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"Fast And Furious" Just Might Be President Obama's Watergate
Forbes ^ | September 28, 2011 | Frank Miniter

Posted on 09/28/2011 8:34:19 AM PDT by maggief

Why a gunrunning scandal codenamed “Fast and Furious,” a program run secretly by the U.S. government that sent thousands of firearms over an international border and directly into the hands of criminals, hasn’t been pursued by an army of reporters all trying to be the next Bob Woodward or Carl Bernstein is a story in itself.

But the state of modern journalism aside, this scandal is so inflammatory few realize that official records show the current director of the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF), B. Todd Jones — yes the individual the Obama administration brought in to replace ATF Director Kenneth Melson Aug. 30 in an effort to deflect congressional criticism — also has questions to answer about his involvement in this gunrunning scandal.

Fast and Furious was an operation so cloak-and-dagger Mexican authorities weren’t even notified that thousands of semi-automatic firearms were being sold to people in Arizona thought to have links to Mexican drug cartels. According to ATF whistleblowers, in 2009 the U.S. government began instructing gun storeowners to break the law by selling firearms to suspected criminals. ATF agents then, again according to testimony by ATF agents turned whistleblowers, were ordered not to intercept the smugglers but rather to let the guns “walk” across the U.S.-Mexican border and into the hands of Mexican drug-trafficking organizations.

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1 posted on 09/28/2011 8:34:23 AM PDT by maggief
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To: maggief

What did BHO know and when did he know it?


2 posted on 09/28/2011 8:35:57 AM PDT by Gen. Burkhalter
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To: maggief

Worse - The Watergate break-in and cover-up didn’t kill anyone.


3 posted on 09/28/2011 8:39:23 AM PDT by Army Air Corps (Four fried chickens and a coke)
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To: maggief

It has become obvious that the Constitutional protections for the right to keep and bear arms were being subverted for a leftist political goal of the administration. This program was one of the vehicles.

As the media has the same constitution subverting political agenda, they have chosen to ignore the illegal and subversive activity of the members of the administration responsible for this in the White House and Justice Department.


4 posted on 09/28/2011 8:40:27 AM PDT by KC Burke
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To: maggief

Please move on, nothing to see here, nothing to see here, please move on.


5 posted on 09/28/2011 8:42:00 AM PDT by immadashell
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To: maggief

There will be no obama Watergate with the mainstream media. They’ll cry racism.


6 posted on 09/28/2011 8:42:16 AM PDT by boycott (CAL)
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To: Gen. Burkhalter

It was most likely something he helped plan.


7 posted on 09/28/2011 8:42:16 AM PDT by SWAMPSNIPER (The Second Amendment, a Matter of Fact, Not a Matter of Opinion)
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To: maggief
Watergate was nothing, a minor infraction compared to this, still unknown multiples of people have died and will die as result of Fast & Furious.

Those at the highest levels of complicity, must face the death penalty.

8 posted on 09/28/2011 8:46:22 AM PDT by PoloSec ( Believe how that Christ died for our sins, was buried and rose again for our justification)
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To: MestaMachine

6-page article ping


9 posted on 09/28/2011 8:46:42 AM PDT by thouworm (.)
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To: thouworm

From the excellent 6 page article;

“Evidently to quell internal dissension, on March 12, 2010 David Voth, the ATF’s Phoenix Group VII supervisor, sent an e-mail to field agents that said, “Whether you care or not people of rank and authority at HQ are paying close attention to this case and they also believe we (Phoenix Group VII) are doing what they envisioned the Southwest Border Groups doing.” Voth’s e-mail went on to say, “It may sound cheesy, but we are ‘The Tip of the ATF spear’ when it comes to Southwest Border Firearms Trafficking. We need to resolve our issues at this meeting. I will be damned if this case is going to suffer due to petty arguing, rumors or other adolescent behavior. If you don’t think this is fun you’re in the wrong line of work — period.”


10 posted on 09/28/2011 8:49:45 AM PDT by Dr. Bogus Pachysandra ( Ya can't pick up a turd by the clean end!)
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To: maggief

I’ve got my hopes up too many times.


11 posted on 09/28/2011 8:50:05 AM PDT by vanilla swirl (We are the Patrick Henry we have been waiting for!)
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To: maggief

I’ll believe it when I see it. So far, Obama has been above the law.


12 posted on 09/28/2011 8:50:30 AM PDT by BuckeyeTexan (Man is not free unless government is limited. ~Ronald Reagan)
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To: maggief

Watergate? Remind me again, how many people died during Watergate?

Burglary vs. murder, followed by a coverup, bungled as it is, stonewalling by DOJ. Watergate looks like a juvenile prank compared to this ongoing crime.


13 posted on 09/28/2011 8:51:07 AM PDT by SueRae (I can see November 2012 from my HOUSE!!!!!!!!)
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To: boycott

The media used the coverup of the Watergate break in to remove a white republican president.
Obama’s media won’t touch this.


14 posted on 09/28/2011 8:51:12 AM PDT by Texas resident (Hunkered Down)
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To: maggief

More like 0bama’s and Holder’s Iran-Contra.


15 posted on 09/28/2011 8:54:11 AM PDT by SueRae (I can see November 2012 from my HOUSE!!!!!!!!)
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To: maggief

I don’t see the big deal. They threw away $500 million dollars of taxpayers’ money but they got two photo-ops out of it (one for Obama and one for Biden). Obama is wasting taxpayer money on photo-ops every day (except when he’s at Martha’s Vineyard)—the individual photo-ops are less expensive than the Solyndra rathole, but put them all together and it might come close to that cost.


16 posted on 09/28/2011 8:58:25 AM PDT by Verginius Rufus
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To: maggief

Might be?

If the media treated 0 like they did Nixon, it would be all over.


17 posted on 09/28/2011 9:00:13 AM PDT by TribalPrincess2U (Rabid democRATS and 0bama the dictator own it all now.)
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To: maggief

Thanks for posting. While I am aware of Fast and Furious, I had not read the details before this.

I was not aware that Obama may have sold these thousands of guns for political purposes of being able to say that Mexican criminals buy their guns in the USA.


18 posted on 09/28/2011 9:05:04 AM PDT by Presbyterian Reporter
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To: SueRae
How many people died during Watergate?

It depends on what you believe about United Airlines flight 533, which crashed near Chicago Midway airport on Dec. 8, 1972. One of the 45 people killed was Dorothy Hunt, wife of Watergate figure E. Howard Hunt. There was also a Democratic Congressman killed, George W. Collins, who was black.

It's generally considered to have been an accident, but there were conspiracy theorists who thought otherwise.

19 posted on 09/28/2011 9:05:53 AM PDT by Verginius Rufus
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To: thouworm

Somehow I do not believe it will play out the same. I don’t see Zero giving up his office like President Nixon, to spare the Country further grief. Zero could pull that Marshall Law card.

Please read my tagline.


20 posted on 09/28/2011 9:06:51 AM PDT by Tomato lover (We need an army of Herman Cain voters!!)
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To: Verginius Rufus

Oops...should have paid more attention to what the thread was about...thought it was about the Solyndra scandal. The “Fast and Furious” matter is indeed much more serious, and would be a major scandal if the media wasn’t so committed to protecting this administration.


21 posted on 09/28/2011 9:08:31 AM PDT by Verginius Rufus
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To: maggief

It is worse than Watergate.Watergate was only a B&E this is murder of citizen border agents and unknown innocent people in Mexican towns on the other side of the border.


22 posted on 09/28/2011 9:09:23 AM PDT by chris_bdba
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To: golux

NOTE AUTHOR


23 posted on 09/28/2011 9:12:06 AM PDT by Kenny Bunk (Team Obama will not shrink from violence to remain in power. Be ready.)
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To: maggief
IMHO (as big as it is), I have a solution to “Fast and Furious”.

Since the Mexicans have confirmed over 200 deaths caused by guns “walked” across our common border why don't we expedite government officials involved in “Fast and Furious” to Mexico?

The only way to avoid this act is to have all named senior players turn “Congressional Evidence” and provide documented answers to all questions posed.

Fifth Amendment be damned. Their actions, individually and collectively have forever damaged the “full faith and credit” of the Unites States. Their actions will endanger every American citizen who travels to or lives in Mexico. So, why should they be able to hide? Additionally, when was the last time you heard of the State Department taking active measures to protect Americans abroad?

If a “person of interest” fails to fully answer questions and provide documentary backup for his statements he should be judged guilty as “an unindited co-conspirator” and treated harshly.

Just a few cycles of my proposed system will go a long, LONG, way to curbing the illegal activities of various Washington bureaucrats.

Will it happen?

Hello No. After all why does the republic exist these days - so support “We, the People” or shield our ruling elites from their illegal and immoral activities?

24 posted on 09/28/2011 9:14:00 AM PDT by Nip (TANSTAAFL and BOHICA)
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To: SueRae
"More like 0bama’s and Holder’s Iran-Contra.

Yeah, I agree. There is probably complete deniability at the Presidential level. A few underlings will have to go, maybe even Holder,and some serious embarrassment will ensue, but that's it. Don't expect Obama to resign.

25 posted on 09/28/2011 9:16:37 AM PDT by cookcounty (2012 choice: It's the Tea Party or the Slumber Party.)
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To: MestaMachine

Ping.

This six-page article provides a stunning summary of what we know thus far about Fast & Furious.

(BTW, please add me to your ping list.)


26 posted on 09/28/2011 9:21:05 AM PDT by BuckeyeTexan (Man is not free unless government is limited. ~Ronald Reagan)
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To: cookcounty
Don't expect Obama to resign.

But don't be surprised. Everything has been going off-script for those people. We've been disappointed so many times with Democratic scandals that go nowhere, but this thing is breaking worse and worse. When Clinton's trash started catching up with him, he had Reagan-Bush's economy to discourage widespread discontent. But this atmosphere is different. Nobody's happy with this clown, and that encourages stray negativity that snowballs.

Part of what happened to Nixon is that a lot of people, including conservatives, were mad at him—adding to the core of Stalinists who were still sore about his nailing Hiss. It's too long before the election before the Dems will start closing ranks. For Barky, this is the worst possible time for this stuff to be breaking.

27 posted on 09/28/2011 9:26:00 AM PDT by SamuraiScot
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To: kalee

for later


28 posted on 09/28/2011 9:35:45 AM PDT by kalee (The offenses we give, we write in the dust; Those we take, we engrave in marble. J Huett 1658)
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To: TribalPrincess2U

It is obvious that this is an obama-holder operation for the end result of gun control. It may take a while but they will probably get what they deserve out of this.


29 posted on 09/28/2011 9:36:36 AM PDT by DCmarcher-976453 (SARAH PALIN 2012)
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To: maggief

,,,,, one major draw back ,,,,, the holder injusiice dept . Files are probably being scrubbed as we breath ,,,


30 posted on 09/28/2011 9:40:47 AM PDT by Lionheartusa1 (-: Socialism is the equal distribution of misery :-)
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To: Nip
Fifth Amendment be damned.

Absolutely not! Our Constitutional rights are sacred and must not be used as weapons. As much as I want to see Obama and Holder be prosecuted for their role(s) in this, I don't want to bend the Constitution for political purposes.

31 posted on 09/28/2011 9:45:48 AM PDT by BuckeyeTexan (Man is not free unless government is limited. ~Ronald Reagan)
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To: Texas resident
Exactly right. The press won't cover it and it will go nowhere, regardless of how many died or how much evidence there is. Even Issa can't get any traction or coverage.
32 posted on 09/28/2011 9:51:05 AM PDT by dan on the right
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To: maggief

For later. Thanks.


33 posted on 09/28/2011 10:04:57 AM PDT by Lurker (The avalanche has begun. The pebbles no longer have a vote.)
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To: Lionheartusa1

REPORT: Mr. President, what are you doing about gun control. ANSWER: We are working on gun control “Under the Radar”. To me that answer and similar answers from Hillary and other socialist democrats tells the whole story behind the reasons for this idioic undertaking. The socialists motto “The end justifies the means” is on full display in the Fast and Furious operation. 2012 can not come soon enough to clean out these idelogical frauds from any government authority.


34 posted on 09/28/2011 10:05:30 AM PDT by spawn44 (spawn44)
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To: maggief

Wow - probably one of the best articles yet on this.


35 posted on 09/28/2011 10:13:03 AM PDT by GlockThe Vote (The Obama Adminstration: The flash mob who wonÂ’t leave.)
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To: maggief

bump fpr later


36 posted on 09/28/2011 10:16:36 AM PDT by Ditter
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To: maggief
ATF field agents soon began to question the sanity of letting guns “walk.” Evidently to quell internal dissension, on March 12, 2010 David Voth, the ATF’s Phoenix Group VII supervisor, sent an e-mail to field agents that said, “Whether you care or not people of rank and authority at HQ are paying close attention to this case and they also believe we (Phoenix Group VII) are doing what they envisioned the Southwest Border Groups doing.” Voth’s e-mail went on to say, “It may sound cheesy, but we are ‘The Tip of the ATF spear’ when it comes to Southwest Border Firearms Trafficking. We need to resolve our issues at this meeting. I will be damned if this case is going to suffer due to petty arguing, rumors or other adolescent behavior. If you don’t think this is fun you’re in the wrong line of work — period.”

Holy crap, this is positively explosive stuff. This article is comprehensive and fascinating.

There should be alot of government officials in jail right now.

37 posted on 09/28/2011 10:18:30 AM PDT by dead (I've got my eye out for Mullah Omar.)
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To: maggief
The more you read, the more infuriating it gets. This story should be on the front page of the New York Times for 100 straight days. If this was a GOP Administration, the New York Times would cover nothing else.

Obviously perplexed with what to do with Melson, the U.S. Justice Department moved Melson to a new post inside the ATF, a position that protects his retirement package. Perhaps this is some of the “appropriate action” President Obama said would be taken, if so, more appropriate action soon followed.

The Obama administration next promoted some of the officials who ran the program. William G. McMahon, who was the ATF’s deputy director of operations in the West, William D. Newell, and David Voth, who were both field supervisors who oversaw the Fast and Furious program out of the agency’s Phoenix office, were promoted to positions in Washington, D.C. Voth is the one who said in an email, “If you don’t think [Fast and Furious] is fun you’re in the wrong line of work — period.” And, when asked if guns were being allowed to cross the southern border, Newell is the one who said, “Hell, no.” Yet both got cushy desk jobs in D.C.

38 posted on 09/28/2011 10:26:29 AM PDT by dead (I've got my eye out for Mullah Omar.)
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To: PoloSec
still unknown multiples of people have died and will die as result of Fast & Furious

We have some idea:

Marisela Morales, Mexico’s attorney general, is reporting that at least 200 Mexican deaths can now be traced to weapons from the Fast and Furious program.

39 posted on 09/28/2011 10:29:03 AM PDT by dead (I've got my eye out for Mullah Omar.)
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To: maggief

Turn them all over to Mexico and let them sort it out.


40 posted on 09/28/2011 10:43:18 AM PDT by wiggen (The teacher card. When the racism card just won't work.)
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To: BuckeyeTexan
So far, Obama has been above the law.

Not above the law, AROUND the law.

41 posted on 09/28/2011 11:35:58 AM PDT by Only1choice____Freedom (FDR had the New Deal. President 0bama has the Raw Deal.)
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To: Only1choice____Freedom

Above, around, through, over, under ...


42 posted on 09/28/2011 11:41:23 AM PDT by BuckeyeTexan (Man is not free unless government is limited. ~Ronald Reagan)
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To: maggief
Mention the Fast and Furious scandal and 90 percent of all Americans will have no idea of what you're talking about.
 
They're too busy watching this....
 
 
And its all by design.  
 

43 posted on 09/28/2011 11:46:52 AM PDT by Responsibility2nd (NO LIBS! This means liberals AND libertarians (same thing) NO LIBS!)
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To: Texas resident
Obama’s media won’t touch this.

True, and their support will surely keep this from rising to Watergate levels of scandal, but on the other hand, the cat is out of the bag now, and it can't be ignored completely, either.

One can only hope that Issa will keep the heat on, and make this a major thorn in the administration's side.

44 posted on 09/28/2011 12:10:47 PM PDT by absalom01 (You should do your duty in all things. You can never do more, you should never wish to do less.)
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To: maggief

I’m happy to see the story actually made it to Forbes. Could it be that in spite of the LSM the cat is slowing clawing its way out of the bag?


45 posted on 09/28/2011 12:51:27 PM PDT by greatplains
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To: maggief
Why a gunrunning scandal codenamed “Fast and Furious...hasn’t been pursued by an army of reporters all trying to be the next Bob Woodward or Carl Bernstein is a story in itself.

And why this story in itself hasn't been pursued by an army of pundits is another story in itself.

But hey, better late than never.

46 posted on 09/28/2011 12:55:20 PM PDT by giotto
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To: vette6387; MetaThought; 60Gunner; XHogPilot; FreedomPoster; Josephat; Prince of Space; ...
Sorry I'm late today. Important ping.

FOR REFERENCE:

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A Journalist's guide to 'Project Gunwalker'-Part One

A Journalist's Guide to 'Project Gunwalker'-Part Two

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A Journalist's Guide to 'Project Gunwalker'-Part Five

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(updated)

HAPPY NEW YEAR, 5772

47 posted on 09/28/2011 3:11:50 PM PDT by MestaMachine (Wanna confuse obama? Ask him his REAL name.)
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To: Jet Jaguar; NorwegianViking; ExTexasRedhead; HollyB; FromLori; EricTheRed_VocalMinority; ...

The list, ping

Let me know if you would like to be on or off the ping list

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48 posted on 09/28/2011 3:28:06 PM PDT by Nachum (The complete Obama list at www.nachumlist.com)
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To: thouworm; BuckeyeTexan

Thank you guys for the pings! Much appreciated,


49 posted on 09/28/2011 3:42:42 PM PDT by MestaMachine (Wanna confuse obama? Ask him his REAL name.)
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To: maggief

Brian Terry’s Family Prepares For Funeral, Rips Obama Admin.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tPopTU43kwU

Issa Grills Attorney General Holder on Operation Fast and Furious
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4NqH88cSBqI

Obstruction Of Justice: Does The Justice Dept Have To Respond To A Congressional Subpoena?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_VXa0wcqVBw

Who in Justice Department is Responsible for Operation Fast and Furious?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rsI85G-1fb0

“Operation Fast and Furious”: Reckless Decisions, Tragic
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9cYeIswLQms

***One of the whistleblower’s- ATF Agent Vince Cefalu, (testifying in the video below has been fired since the hearng.***
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/06/27/

“Operation Fast and Furious: Reckless Decisions, Tragic Outcomes.” Panel 2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MLcNw1HV_tg&NR=1


50 posted on 09/28/2011 4:24:35 PM PDT by Dubya-M-DeesWent2SyriaStupid! (Rock you like a hermancain!)
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