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Energy Department approves $737 million solar loan guarantee
The Hill ^ | September 28, 2011 | Andrew Restuccia

Posted on 09/28/2011 9:40:09 AM PDT by maggief

The Energy Department announced Wednesday that is has finalized a $737 million loan guarantee for a Nevada solar project.

The decision comes several weeks after a California-based solar manufacturer that received a $535 million loan guarantee from the Obama administration in 2009 filed for bankruptcy and laid off 1,100 workers, setting off a firestorm in Washington.

The $737 million loan guarantee will help finance construction of the Crescent Dunes Solar Energy Project, a 110-megawatt solar-power-generating facility in Nye County, Nev. The project is sponsored by Tonopah Solar, a subsidiary of California-based SolarReserve.

Crescent Dunes is the latest solar project to receive a loan guarantee from the Energy Department in recent weeks. The department announced a $1.2 billion loan guarantee to Abengoa Solar for a solar generation project in California and a $150 million loan guarantee to 1366 Technologies for a Massachusetts solar manufacturing project earlier this month.

The Energy Department says the project will result in 600 construction jobs and 45 permanent jobs.

(Excerpt) Read more at thehill.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: corruption; cronysocialism; cultureofcorruption; democrats; envirogate; fascism; fraud; green; greencorruption; greenenergy; greengate; loans; porkulus; reid; solar; solargate; solyndragate; thegreenlie

1 posted on 09/28/2011 9:40:10 AM PDT by maggief
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To: All

http://www.solarreserve.com/aboutUs.html

Investment Partners:

US Renewables Group

Good Energies

Citigroup

PCG Clean Energy & Technology Fund (East) LLC

(http://www.pcgfunds.com/people.html

Christopher Bower
Founder/Chairman/CEO

...

Ronald Pelosi

Mr. Pelosi brings to PCG Asset Management a distinguished career in business and public service. He has an extensive background in the securities industry, mutual funds, and private equity. He is an accomplished Financial Industry Regulatory Authority (FINRA) mediator, and has served in a number of positions as a public official.

Mr. Pelosi is the President of Trenholm Associates, a consulting firm offering specialized services to companies in the financial industry. His investment firm experience includes: Senior Advisor, ReFlow Management; President, Forward Funds, diversified mutual fund group; President, Webster Investment Management Company; President, Longwood Co., member firm, NASD; Representative, Dean Witter & Company, and, Hambrecht & Quist; Board of Trustees, Pacific Corporate Group Private Equity Fund. In addition, he was a Partner of Korn/Ferry International, an executive search firm.

Presently, he serves on FINRA’s national panel of mediators. Formerly, he was on the arbitration/mediation panels of the New York, American, and Pacific Coast Stock Exchanges. He was also on the American Arbitration Association roster of arbitrators.

His record of public service includes: President of the San Francisco Board of Supervisors; President of the San Francisco City Planning Commission; Chairman of the Board, San Francisco Employees’ Retirement System; Board of Directors, Golden Gate Highway and Transportation District, Association of Bay Area Governments, and the League of California Cities. He is currently a standing guest lecturer on Mediation for Dispute Resolution at Stanford University.

Mr. Pelosi holds a BA from Stanford University in American History.

...)

Nazarian Enterprises

CalPERS Clean Energy and Technology Fund

Argonaut Private Equity

Credit Suisse

//

http://www.privcap.com/snowsnotes/2011/04/how-did-nancy-pelosi%E2%80%99s-brother-in-law-become-no-2-at-pcg/

How Did Nancy Pelosi’s Brother-in-Law Become No. 2 at PCG?


2 posted on 09/28/2011 9:40:56 AM PDT by maggief
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To: maggief

The Green racket in full swing.

Almost a billion dollars for 110 megawatts.


3 posted on 09/28/2011 9:43:59 AM PDT by headstamp 2 (Time to move forward not to the center.)
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To: maggief

Institutionalized corruption


4 posted on 09/28/2011 9:44:59 AM PDT by Hoodat (Because they do not change, Therefore they do not fear God. -Psalm 55:19-)
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To: maggief

Any words that are not profanity, fail. -shakes head-


5 posted on 09/28/2011 9:46:30 AM PDT by Gator113 (Palin 2012, period.....)
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To: steelyourfaith

AGW ping?


6 posted on 09/28/2011 9:46:49 AM PDT by Amagi (You can't discuss Camelot without mentioning Squire Ted & the Lady in the Lake.)
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To: maggief

Stop this theft of Chinese money!

Where is our new congressthings?


7 posted on 09/28/2011 9:50:59 AM PDT by IbJensen (No man's life, liberty, or property is safe while the legislature is in session.)
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To: maggief

How Did Nancy Pelosi’s Brother-in-Law Become No. 2 at PCG?

The swamp monster needs to clean her own swamp! Outrageous! I am picturing how Nance would look in neon orange.


8 posted on 09/28/2011 9:51:20 AM PDT by Bitsy (!)
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To: maggief

Hmmmmmm, I wonder how much of a “cut” Harry Reid got?


9 posted on 09/28/2011 9:54:06 AM PDT by Parley Baer
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To: maggief
Not since Caligula made a senator of his horse has the world seen such effrontery.


10 posted on 09/28/2011 9:54:12 AM PDT by nathanbedford ("Attack, repeat, attack!" Bull Halsey)
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To: headstamp 2

110 MW is a piss ant of a power plant, read below....

let’s say you went really big, and you created a solar array somewhere in the U.S. the size of five hundred football fields (roughly a square mile). How much power would you get? The answer is roughly 150 MW, and only during the day when the sun is out. A typical power plant produces about 750 MW. So supplanting one power plant would require five square miles of panels. This is not compelling.
Supplanting our entire electrical supply with solar would require turning the entire state of South Carolina into one large solar panel. Or...maybe we should stick them out in the desert. Seems logical. Senator Feinstein has proposed paneling over 500,000 acres of the Mojave Desert. But again, we run into mundane practical problems, even before considering things like the environmental impact of covering that much land. When solar panels collect dust and grime, they lose much of their effectiveness, so they must be cleaned frequently. Where, exactly, are we going to get the water needed for cleaning in the middle of the desert? And who’s going to be out there wiping down 500,000 acres of panels?


11 posted on 09/28/2011 9:57:47 AM PDT by Recon Dad ( I'm not a vegetarian, but I eat animals who are”)
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To: maggief

This is insane.


12 posted on 09/28/2011 9:59:57 AM PDT by bossmechanic (If all else fails, hit it with a hammer)
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To: Recon Dad

” And who’s going to be out there wiping down 500,000 acres of panels? “

Probably one of those ‘jobs Americans won’t do’.....


13 posted on 09/28/2011 10:01:07 AM PDT by Uncle Ike (Rope is cheap, and there are lots of trees...)
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To: maggief

Tagging this later on can perhaps bring about a permanent end of the Energy Dept, which is a waste of resources.


14 posted on 09/28/2011 10:01:26 AM PDT by bestintxas (Somewhere in Kenya, a Village is missing its Idiot.)
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To: Recon Dad
I'd suggest buying stock in the company that makes these...


15 posted on 09/28/2011 10:10:04 AM PDT by SZonian (July 27, 2010. Life begins anew.)
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To: maggief

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16 posted on 09/28/2011 10:10:33 AM PDT by PMAS
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To: bossmechanic

It’s criminal...


17 posted on 09/28/2011 10:11:17 AM PDT by SZonian (July 27, 2010. Life begins anew.)
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To: Parley Baer

http://reid.senate.gov/newsroom/pr_122209_solarreserve.cfm

Reid Statement On Job Creating Power Contract Between NV Energy And SolarReserve

New solar energy facility to be built in Nye County, bringing jobs to rural Nevada

December 22, 2009

Washington, D.C.—Nevada Senator Harry Reid made the following statement after NV Energy announced a 25 year agreement with SolarReserve to construct a new solar energy facility with innovative energy storage that will create up to 450 construction jobs, 45 permanent operations jobs, and 4,000 indirect jobs, while producing enough electricity to power 75,000 homes during peak electricity periods:

“This is a major jobs announcement for rural Nevada, Reid said.” “When the U.S. Air Force expressed reservations about the construction of this facility, and the project seemed dead, I contacted Defense Secretary Robert Gates to discuss how we could figure out a way to get this done for our state without interfering with the critical military training and testing activities at the Nellis Air Force Range.” “I’m pleased that we were able to work together to ensure that this state-of-the-art solar facility will be built in Nye County, bringing nearly 500 construction and permanent jobs and up to 4,000 indirect jobs to rural Nevada, as we make Nevada the nation’s clean energy leader.”


18 posted on 09/28/2011 10:12:20 AM PDT by maggief
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To: headstamp 2
“The Green racket in full swing.

Almost a billion dollars for 110 megawatts”

They have other green energy subsidies and the above market power purchase agreement with NV Energy and they still can't get anyone to finance the project.

The taxpayers have to put up $737 million. But wait, there are supposedly 45 permanent jobs created. Even if this number is true (it is probably inflated) it is still $16.4 million per job just for the loan guarantee.

19 posted on 09/28/2011 10:24:25 AM PDT by detective
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To: Recon Dad
“who’s going to be out there wiping down 500,000 acres of panels?”

Solar energy (and all the green energy fraud) is not economically practical. It only exists because it allows politicians a way to take billions of dollars from taxpayers and give it to their friends, relatives and supporters.

I do like your solar panel example. I imagine hundreds of thousands of Democrats out there each day with no water trying to wipe them down. Now that's a green jobs program.

20 posted on 09/28/2011 10:38:18 AM PDT by detective
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To: maggief

>>>The Energy Department announced Wednesday that is has finalized a $737 million loan guarantee for a Nevada solar project.

How does this work? How is it funded?

If/when this project goes belly up, the funds from the US gov must flow to the lenders on this project. How does that get approved by the House? If it’s later, then shouldn’t these projects be included in the current spending plans? How can the Executive branch go and spend 3/4 of a trillion dollars without Congressional approval.

This is just mind-boggling.


21 posted on 09/28/2011 10:45:44 AM PDT by Hop A Long Cassidy
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To: Recon Dad

Agreed. Two things still need to happen for solar to take off. Costs still have to come significantly, and some of the technologies for integrating solar into conventional building materials need to pan out.

Costs have come down steadily, just not enough, and I gather that there is a growing legitimate market for off-grid applications. No one would be happier than I if the lab guys produced a silver bullet, but we’re not there yet.


22 posted on 09/28/2011 10:48:43 AM PDT by sphinx
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To: SZonian

23 posted on 09/28/2011 10:51:57 AM PDT by WOBBLY BOB (See ya later, debt inflator ! Gone in 4 (2012))
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To: Hop A Long Cassidy

Doing the math, we have $15-million to the Chinese for the panels, a few million for the transmission lines, and 720-million in “professional fees”.


24 posted on 09/28/2011 11:00:48 AM PDT by radioone ("2012 can't come soon enough")
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To: sphinx

I don’t have a problem with solar and possibly some day with improvements in battery tech and lower costs it will be viable. What I have a problem with is our government giving away our money in the form of loans to their friends and then forcing a woefully deficient technology down our throats and charging us for it in increased costs from power companies.
If solar is going to make it find venture capitalist to fund it for profit.

There’s around 800MW of total Nameplate Capacity for all Solar Power in the US, around as much as for one medium sized coal fired plant. If all those Solar Plants produced at their maximum, which by the way means that a way has to be found to make the Sun shine for all night as well as all day, then they could deliver around 600Million KWH of power. They actually delivered 143 million KWH of power to the grids they are connected to. This gives them a power delivery efficiency of 23.8%, effectively meaning they too can only deliver their power for around 6 hours of each day. The rolling 6 month percentage only comes in at 13.1%, or around 3 hours a day.
Again, no Power Authority in its right mind would rely on Solar Power to make up part of the power they need, and anyway, it’s such a monumentally tiny amount that it’s not even looked at, let alone taken into consideration.
I compared all these Solar plants to one medium sized coal fired plant. This coal fired plant would have delivered 576 Million KWH, or just over four times as much power, That same coal fired plant would have delivered the same power as all those Solar Plants by 11AM on the 7th of June, or in just under seven and a half days.


25 posted on 09/28/2011 11:09:15 AM PDT by Recon Dad ( I'm not a vegetarian, but I eat animals who are”)
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To: Recon Dad
Look at Solar Power : http://www.eia.doe.gov/cneaf/electricity/epm/table1_1_a.html Even with all the advances made in Solar Power in the last few years consumption of power from Solar generated sources actually fell, but then, who would really notice. This total amount of power produced from both solar sources amounts to 733 Million KWH, or 0.02% of the total power consumed in the U.S. To put that into some context, this is the same amount of power produced from ONE coal or nuclear plant every FIFTEEN DAYS. That is for every solar power plant in the Country. Solar power is currently delivering its power at the efficiency rate of around 12 to 15% at the absolute best, or around 3 hours a day. Try as you might it’s no point filling up the Deserts in the South West and in Texas with solar panels or mirrors, because there is no way you can then transmit that power the vast distances to where it is needed the most, in the North East. How much power would have been produced over the last few months of snow and blizzards in that North East? Zero. In fact, building them in the North East will never happen because of that. Are you happy with those figures from Solar power?

Add the solar to the wind, and the total still only comes to 1.62%. Almost nothing.

These renewable plants are in the vicinity of five to seven times more expensive to get to the power delivery stage than for any other plant. They are more maintenance intensive and they only last for a third to half the time as for a large coal or nuclear plant.

All that aside, that power delivery rate of only 20% at the absolute best should be enough to convince you that these things are next to useless. The only way they can even get off the ground is with the injection of huge amounts of money in the form of Government subsidies. The only thing that they can absolutely ensure is that the cost of electricity to the end consumer will be much more expensive.

This is one great big turkey that is never going to fly, no matter how much money you throw at it.

Taking into account that 20% power delivery rate, that means you will just have to rely on getting the required power for the remainder of the time from those other sources, so in all reality, the construction of these wind plants and solar plants at an alarmingly ever increasing rate will not really result in the saving of all that much in the way of Carbon Dioxide emissions anyway, as those coal fired plants will have to stay running to provide power for the bulk of the time these so called renewable plants are just not even working at all.

26 posted on 09/28/2011 11:22:34 AM PDT by WOBBLY BOB (See ya later, debt inflator ! Gone in 4 (2012))
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To: SZonian

The only way to make it more of a boondoggle would be to put the solar arrays on a high speed train run by the postal service.


27 posted on 09/28/2011 11:30:06 AM PDT by WOBBLY BOB (See ya later, debt inflator ! Gone in 4 (2012))
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To: WOBBLY BOB

Wobbly Bob, you are a man after my own heart. Below are figures that pretty much spell it out...

Clean and green, the energy system we aspire to, is subsidized like no other energy source in history. By whom? Us, and our progeny. All energy has historically received some type of public support to even out the volatility of high and low price cycles. The Energy Information Agency of the U.S. government’s Department of Energy reports that, for 2008, natural gas was subsidized 25 cents per megawatt hour of electricity produced, coal received 44 cents per megawatt hour, nuclear $1.59. Oil was not reported in these numbers since oil is hardly a factor in electricity production. However, oil benefits from a variety of tax subsidies for dry well expenses and royalty holidays dating from the $10-a-barrel oil days of the late 1990s, which the administration promises to rescind. At the same time in the same year, wind energy received public subsidy of $23.37 per megawatt hour; solar energy received $24.34. These numbers do not include the additional subsidies we taxpayers have been compelled to pay for wind, solar and biofuels through the stimulus plan, the 2010 budget and the 2011 framework budget. These subsidies help support 2 percent of today’s energy system. Their proponents promise to double and double again the amounts of subsidized supply from clean and green with no commitment to ending subsidies. That’s not a new energy system.


28 posted on 09/28/2011 11:30:22 AM PDT by Recon Dad ( I'm not a vegetarian, but I eat animals who are”)
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To: Recon Dad
But again, we run into mundane practical problems, even before considering things like the environmental impact of covering that much land. When solar panels collect dust and grime, they lose much of their effectiveness, so they must be cleaned frequently. Where, exactly, are we going to get the water needed for cleaning in the middle of the desert?

A power plant is an engine that follows the laws of thermodynamics. Think of it like a hydroelectric dam. You dam up a river and backup water to get a "head" (higher elevation) of the water level. You allow the elevated water to pass through a turbine, extracting energy to drive a generator, converting the energy of the river flow to electrical energy. The water is then released to the environment (clearly, if not released the turbine would not spin!).

In a thermal plant you use a source of heat (concentrated sunlight, coal, uranium, it matters not what you pick) to boil water. As you add heat to the water it's temperature rises like the water behind the dam, increasing it's potential energy. Once it has turned to steam you can add still more thermal energy by superheating it, raising it's temperature. You then allow the superheated steam to pass through a turbine which drives a generator producing electricity from the heat flowing through the process (like the water in a hydroelectric station). The steam is then condensed back to liquid water (rejecting heat) and then recycled back through the boiler in a closed loop, to prevent corrosion of the internal parts of the boiler. The water in the closed loop must be as close to pure as possible, that is why it is not simply exhausted to the environment. To condense the steam back to water so that it may be returned to the boiler, it is necessary to reject heat by passing it through a condenser. The condenser must be cooled to remove the heat and your choices are air cooling or water cooling.

The analogy with a hydroelectric dam is now complete, with heat flowing from a high energy state to a lower state with the energy removed from the process converted to electricity. Like a hydro station it is necessary for a thermal station to reject the working fluid (water or heat) back to the environment else the process stops.

The problem now becomes how to dissipate the rejected heat in a desert environment. Water is scarce and air cooling does not lend itself to large installations as the radiating surfaces could become larger then the rest of the plant.

Regards,
GtG

29 posted on 09/28/2011 11:55:14 AM PDT by Gandalf_The_Gray (I live in my own little world, I like it 'cuz they know me here.)
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To: WOBBLY BOB

LOL!

Gonna need a much bigger shamwow at the rate that clown is going.


30 posted on 09/28/2011 12:00:32 PM PDT by SZonian (July 27, 2010. Life begins anew.)
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To: Amagi; Tunehead54; golux; tubebender; Fractal Trader; Genesis defender; 4horses+amule; Carlucci; ...
Thanx for the ping amagi !

 


Beam me to Planet Gore !

31 posted on 09/28/2011 12:03:26 PM PDT by steelyourfaith (If it's "green" ... it's crap !!!)
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To: WOBBLY BOB
Stop! You're killing me.

This is the mental image I got...


32 posted on 09/28/2011 12:07:17 PM PDT by SZonian (July 27, 2010. Life begins anew.)
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To: WOBBLY BOB; Recon Dad
List of built, under construction, and planned thermal solar plants
33 posted on 09/28/2011 2:09:40 PM PDT by Ben Ficklin
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To: Bitsy

Martha did time for a whole lot less.


34 posted on 09/29/2011 3:22:01 PM PDT by jersey117
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