder are directly tied into this Gunwalker mess. That Obama was not kidding when he told Mrs. Brady that they were working under the radar.

I also believe that sooner or later Sen. Grassley will be told to ease the investigation and it will all dissappear.

Most of the American Public is still unaware this is even going on , thanks to the Obamedia.

I cannot force myself to believe that anyone at the top will be brought to justice in this case. I just cannot see it happening.


8 posted on 09/28/2011 5:28:02 AM PDT by Venturer
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To: marktwain

Now answer the question of “Why would the do this?”

And then follow that with “With what ultimate goal?”

Answers:
to implement gun restrictions for Americans
with the goal of dictatorial takeover with little resistance


9 posted on 09/28/2011 5:28:36 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter knows whom he's working for)
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To: Venturer
I cannot force myself to believe that anyone at the top will be brought to justice in this case. I just cannot see it happening.

Because we have the FBP at this time in history?
or because this is just too big of an evil for the common man to accept in our own government?
or, back to the first reason, those involved have the luxury of an impenetrable melanin-based shield against criticism and ethics charges?

10 posted on 09/28/2011 5:31:45 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter knows whom he's working for)
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To: marktwain

If our leaders, and us, won’t stand up to this, they will know they can do whatever they want because there is no one to hold them accountable. Somehow the guilty people MUST be held accountable.


11 posted on 09/28/2011 5:42:55 AM PDT by Linda Frances
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12 posted on 09/28/2011 5:43:56 AM PDT by bcsco (Take a Cain - and cure the Pain!)
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To: marktwain
Underworld?


13 posted on 09/28/2011 5:44:40 AM PDT by frithguild (We admitted we were powerless over government - that out lives had become unmanageable)
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14 posted on 09/28/2011 5:58:17 AM PDT by MestaMachine (Wanna confuse obama? Ask him his REAL name.)
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To: bcsco

Talk....talk....talk.....OK Chuck, what the hell are you going to DO about it ?


15 posted on 09/28/2011 5:58:36 AM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (God, family, country, mom, apple pie, the girl next door and a Ford F250 to pull my boat.)
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To: stephenjohnbanker

I think part of the problem with ‘traction’ has been this talk vs. action on the part of Congress. Sure, we’ve had hearings and such, but it just seems stalled. Time to take the gloves off. But I’m not sure Grassley is that interested.


16 posted on 09/28/2011 6:02:47 AM PDT by bcsco (Take a Cain - and cure the Pain!)
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To: MrB

Go farther. Weapons were also “walked” to Guatemala and points south to marxist rebels. They made their way to Honduras as well. MARXIST rebels. We don’t know how many or where they ended up.


17 posted on 09/28/2011 6:04:25 AM PDT by MestaMachine (Wanna confuse obama? Ask him his REAL name.)
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To: MestaMachine

Why should that be a surprise when we have a MARXIST as president?


18 posted on 09/28/2011 6:14:24 AM PDT by Fresh Wind ('People have got to know whether or not their President is a crook.' Richard M. Nixon)
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To: bcsco

It’s quite possible that they are overwhelmed at the sheer magnitude of this entire government-run operation...and they are scared to death because it is only the tip of the iceberg. The more they find out, the bigger and more heinous the crimes involved. And they involve all the intel services and the entire justice department along with the state department and the president of the United States. Think about it.
This is high treason.


19 posted on 09/28/2011 6:15:10 AM PDT by MestaMachine (Wanna confuse obama? Ask him his REAL name.)
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To: MestaMachine

That could be. But it’s not a good picture, is it. In any case it even more demands action.


20 posted on 09/28/2011 6:18:42 AM PDT by bcsco (Take a Cain - and cure the Pain!)
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To: Fresh Wind

I am not even close to surprised. Sickened. Angry. Scared. Horrified. Terrified. But not surprised.


21 posted on 09/28/2011 6:18:41 AM PDT by MestaMachine (Wanna confuse obama? Ask him his REAL name.)
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To: Venturer

Sadly, I agree...the Justice dept. is owned.

The only out I can see is if the Mexican government actually takes up the cause...like threatening toshut down American business interests in their country..unlikely...but not out of the realm of possibility. then the GE’s and other compaines running there would demand action.


22 posted on 09/28/2011 6:22:13 AM PDT by SueRae (I can see November 2012 from my HOUSE!!!!!!!!)
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To: SueRae

As faras I am concerned there is no Mexican Government.

They are not in control of their own country.

Certainly they are not going to upset the applecart of American jobs coming into their realm.

Our only chane is to elect a President with a strong hand that will do what is necessary to straightn out the mess our agencies are in.

When George Bush was elected his first order of business should have been to reorganise the State Department the CIA and the FBI, instead he let Gorelicks Ban on communications between the FBI,CIA, and local police agencies to stand , and that resulted in 911.

Bush made a lot of mistakes,trying to be Mr. Nice Guy, but he had Congress fighting him all the way with his administrative appointments. Whoever we replace Obama with, must be strong. We must clean out this nest of Democrat sycophants and take back our Government, even if it means violating Civil service regs. Regulations that protect the sycophanyts and destroy the efficiency of the Alphabet agencies they have infiltrated.

We need good Government, One that works, todays is merely butt kissers and those frightened of Obama’s wrath.

I see only one person with the strength to do this, and she isn’t Michelle Bachman.


23 posted on 09/28/2011 6:46:23 AM PDT by Venturer
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To: Venturer

True, the Mexican government has lost control of that country. The only real issue in Mexico now is which Cartel is in charge- that is what the murders are all about...

Yet many think the border problems are not a real issue and we should only consider the “important” issues when choosing a candidate for President.


24 posted on 09/28/2011 6:55:22 AM PDT by Tammy8 (~Secure the border and deport all illegals- do it now! ~ Support our Troops!~)
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To: MrB

See my post #23

The worst thing wrong in this country today is a Media
That is as bad or worse than the Media Hitler had helping him. We are being fed Democrat propaganda as fact, and too many Americans are sleeping through the problem.

Ask your friends about Gunwalker and Solyndra, and you will be surprised at how many never heard of either.If it weren’t for Free Republic many of us would be as ignorant as they.

Our Media isn’t supplying us with news, or fcts, they are feeding us what THEY want us to know.Journalism is nothing more today than propaganda.

Look what is happening to our country. Religion under fire, Atheists wanting to ban the cross, Queers wanting to teach homopsexuality in schools. Queers destroying the sacrament of marriage,Illegals wlking over the border like there is no border, drinking and killing people in car accidents when they have no business driving or even being in the country, Dope prevalent in out communities, lowered school standards while we keep pouring more and more money into schools, Our roads falling apart because money meant to fix roads is going to stadiums and supporting Casa De Maryland and other such agencies, Obama supporting higher tax’s while the State County and Real Estate tax’;s are also being raised, the cost of fuel, and food because we are making fuel out of food, the banning of coal powered electrical plants while feeding money to green projects that don’t work.

I could go on all day in this rant, but you get the picture.

What possible reason can we have in this country to be importing expensive oil and sending our money to people who hate us when we have all we can use right here? Why are we destroying our boat engines and car engines with ethanol and raisning the price of food,when we have fuel here in abundance if we just drill for it.?


25 posted on 09/28/2011 7:02:47 AM PDT by Venturer
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To: harpseal; TexasCowboy; nunya bidness; AAABEST; Travis McGee; Squantos; wku man; SLB; ...
Travis McGee wrote:
"I wonder when the MSM is going to stop pretending not to notice the worst scandal in American history?"

How about never? They aren't pretending anything -- they are deliberately bending over backwards to keep these high crimes from seeing the light of day.

Just as they did when then enabled these Chicago gangsters to attain the Oval Office in the first place. It is all of a piece.

Click the Gadsden flag for pro-gun resources!

26 posted on 09/28/2011 7:12:50 AM PDT by Joe Brower (Sheep have three speeds: "graze", "stampede" and "cower".)
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To: Venturer; All
Our Media isn’t supplying us with news, or fcts, they are feeding us what THEY want us to know.Journalism is nothing more today than propaganda.

Bingo. You win the prize. More and more people are understanding this. The MSM mediacracy is losing control. Our job is to help the new media (such as freerepublic) grow and fill the void. Glenn Beck is working to help with Glenn Beck TV. The motto is: Change the Media, Change the world.

27 posted on 09/28/2011 7:19:03 AM PDT by marktwain (In an age of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act.)
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To: marktwain

There isn’t enough time or manpower to investigate all the dirt. Or the b#lls to implicate a man of the anointed race.

So, who’s gonna say “let’s roll”? And will there be anything left to fight for?


28 posted on 09/28/2011 7:21:30 AM PDT by vanilla swirl (We are the Patrick Henry we have been waiting for!)
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To: Joe Brower
"I wonder when the MSM is going to stop pretending not to notice the worst scandal in American history?"

George Soros has invested holdings in over 30 news orgs in the US. Aside from the liberal whacked mindset of the MSM that may have something to do with it.

29 posted on 09/28/2011 7:26:07 AM PDT by drypowder
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To: marktwain

Revisiting the X Caliber gun running/straw buyer story of events from a few years prior

http://investigativereportingworkshop.org/investigations/gunrunners/story/romania-mexico-arizona/

I came across this...

“I get a call and they tell me to get guns,” Cesar Bojorguez-Gamez told ATF agents Hope MacAllister and Clayton Merrill during his arrest.”...

Read more: http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/gunrunners-mexico/phoenix/straw-buyers.html#ixzz1ZG6wsRvZ

Fast & Furious gets stranger and stranger.


30 posted on 09/28/2011 8:01:06 AM PDT by MurrietaMadman
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To: 2nd amendment mama

ping!


31 posted on 09/28/2011 8:06:56 AM PDT by basil (It's time to rid the country of "gun free zones" aka "Killing Fields")
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To: bcsco

Charges of “high crimes” are tricky to pin on the most powerful. They have strong motivation to deflect the accusations, and power/influence to do so.

This is hardball with hand grenades.


32 posted on 09/28/2011 8:29:04 AM PDT by ctdonath2 ($1 meals: http://abuckaplate.blogspot.com/)
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To: marktwain

“There’s something sinister going on — they’re doing everything they can to avoid the issue — they want to stonewall us and string us along,” Grassley said.


These two investigating Republicans have no power over Obama and Holder because they have no allegence to our system of law and government and no ethics. As Algore would say, there is no controlling legal authority.


33 posted on 09/28/2011 8:58:38 AM PDT by SaraJohnson
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To: Travis McGee
I wonder when the MSM is going to stop pretending not to notice the worst scandal in American history?

I wonder when the Democratic Party media is going to stop pretending not to notice the worst scandal in American history?

[edited for clarity!)

34 posted on 09/28/2011 10:32:33 AM PDT by archy (I'd give my right arm to be ambidextrous!)
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To: Joe Brower
How about never? They aren't pretending anything -- they are deliberately bending over backwards to keep these high crimes from seeing the light of day.

Just as they did when then enabled these Chicago gangsters to attain the Oval Office in the first place. It is all of a piece.

Ding ding ding! We have a winner!!!

35 posted on 09/28/2011 12:16:04 PM PDT by piytar (The Obama Depression. Say it early, say it often. Why? Because it's TRUE.)
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To: MestaMachine
Go farther. Weapons were also “walked” to Guatemala and points south to marxist rebels. They made their way to Honduras as well. MARXIST rebels. We don’t know how many or where they ended up.

Oh, we have a pretty good idea where. And why.

36 posted on 09/28/2011 3:42:29 PM PDT by archy (I'd give my right arm to be ambidextrous!)
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To: archy

I’m afraid you’re right. We, ourselves, are in a full scale civil war and don’t even realize it. And the real violence is NOT going to confine itself to Mexico.
We are staring dead in the face of a marxxist revolution run out of our own government. high treason.


37 posted on 09/28/2011 3:52:23 PM PDT by MestaMachine (Wanna confuse obama? Ask him his REAL name.)
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To: MestaMachine

marxist


38 posted on 09/28/2011 3:53:58 PM PDT by MestaMachine (Wanna confuse obama? Ask him his REAL name.)
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To: MestaMachine
We are staring dead in the face of a marxxist revolution run out of our own government. high treason.

We have a fifth column of domestic enemies directly assisting the foreign ones. There are plenty of both kinds.

"We have Nicaragua, soon we will have El Salvador, Guatemala, Honduras, Costa Rica, and Mexico. One day, tomorrow or five years or fifteen years from now, we're going to take 5 to 10 million Mexicans and they are going into Dallas, into El Paso, into Houston, into New Mexico, into San Diego, and each one will have embedded in his mind the idea of killing ten Americans."

--Thomas Borge, Nicaragua Interior Minister, as quoted in the Washington Times, March 27, 1985

39 posted on 09/28/2011 4:50:09 PM PDT by archy (I'd give my right arm to be ambidextrous!)
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To: marktwain

Underworld = Democrats


40 posted on 09/29/2011 9:15:27 AM PDT by The Duke
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